The COVID-19 inflation episode: Lessons from emerging markets Full

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    so good morning and uh welcome to this
    conference on the postco inflation
    episode in Emerging Markets uh welcome
    to Brookings I’m Jan Maria mes feretti
    I’m a senior f fellow here at Brookings
    at the Hutchin Center on fiscal and
    monetary
    policy and I just literally take your
    couple of minutes of your time just to
    say where this conference was conceived
    or why um we thought about it because
    the debate on the postco inflation
    episode is very often limited to or just
    focused on uh the case of the United
    States which is of course very
    interesting and very consequential for
    what happens in the rest of the world
    but at the same time it is also very
    limited to look just at one country
    given that there was clearly a big
    Global dimension in the inflation
    episode the pickup in inflation was
    really WID spread across countries and
    we thought Emerging Markets are
    particularly interesting uh for a
    variety of reasons uh the first one is
    actually why why Emerging Markets given
    that the policy support
    that most emerging markets were able to
    provide in particular with with fiscal
    policy was more limited than the policy
    support in advanced economies so it was
    harder to think of generalized excess
    demand pressures materializing in
    countries where the push to aggregate
    demand had been less uh strong than the
    one we saw in many advanced
    economies so thinking of what of the
    triggers of uh the episode one factor
    that uh pushes towards thinking of
    inflation in Emerging Markets becoming
    more of a
    problem uh is the importance
    of food and energy in Emerging Markets
    uh inflation baskets so clearly the
    global increase in Energy prices and
    food prices was Central to the inflation
    shock and in emerging economies
    typically these Goods account for larger
    fraction of CPI and hence mechanically
    you would get a bigger inflation uh
    shock so you had two counterveiling
    forces in a sense here um third aspect
    which is of particular interest is the
    policy response which was way swifter in
    many emerging economies some started
    raising rates in the first half of 2021
    well ahead of uh advanced
    economies a fourth aspect was how
    differentiated the increase in inflation
    was inflation Rose everywhere but it was
    clearly a different story in emerging
    Europe and in Latin America uh Visa
    emerging Asia where the initial rise in
    inflation was more
    modest in 2022 we had an additional
    Regional shock uh which was the increase
    in uh gas prices in Europe which had
    dramatic implications for the cost of
    gas and electricity in Europe I don’t
    refer to I say limited to Europe because
    surely there was also an increase in oil
    prices but that is generalized across
    countries the increase in gas prices um
    uh gas being less traded than other
    Commodities given the difficulty in
    shipping it uh was very concentrated in
    uh uh in Europe so we thought that just
    these four points were more than
    sufficient to generate interest for a
    wide- ranging debate uh or a deeper look
    into what happened over the past three
    years this is why we asked uh uh Antonio
    FAS we raet gak and uh Juan Pablo Medina
    to write a piece uh on emerging e on
    emerging Asia on emerging Europe and
    Latin America and uh we’re going to
    start with Antonio who is going to tell
    us why emerging Asia uh was less uh
    burned by the inflation episode than
    other parts of Europe thank you can I
    just mention one housekeeping thing so
    this is on the record it’s being live
    streamed so uh moderate your comments
    accordingly
    for inviting me to to be part of this
    conversation as Jamaria said I think
    we’ve talked too much about the US
    inflation with our understanding how the
    rest of the world looks like now uh uh I
    was trying to figure out why emerging
    Asia was different that’s the focus of
    of my presentation the different part
    why is it different from others now a
    couple of things just to get us started
    first different compared to whom now I’m
    going to do a little bit of everything
    compared to advanced economies compared
    to other Emerging Markets compared to
    similar episodes in Asia in the past
    because I think all these things are
    relevant when we think about different
    to home and then a few things that I had
    to deal with and I’m going to tell you
    in advance of course when I talk about
    Asia I’m going to generalize there
    there’s a few countries that behave very
    differently but I think there a pattern
    I’ll talk a little bit about differences
    but very fast every time I show you
    averages because not always I can show
    you all the countries you’re going to be
    thinking this is dominated by a couple
    of large economies and the answer is yes
    China matters a lot in the averages at
    the same time you’ll see when I separate
    countries that while China is unique
    it’s not that unique there’s a lot of
    similarities between what happens in
    China and the rest whenever it’s
    relevant I’ll get rid of China and show
    you an average without China sometimes I
    will not because it doesn’t make any
    difference now the issue of data is
    always an issue when you try to look at
    many Emerging Markets on low-income
    countries sometimes there’s no data on
    certain variables so my samples will not
    always be the same so be careful always
    check how many countries I have in a
    sample I’ve done my best to try to
    compare similar samples if I ever
    thought that was an issue but there
    going to be an uneven coverage and some
    might be thinking we’re presenting these
    papers too early because the inflation
    episode maybe is not over maybe some
    interesting things are about to happen
    again I we can only speculate on that
    going forward now let me just say
    something really fast about before 2019
    how did we think about inflation in Asia
    and other countries and lots of Papers
    written this is not a comprehensive
    literature review for sure we used to
    think that inflation was dominated by
    global factors increasingly so over time
    so we used to think about global shocks
    of course many of us we’re thinking
    about the Philips curve and any other
    similar Frameworks to think about
    inflation both in advanced econom and in
    Emerging Markets we used to have the
    view that inflation targeting was good
    was good to reduce inflation but also to
    reduce the Persistence of inflation and
    then we lived in an environment where in
    advanced economies we were struggling in
    some cases with below Target inflation
    that was our concern and in emerging
    markets in particular in Asia we had
    seen a really significant structural
    decline in inflation over the last two
    decades and if you look at some of the
    most recent years maybe not the last
    five but the last 10 we had seen a
    little bit of what I would call an
    opportunistic disinflation as commodity
    prices had come down some of the Asian
    economies had seen a significant
    decrease in inflation so you see a nice
    Trend coming into
    2019 now it all of course fell apart in
    2020 like everywhere else inflation
    increased now some very broad statements
    that I’m going to back by data in a
    second inflation increased by a large
    amount in advanced economies not so much
    in emerging markets in fact I would say
    most of these Emerging Markets I would
    say the increase is not that unusual
    unusual compared to previous episodes
    now Asia is to me a little bit of an
    outlier because not only the level of
    inflation was lower but also the
    increase was lower now let me show you a
    few slides I’m going to try to show the
    slides that are more meaningful this is
    a way to compare advanced economies to
    Emerging Markets before I say anything
    about Asia on the left hand side you see
    advanced economies whose inflation was
    high now I’m using 5% as an arbitrary
    number on the right hand side Emerging
    Markets where inflation was high I’m
    using 10% as an arbitrary number and
    this is counting countries I could also
    do a share now you can see in advanced
    economies this looks a lot more
    impressive the last Spike while in
    Emerging Markets you see a spike it is
    smaller than in
    2009 again there’s other ways to show
    you the same outcome thinking about
    average inflation there is a spike but
    it’s not that unusual compared to other
    episodes in Emerging Markets now what if
    we look at Asia in particular if you
    look at the left hand side you see green
    Asia uh you can see this is headline
    inflation I’m starting in the year 2000
    so just looking at more recent data you
    can see a spike around 2021 but that
    spike is quite limited and if I didn’t
    have the other lines it would be hard to
    say there was something really special
    in 2021 it’s is a cycle like some of the
    others in fact more moderate than some
    of the others now if I bring all the
    Emerging Market groups which I do on the
    right hand side now the spikes there
    which have to do with Liars in other
    regions not Asia so I’m not going to
    talk about them in Europe you have
    according to the IMF classification you
    put turkey and Russia so you see a
    spikes there which are driven by large
    countries with very high inflation now
    the line which is Asia in this case I’m
    going to exclude China just so that you
    not think in this all about China you do
    see a little bit of a spike at the end
    but but again it’s quite limited and
    similar to previous spikes that we’ve
    seen in other
    Cycles now what about if you start
    looking at individual countries just in
    case the average is hiding in lots of
    things on the left hand side a few large
    Emerging Markets apologies that is hard
    to put all these colors in a way that is
    easy to see China no inflation at all
    during this episode India is in yellow
    there is a spike of inflation but once
    again similar or lower than in previous
    episodes much bigger spikes if you’re
    sitting in Brazil if you’re sitting in
    Mexico of course if you’re sitting in
    Nigeria or if you’re sitting in Poland
    so these are a few large Emerging
    Markets you see the same pattern across
    regions now a little bit of of sort of
    diversity on the right hand side so this
    is all the Asian economies Emerging
    Market Asia each line is one country and
    the average is dark there is some
    variation to WS the end you see two
    spikes those are Sri Lankan Laos so yes
    if you want to find High inflation in
    Asia you will find it but but it’s a
    little bit the exception not the rule
    and again the average is the same as
    before is quite
    flat now here comes a question that J
    Maria mentioned in his introduction in
    many of these countries food price and
    energy prices are very important uh so
    how did Asia behave in these two sectors
    again they’re very important
    mechanically they’re a high percentage
    of the CPI again you see the same
    pattern as in the headline inflation
    both in food price and energy price Asia
    has the lowest inflation rate and it has
    the lowest jump and it depends how you
    present the data sometimes it’s hard to
    see on the right hand side when you
    compare to Europe of course the scale
    becomes very large but if you just look
    at both green lines on both charts you
    see lines which are very flat in both
    cases so again once again it just the
    same message comes through all these
    slides Asia is a little bit of an lier
    here inflation did increase but
    inflation did not increase that much
    compared to other countries that much
    compared to other similar episodes now
    that was just to give you an overview of
    how I See Asia now the question is why a
    lot of what we going to try to figure
    out today why was it
    different now here I’m going to take
    what I’m going to call the accepted
    framework that we all have today with
    some questions about what led to the
    pandemic inflation or the post pandemic
    inflation now my discussion has a paper
    that was presented here a couple of
    years ago what happened in the US
    there’s tons of paper that have been
    written about this now this is the way I
    read the consensus first the global
    component in this episode is really
    large in fact the book The CPR book that
    just came out and was presented here at
    at the Peterson Institute on Friday says
    is even bigger that Global component is
    even bigger than in previous episodes we
    all agree that Supply shocks whether
    it’s supply chain shortages or Ukraine
    matter a lot to all countries so I’m
    going to start with that assumption and
    then we all understand that cyclical
    conditions were not the same everywhere
    so we had a lot of conversations about
    labor market tightness in the US and of
    course about policies and here I’m going
    to explore uh both policies fiscal and
    monetary when it comes to fiscal I’ll
    say something about conventional fiscal
    policy by that I mean just aggregate
    demand stimulus unconventional by that I
    mean price subsidies trade restrictions
    and then I’ll have to say something
    about monetary policy I’ll talk about
    the interest rate response was it
    different across countries does it fit
    the data and what about something which
    is much harder to measure but I’ll try
    to do something about it what about
    credibility and anchoring of
    expectations did that
    matter now let me start with the
    cyclical conditions now typically if
    you’re doing a paper on the US you’ll
    run a Philips curve with unemployment
    and things will work quite nicely unfort
    fortunately you try to do the same thing
    for other countries which I will it is
    harder and it’s harder because
    unemployment does not look like we is an
    employment
    everywhere it even looks less during the
    current cycle so first this is a view of
    the data just to get a sense of what it
    looks like unemployment did increase in
    the in the pandemic during the pandemic
    but it increased in ways which is
    sometimes a little bit noisy spike in
    Asia spike in Latin America you don’t
    see much in in Europe now you don’t see
    much in advanc Europe either because of
    policies to keep unemployment constant
    but again that’s a little bit hiding the
    lack of activity in those months or
    quarters you see a little bit very
    little the subsaharan Africa so here
    what you see first there’s a lot of
    behavior of unemployment which does not
    look like the US in any cycle in this
    cycle was even more different now if I
    cannot use unemployment what can I use
    something that is based more on activity
    GDP P production but then you need a
    measure of slack and that is hard
    because we need to construct the measure
    of the output cap which is not easy I’m
    going to do it anyway so this is what
    I’ve done to construct this
    indicator now I’m going to take an
    approach which is let’s just look at one
    Cycle One cycle I mean I’m going to
    start in 2010 post the global financial
    crisis we have an expansion which is
    quite stable in the world in fact if you
    look at growth rates around the world
    they’re the most stable table they’ve
    ever been in any expansion so you take
    that as the trend whatever happened
    between 2010 2019 you extrapolate that
    Trend and then you look at deviations
    from that Trend post
    2020 now I know it’s not perfect but it
    gives us an indication of what growth
    rates look like compared to the previous
    expansion growth rates now I have the
    all the mergings Asia Asia without China
    and a couple of other regions now what
    do you see 2020 very similar across the
    board so very similar large negative
    numbers but then if you look at Asia or
    Asia including China which is the orange
    and the and the gray they remain quite
    low for 2021 2022 even
    2023 which means can remember how I buil
    this growth rates in Asia did come back
    to normal but they never overshoot
    normal so you never close the gap that
    you had open during the crisis
    is this truly slack maybe it could also
    be that was a structural breaking growth
    rates that’s possible I don’t have an
    explanation of why that would happen in
    Asia and not anywhere else now my
    argument is even if there’s a little bit
    of that and structural breaking growth
    rates one could argue that it could
