How do you guys handle massive losses? Especially mentally? What was your biggest trading blunder?
My story –
About 4 years ago I lost nearly my entire life savings trying to day trade. This was about 4 years ago. For reference, I’m 26, male.
I want to give some context quick on how I got to this point. Heads up, I know how dumb and foolish I was. I have no doubt most of you will roast me for this. I deserve it haha.
2022, at 22 years old I decided it would be a great idea to quit my well paying full time job and liquidate my 401k to day trade full time. I made a quick $12k on a penny stock earlier that year and I thought I was the next Warren buffet. So I decided I’d quit my job, pay the fees and taxes to pull out my 401k which netted me about $24k all said and done. Right after that, I also decided to sell my home which I bought in 2019 and made about $40k.
I had no real plan and no understanding of fundamentals or chart reading. I simply thought if I bought enough books, watched enough YouTube videos and held options long enough, then they would certainly amount to a profit. Well, in about 3 months I nearly cut my account in half. Every time I’d enter a trade, I’d enter in massive amounts of my portfolio. Nearly 50% on calls or puts and as soon as the trade would slightly go against me I’d get scared and sell. Then watch the price move in favor if I had just held. I’d get FOMO, regret, and enter again hoping to make back my losses. I’d trade all the major Wall Street bets hype, blue chip stocks, and spy yolo’s.
Eventually, I took a big loss and broke below 25k and got hit with a PDT violation and my account got restricted. By that point my account was sitting at about 17k and I decided that I was done.
To make matters worse, I never factored in for wash sales or planned for taxes. Just went in head first hoping it would all magically work out. Come tax time, I owed nearly 6k.
I spent the rest of my account just for living expenses while finding a new job. Nearly everyday I wanted the throw up with how utterly disgusted I was with myself.
Fast forward to present day, I’ve taken the time to learn market fundamentals and also paper trade and back test strategies before trading my actual cash. Last year I started with a cash balance of $10k and as of today, I’m sitting at about $43k.
The money I trade is money I could afford to lose. I ensure I have enough for living expenses and emergencies plus a few months of expenses in savings which are in a high yield account.
My strategy now is where I strictly trade low delta credit spreads and condors that are skewed based on market regime and trend. I only trade indexes. Primarily SPX for the tax advantages. My strategy is 30-35 DTE credit spreads that aim to sell into IV spike to capitalize off IV crush to help theta. I close the spreads at 21DTE and never risk more than 15% of my account (total cash collateral) and have my stop loss set at 50% of the credit collected. In low Vix regimes, I just increase my delta risk (not always if the risk to reward is decent) or lower my DTE for faster theta decay.
I also hedge my positions if I think one side could get pressed by using debit spreads. This has made a HUGE difference with risk management and my PnL curve. I’ve only had a few loses and they were pretty manageable due to my hedges and risk management rules.
To this day, I can’t help but be absolutely disgusted with myself for losing such a massive amount of money when I was younger. Not a day goes by where I don’t think, “wow, I wonder where I could have been if I had just used proper risk management and took the time to learn trading first”. Unfortunately, it was an expensive lesson for me.
I lost my life savings of $64k Day trading
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Posted by Fickle_Razzmatazz258
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Lol what a regard
i lost 20k once on a dumb meme stock and it felt real bad. was about 5% of my port tho. but still felt terrible. i think about it everyday
well you are still young so nothing you can do but keep trying
I lost around 100k a couple years ago. I somehow have managed to bury the emotions and just ignore it, but deep down I’m dying
Should have went to the strip club.
It may have been an expensive lesson, but at least it sounds like it’s one you learned.
If losing 64k in your early twenties is one of your biggest regrets in life, you will have lived an incredibly blessed life.
TLDR…….blah, blah, blah blah blah
As the person you were before, even if you’d made 2 million you would’ve blown it this same way. No point in thinking about “what-ifs.”
Unless you’re homeless or starving or missing bills not much to worry about. You would’ve crashed the potential lambo by now.
Edit: I’m 25 and recently lost pretty much 25k. When I had it I didn’t give a fuck about it but now I have 1.5k and I’m wishing I had just put it in SCHD or something. But the version of myself from a week ago would’ve never done that. Next time I have 25k I’ll do better. If instead of losing that 25k I had made 25million I would’ve blown it and ruined my life because I was a moron.
This is how lessons are learned and the only people who will try to make fun of you here and people who’ve lost even more and never got over it.
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This can all be extremely addicting and the result can be incomprehensible demoralization as you describe. You might check into 12 step program to help you move through this. They can be very beneficial in many ways. Good luck to you.
Cocaine is my coping tool. Works fuckin great
Hardest lesson to learn, you’ve learned already. Good luck
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How the hell did you buy a house at 19 years old
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gambling addict thinks they’ve found the secret to never losing money again
You were gambling and blew all your money
I dont understand how you owed taxes when you lost money
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Yah man we’re all regarded here. What made you think you deserved your own post?
Lost 150k of personal loans all the way down to 9k, back up to 300k, and then back to 200k and withdraw before I killed myself. All within the last couple of months
That is gay.
Rookie mistake. If only you gambled 69K you’d have 420K now. Numbers are everything!
As someone who has won a nice chunk, and then lost repeatedly for many many years, here is my two cents.
Don’t trade unhedged/directional options, don’t trade penny stocks. The slope is slick, and sunk cost fallacy/compounding avg down stupidity on dumb plays is very very real. Everyone is disciplined until they’re not.
You will be wrong often, we are human.
I guarantee when you squirrel up some cash and put it in your savings/a pile/under your mattress, it will feel better than it did the first time. You know now how easily things go the wrong way, you know now again how important food and water and rent are in a raw way. Be responsible, diversify. Find a financial advisor that you trust, interview a bunch of them, and hold them to account. Be the annoying client, annoy them with your dd, but let them temper your ideas with real market mechanic insight.
I’m sorry brodie, I too have lost it all many times, I’m a fucking regard. Gambling is an addiction, admit you have a problem, and learn to keep your saved money at just the right distance, not too far/not too wrapped up, but not too liquid/not too easy to access.
You will live brethren, keep your head down and pay for your mistakes. When you come out on the other end, you will be grateful for the lesson, or you will hate yourself for not having learned it.
Cheers.
I shorted nvidia in 2022 for 400k premium and went to zero. You’ll be fine. Stop crying.
Good news is you were just as poor then as you are now. Try maxing your 401k and budgeting.
If you’re looking for actual sympathy and advice, this is not the sub for it. Sorry to hear what you’re going through
You belong here, looking forward to your post at 30 explaining how you lost $640k
You bought a house in 2019? So you bought a house when you were like 18-19 kind acrazy
Bought a stock. Biotech. 8x. Made about 270k. Life changing. Hubris inducing.
Spent lots of it on a rental property and moving to nice new home. 100k left. Biotech stock has dropped 60%. Reinvest every penny.
Six years later, of that 100k, just 13k remains. Also, turns out I fucked my taxes and had to pay, after interest and penalties, nearly 70k to the tax man. If I had paid someone to do my taxes, and just stashed the win in an index fund, I would be approximately 250k richer today- accounting for six years of growth.
I deal with it by learning from my mistake and not repeating it.