I have suffered from a chronic illness for the past 5+ years and was unemployed. my money came from the stock market, it still does. Because I live in a frugal way, only paying enough for absolute necessities (Rent, utilities, basic needs), my tax returns over the past years aren't wowing.
The thing is, in assets (Stocks) I have over 7 figures. For most of these places, I can afford 40 years worth of rent up front. I don't know how else to put it. It's confidence killing, honestly. "Uh… you're unemployed?". That's the response. "This is a very unconventional application".
We could literally experience a nuclear war and I'd still never miss a rent payment. Liquidity is not an issue. I have no record, etc.
I get it. I understand that it's unconventional, that they have a system to abide by – but there's really nothing else wrong with me? Never missed a rent payment, things like that.
I do not want to buy a house because it reduces my capital by such a significant amount. Renting is way better for me right now.
Is there any way I can fix this? When addressing the realtors / landlords – I am courteous, direct, and let them know that payment is not a problem. Sometimes even offering a few months up front if they need it. Doesn't seem to move the needle much.
Any advice would be helpful. This is very discouraging. Again, it's clear the income should be the minimum, but it's not my position now. There's not much I can do.
Being treated like a pariah when applying for rentals despite having a decent net worth?
byu/No_Departure7494 inRealEstate
Posted by No_Departure7494
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Landlords want income. Stocks aren’t income.
Did you show credit score and income from investments?
You need to avoid big corporate landlords.
Find a mom and pop and offer to pay the rental term, say 6 months, in advance.
Or just do Airbnb where all they care about that your credit card is good.
You can offer to share your tax returns and say you live frugally, but if they don’t show your income being 3X the rent then, it hurts you, not helps you.
If I was renting – the new landlord wouldnt care that I own other rentals.. he/she wants to know I have INCOME to cover the rent. If you want to live like a hermit.. maybe just buy a small place instead of renting?
Unemployed? Just say you’re retired. You are. People who are retired have no problems renting.
I’m in the same boat. I think it’s ridiculous that my business partner’s meth addict son who is constantly in rehab can get a lease because he has a job that can’t fire him (even though he’s in rehab more than he’s working). My credit score is perfect, my assets are substantial, but because I had been living with my mother as her carer for the last five years and previously owned a house (no rental history) and am now medically retired, I can’t get a legitimate lease.
I finally found a short term rental that was willing to convert to longer term on a month to month basis because we got along so well. Hoping it will be enough “rental history” when it’s time to move on.
I’m a landlord. I have a number of tenants who are retired and living on their investments the same as you.
When I have a house for rent, all I want is a singular tenant and I am obligated to follow the laws and not discriminate. What this means is that it’s much easier to look at applicants who are all pretty much the same. We look for a certain credit score, rental history, income. I’m more or less willing to disregard one of those three things if there’s a valid reason, but not more than one. For instance, I’m happy to rent to someone with no rental history because they’ve owned their own house and are selling. I can verify that so it’s fine.
If you are getting paid out in dividends then you should be filing taxes on that money as it is seen as income. If you can show years of income then they shouldn’t have any issues.
Find a place and say you’ll pays 6 months in advance or give them the last few months rent.
Can’t you just pay the year’s rent up front?
Start saying you’re disabled; do not say unemployed. Show your funds. They can’t discriminate against you for a disability.
So I don’t get your aversion to homebuying as a “reduction in capital”. Are you unable to qualify for a mortgage with an affordable monthly payment that meets similar payment rates? Your down payment should not be impacting your assets as much as you’re afraid of.
Let me put it this way – Because the typical applicant like you is a total trust fund brat or wastrel that can’t act responsibly in a rental. Say retired.
Offer to pay a year up front. Ask what other forms of verification they would need because you’re retired. They may ask for a recent statement of your checking or something to verify assets.
Why not buy a place? If what you are saying is accurate you could easily pay cash for a suitable house or condo. Or at least put down a large down payment and pay the mortgage. Why are you intent on renting if you are sitting a a pile of cash? That is a bit suspicious in itself.
It’s less legible as income than a regular old paycheck is. That’s why. There can be a lot more going on behind the scenes of your net worth.
Your not unemployed, you retired an an early age.
I offer to pay the lease in full and I have high credit.
Works for most places.
Honestly approach it differently. Say you are semi- retired and live off of investments. Then show proof of funds. A year end bank statement showing deposits should be good enough. Or redacted prior tax form. I wouldn’t pay rent in advance but offer a larger deposit. Showing you have a year’s rent in high yield savings might be better than stocks for showing liquidity.
Paid guarantor might help along with making periodic distribution into a checking account making it look like annuity payments perhaps?
You need to get way more creative with your application. Say you are a philanthropist, “working on a novel”, literally anything. Say you will pay them a year in advance immediately. You can also download a paystub sheet and input any information you want. I’ve never had any apartment ask for a tax return, try less mega corp and more small companies. Tell them what they want to hear, and then pay them, it’s not hard. Personally I wouldn’t show any bank accounts with huge amounts of money, could set you up as a target.
I’m a landlord, show me your brokerage statement with a 1099-Div or 1099-B showing up on your tax return and that you have cashflow and I’ll gladly consider your application even if you don’t work.
I think landlords are savvy enough to figure this out. Who you’ve been facing are probably some corporate hired “manager” who don’t really know shit
How did you get your money? Thats the million dollar question.
As a landlord, I don’t want a year upfront. If you’re a problematic tenant, it makes it more difficult to evict.
If you daytraded it, great but take a look at wallstreetbets and tell me how you’re different and less risky. A few years history of showing trading to show stability would go a long way.
If you can’t explain it, I’m assuming illegal activity, which I don’t want in my unit.
These are the kinds of questions or thoughts a landlord will have.
Being self-employed is also like this. I always had to move in with existing roommates and then just stay as roommates came and went because nobody would initiate a lease to me as a self employed person. And I was only looking at “mom and pop” units. For some reason, it’s W2 or bust in the housing world. Same in the mortgage world.
You can DM me! My husband and I have rentals and we understand your struggle as we have experienced the same situation (we are in our early 40’s retired and that doesn’t seem to click with people).
A friend of mine got an apt in NYC using some sort of bond company. Similar situation to you – wealth but not traditional income. Don’t know a ton of details but it might be something to look into.