    affect inflation as well and it depends
    a little bit what we mean by structural
    so I take this as a view that demand
    conditions were weaker in Asia than in
    other countries that goes a little bit
    in the direction of explaining lower
    inflation now I’ve done similar output
    gaps using quarterly data I didn’t say
    it but the previous chart with annual
    data because there’s no GDP for many
    countries quarterly now you’re not going
    to see colors here but I can guarantee
    you the last three lines are the three
    Asian economies if you use quarterly
    data so India Indonesia and the
    Philippines had an larger output Gap
    that any of the Latin American countries
    there or Poland or South Africa so same
    message comes through now is this truly
    an output Gap do we know why this
    happened and I think we have a partial
    answer of why this happened if you look
    at the reopening from covid restrictions
    was not the same in every region now as
    someone who was living in Asia during
    those years I can guarantee that they
    were not the same if you do a quick
    analysis of one of these stringency
    indices of covid restrictions what I’ve
    done here is taken an average from the
    countries in the previous chart just to
    much the same countries so Asia means
    the three countries that were in the
    previous chart Latin America the four
    countries that were there now the Asia
    line is the one that is on top of
    everyone in particular in 2021 and 2022
    so 2020 of course was very similar
    across the globe but then the reopening
    was much slower which sort of coincides
    with the timing of the output Gap that
    you see in my previous slides so again
    even if it’s hard to measure the output
    Gap I do think the combin ation of what
    you see here on the previous two charts
    I think they signal that the demand was
    weaker in Asia than in other
    countries so let me try to put this into
    some quantitative framework can this
    explain some of the difference in
    inflation in Asia how much here I’m
    going to run some Philips curve type
    regressions I’m going to start with
    unemployment even if I don’t have a lot
    of faith that this is going to work and
    it’s not going to work the way I think
    it should only look at the boxes in Red
    so across all columns unemployment comes
    with the right sign this is data from
    2000 all the way to the end of 2023
    quarterly data fix effects time effects
    everywhere so the first line makes sense
    and employment comes with a negative
    sign now I want you to focus to the Box
    on the right hand side what I do there
    is the following in column four I have
    dummies for all the EMD regions post 20
    20 so I’m trying to understand how
    different was inflation in these regions
    relative to what relative to advance so
    Advance is by Benchmark in this
    regression so if you focus on Asia minus
    2.4 says inflation in Asia was 2.4
    percentage points lower than in advance
    after adjusting for fixed effects and
    time effects time effects doesn’t matter
    but fixed effects do matter now I add on
    colum five the unemployment rate does
    the coefficient change does the behavior
    of unemployment help me explain that 2.4
    difference and you can see barely the
    coefficient barely moves so it seems
    that if you throw cyclical conditions
    measured by unemployment you don’t get
    much mileage what if I do the same thing
    using my measure of the output Gap so
    same thing it almost looks the same but
    the coefficients are different focus on
    the small box on the right hand side now
    I get more of a mileage if I use my
    output Gap measure of a slack so now I
    go from a 3% difference now the reason
    why it’s three and not 2.4 is the sample
    has changed because not all countries
    have GDP measures so 3% is sort of the
    starting point once I add cyclical
    conditions that difference goes down to
    two so if you want I explain with this
    regression about onethird of the
    difference of inflation in this case
    relative to advanc economies again I
    don’t think that’s a small amount
    assuming I’m getting everything right
    the the this part of the inflation
    Dynamics in Asia that can be explained
    by these cyclical
    Dynamics now let me try to go from here
    to policies let me start with fiscal
    policy first conventional fiscal policy
    here I’m just going to do something very
    quick I’m not sure how is is to
    translate this into a number so if I
    look at the conventional fiscal policy
    how much did the structural balances
    change in Asia compared to other
    countries I’m using here Asia including
    China if I include China is very similar
    ilar so you see there was a decrease
    like you expect everywhere else but it
    was smaller than in advance smaller than
    in Europe smaller than in Latin America
    all of these are emds it was larger than
    in subsaharan Africa but relative to the
    other three groups clearly the fiscal
    impulse was a smaller in Asia which is
    sort of consistent with a larger output
    Gap that I’ve seen before now I’m not
    sure I can take take this number and
    tell you how much it explains of
    inflation in theory if fiscal policy
    fits into output all the effects were
    already captured in my previous table so
    I’m not sure this is adding anything
    maybe story that goes with the previous
    slide but I did want to to show you
    these numbers now the other part that I
    wanted to look at is the unconventional
    fiscal policy again we said food prices
    matter Energy prices matter food prices
    matter even more than Energy prices in
    the CPI we’ve seen food prices did not
    increase much in Asia could it be the
    subsidies that played a role everywhere
    in the world matter more in in Asia than
    in other countries now I’m borrowing
    this from an IMF database uh that
    calculates how much were these subsidies
    compared to GDP so I’m focusing on the
    two boxes in Red so that’s Asia now if
    you compare with the other rows quickly
    there are the other Emerging Market
    regions and advanced economies on the
    first line you can see the numbers are
    quite big in particular on the last
    column so food subsidies in in Asia were
    a lot bigger than in other countries as
    a percentage of GDP now I’ve done my
    best to look in the literature to see
    how I translate that into an inflation
    effect I have not found a great paper
    there’s a few of those and they give you
    some estimates but I’m not sure they
    would apply to this particular event so
    I I don’t have a quantitative assessment
    that says and this bought this much of
    inflation but at a minimum it goes in
    the direction that is consistent with
    what Us in food price inflation but is
    also consistent with the overall
    inflation now what about monetary policy
    uh now here we can do lots of things I’m
    just going to give you two messages
    which go in the direction of explaining
    some of it so these are interest rates
    of a few countries now I’m going to
    focus on the right hand side so that’s
    the real interest rate so Central Bank
    interest rate minus inflation this is
    contemporaneous
    inflation now if you look at India in
    yellow Indonesia in blue hopefully you
    can see the South Africa in red let me
    start with those three very similar
    response in real rates so they move real
    rates by similar amounts around this
    episode now what do you see bigger
    differences the US took forever to get
    to the same place so they move much
    slower and I don’t think that’s a
    surprise to any of you that’s advanced
    economies move slower now Poland move
    even slower I think what happens there
    inflation really spiked in Poland so the
    real rate looks very low and then what
    you see an interesting contrast in Latin
    America real rates increase
    significantly more so in Mexico and
    Brazil you see uh bigger increases so
    here is the the contast that I see in
    particular more interesting to me is
    Latin America versus Asia now here comes
    a question which is not easy to answer
    do higher r rates means that inflation
    should be lower and it depends how you
    think about credibility anchoring of
    expectations and how much of a real rate
    you need to make sure that expectations
    of inflation stayed anchored now here
    I’m going to speculate both Brazil and
    Mexico have a recent history by reason I
    mean before
    2020 of much higher inflation and much
    more volatile
    inflation that this Central Bank had to
    hit the breaks a little bit harder maybe
    to get to the same place or maybe to get
    to an inflation rate that was slightly
    higher than in Asia so that’s as much as
    I can see here I don’t see very large
    differences between many Emerging
    Markets but I do see that in Latin
    America real rates were higher so if I
    took that chart as it is it doesn’t say
    that Asia was tougher than other
    emerging markets at all I don’t see it
    just by looking at real
    rates now
    how can I see credibility of central
    banks how can I think about uh that that
    matter the history of inflation I’m
    going to do two things one look at
    exchange rates so exchange rates could
    react to the possible sort of expected
    inflation that people saw after 2020 and
    countries with low credibility are
    likely to see bigger depreciations of
    the exchange rate now that’s what you
    see so the top two lines the green line
    and the blue line are Asia so whether
    you do Asia as a whole or Asia with a
    China exchange rates did not move much
    in fact Asia as a whole there was a a
    small
    appreciation if you look at the other
    Emerging Market there was significant
    depreciations so I read two things here
    one which is important but hard to
    capture or measure which is the
    credibility of different central banks
    was different and the exchanger reacted
    differently the second thing that I see
    if you believe in exchange rate passed
    through here you start seeing another
    reason why inflation was low in Asia
    because the exchange rates did not
    depreciate now I’ve done an attempt to
    put a number to that so this is the same
    Philips curve that I was writing before
    focus on the red thing I throw the
    nominal effective exchange rate you get
    a sign which is consistent with the
    literature you get a coefficient which
    is on the high range of the literature
    but it’s not completely crazy and if you
    do a quick back of the envelope
    calculation given how much exchange
    rates depreciated in other emerging
    markets you could sort of justify five
    to six percentage points during those
    two years in those countries relative to
    Asia again that is also a significant
    difference if you were to do a
    mechanical calculation maybe a little
    bit too optimistic but but again goes in
    the same direction and if you take this
    literally it also explains a big chunk
    of the inflation
    differential now here comes my last
    regression this comes partly partly from
    a suggestion that is still made in the
    preconference uh event that we had so I
    was trying to capture somehow how The
    credibility of the Central Bank matter
    for what we’ve seen so what I’m doing
    here is completely different
    cross-section let’s look at the jumping
    inflation from postco preo and we could
    take a couple of quarters I’m taking the
    whole sample can we explain the job in
    inflation using just two variables how
    high your inflation was before the
    pandemic and how volatile inflation was
    in the five years before the pandemic we
    could do three 10 I did five now there’s
    a couple of different samples all
    countries Emerging Markets full means
    all countries that I have data for small
    means countries that are consistent with
    previous samples that I’ve shown you so
    just to see if it matters which sample
    you use the coefficients always have the
    right signs and become more significant
    than others but what you can see here is
    a very strong result that says High
    inflation before matters a lot for the
    the change in inflation not the level of
    inflation so the surprise of inflation
    was much bigger in countries that
    started with high inflation and the
    volatility as well which is the point
    that I was making before and to me these
    are two indicators of The credibility of
    the central banks before this episode
    the RS square is as high as 40% in the
    last column that’s a big amount relative
    to the volatility we want to
    explain now unfortunately this does not
    correlate with some of the measure of
    transparency and Independence of central
    banks that we all use because that was
    my goal to use these measures to see if
    I can buy some of these result but I
    cannot so here if you look at measures
    of transparency and Independence of
    central banks Asia doesn’t look very
    good compared to other EMD regions so to
    me the level of inflation the volatility
    has worked a lot better so I’m done here
    again my answer I think is
    straightforward I’m using the framework
    that we’ve used for the Us and other
    countries and I conclude that Asia had
    weaker cyclical conditions and I said I
    can explain one point out of the three
    in those regressions that is consistent
    with weaker fiscal policy impuls and
    their slow reopening is consistent with
    a stronger unconventional fiscal policy
    food subsidies particular I didn’t say
    this but it matters luck rise prices did
    not go up as other commodity prices and
    that matters for Asia pork prices
    started stabilizing or going down in
    China that had to do with the swine flu
    again that was pure luck and then
    there’s the issue of policy in
    particular I think the history and
    credibility of monetary policy and the
    potential effect through exchange rat to
    me matter more than the response of
    interest rates where I don’t see a big
    difference so it has to be something
    more fundamental about credibility
    anchoring of expectations and possibly
    through the exchange rate thank you
    thank you so much Jan Maria for giving
    me the opportunity and Antonio thank you
    very much um I’ve worked a lot on US
    inflation but I’ve lived I am from India
    and have Liv lived inflation in India
    have both high and low um so I have to
    say this gladly I have to say this only
    for two months because actually I’m
    going back to India so this is
    um so so let me start by summarizing I
    think Antonio did a fantastic job um I
    think the key stylized fact uh which
    Antonio documents very nicely in his
    paper through several charts you you saw
    is um basically inflation in Asia um uh
    was high was was relatively muted not
    only relative to advanced economies we
    know that but also relative to other
    emerging and developing economies um why
    is that again Antonio’s last slide
    summarized it quite nicely but let let
    me give a summary of the summary I think
    there are three main reasons uh which
    Antonio highlights one is U still
    existing slack in these economies or
    weak post-pandemic recovery which was
    actually related to high restrictions
    and stringency during during the
    pandemic um second is fiscal policy and
    and interestingly um Antonio highlights
    two aspects of fiscal policy one is
    conventional fiscal policy which is
    captured through the slack but then
    unconventional fiscal policy which
    includes price control subsidies which
    we also saw in Europe by the way I think
    there is a um and third is monetary
    policy interestingly monetary policy was
    less aggressive in Asian economies
    relatively less aggressive even relative
    to say you know Latin American economies
    which raised much raised rates much
    earlier and much higher um yet inflation
    expectations were well anchored and
    there was limited depreciation of the
    exchange rate despite less aggressive
    monetary policy so it’s not that
    interest rates increased a lot and
    that’s why you saw less uh depreciation
    despite interest rates being um being
    you know low Rel real interest rates
    being low yet you found you know
    inflation expectations to be well
    anchored and there was limited uh so
    there’s a subtle I think um uh message
    in this I thought which was quite
    interesting so I think let me first
    highlight the contribution I think some
    of these facts I have to say are well
    known at least discussed a lot in um you
    know uh discussed a lot by policy makers
    especially Asian policy makers that look
    unlike the us we did not give big fiscal
    impulse and we we never had the
