With the market down, I'm thinking this is a good time for a Roth conversion since I would be moving shares over at lower values and letting the recovery happen tax free. Is that solid logic, or are there risks people overlook with this move?
Roth conversion in a market down
byu/stein63 inpersonalfinance
Posted by stein63
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this is a sound idea. just be sure you can cover the tax from non-converted funds.
really, market isnt down all that much. but individual stocks could be…….all depends on what you hold
>Is that solid logic
Not particularly given how little the market is down (not even 4%).
Your actual income in the year will have much more of an impact.
Have you already performed a longer term tax analysis?
Start with whether or not converting to Roth is tax efficient when considering your *lifetime*.
If yes, then converting when balances are smaller is better than converting when balances are bigger.
If no, then not converting is better than converting.
It makes sense, but the market would have to be done a lot more for this strategy to result in any significant tax savings. If the market is down 30-40% off the high, I think that’s when this strategy would actually pay off and that assumes you still have a pretty safe job with a good amount of cash on hand.
It doesn’t directly matter. Either way you pay taxes once and, due to the commutative property of multiplication, the order of operations (timing) of taxes first then growth or growth first then taxes doesn’t matter.
Only the tax rate matters.
Indirectly it could make a small difference in that, if the market were down significantly, you could convert a larger *percentage* of your balance and thus possibly pay a lower tax rate over your lifetime. But the market is not down significantly so this effect is likely minimal and also your current income vs. retirement income remain much more important factors.
S&P isn’t even down 6% from ATH as I write this.
The market will not affect this, it is a tax thing. The time to do a Roth conversion would be a year when your normal income is lower than usual so you can do more of the conversion in a lower tax bracket and pay a bit less in taxes.