The backlash against Indians/south Asians is huge here in Canada as well. The US calls it H-1B visas we call them the temporary foreign worker program. Many blame Indians but we should be blaming the governments/companies using the program for not only exploiting foreign workers but also taking jobs away from people in North America (when times are already tough ) blaming a certain “race” is just using them as a scapegoat
dontKair on
There’s more corporate hate than Indian hate from what I’ve seen. Too many companies have gamed and abused the H1-B system.
Not to mention all the new grads now that are struggling to find work. Companies will go through more effort to bring in H1-B’s (that have to be trained anyways), than cultivating local talent.
SMO96- on
India has like, 1 billion people in it, a significant amount that want to immigrate out to a western country. The truth is Indians are overwhelming every western immigration system. There are enough Indians that they could replace the populations of Australia, Canada, Europe, and the USA, and STILL have about 300 million at home. At a certain point the choice becomes stop allowing Indians into your country, or you just become India.
The western world cannot absorb the entirety of the third world and expect to maintain its current quality of life, culture, and identity.
Boring-Category3368 on
The nativist economic illiteracy has to stop.
No, your job was not “taken away” from you by a foreigner. No, deporting all those brown people will not improve your material conditions. In fact, it’ll probably make you worse off. There is not a fixed lump of labor that is divided between natives and foreigners, and it is evident that immigration is a net good for society.
You may not like it. You may think this is all liberal propaganda but it’s just economic reality. Economics doesn’t have to fit within your bs nativist worldview
CyberSmith31337 on
There’s a lot of differing opinions on the root causes of the dislike, but in my opinion, it has to do with 2 main aspects.
The first is that the caste system seems to reinforce money at all costs. On paper, this would seem to be completely compatible with American culture. But what people don’t realize is that Indians ability and willingness to exploit, intimidate, and threaten others is considered pretty extreme by the average American. The way I have personally seen Indian managers, specifically in tech, talk to other workers is utterly unacceptable. This behavior is normalized in India, likely because managers there who work for American companies are seen as such disposable commodities that they are merely emulating what they experienced at some point. But it creates a vicious cycle, one that when people who aren’t Indian experience it here domestically, is completely unwelcome.
The second is the money-obsessiveness combined with the willingness to cut corners to save money. I think of companies like HCLTech, a service desk center who routinely under-bid for service contracts, and then proceed to fail every SLA while also considering the penalties the cost of business. Basically, they use underhanded tactics to ensure that they are awarded the work, then proceed to offshore the work as quickly as possible, do a significantly worse job while paying their staff peanuts, and hoard the majority of the contract’s payout. Another company that comes to mind is Pole to Win/Side Studios; they take contracts from major American companies like Microsoft, and then immediately outsource the labor to regions in India and Brazil and other exploitable regions, pay the people nothing, and treat everyone like shit. All while pocketing all the money and providing a substantially worse quality offering.
Ultimately, the worst aspects of capitalism are most visible through Indians, who have had to endure hyper-versions of capitalism. They then adapt the worst attitudes, behaviors, and practices, and present them as the standard, which believe is offputting to the average westerner, who doesn’t realize that this *was* the standard that they themselves had to endure to even get here.
Tl;dr: The hate for Indians exists because capitalism’s exploitative nature combined with cultural incompatibilities is most visible in the west.
SuperannuationLawyer on
I can’t believe that the FT is using comments on social media as a measure of so called “anti-Indian hate.” They seem to have focused on a single post relation to a horrible incident.
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The backlash against Indians/south Asians is huge here in Canada as well. The US calls it H-1B visas we call them the temporary foreign worker program. Many blame Indians but we should be blaming the governments/companies using the program for not only exploiting foreign workers but also taking jobs away from people in North America (when times are already tough ) blaming a certain “race” is just using them as a scapegoat
There’s more corporate hate than Indian hate from what I’ve seen. Too many companies have gamed and abused the H1-B system.
Not to mention all the new grads now that are struggling to find work. Companies will go through more effort to bring in H1-B’s (that have to be trained anyways), than cultivating local talent.
India has like, 1 billion people in it, a significant amount that want to immigrate out to a western country. The truth is Indians are overwhelming every western immigration system. There are enough Indians that they could replace the populations of Australia, Canada, Europe, and the USA, and STILL have about 300 million at home. At a certain point the choice becomes stop allowing Indians into your country, or you just become India.
The western world cannot absorb the entirety of the third world and expect to maintain its current quality of life, culture, and identity.
The nativist economic illiteracy has to stop.
No, your job was not “taken away” from you by a foreigner. No, deporting all those brown people will not improve your material conditions. In fact, it’ll probably make you worse off. There is not a fixed lump of labor that is divided between natives and foreigners, and it is evident that immigration is a net good for society.
You may not like it. You may think this is all liberal propaganda but it’s just economic reality. Economics doesn’t have to fit within your bs nativist worldview
There’s a lot of differing opinions on the root causes of the dislike, but in my opinion, it has to do with 2 main aspects.
The first is that the caste system seems to reinforce money at all costs. On paper, this would seem to be completely compatible with American culture. But what people don’t realize is that Indians ability and willingness to exploit, intimidate, and threaten others is considered pretty extreme by the average American. The way I have personally seen Indian managers, specifically in tech, talk to other workers is utterly unacceptable. This behavior is normalized in India, likely because managers there who work for American companies are seen as such disposable commodities that they are merely emulating what they experienced at some point. But it creates a vicious cycle, one that when people who aren’t Indian experience it here domestically, is completely unwelcome.
The second is the money-obsessiveness combined with the willingness to cut corners to save money. I think of companies like HCLTech, a service desk center who routinely under-bid for service contracts, and then proceed to fail every SLA while also considering the penalties the cost of business. Basically, they use underhanded tactics to ensure that they are awarded the work, then proceed to offshore the work as quickly as possible, do a significantly worse job while paying their staff peanuts, and hoard the majority of the contract’s payout. Another company that comes to mind is Pole to Win/Side Studios; they take contracts from major American companies like Microsoft, and then immediately outsource the labor to regions in India and Brazil and other exploitable regions, pay the people nothing, and treat everyone like shit. All while pocketing all the money and providing a substantially worse quality offering.
Ultimately, the worst aspects of capitalism are most visible through Indians, who have had to endure hyper-versions of capitalism. They then adapt the worst attitudes, behaviors, and practices, and present them as the standard, which believe is offputting to the average westerner, who doesn’t realize that this *was* the standard that they themselves had to endure to even get here.
Tl;dr: The hate for Indians exists because capitalism’s exploitative nature combined with cultural incompatibilities is most visible in the west.
I can’t believe that the FT is using comments on social media as a measure of so called “anti-Indian hate.” They seem to have focused on a single post relation to a horrible incident.