    inflation problem so you know you hear
    this a lot in the politic
    commentary um what I found very
    interesting was um that Antonio puts
    numbers and quantifies these effects and
    you know makes us you know see some of
    these effects in um on in the nice
    pictures which he which he presents
    which I think is a real contribution to
    quantify some of the you know some of
    the commentary which we are seeing which
    we’ve seen in policy and to see some
    numbers attached to
    those um my first comment is on
    um the link between Theory and impact
    lyrics and I think here the paper could
    actually do a bit better and you know to
    be embarrassed I’m going to you know
    highlight some of my work but I think uh
    it’s it’s more because you know I’ve
    worked with these Frameworks and um so
    there is um The Brookings paper which we
    which we presented a couple of years ago
    but there’s also um you know we are
    extending the Brookings framework uh for
    an NBR conference on inflation in May
    where we are we are looking at a wider
    sample of countries which will include
    Asia as well and I’ll show some teasers
    from from that ongoing going work so
    here I think our framework is very very
    simple we say headline inflation is um
    is basically you can think about it as
    core inflation and headline inflation
    shocks and core inflation is really
    underlying inflation so you’re you’re
    trying to um U you know core inflation
    is the basically the textbook inflation
    which depends on uh labor market
    tightness and expect and inflation
    expectations and we measure it by and
    and we find that measurement of core
    inflation is quite important so we
    measure by weighted median which which
    strips which is not only xfe that is you
    know excluding food and energy but
    excluding you know any of the volatile
    Industries which was particularly
    important during the pandemic because
    during the pandemic if we use x XF
    inflation it’s very erratic we cannot
    correlated with anything so I think the
    measurement is um fairly important and
    second is these headline inflation
    shocks these are high frequency shocks
    relative price changes in particular
    Industries um not only you know food and
    energy again during the co during Co uh
    we saw travel Autos all these um so this
    is you know basically and the measure of
    headline inflation shocks the deviation
    of headline from core so this is a
    simple framework and I want to read some
    of the evidence in terms of you know the
    framework um uh you know again a very
    simplified framework so this uh Antonio
    showed the results on Headline inflation
    but if you think you know textbook
    really you would relate core inflation
    and the results on core inflation are
    very interesting because I think I’ll
    just focus in the interest of time just
    focus on column five and you can see
    that in column five and whatever measure
    of unemployment rate we have once you
    includes slack the coefficient I don’t
    know if the pointer is working is it
    working oh no no it’s not working okay
    so the so the coefficient on Asia is
    basically statistically
    indistinguishable from zero as you see
    so then I asked myself so this means
    that basically does it tell me that you
    know if if a really good textbook core
    inflation whatever measure you have
    it tells me basically it’s all about
    slack and you showed these nice pictures
    on um output Gap and you know slack as
    best best as you can measure um but then
    it’s really inconsistent with some of
    the other stories you telling about you
    know unconventional fiscal policy
    monetary policy so that’s why I thought
    you know um looking at headline
    inflation shocks separately is very
    important and again you showed here how
    um you know Energy prices and and and
    and food prices were relatively more
    muted but if you think you know if you
    think about Theory you have to first of
    all look at it in relation to the core
    inflation so relative prices so I you
    cannot just look at food and energy but
    relative to core you have to see how
    these evolved in um in Asia relative to
    other emerging emerging economies so I
    think again thinking through um you know
    um and not only energy and food prices
    but I don’t know what other prices
    relative price shocks were there in Asia
    so thinking a little bit in terms of
    headline inflation shocks I think would
    add a little bit of more structure to
    the
    analysis this is again you know some
    work which we are doing as I said um uh
    with co-authors extending um the
    analysis to a wider set of countries and
    let me show you just a teaser slide here
    and um though it’s you know this is a wi
    sample of countries both Advanced and
    emerging and you can see this this is
    basically showing you um uh the rise to
    Peak so basically how inflation Rose but
    also how inflation fell from PE to the
    latest and you if if you look at you
    know some of the Asian economies here
    for example um if you look at Thailand
    here um Thailand is relatively one of
    one of the Asian economies which had a
    large rise to Peak but also you know
    fell as well and you can you can
    decompose it into core and the headline
    inflation shock and you can see that in
    the case of Thailand for example
    although the red the headline inflation
    shocks were the big contributor but
    there’s a little bit of contribution
    from core slack as well again if you
    look at see Malaysia Malaysia is is is
    among Asia it’s after Thailand so so the
    change increased to Peak is relatively
    smaller but I think the interesting
    thing is it’s also all red so basically
    it’s all headline inflation shock and
    and and you can see the asymmetry
    between um the increase and the fall as
    well and then if you look at India India
    is also very interesting it’s the
    smallest in in you know the entire in
    the entire pack but it’s half and half
    divided between uh the red and the blue
    so it’s what’s happening in India is
    quite interesting because you know
    although the output Gap was negative or
    there was slack it was in it it was
    moving towards zero move to the so it
    was moving towards zero so basically a a
    you know you can see that um you know
    the output Gap is closing in that sense
    so that’s why it’s contributing to
    inflation so I I think one of my broad
    comments is that you know unpacking a
    little bit um um slack versus headline
    shocks and highlighting some of the
    stories of heterogenity even within Asia
    might add some flavor to the
    paper um and as I said you know there’s
    in addition there’s heterogenity also in
    the drivers of headline inflation shocks
    for example Energy prices and exchange
    rates were the two top contributors in
    Malaysia energy food and shipping cost
    were the top contributors in in in in
    Thailand whereas in India it was more a
    lot of you know ship you know Supply
    delivery times backlogs Etc so this
    chart basically showing um the headline
    inflation shock and you know it’s
    showing the dotted line is the predicted
    based on these three variables and
    um the black line is the actual and you
    can see that these three variables
    basically explain um the evolution of
    headline inflation shocks almost
    perfectly in perfectly in the case of
    India um and then you know I think
    another thing to highlight and this I
    don’t know to what extent was it
    important in the case of Asia but this
    crisis was really a lot about
    nonlinearities and this is for the US
    and but but we have you know when we
    extending it to other countries we are
    seeing similar patterns even for Asia
    and um the left chart basically shows
    the nonlinearities um with respect to
    slack and here of course with the us we
    have better measure so you know V over
    you and on the right hand side it’s
    nonlinearity with respect to headline
    inflation shocks and you can see very
    nice you know um feathers and Rockets
    rocket effects for headline inflation
    shocks so when headline inflation shocks
    are are low you have very you know the
    effect on um um you know the effect on
    inflation is fairly mutant but it
    increase a very fast rate if headline
    inflation shocks are are high and as I
    said you know I I don’t know to what
    extent was it true e although you know
    overall inflation was relatively muted
    were there asymmetric and nonlinearities
    in the case of Asia too I think could be
    could be um explored in your in in your
    framework as well um and then you know I
    think um as you know Ben banan and
    Olivia Blanchard have this project with
    a number of central banks this mostly
    advanced economies but one thing which
    they highlight which I find very
    interesting that initially the pandemic
    era inflation was really um a result of
    these relative price shocks so relative
    price shocks as they increased you have
    this initial burst of inflation and as
    relative price shocks faded headline
    inflation is coming down however the
    labor market is still hot and the effect
    of slack is is something that might
    persist so here again you know I think
    getting some sense of um whether you
    know uh you know how you know how the
    labor market is evolving and how the
    slack is changing over time and how does
    it continue to be negative or is it
    closing would some you know would be
    something interesting to note to get a
    of inflation going forward in the case
    of um Asia so as I said even in the case
    of India even though output Gap was
    negative it was closing and that
    contribute actually contributed to
    inflation um in the case of
    India with this um let me conclude um I
    think it was a really nice paper very
    important contribution the main
    contribution I see in terms of
    quantifying some of these effects and
    some of the narrative we are seeing by
    uh especially by Asian policy makers um
    I think my main comment would would be
    you know three-fold I think putting you
    know linking a little bit more to Theory
    and putting a framework to all the
    interesting findings you have um
    unpacking some of the heterogeneity even
    across Asia like I showed you India
    Malaysia Thailand were quite different
    and third is maybe I don’t know if they
    exist if there are nonlinearities and
    some of the effects thank you very
    much thank you PRI and um would open the
    floor for discussion but maybe let me
    just give a chance to Antonio to if he
    has any uh quick thoughts uh and then
    we’ll we’ll open up the floor for
    discussion thank
    you so very yeah I’m I mean thank you
    very much for your comments um I think
    you’re asking me to do a couple of
    things that I wanted to do at some point
    some of them I’m not sure there’s enough
    data to conclude but maybe I can go into
    specific examples I think the coring
    inflation headline inflation uh is an
    interesting one I mean as you’ve shown
    I’m using a measure of core inflation
    that comes from a database that ihan and
    Kors have have have produced for
    emerging markets and you get some
    results again I think it’s just hard to
    measure core inflation for these
    countries maybe at some point we can
    talk about how you’re measuring for your
    project and maybe there there’s better
    ways of doing things um and then the
    other thing I think that you’re saying
    is true I think looking at some
    individual Asian countri and looking at
    diversity I think that can be useful
    I’ve done some of that which is not in
    the paper to see whether the aggregate
    was meaningful but I think the
    difference between Thailand where sort
    of food subsidies were a lot smaller
    than Indonesia for example I think is
    interesting or India where food
    subsiders were stronger looking at the
    role of of sort of the the output Gap in
    different countries I think that can
    help me understand some of the data um
    again the nonlinearities is the
    trickiest one I think that that I’m not
    sure how much I can do but but I think
    the other ones for sure I think I should
    do more of that thank
    you thank you Antonio so let me open the
    floor for discussion uh maybe you can
    just stand
    your perfect
    Phil great um tremendous uh discussion
    tremendous papers well well done one one
    thing that I’ve been struck by in the
    last few years in Emer
    Asia is and it’s something you actually
    see across the the whole world is the
    narrowing or the inversion of the gap
    between the high inome countries and the
    lwi income countries so I wondered if
    you could dig a little more into that
    issue because one thing that strikes me
    as I won’t say puzzling but you know
    kind of very interesting is that you
    know if you take a weighted average of
    say Taiwan Singapore well what I used to
    call I still call the Knicks because I’m
    I’m an old guy but take the nck average
    inflation rate and compare that to the
    the low in well lower income countries
    you know the malaysias the thailands
    indonesias you know that that Gap used
    to be significantly higher in the lower
    income countries pre pandemic and then
    flipped and has stayed the differential
    has stayed flipped you know they’re both
    sort of moving down and up together but
    but there’s this sustained Gap and I
    wondered if you had any sort of
    explanations as to whether this or any
    thoughts as to whether this is a sort of
    just a matter of luck matter of cyclical
    structural developments or or perhaps
    reflects good policies in some of these
    lower inome countries so you’re sort of
    seeing superimposed on the pandemic
    effects the sort of benefits of a long
    run effort to to to go to lower
    inflation maybe we collect a couple of
    questions first and then give you the
    floor back Antonio I
    thank you thank you uh Antonio it’s
    great um
    the these are just questions actually
    the first one when I think about Asia
    versus other regions especially the
    regions in this uh
    Workshop I I wonder to what extent
    prices especially certain prices
    administered in these countries in Asia
    versus Europe
    I’m going to make a guess the extent of
    administered prices larger in Asia than
    for example uh emerging Europe uh take I
    mean the price of electricity price of
    uh oil um and those make a big
    difference when it comes to how
    inflation moves huh especially
    headline the the second thing is uh when
    you are comparing Asia versus other
    regions uh uh and this is to me a
    simpler exercise than the exercise you
    are trying to run here with the um the
    the
    Frameworks uh what is the extent of
    exchange rate pass
    through in this region versus other
    regions because some of these shocks are
    really common shocks uh uh and and the
    how it affects the kind of the the
    inflation is going to depend on the pass
    through and um third question
    is how different inflation Targets in
    this region versus other Emerging Market
    regions I think that that’s also very
    useful in terms of thinking about uh
    policy response but the great great
    paper
    Steve um thank you that was very
    interesting paper um actually just
    following up on aon’s uh first remark uh
    I asked a uh uh the Asia Economist for
    City Bank the same question why is Asian
    inflation so low and and she suggested a
    couple of other reasons besides the well
    besides the one discussed by Antonio one
    of them is following up on ion’s comment
    is uh price controls uh is there much
    evidence that price controls were more
    pervasive and more effective in in the
    Asian countries than
    others a second consideration and I’m
    not sure how much weight to put on this
    uh was mentioned was that those same
    Supply uh chain disruptions that led to
    higher prices in advanced economies had
    the effect of bottling in Goods in Asian
    economies and thus lowering their price
    I was wondering what you thought of that
    and then finally uh I was very uh
    impressed with the result on exchange
    rates and how those also help to dampen
    uh inflation uh in Asia and I was
    wondering how much of that actually
    might have reflected active uh ex
    Exchange Market
    intervention uh by those economies as
    opposed to just the kind of like free
    market responsive exchange rates thank
    you
    Dave uh just to say I really enjoyed the
    paper and and you know being also based
    out in in Singapore I I and found that
    intuitively it matched up to a lot of
    the uh sort of more microanalysis that
    people have done and I so just uh I
    thought the demand conditions being
    weaker elsewhere in the region I think
    about you know places like Korea and and
    Taiwan where even the headline growth
    numbers might be you know mask actually
    domestic demand conditions being quite
    weak this whole time and aside from
    their Tech exports you know you would
    still have uh uh still weak demand
    conditions that certainly seems to Jive
    and also seems to Jive these
    unconventional policies uh and I guess
    this is kind of what Steve was also
    saying that that you know things like
    food subsidies really did seem to be
    larger and I was just C because you you
    had a chart there which I think was IMF
    compiled uh a 1% of GDP almost which is
    quite High compared to others but I
    thought it said only two sample of two
    and it does it would seem to be more
    pervasive uh so I think that point could
    probably be uh even stronger made
    thanks
    francisa um I I like that paper very
    much it has all the things I would have
    expected in there so I guess most of the
    your arguments are about the size of the
    shocks they were just hit by fewer
    shocks luck because they rise policies
    because they had less fiscal monetary
    stimulus and I guess the thing you
    didn’t mention I would add another one
    that’s just shock there parts of the
    region are very close to trade fairly
    closed so you wouldn’t get these Global
    shocks to them but the other bit is that
    perhaps any shock of Any Given size has
    less impact on inflation in at least
    parts of Asia simply because they have
    such large informal economies so that
    was my one question did you did you look
    at the impact of these shocks and
    perhaps you would see that in your last
    regression where you look at the
    correlation with initial regression
    initial conditions initial inflation
    did you interact that with the Asia
    dami and then the second comment is
    perhaps different measures of output
    gaps would also be useful to use because
    I noticed here in 2019 already the
    output Gap in Asia was almost 10% of GDP
    that seems a lot maybe the trend before
    the pandemic was just too strong thank
    you let me add a quick question on my
    end too um first on the core versus
    headline um I thought that the subsidies
    point that uh Antonio made go went in
    the in that direction so that the
    subsidies can be one reason why the
    headline shock was that he shows uh was
    smaller um but I I wondered I think
    there is already some work on this in
    the paper but it will be interesting to
    see the extent to which which you have a
    smaller shock
    because of say rice versus wheat uh also
    gas prices are different in different
    parts of the world so I thought it would
    be interesting to see the extent to
    which you have a difference in world
    market price shocks in different regions
    versus the actual energy and food price
    shocks in the countries which will
    reflect the world price plus the
    subsidies thank you but I think know
    great paper very interesting discussion
    and look forward to hearing uh What uh
    Antonio can tell us
    in a concise
    way I mean thank you for many of the
    comments and these are all things that I
    think uh I should explore in some cases
    subject to whatever data I can find uh
    as always but uh a couple of answers to
    questions um I mean the administer price
    I struggled with that because I’m not
    sure how to handle that I mean Asia
    probably has more administered price
    that’s my guess I will have to find a
    good number to back that up but that was
    also true in 2009 when inflation was
    quite high in Asia so it it cannot be
    that our Minister price explains always
    lower inflation now those numbers that I
    saw unconventional fiscal policy during
    the pandemic in theory they should Capt
    of that in theory because in theory is
    the subsidy to energy and food prices
    again in practice I’m not sure but in
    theory maybe they capture that but it
    has to be a little bit more than
    administered prices otherwise in
    previous years or episodes you wouldn’t
    see that difference but again I’m not
    sure I have more to say but I’ll try to
    see if I can quantify that in some way I
    did look at the exchange rate passed
    through by region whether it was very
    different and in my analysis it didn’t
    look too different I know in the
    literature the there’s some differences
    so I try that to see doesn’t matter if I
    do it by region but may I should look at
    it again and see if there’s anything
    looking at different inflation Target I
    think is interesting I didn’t look at it
    per se I look at previous inflation I
    should look at that Phil was asking this
    question about high income countries I
    was only looking at Emerging Markets so
    I was ignoring Singapore or Hong Kong or
    Korea um again some of those countries
    do they look like the merging markets
    there was not a lot of inflation others
    suffer a little bit more but I don’t
    have a good answer because I was only
    looking at the Emerging Market but um
    now Steve comment about supply chain
    disruptions yeah I’m not sure how to
    quantify that I’m not sure how to make
    sense out of that unless you really
    think that the goods stay stuck in Asia
    and they needed to be sold there but I
    don’t know how to possibly I mean I
    think if there’s any way to quantify
    that one the intervention on Exchange
    rat I think it’s part of what you see
    there um so it’s not just the cred of
    the central bank but again how do you
    separate the two because if you’re
    committed to a stable exchange rates I
    could call that credibility in some way
    second that’s how do you think about a
    stable nominal exchange just pure
    monetary policy or is manipulation I
    think it’s a combination of both
    depending on who you ask um um the
    question of that these countries are
    closer to trade again I need to think
    about how to quantify that in any way I
    need to think about the informal economy
    uh I’m not sure how different is in Asia
    from some of the other Emerging Markets
    I’m looking at so I think it’s going to
    be a relative comparison to to some um
    uh and yes the point you made J Maria
    about maybe the shocks to some of these
    sort of energy and food prices are
    different because of the particular
    issues again I I know they were in rise
    for sure in food prices but maybe
    there’s a way to put a number to that
    that I’ll try to do yeah thank
    you thanks a lot uh Antonio thanks a lot
    PRI and to thanks to everybody for the
    contribution to the discussion let’s
    move to the second paper and it’s refet
    gak that is going to present it and it
    deals with emerging
    Europe and refet is a professor at Bill
    Kent thank you um it’s a pleasure to be
    here thank you for asking me to work on
    this although being from emerging Europe
    uh emerging Europe was not something
    that I ever thought about so it was a
    good opportunity and it was a good
    opportunity to think about emerging
    markets in general the human mind wants
    categories and um one that is
    very prevalent in our field is emerging
    markets and as we’re thinking about what
    is
    it how is it that the Emerging Markets
    are different from advanced
    economies that’s not very obvious
    actually right I mean there there are
    two ways of thinking of this one is the
    IM World Bank uh way of thinking of it
    which is just by income levels right and
    that I
    understand but in terms of the academic
    literature that isn’t what we have in
    mind right you know implicitly it’s this
    we have these models and ways of
    thinking that are appropriate for
    advanced economies but they don’t quite
    apply to Emerging Markets because they
    are different right um without quite
    explicitly saying how they are different
    different in a bad way way certain
    that’s weird
    um and I think that was kind of not
    entirely incorrect in the 1980s 90s
    right I used to think then that you know
    these are the economies that know
    bizarrely do procyclical fiscal policy
    that’s what differentiates them right um
    um maybe a better way I was thinking of
    this over the weekend is to say you know
    normal economies ad domest economies
    have business Cycles Emerging Markets
    have boomas Cycles right they have
    crisis and it’s that those are
    fundamentally different things but that
    metrics since the global financial
    crisis or so um it’s the forly advanced
    economies that are very emerging like
    and emerging economies have essentially
    emerged so so it’s really worth thinking
    about do we need a separate way of
    thinking about you know emerging markets
    do we need to ask separately you know if
    this is what happened in advanced
    economies and postco inflation what was
    going on in Emerging
    Markets implicitly assuming that it
    would be something else right um so most
    of my talk is going to be saying at
    least in the country that I’m looking at
    it really isn’t okay so whatever helps
    you understand Advanced Europe inflation
    in postco Period the exactly same things
    help you understand emerging Europe okay
    it’s just Europe so um it really is
    important to remember that we need not
    think of Emerging Markets as a separate
    species of countries that require a
    separate set of tools to understand okay
    um the toolkit really works well and
    when you apply that toolkit it turns out
    that it’s the same answer okay you know
    um the European inflation of course is
    kind of different in that I’m going to
    keep saying energy here but really that
    energy and you know just because it’s
    easy I’m going to show oil prices and
    things of that sort but really what
    matters is gas right uh and in
    particular dependence on Russian gas and
    that was the case for advanced Europe
    and emerging Europe and that was it now
    it’s kind of cheap to say that and it
    was important that somebody actually
    looked at this and said you know does it
    really work when I did it does really
    work okay um
    except um one of the Glorious um
    emerging European countries is truly
    different um and um in in the paper I
    spent some time talking about the
    Turkish case recently I wrote separately
    on the Turkish case I’m not going to
    spend too much time here but looking at
    the Turkish case is what really puts
    that you know final nail in the coffin
    and says Okay um there are two broad
    possibilities here when you see all
    these countries simultaneously have this
    you know inflation boom one is they were
    doing some coordinated stupid policy
    okay it really was policy coordination
    on bad policy or it was a it was an
    external shock okay the external shock
    story works well but you know if you
    recall your undergrad statistics this
    really is um you’re unable to reject a
    null the story is consistent with the
    external shock but you don’t know what
    it would look like under the bad policy
    and then you look at Turkey you learn
    what it looks like under bad policy
    right um and it’s very different um and
    it’s offensive when you love yeah um
    okay
    so inflation you’ve seen this a zillion
    times um over the past two years or so
    right three years um it zooms up comes
    back down now what is interesting here
    is the
    scale that this is inflation that peaks
    in 2022 at three and a half%
    and you know when you look at that one
    you go ha I’m going to say none of you
    lived in a country that looked like that
    okay so that was
    Switzerland and it’s not emerging Europe
    but it certainly is Europe and a
    fascinating question is how come the
    Swiss inflation was so much lower than
    the EUR area inflation right because I
    mean Switzerland is this very small
    island smack in the middle of a sea of
    Euro area right and one would have
    thought I would have thought um they
    would look very similar they really
    don’t okay um what is the big
    difference the big difference is two
    things um which both boil down to energy
    one is Switzerland is much richer than
    the rest of Europe the average Euro area
    which mechanically lowers the weight of
    energy in the consumption basket the
    other one is Swiss energy is publicly
    produced and price controlled and
    therefore the shock was much smaller and
    the weight much was much smaller and
    there you have it okay so then the
    question becomes if that works so well
    to explain the Swiss case obviously
    reductionist um does it work elsewhere
    in Europe too so we’re going to look at
    emerging Europe okay emerging Europe um
    you don’t have turkey in this table it
    it has floating exchange rates of sorts
    um but emerging Europe is a weird Hodge
    PGE of
    countries most of which are essentially
    following the ECB in monetary policy
    very closely okay so here you have kosov
    and Montenegro which I to my shame
    learned uh because I was working on this
    that have unilaterally euroz okay it’s
    not even you know fixed exchange rates
    whatever Bulgaria has uh to my knowledge
    one of the very few successful currency
    boards right that would make Steve hanky
    proud
    um and then but the larger ones of
    course are um you know Poland Hungary
    and Romania right so what I’m going to
    do is I’m going to define a Emerging
    Market emerging Europe weighted average
    I’m going to exclude turkey because a if
    I did include it it would be Far and
    Away the largest weight in there um and
    it was glorious 123% and cumulative
    inflation over this two years we just be
    looking at Turkey okay so I’m going to
    look at the non-t turkey emerging Europe
    um and then talk about turkey separately
    yeah very good okay now the point here
    is it’s not just that there is this
    average but a great majority of those
    countries are very close to that average
    okay you actually have two outliers one
    is Albania that has has surprisingly low
    inflation what is Hungary that has
    surprisingly High inflation but the rest
    are really close to that average okay so
    it’s really isn’t that oh you know
    Poland get a high weight so they you
    know looking at no no they look very
    much alike and this is exactly what
    makes me
    say something common to these countries
    must have happened right you know either
    they fig their way of screwing policy up
    simultaneously or something external to
    them happened to them
    yeah it’s important to look at core and
    um core looks kind of similar too it’s
    not surprising that there is more
    variance in core right um but you see
    more or less the same story in core
    okay now
    the I like doing um factor analysis so
    if you try to extract factors from these
    countries headline and core inflations
    um it turns out one factor does
    perfectly well in headline that fact
    factor is essentially everything and it
    loads exactly evenly on all of these
    countries that says you know the
    headline inflation was moving in exactly
    the same ways in these countries so if
    you just take an average of them you’re
    doing perfectly fine okay with core it
    looks very similar not exactly the same
    kosov is somewhat different um and I
    don’t have deep insight into the kosov
    core inflation um but that’s the one
    that’s creating the difference there
    nonetheless you explain depend depending
    on which subsample you choose something
    like you know 2/3 to four fths of the
    variance in core with one factor that
    looks like a proper average okay cool
    very good so what we see is inflation
    picked up in all of these countries at
    the same time and inflation peaked in
    all of these countries about the same
    time too right so you have to say you
    know if it’s policy it has to be a
    policy error that is very coordinated
    okay um and in some cases in some places
    of the world once you say you know it
    has to be a common policy header across
    a whole bunch of 11 countries here 11
    countries coordinating on bad policy
    surely it didn’t happen here it may have
    happened because these are all countes
    that follow the ECB so if ECB screwed up
    they will all you know follow up okay um
    but but that wasn’t the
    case or a common external shock okay um
    the common external shock is going to
    fly so let’s see
    that so the first thing we’re looking at
    is oil prices we prices right those are
    leading and then the headline and
    core this really isn’t econometrics but
    you know it kind of works right um it’s
    it’s weird in that um this is levels
    versus changes right it’s the level of
    oil and food prices versus the inflation
    rate that’s the change but that’s the
    way it usually works
    okay now I’m going to show you a whole
    bunch of things of this sort um my
    interest is in trying to understand the
    intra emerging European dispersion of
    inflation and trying to relate that to
    what was happening to the energy
    contribution in these countries so the
    first thing you look at is the weight of
    energy in the consumption
    basket and then U try to relate that to
    the cumulative inflation okay so the sum
    of the two years inflation during the
    inflation runup from the beginning of
    2021 to the end of 2022
    right that works rather well and the
    somewhat surprising thing here is that
    at the Left End you have Switzerland
    where one would say yeah okay as you get
    richer the weight of energy in your
    consumption basket goes down so that’s
    kind of fine and then the next one is
    Albania yeah which is not known for
    being a very high income country so
    we’ll have to come back to that but
    overall it’s kind of right um but the
    other you know glaring exception there
    is Hungary which has much higher
    inflation than what it should compared
    to you know what its uh weight of
    inflation the consumption basket is
    right okay now this is more interesting
    um this was this was headline inflation
    so headline mechanically this this has
    to work okay this is
    core and and here there’s no reason why
    this actually works okay because this is
    still the weight of energy in the
    consumption basket versus core inflation
    okay so that’s something that gives you
    a pause for a second and makes you think
    you know what the hell um and there are
    ways that that relationship might be
    there so one is the wage pressure that
    is you know headline inflation goes up
    and then people begin to ask for higher
    wages and then that fees them to core
    okay but that’s not only one okay um
    because remember that
    the weights in the consumption basket
    are expenditure weights so countries in
    which energy is more expensive are going
    to have it’s not only that incomes is
    lower or total expenditures less but if
    energy is more expensive you’re going to
    end up again mechanically with a higher
    weight okay and those countries may end
    up one can imagine that that has direct
    production effects too okay so that’s
    something actually um testable and there
    are two ways you can look at this one is
    if it’s the wage pressure even before
    energy you would expect to see this
    through the food effect right you know
    my life has gotten more expensive I’m
    asking for more Wages that’s going to
    show up through the share of food in the
    consumption basket before it shows up
    through the share of um energy
    and I’m not going to show you that but
    that relationship isn’t there in fact if
    anything it’s a downward sloping
    relationship okay on the other hand um
    you can think of the energy shock as a
    shock to the headline inflation through
    the weight of energy in the consumption
    basket but obviously it’s also as a
    supply shock okay and we have metrics to
    quantify how bad of a supply shock this
    is for different
    countries through their energy
    intensities so one almost analogous way
    of looking at this is you know did the
    countries that have more energy
    intensive production structures suffer
    worse okay so let’s look at
    that yeah so that relationship isn’t
    quite there and um but it really should
    be
    somehow energy intensity the the doesn’t
    work because of exactly what was talked
    about in the discussion um after
    Antonio’s paper which is energy
    intensity energy intensity is not an
    expenditure share this isn’t energy
    intensity is not measured as you know
    the value of energy used in production
    divided by GDP it’s actually a weird
    measure which is um the physical
    quantity of energy used megga divided by
    GDP
    okay but even even more
    importantly I hate to say this as an
    economist but this is a very clear case
    where cost and opportunity cost aren’t
    the same thing okay countries that
    import
    energy they are beholden to the world
    energy price and you know they’re
    powerless countries that produce their
    own
    energy when the world energy price goes
    up keeping energy sheep in the country
    creates an opportunity cost and many
    times they don’t care okay so they can
    actually keep local energy cheap enough
    if they don’t have to import it so it
    becomes really obvious that it’s not
    just the energy intensity of production
    but how much of that energy has to be
    imported okay so um I didn’t see in the
    literature a term for this I call this
    energy sensitivity which is the energy
    intensity times the share of imported
    energy
    okay and that relationship really
    works so what you have here is Albania
    is way down there because I’m going to
    come back to this um I can say it now
    Alban is an energy producer this I
    didn’t know um Albania has about 0.1% of
    the world reserves of oil some gas too
    okay um that’s tiny then again so is
    Albania so it works very well okay
    but the point here is that um this
    distinction between well okay um and
    that was very nicely made in the
    discussion right there are there is the
    core and there are the headline shocks
    but in this case a lot of those shocks
    to the headline were also shocks to the
    core right so it it is the shocks that’s
    driving this whole
    business all
    right and this is it um no this is not
    it sorry this so this is something
    similar um as a memo item for the Euro
    area if you look at the energy weight in
    the consumption basket versus the
    cumulative inflation rates in the Euro
    area countries that also works very well
    okay and and this is my point right you
    know nobody is surprised to see this and
    you shouldn’t be surprised to see the
    same thing working out in the emerging
    European countries either because it’s
    just Europe these countries are very
    similar okay up to their monetary
    policies in most cases actually
    all right
    um yeah so if I try to relate the
    cumulative energy price increase to the
    cumulative core inflation that also
    works very well okay and you know here’s
    the de composition of the core versus
    non-core right um because of the weights
    food obviously has a much higher weight
    than energy and therefore mechanically
    explains more but it’s really worth
    remember remembering that you know
    except in cases of you know Thro crop
    failure Aven flu whatever um what we see
    as food inflation is often driven by
    energy inflation okay um there’s a nice
    IMF paper that makes this point and it
    was surprising to me that more people
    hadn’t worked on
    this but the key here is to see that the
    commodity price change is at least a
    half in many cases at least twoth thirds
    or more
    of total inflation that we observe in
    these countries Okay cool so I can turn
    that into a statistical analysis and run
    a regression of headline and core
    inflations on the contributions of
    energy and food okay this is only for
    2021 to 2022 it works gloriously well
    and you know having looked at the
    relationship that I showed you you’re
    not going to be surprised that it works
    gloriously well okay um but the point
    here is that the food and energy
    contributions explain essentially all of
    the headline right and at least half of
    the core
    inflation okay so very good
    um then again you know if you were
    looking at this and not thinking what
    kind of a crapp regression is that you
    haven’t been paying attention um because
    essentially this is a weighted average
    regressed on its components better works
    okay um in the case of core too right
    you know if inflation is this
    broad-based increase in prices you know
    I’m going to regress changes in some
    prices some average right on some
    individual
    ones maybe it always works
    okay but one of the things before I come
    back to this maybe it always works
    is I’m a bit troubled by my ability to
    explain all of the dispersion and
    inflation and in fact all of the
    inflation itself in these economies by
    looking at the Comm price shock because
    the literature keeps pushing this supply
    chain you know disruptions business
    and you know there is no residual here
    okay that commodity price shock actually
    explains it all this may be a European
    thing although the ecb’s own analysis
    for the Euro area inflation puts a lot
    of weight on the supply chain
    disruptions too okay so that’s something
    we’re thinking about out by somebody
    else I hope okay now but the econometric
    issue remains you know maybe this is
    something that you have to find okay and
    a cheap test is to do this for some
    other time okay so this is the same
    analysis for
    201819 it doesn’t work that way all the
    time in fact this just doesn’t work for
    core at all okay and for the headline
    you end up explaining much less of the
    variance so it really was a special time
    in 20
    2122 where the quantive price shocks to
    energy and food properly explains all of
    the dispersion of variants in emerging
    Europe okay very good so there we have
    it this is the
    story now a minute on Albania and
    Hungary why is Albania you know so
    different there are two reasons reason
    one is being an energy producer okay
    well 20 he um reason heal is Albania
    subsidizes energy to poorer households
    and about all households in Albania are
    poor okay so that’s a very controlled
    price with an artificially low weight
    okay um but also the Albanian Le was
    appreciating in this period and it
    didn’t begin to appreciate postco it had
    been appreciating for some time again
    Alban is Tiny so small external stuff
    carries over to a large extent in
    particular here they were getting
    FDI and that FDI was more than enough to
    offset their current account deficit
    which was appreciating the currency that
    appreciation carried at the same rate
    there’s a chart in the paper if
    anybody’s interested okay so it really
    isn’t this you know kind of reverse
    causality story that what was happening
    to the elect kept continuing happening
    in this period too but an appreciated
    currency is a very good hedge against
    the external shock and that really
    worked well this is exactly the same
    story for Switzerland right so
    Switzerland there’s more causality but
    it’s it doesn’t correlate with the
    energy shock you know when things get
    iffy the Swiss frank appreciates that
    strongly happened in general the Swiss
    National Bank fights 21 nil to stop that
    in this case they were very happy to let
    the Frank appreciate and then when the
    Frank stopped appreciating they were
    like you know we’d like to see more of
    this so they intervened to make it
    appreciate
    okay um and in this sense almost the two
    ends of the European income distribution
    Switzerland and Albania were very
    similar in having low weights of energy
    in their consumption baskets being
    independent in energy pricing
    Switzerland produces is an immense
    amount of electricity inside the country
    by themselves so they can do this right
    and having appreciating currencies what
    about Hungary Hungary you have to resort
    to policy okay Hungary had an election
    they had a very ill advised economically
    well advised politically um fiscal
    expansion that kind of looked like the
    US case right you know on top of an
    economy that was kind of chugging
    chugging along
    they dumped a huge amount of fiscal
    expansion led the foreign to depreciate
    like crazy and that pass through
    combined with the demand stimulus LED
    Hungary to have a huge inflation hence
    macro policy isn’t Al together
    Irrelevant this hopefully nobody is
    surprised about right you know you do
    good policy good things happen you do
    bad policy bad things happen the point
    about emerging Europe is these countries
    have very very similar policy mixes
    because they’re following the ECB so
    closely in general Hungary was one that
    didn’t have to do this they had their
    own currency floating exchange rates
    they could do fiscal policy they could
    do monetary policy right chose to do the
    bad ones saw bad effects
    okay let’s look at Turkey all right so
    yeah that’s
    different and the fact that that’s
    different is really important okay you
    know Turkey doesn’t have following every
    other country yeah you know nothing
    nothing nothing and then down no right
    you know um we had
    inflation that freaked out the rest of
    the world now okay you know if you
    remember hungar Hungarian inflation was
    much higher than everybody else and it
    like really stood out that’s 2018 in
    turkey that’s the same order of
    magnitude okay that’s the Small Bump
    that you’re looking
    that and if you look at the postco
    period there you know inflation takes
    off like crazy kind of comes back down
    and then goes back up again okay those
    are all very obviously relatable to
    monetary policy
    choices there are a couple of pages in
    the paper about this um I’m not going to
    take too much of your time here but it
    really is truly deeply fascinating you
    know if you if if you are actually
    interested
    in monetary policy analysis turkey is
    painful to live in but just glorious to
    analyze okay um and I’ve been doing some
    of that recently so um let me plug for
    my own paper um you know we wrot my
    colleagues and I wrote this paper
    analyzing the Turkish inflation and the
    bizarre stuff going on through the lens
    of a new Kian model and said you can do
    this exactly okay the Newan model you
    know we think of as well suited to
    analyze normal policy it actually has
    implications for abnormal policy too and
    turkey shows that those implic are born
    in the data okay
    um
    it’s it really was the proper way of
    thinking about this is that the country
    tried to do NE officiary and
    disinflation even before the ter was
    coined so we tried to keep interest
    rates low to lower inflation because the
    prime minister at the time the president
    now thought that was what the causality
    is right um and this goes back to 2010
    we can date
    it what happened s is the Central Bank
    begins to build in this inflationary
    pressure especially early on the
    technocratic expertise in the central
    bank was very high and the policy makers
    were actually good economists you know
    not policy makers with much backbone so
    they did actually keep interest rates
    low but they did understand what the
    country needed and what they were doing
    was wrong so they found all these ways
    of trying to offset their own policy
    through the back door and that led to a
    package of truly fascinating policies
    like you know we’re going to keep the
    interest rate low but we’re going to
    make the effective rate the interbank
    rate trade in a very wide Corridor and
    we’re going to commit to having the
    variance be very high in that Corridor
    okay so we’re going to go for the second
    moment to offset the first moment very
    long list of really interesting stuff on
    you know things like okay so we’re going
    to lower the interest rate and the
    Corridor is going to be narrow too
    because the government is on to us but
    then this was a scarcity based system
    we’re not going to lend you and the
    banks were like we’re all going to fail
    this a scared system right and said well
    you’ll have to go to the discount window
    so they began to use the discount window
    as a policy tool right all of these
    things are really interesting in trying
    to understand how countries may try to
    substitute essentially fiscal Wizardry
    in the place of decent monetary policy
    it doesn’t work work okay um and by 2021
    after changing five central banks
    governors in two years the president
    found someone who would just do what he
    wanted them to do so you know with the
    target was 5% inflation was 18 at the
    time the Central Bank began to cut
    interest rates you ended up with the
    boom that you saw okay
    now that’s really fascinating but these
    are the kinds of things that constitute
    a colossal enough policy failure that
    generates inflation that is multiples of
    your target okay not the kind of
    policies that we see in the normal um
    emerging Europe all right very good so
    I’m going to end with this that says
    look Switzerland Euro area emerging
    Europe okay if you’re okay understanding
    Switzerland versus Euro area you have no
    problems understanding what was
    happening in emerging Europe one
    continuing question and I’ll I hadn’t
    thought of this actually and working on
    this triggered me so over the next few
    years I think I will work on
    this the emerging Europe always has
    higher inflation than the Euro area it’s
    not very obvious
    why you know is it just price level
    convergence is it something else that’s
    an interesting question but conditional
    on that there is nothing interesting in
    the emerging European inflation it’s
    just the same as elsewhere in Europe
    right so so there you go you know um you
    don’t need to differentiate emerging
    Europe from Europe it’s just one Europe
    right um although um turkey is an
    exception and that’s the exception that
    proves the rule it tells you that you
    know if you’re creating inflation by bad
    policy it doesn’t look like what
    happened in emerging
    Europe inflation shock is the big and
    clearly identified driver of inflation
    in these emerging European countries as
    it is in Ur area countries okay the
    levels are different and that’s a good
    open question that hopefully some other
    people in this room will pick up on as
    well um and that’s all I have to say
    thank you very
    much thank you raet and give the floor
    to Isabel vanin kist from the European
    Central Bank to discuss the paper thank
    you
    so um thank you very much for having me
    here and thank you for asking me to
    discuss a paper of refet I’ve never been
    a d cuss in office but uh I know him for
    many many years so it was a great
    pleasure to read a paper and to be asked
    to formally discuss it as well um the
    disclaimer uh applies also in my case I
    work for ECB but these are um My Views
    that I’m going to present here so I’m
    just going to spend one slide on
    summarizing the paper I’m going to go
    very quickly over this because raet was
    very clear and the conclusions of of the
    paper also um very clear so his finding
    is emerging European countries are not
    so different from from Euro area
    countries this postco inflation surge if
    you look over the 2021 2022 period was
    driven by external shocks and in
    particular the rise in energy and and
    food prices although food was to some
    extent also driven by these Rising
    Energy prices and these CrossCountry
    differences were uh that we see within
    the region let’s say were driven by the
    weight of energy in the consumption
    baskets and then this combination of the
    energy intensity of production and the
    share of imported energy what he calls
    in their one denom or the the energy
    sensitivity and then one last point I
    wanted to pick up in the in the kind of
    main findings is also that the pass
    through it seems at least from the
    results to uh core inflation of these
    shocks was was higher during this period
    than before the
    pandemic just here a chart I I I pinched
    this from an IMF paper but I thought it
    was was nice to see um how inflation
    really developed um between 19 2019 and
    2022 in Europe and I I think you can see
    two things there first is the point that
    Ted was already making that before um
    the shock hit basically inflation in in
    emerging Europe was to some extent a bit
    higher um than in the rest of Europe and
    turkey was already starting to move off
    the charts and then you move to 2022 and
    you you see that really the closer you
    are to Russia I mean the higher your
    inflation was right so and and Turkey um
    nicely is within the group here because
    we didn’t have a separate category which
    was Deep Purple of the charts um
    basically by then um but in the rest of
    my presentation I will leave the turkey
    question aside because I think ref knows
    much much more about this than I do and
    I think it’s really like um you know um
    a case where you say textbook economics
    actually still work so in that sense
    it’s indeed interesting to study um but
    it’s also very sad um to see the
    developments for the country
    itself um so in my discussion I mean
    what I would say first I mean I think
    you know just this this uh conference as
    a whole and and the question that disas
    here is actually an interesting one
    right because um a surgeon inflation is
    very bad for the cost of living it’s
    really um you know bad for for welfare
    but um you know once you see variation
    in the data you can try to understand
    what is actually driving the inflation
    from formation process and what are the
    best policy responses and best
    Frameworks that one has to potentially
    deal with that and so in that sense
    looking at this uh episode is is very
    helpful to for us to understand better
    um what drives inflation
    I mean the paper is very nice it has
    very straightforward results and I find
    it very hard to disagree with anything
    that that reford has written in that um
    it’s simple but clear and clean um so
    basically it’s really for those who want
    to understand what’s going on in
    emerging Europe um really worth to read
    um I’m going to ask a question though is
    it is it the full story right and um an
    implicit question that is also behind
    her is a bit like was there a role for
    policy makers maybe to lower the impact
    of the shock like what what what can
    policy makers learn from that because
    are they just just hit by external
    shocks and that it they should just
    accept that then inflation goes up and
    it passes through to core inflation more
    powerfully so the first question is is
    there a role for for other factors right
    so I mean there cannot be a doubt that
    commodity price shock led to inflation
    in in Europe anyway right so I’m just
    showing here this chart I mean we
    mentioned already a few times before um
    commodity prices went up strongly um in
    particular after the the breakout of the
    war and of course in Europe but really
    stands out is is is this natural gas
    price so these are commodity prices in
    real terms right but I thought it was
    sometimes better to compare than the
    nominal terms where it always all just U
    blows up even compared to the 70s right
    but you can see where Europe already
    would stand out the natural gas price
    was just you know skyrocketing we’ve
    never seen such an increase before so
    you would expect that this has an impact
    on inflation basically right now the
    question is a bit were there other
    factors on this play and and as reford
    already mentioned um in the Euro area we
    you know we made quite of a story also
    about Supply bottlenecks pent up demand
    coming from the pandemic I think in the
    US there’s also the story about
    interaction of physical Andy policy I
    mean there were there were other factors
    that were at play that were at least
    seen at play as like in a counterfactual
    where you wouldn’t have seen this
    commodity price stock we would have seen
    some inflation as well right um so in
    this paper that’s not really coming to
    the FL and one thing where I thought is
    also relevant factor that if you look at
    the oil price for instance the oil price
    started to increase already before the
    war broke out right I mean and that was
    basically just you know the the kind of
    recovery from the pandemic which also
    coincided with the supply bottle and
    expend of demand so you may be just
    wiping up all these factors under this
    commodity price increase overall and so
    in that sense you know you may be
    picking up something but at least for
    for the 2021 period you may not be fully
    picking up that is just this energy
    price increase but there were other
    factors at play right um so there are
    some papers that look at that I think
    you also quote them in the paper for
    instance from from Ben banki and Olivia
    bosar we try to have a more
    comprehensive framework to to analyze
    these factors and I thought maybe that
    could be one way to see whether really
    it’s only the energy prices or are there
    um other factors at play like is
    emerging Europe in that sense different
    from the eura area um for instance that
    you know it’s really only the energy
    price factors that that that play a
    role um a second question I was uh
    wondering is uh why was the impact of
    the shock larger and this is a question
    um that you can also ask in your area
    actually because if you look there as
    well you see the pass through to core
    inflation is much stronger than than
    we’ve seen in the past so ref at Look
    200 2018 2019 but you know if you look
    for your area and I’m sure you’ll find
    the same for emerging Europe if you even
    go further back in time this is like
    really a much stronger pass through than
    we would normally historically have seen
    and that also explains if you look at
    forecast that you know forecast on core
    inflation got it more or less
    systematically wrong I think across
    institutions basically is particular for
    Europe right and so the question is why
    I mean and and and here I think even for
    the Euro area the jury is still a bit
    out there because we have a few theories
    but I thought I throw them here because
    I think it’s really something for for
    further research because understanding
    how inflation uh moves in particular
    when inflation goes up so quickly and so
    strongly um is helpful and the first one
    is a bit of a non-standard one but um I
    don’t know if many of you know the paper
    by Danielle canaman and um co-authors on
    the fairness on price increases right I
    mean and he gives the example if you
    have a snowstorm right and uh people all
    start buying shovels you don’t see um
    prices increasing for shovels you see
    basically that they’re just running out
    of them at some point because it’s seen
    as highly unfair that people on top of
    having to deal with you know this
    snowstorm they have to pay more for
    their shovel right so companies don’t
    thereare to do that I mean if you look
    at the at in particular when the war
    broke out you can kind of see the
    opposite effect right you can think that
    actually across the media it was in the
    war broke out Energy prices are going up
    companies are suffering so much and it
    was perceived potentially as fair that
    companies passed part of this on to
    consumers or at least more than they
    would normally have done so they
    accommodate less so that that’s um
    that’s um one one one factor I think
    that may be very specific to this
    episode because it was so widely
    documented I mean it’s not easy to
    analyze but I think it’s really an
    interesting case study where you could
    say uh does does this kind of theory
    applies a second one and this is um I’m
    I’m going to do like the previous
    discussion quote a bit of my own work
    here um is the the question of of
    nonlinearities right so um we uh did
    some work where we looked at the pass
    through from wages um to um uh headline
    inflation basically um and we look
    basically at um episodes when inflation
    was uh lower in a lower inflation period
    versus a higher inflation period and we
    tend to find in research that um the
    pass through is much higher when you’re
    basically in this kind of higher
    inflation environment generally right
    and we have uh you can think of a number
    of explanations um for that in
    particular when inflation V variability
    is higher it’s easier for companies to
    pass through um shocks because it’s more
    difficult for consumers to to to to
    notice that I mean I always use the
    example of of Japan where you know maybe
    a bar of chocolate cost 100 yen for 10
    years if a company uh increases the
    price it’s very noticeable so consumers
    may switch to uh um basically another uh
    produce or another producer basically
    whereas if there’s a lot of variability
    it kind of goes under and so everybody
    can increase their prices further I mean
    when we did for the Euro area this
    analysis looking not at just wages
    because we had this big shock in in
    input cost we we we just replicated our
    analysis for this shock on input cost we
    found indeed that this this phenomenon
    also applies so so this may be a reason
    why um you have a large impact of the
    shock in the same paper we also looked
    at another factor which is the type of
    shock you have and I think Reit also
    hinted at that it was a supply shock and
    we tend to find that actually pass
    through is higher um when when you have
    a supply shock so that the the pass from
    input costs to uh final um prices is
    basically sh sharper when you have a
    supply than an amount shock so it could
    be that the same factors are at work for
    in merg in Europe I I wanted to actually
    during the weekend just to run
    regressions with uh um um for with the
    same with the data that trevet has been
    using for his paper unfortunately my
    data extraction tool from the ECB was
    failing and it was not available on the
    weekend so but I’m happy to share the
    code so that you know you you could try
    that and use that as an extension in the
    paper but my SU I is that the results um
    would would look broadly
    similar and then a third question that I
    had was um what explains the
    CrossCountry differences so it’s true
    you know first if you put turkey in the
    chart it looks like there’s nobody
    else’s you know they’re all looking very
    close to each other if you take Turkey
    already off the chart and there there is
    some CrossCountry variation and raet was
    mentioning already a few factors but I
    was thinking it could be um helpful in
    particular because you know you didn’t
    really systematically analyze them right
    like uh are there factors important such
    as the role of Central Bank Independence
    um I mean across these countries in the
    region there’s quite some difference
    like does it make a difference or
    doesn’t it matter so much because most
    of them anyway tight themselves to the
    ECB and this is while they may be
    perceived as not being fully independent
    in their laws it doesn’t matter so much
    the second question is the type of
    fiscal support measures I think the
    paper on on emerging Asia uh came into
    that and I can imagine that in these
    region there were also quite a bit of
    fiscal support measures so you know or
    did countries all end up going for the
    same kind of measures and then the final
    question is something that refet hinted
    at um towards the end of his
    presentation is does it matter that you
    had a history of higher versus low
    inflation like why is inflation in
    emerging Europe higher I mean is there
    just underlying factors or is it just
    like a history dependence that that
    starts mattering there but I thought it
    could be interesting to go a bit more
    systematic in terms of analyzing this
    this um these CrossCountry variations
    and particularly the case of Hungary
    where as you mentioned also the the
    macro policy
    um are not always labeled as the
    textbook
    ideals and then finally I know this was
    not a part of the study but I thought a
    look ahead what happened after
    2022 um I think the decline uh um after
    inflation peaked is actually as
    interesting maybe as the studying the
    search itself if not even more but you
    know it’s still developing so it’s too
    early maybe still to say um but it can
    shed a light on some of the other
    questions right so the policy response
    for instance mon policy so eff it kind
    of I was very happy to read that it was
    not the e that was at fault for the
    inflation um but um you know you can
    still you know given the lacks of
    monetary policy you would also not
    expect that after such a shock occurs
    that you would see whether the policy
    response is adequate um in the first two
    years of the shock but you would expect
    to see it a bit further down the line so
    was a policy response adequate also on
    the fiscal side right you had often
    price based but also um income based
    measures so um did that matter and what
    does it mean and basically for the
    return of inflation um another question
    is about Labor product Mar rigidities
    right so of course you know there is a
    very quick up and down but you know you
    can kind of you even in the forecast you
    expect that the tail Fades out much
    slower at um towards uh in the downward
    because of rigidity so can we really see
    that and and is that very present and
    another one I think which is important
    and um triggered at least some
    discussion in Europe as well is the
    importance of Market power right um and
    so I also did some research in that
    regard that shows that you know there is
    um normally inflation variability is
    actually lower when you have uh sectors
    where some companies are more
    concentrated presence because normally
    they price already more to Perfection so
    you know you’re already adjusted
    basically to what the consumer is
    willing to pay um but especially in the
    food industry for instance there were a
    lot of discussions in Europe at some
    point that you know companies were uh
    abusing let’s say their Market power and
    um kept P prices High because of that
    and I think it you know that that kind
    of development given the variability
    we’ve seen in inflation and in the data
    could also help to understand that
    especially also across sectors so I say
    in some an interesting paper and I think
    it’s really a door opener to conduct
    further analysis and research but not
    just because of this paper I think this
    episode just welcomes a lot of questions
    and and can help uh to us to understand
    better what what drives basically
    inflation in particular when we see such
    large
    shocks thank you very much thank you
    Isabel and let me open the floor
    uh actually sorry I should uh uh yeah
    open the floor let me give at least a
    minute to refet
    first let me thank you um very much
    that’s a very good discussion I think
    all points are well taken um very
    quickly um you know was there role for
    policy I think this is not a easy
    question to answer for these countries
    in the sense that so many of them are
    you know have euroz or have currency
    boards or you know hard um exchanged
    fixes that if the question is monetary
    policy they don’t have monetary policy
    so we’re really looking at you know you
    U
    um you know can we look can we do a
    broader
    decomposition if you want to think of
    emerging Europe as effectively you know
    Poland and Hungary those things may be
    done for most of the other countries you
    just don’t have the data okay you know
    there is no you know slack data or
    supply chain anything for bosina or
    Montenegro so um it’s not easy to do the
    full decomposition and then say yes you
    know look Energy prices that’s why I was
    looking at the energy pric and saying
    know this seems to explain it all having
    said that um your point about you know
    perhaps these Energy prices are proxying
    for other things that’s kind of unlikely
    because is the weight of energy in in
    the consumption basket that should not
    be aoxy for a lot of other things other
    than essentially income um but your last
    point I think is really important two
    points are really important one is you
    know why was past through higher uh this
    time around right I think all of your um
    suggested uh reasons are very reasonable
    another one is you know given the war
    this was seen as a more persistent um
    energy price increase and therefore much
    easier to um you know react to in
    increasing prices they didn’t have to
    you know say let’s wait a little bit and
    see whether uh the prices come back down
    or not okay um but your last point of
    what else explains these differences you
    know Central Bank Independence fiscal
    support history of inflation history of
    inflation is a copout answer because
    that then goes back to well why was the
    inflation higher earlier right um
    Central Bank
    Independence somebody should work on
    this right you know EUR area Montenegro
    and C these are all Euro they don’t have
    the same inflation rates they didn’t
    have the same reaction why it cannot be
    Central Bank Independence okay um fiscal
    support I tried to relate things to this
    failed because not easy in particular I
    wanted to say you know perhaps the
    countries that had more fiscal space had
    lower inflation because they could do
    more subsidies okay but measuring fiscal
    space is difficult uh and you can’t just
    do you know let’s look at that to GDP
    right um 40% debt to GDP is nothing for
    some countries it’s a ceiling for some
    other countries a good way of doing this
    is to look at long-term bond yields at
    how the market prices you many of these
    countries don’t have trading bonds so it
    really is a data limitation
    that says great question I actually
    don’t know empirically how to go about
    answering this thank
    you thanks raet let me start with
    a thank you so much um rafet and the
    discussion I think it was a very you
    know very rich paper and I think a very
    rich discussion also um I was really
    struck by one of the charts which you
    showed which was um Energy prices and
    core and then you talked a little bit
    about um you know um you know how what
    what could be the different mechanisms
    and you talked about wages as well um I
    think this so I think this is one of the
    key things you know pass through from
    Headline inflation shocks into core is
    really one distinctive feature of this
    crisis and um I thought you know maybe I
    missed it because you know I haven’t
    read the paper if you could tease that
    out a little bit more um in terms of
    what the mechanism is and you know wages
    are the standard mechanism but you could
    you know I or if you you think about an
    empirical framework where you could test
    for some of some of the mechanisms other
    than wages you can think think about a w
    you can think about core inflation on
    the left hand side wages on the right
    hand side and some of other factors or
    quantify you know what of what portion
    of the pass through was through
    mechanisms other than wages and here I
    think the nonlinearities I think which
    the discussion pointed out also becomes
    more you know more Salient because you
    know demand for example if you look at
    wages also if Energy prices change or if
    costs of living change the demand for
    higher wages are high you know these are
    more Salient for large shocks so I think
    um you know if you could incorporate
    both mechanisms other than wages and at
    least for wages I think some of the
    nonlinearities I think that could be
    interesting thank
    you proceed in this direction
    Antonio just a couple of small comments
    uh mean I think this pass through is an
    is a very interesting question why is it
    stronger this time um again I don’t know
    how much of the energy shock was
    different from previous energy shocks
    does it matter that gas versus oil does
    it feed stronger into the cost of
    companies you I’m not sure what the
    answer is but maybe that explains some
    of what we see there now the other
    things that I mean it’s true that to
    some extent all these central banks
    follow the European Central Bank and you
    say there’s no monetary policy but even
    within the Euro area in particular in
    the early years you clearly had very
    different inflation Dynamics some of
    those seem to be correlated with sort of
    inflation dynamic before the euro was
    launched so again it’s no monetary
    policy but it has to do with the history
    of those countries uh again certainly
    the regressions that I’ve done that
    include all countries the level of
    inflation seems to explain a lot of the
    change in the inflation afterwards now
    could it be that the sum of that left
    even if there is some shadowing of the
    European Central Bank
    yeah Michael
    uh great presentation riet um I had a
    question about the expenditure weights
    how long does it take for these uh
    energy expenditure weights to get
    updated and are they updated on
    consistent time frames across the
    countries in your sample because in the
    US for example takes there’s a
    considerable lag for these expenditure
    weights to get
    updated
    mirco thank you very much it was a very
    interesting uh paper and presentation
    and discussion I just said three main
    questions the first one also related to
    the first paper actually I have not seen
    a a deeper discussion about inflation
    expectations in in all of this and I was
    wondering to to what extent these have
    played a role in in explaining some of
    the variations that we’ve seen across
    countries and across regions um the
    second one is also related to uh the
    point that Isabel made and is about the
    timing because in in uh in your U
    presentation you relate uh let’s say oil
    prices or Energy prices to changes in
    inflation but we’ve seen you know we’ve
    seen a large large swings in in in oil
    prices also before uh the uh the war in
    Ukraine but also we have not seen these
    prices coming down in the same way that
    we’ve seen inflation coming down right
    so I was wondering whether maybe you
    know the time can also help us
    understand some of this uh
    Dynamics and the third point is uh the
    links with the ECB policy and uh and I
    was wondering whether you know these
    countries uh you’ve thought about
    whether these countries should have done
    uh more active interventions and uh in
    in this so if of course you know
    understand you know they have to follow
    thecb policy you have this currency
    board and everything but given that you
    know the shock that uh they were hit
    like it was definitely larger compared
    or the inflation rates they were
    experiencing were higher much higher
    compared the rest of the Euro area was
    there room uh on the side of policy
    makers to do things somewhat different
    not just to Shadow passively uh the uh
    the ECB Monet policy thank you very much
    aan so great uh presentation discussion
    so one thing uh maybe this is a question
    to you G Maria because the first paper
    compared the uh emerging Asia with other
    regions this paper basically focus on
    within Europe uh and then made a
    comparison
    so the I I I thought in the case of uh
    raet he can run exactly the same
    principle component uh exercise which is
    uh easy to do uh with other regions data
    and look at whether it is the case uh
    basically the big story is the you know
    the oil price or the commodity prices uh
    that that will be a kind of comparison
    across uh the these three regions we are
    discussing um the second thing uh raet
    talked about you know maybe they were
    making this big policy mistake actually
    I was thinking the fact that uh other
    than turkey most of them follow the ECB
    I was wondering whether you see ECB a
    kind of good anchor for these economies
    and and actually that led to this
    outcome in terms of uh how they uh
    responded and the third uh issue uh when
    I think about emerging Europe I think
    about really the three big countries
    refet mentioned how large turkey is the
    other one is Poland and the third one is
    uh Russia you did talk about uh turkey
    and then Poland is in the sample I can
    imagine why you excluded Russia but why
    did you do it why don’t you tell us that
    so thank you J and Marie and really
    interesting presentation and discussion
    I wanted to dig in a little bit on the
    labor market side of that thing so a
    really important part of the covid shock
    in the US was a sharp drop in labor
    force
    participation and you had very strong
    demand pushed by monetary and fiscal
    policy against this this reduced labor
    Supply which has been alleviated over
    time by immigration and some rebound and
    labor force participation but I wondered
    whether some of these countries had and
    and maybe their data limitations here
    had different labor market
    experiences so going to the point about
    wages and there were so that there would
    be different pressures across countries
    on uh labor cost because they handled
    the covid shock somewhat differently one
    to another Etc so thank you so just two
    quick points uh the first relates to a
    number of the questions from Antonio
    from ihan and it has to do with uh
    relating the energy price
    shock the intensity of the energy price
    shock to commodity prices I think in
    Europe the effect was larger than what
    you can derive by just looking purely at
    gas prices and oil prices and the reason
    is electricity pricing that electricity
    is priced on the basis in many countries
    of the highest marginal cost
    producer and that is gas so when gas
    prices Skyrocket electricity prices
    Skyrocket in countries even though not
    all electricity is produced by gas so
    you enormously inflate the margins of
    you know wind and solar producers and
    others uh but that has an important infl
    component which you will miss uh if you
    just look at overall commodity prices
    the second is more of a curiosum on uh I
    think your refet your use of Switzerland
    was fascinating and it taught me
    something I was always wondering why uh
    Switzerland sold 150 billion of reserves
    during 22 23 and now I I know my Capital
    flow work I always wondered
    why uh you know it went in that
    direction anyway and fantastic
    presentation and great discussion thank
    you very much uh so I give the floor
    very concisely R please and then we move
    on to the third paper very good thank
    you for the comments All well taken um
    on on energy and core uh whether we can
    do more so my more was looking at the
    energy sensitivity of the production so
    you know right how intensive and how how
    much of that is imported energy right so
    that works and that’s the way to see
    that um you know the pass through is
    directly to core not not only through
    wages okay um um does o gas versus oil
    matter it certainly matters um very
    definitely quantifying that is not very
    easy okay um it really requires a very
    careful study of you know where the
    other end of the gas pipeline is you
    know when is it in Russia versus you
    know azaran or Iran or turkistan or
    whatever okay
    um the energy weight that’s a very good
    point um I worried about that um it’s
    it’s actually something that changes
    very slowly so the energy weight that I
    show here is the 2019 energy weight just
    to be sure that I’m not picking up the
    mechanical effect of but if I did it
    with 2021 22 I would have found more or
    less the same things okay so that’s
    that’s very good um inflation
    expectations look um you know someone
    with my um economic literature
    persuasion that’s the first thing I
    wanted to look at um most of these
    countries don’t have much in that regard
    um at best they have year out inflation
    expectations which tend to be everywhere
    around the world I mean Advanced
    Emerging Markets alike um year inflation
    expectations almost miror current
    inflation so you learn very little you
    want further out inflation expectations
    no such surveys
    um um then there was the links with the
    ECB policy could they have done more I
    don’t know I mean if you are if you
    uised or if you have fixed to me unless
    you’re going to go in your independent
    way there isn’t much you can do on the
    monetary policy side there’s certainly
    scope in the fiscal policy side um and
    these countries were somewhat
    differentiated in that regard but
    understanding fiscal policy is much more
    difficult because it’s buried in a huge
    budget and they are very good at not
    being for coming about what exactly they
    were doing there okay um is the ECB a
    good anchor well um I’ll let um Isabel
    answered that question um although I I
    thought ECB actually did well and these
    countries benefited from having anchored
    to the ECB um why not Russia that’s
    actually a very good question um but um
    I’m I’m just not um tooled up enough to
    distinguish the direct effect of the war
    on Russia from other things um someone
    should do it that’s not my expertise in
    particular the questions of right you
    know the abundance for example is we
    talked about this for for Antonio’s
    paper that’s really applicable for
    Russia right you know these people were
    exporting energy they couldn’t they had
    a you know insane circle of of energy
    what did that do to the Russian prices
    and Russian product production it’s a
    great question not one for me but you
    know why don’t you take that one um and
    then um on the countries having
    different labor market conditions Point
    very well taken I don’t know I may be
    able to know this or not I don’t even
    know whether it’s an answerable
    question um jam Mar’s electricity
    pricing absolutely right you know
    Albania is a net electricity exporter
    and that’s why right um Switzerland
    produces electricity through Renewables
    and um hydr Power that’s why these
    countries were able to control the price
    so tightly and it really made all the
    difference thank
    you okay thanks a lot let’s move
    directly to the last paper I’m sorry we
    don’t take a break but uh that would
    mean we have a bit a bit more time to to
    uh chat over lunch um and it is Juan
    Pablo M Medina who’s gonna tell us about
    the Latin American Experience thank you
    okay thank you J Maria uh for the
    invitation and for the opportunity to be
    here uh uh is a joint work with Juan
    Marco vasu from the Central Bank of
    Chile so the usual disclaimer appli in
    the case of him uh so uh as we discussed
    in the first two so the the inflation
    rise uh during the last uh after covid
    was very uh important concern uh in many
    countries
    but for Latin America it’s a fundamental
    test I would say because we have a past
    record of many history of high inflation
    so has been a progress so this was a
    fundamental moment and several question
    arise uh what are the empirical Trends
    in in Latin America regarding inflation
    before and after covid how this trend
    compared to with other episode and with
    Advanced economy uh and how do Supply
    shocks uh or energy price shocks and
    food price shocks translate to core
    inflation and how different is Latin
    America in this regard uh what are the
    role of a monetary policy in during this
    period so uh of course as Antonio and
    also refet mentioned sometime due to the
    data limitation sometime the sample for
    each of these question are different In
    the comparison we don’t have the same
    data for all the sign of the country so
    and and as um J Maria mentioned in the
    morning so we uh in this presentation
    and in the draft we try to summarize
    resol across Latin American countries in
    some way taking medium average and
    comparing that with Advanced economy of
    course this approach high heterogenity
    as and this is important to keep in mind
    okay um so I going to try to touch in
    four levels H and this is going to be a
    um a very short preview of our also we
    have some idea of the gradual
    convergency of Latin American inflation
    in levels volatility in CPI composition
    and uh similar to what we observe in
    advanced economy and that didn’t stop
    during the pandemic that is important so
    it looked like the advanced economy so
    uh earlier before the pandemic Latin
    America was converging to from the top
    to below to Advanced economy and during
    the pandemic occur the opposite was the
    advanced economy seems converging to
    Latin America records uh the composition
    of the D Factor so we I tried to we
    tried to look for other inflation search
    episode uh we look 2006 2008 and was the
    intensity of course was kind different
    but the driving Factor were different so
    in the in the earlier episode was more
    due to excess of demand and relative
    price shocks and this episode was more
    related with what we obtain more related
    with the Persistence of inflation and
    the rise of inflation expectation uh uh
    and and and and and that is also
    important and then we we look for the
    propagation of Supply shocks and and and
    these shocks T to be more in this
    propagation tend to be more intense in
    Latin America compared to Advanced
    economy and that is related with some
    nity effects so you’re going to see that
    this is especially true when infl high
    headline inflation is high or inflation
    expectation are high uh and as many
    already you know and you notice the
    reaction of Latin America policy uh
    monetary policy was was different in
    this episode and in this episode uh you
    can see that is no particular in this
    episode is regularly that the monetary
    policy in Latin America is more
    influenced by inflation expectation and
    but us monetary policy okay and these
    two things rationalize part not all of
    the what happened in this resent cycle
    of monetary policy uh so that is the the
    the preview and then I uh so there is a
    very uh I going to so I Tred to connect
    with three typ of literature so
    analysing the episode there is a lot of
    for advanced economy the propagation of
    Supply shocks or propagation of any
    inflationary shocks there is a lot and
    the city monetary policy reaction in
    emergy economies also there is a lot I
    try to connect with this three dimension
    uh so after this introduction I going to
    try to show some the inflation patterns
    in Latin America and try to compare with
    Advanced economy so that is uh what I
    said uh and then the transmission of
    Supply shocks to core inflation so uh
    and then monetary policy reaction and
    then I going to conclude um so we are
    going to compare inflation rates in
    Latin America with Advanced economy we
    use uh different database so there is a
    database by an Coors uh with are very
    comprehensive we also use a database
    collected by by the colleagues of the
    central banks they have less country but
    what one interesting thing this the
    harmonized CPI basket so they go a very
    disaggregated level to try to make an
    harmonization using the eurostat H
    procedure and they also interesting they
    can separate core inflation in goods and
    in services that is something very
    interesting to look at uh and
    and uh so uh and then we with that
    harmonized database we also try to look
    for this question of the weights on the
    CPI component try to understand looking
    to the restent episode uh and try to
    look for the inflation expectation and
    try to make a Philip Square estimation
    to try to understand the driving forces
    of the recent episode compared to
    another episode so in the next slide I
    going to have the inflation rate in
    advance
    blue and Latin America red uh these uh
    also have the shed area indicate the 2
    5% percenti and the 75% so there is
    heterogenity of course uh so let’s for
    example here you can see the headline so
    there was more disp in Latin America
    compared to Advanced economy but you see
    the convergency there less but in the
    recent episode it seems that uh
    for headline Advanced economy compared
    to the record in that Latin America
    usually have interesting uh in the case
    of energy you see and probably that is
    we didn’t touch in the detail regarding
    this regulation of energy prices but you
    see that in Latin America you see that
    is more stable inflation inflation
    energy that compared with Advanced
    economy especially in the recent episode
    in food you see the opposite you see
    more variation uh and but again in the
    recent episode it looks similar core
    inflation there is a gap but this Gap
    didn’t wide out uh during the recent
    past H episode so you see this
    convergency okay uh so and and using
    this is using the the hangos database we
    use try to look inside the core
    inflation separating service and goods
    and we use the database so the sample is
    different so the S the sample of Latin
    American country Advanced economy is
    different the but we try to look inside
    and what is increasing is also
    surprising again the convergency is
    there as well when you look core and
    service I mean core inflation in goods
    and in service you you see that there
    has been was an increase in after the in
    some moment of the inflation in Goods in
    the left hand side and and then a fall
    in the recent period this data
    uh the advantage of this that has been
    updated until February of the Year from
    from the Central Bank of Chile so and
    then you see what is the concern that in
    many Advanced economy that is also a
    concern Latin American country you see
    the inflation in service is still above
    what is the typical Target and and and
    and they they look similar the the
    pattern in the recent period okay um so
    try to look with this weights in the
    harmonized cpis you uh notice this is an
    average in the recent period of the
    weights so H fe fi T is food it’s not
    exactly the same classification in the
    other database that you have because
    it’s has food alcohol and tobacco as a
    whole component industrial goods that
    are not H that are the the core Goods
    energy separated and services and what
    you can see here you have two for
    a median set of country you have uh the
    own weights and the Euro Zone weights
    okay so what is interesting at least for
    for us was to notice that of course
    there is different with thean median
    Latin American country and advanced
    economies in this sample but as you said
    food is more important in Latin America
    than in in in Europe but it’s not that
    big difference uh you you can see that h
    energy doesn’t look so different
    industrial world as well you not is more
    different for the rest of emerging
    economies in this sample that they have
    so you notice more different in the last
    row you see that the the food is 10%
    difference in the weight you have uh the
    the the own weights or the euroson
    weights and then you see the other
    difference is and the other side is in
    Services servic is less important for
    the own weight in the other but Latin
    America doesn’t look so the for that
    reason for that reason we say that there
    is also a conver in the composition of
    the CPI basket and the case of Latin
    America and we don’t observe that in
    other emerging market economies and with
    this weight we try to make AUM in the
    recent period okay for Latin America and
    for for the other H set of countries and
    this is a a a chart that tried to ER DEC
    compose this so the the the first panel
    is the inflation increase from the last
    quarter 2019 to the peak okay and the
    first bar contained the using the on
    weights and then the second bar contain
    what is using the aone weights so you
    you see that the increase has been slow
    smaller when you use the aoson weights
    but it’s still you don’t see much
    difference and probably you see that
    there is food play an important role
    using the own weights compared to using
    the own weights and but there is no big
    differ in the fall in the decrease from
    the peak to the maximum decrease is also
    you don’t you don’t see again the food
    uh and alcohol and tobacco plays a role
    you don’t see much different the other
    thing interesting that you if you take
    the difference in the February level of
    annual inflation and compared to what
    was the level in the last quarter of
    2019 the overall because the number
    sorry I didn’t mention that the the
    average Latin American country in this
    sample is using the own way is 3% above
    the level of inflation that was previous
    to the pandemic okay and most of that is
    explained by
    Services the the the contribution of
    energy is low and the contribution of of
    the other things are very small and that
    result remain the same when you look you
    use theone weights okay uh this
    difference uh in the draft is because
    due to the time I don’t have time but
    it’s done by the advanced economy also
    for the rest of emerging economy and
    then you see for the mer economy these
    difference are quite more substantial
    especially in the in the reduction phase
    okay but they they don’t share this last
    result that overall the inflation is not
    in average Is Not So Different be to the
    level that your Ser previous to the
    covid okay um uh inflation expectation
    that something so we we this again this
    a sample difference we don’t have from
    consensus forecast the consens forecast
    doesn’t have the 12 month ahead
    inflation forecast what they have in the
    mo in the year of the survey they asked
    for the December forecast of inflation
    of this year and the next year and with
    that we create a series of 12 making
    extrapolation so is there is a there is
    no directly the data but you can see
    that again what I showed you before that
    this convergency of Latin America is
    still is very evident also in the in the
    inflation expectation that advanced
    economy seems converging to From Below
    in the recent period to uh what is uh
    the uh the typical expectation in Latin
    American countries okay so I try to to
    pick this and try to ask Anton try to do
    is a Philips curve I use I didn’t use a
    output an employment rate I use an
    output Gap use with a h PR filter that
    also have many problems uh sometime but
    uh but I try to do it just for the sake
    of comparison and to to make the same
    procedure to to compute and we tried to
    to compute this uh F scare and what is
    surprising that there is a many control
    here there is time effects there’s
    Country Fix effects and and there is a
    panel different for five Latin American
    country like five that are Brazil
    Colombia Chile Mexico and Peru and for
    uh
    17 ER set of advanced economy and what
    is important is uh when you separate
    this with this harmonized database core
    Goods you you can see that the role of
    inflation expectation is important this
    variable that we have particular for
    each country is important to explain the
    the and also you see s output Gap not
    always significant you see it some
    persistency role of La inflation
    especially for COD core goods for Latin
    American countries uh you see the
    different for the core Goods uh and and
    core service in Latin America you don’t
    see top much difference regarding
    Advanced economy but and what is
    interesting that the only feedback
    because we have the control
    also many controls and also the the
    headline shocks that Mia was mentioned
    so we have the food price shocks in this
    we have the energy price shocks as well
    the pass but it’s important that ination
    with the core goods and service will
    also put the lack inflation of the
    opposite component of the ER CP the core
    CPI so for the core Goods we have the
    lack core inflation in services and that
    is the only thing I show you here what
    was significant that in the case of
    Latin America and this occurred not only
    in the resent episode it was regularly
    happening that each time that
    the Ser inflation in Services increase
    there is a tendency to a fall in goods
    and there is talk about some relative
    price adjustment probably that is
    occurring in Latin America that you
    don’t observe significantly this that
    effects in uh uh Advanced economy uh and
    with that we try to make AUM with this
    regression that have point esate so uh
    here we have the bar with the
    composition and the mention here is with
    the core inflation in Goods so you see
    the comparison the first bar are the
    episode that I mentioned in 2006 2009
    and then you see that increase in in
    that episode was 2% was much much
    smaller than what occurrent and and and
    then you see that the diving factor most
    was more like a the the blue and and
    green relative to the 2% that are the
    output Gap another price shocks in this
    recent episode for Latin America you see
    that you have the persistency a a higher
    role and also uh uh the inflation
    expectation uh and and you see also
    again that the comparison with Advanced
    economy and again remember that this
    estimation is separated the coefficient
    are estimated separated for the Latin
    American country for the advanced
    economy so the coefficient are different
    uh so but then you see that the the
    composition are not so different with
    Advanced economy is smaller than intense
    what you have in the last bar uh but but
    the composition is quite similar so the
    the role probably what one different is
    the relative price CH chocks that are
    the green bar here that are energy
    probably in the case of advanced economy
    that doesn’t play an important role in
    the case of H core Goods in Latin
    America but also the red bar is this com
    common component okay okay so still this
    global factor are important explained
    even in the previous episode and
    different episode Latin America the same
    you can do the same for the service that
    I did and again some difference emerge
    regarding what is is done in the
    previous case but you can you can see uh
    that again the common factor the time
    fix effects are important and the
    inflation expectation are very important
    in the recent episode also previously
    and and and that’s sort of say that
    again there is some difference at least
    in Latin America regarding other episode
    that was more driven by uh price shocks
    and uh and excess of demand in the
    previous in this period was more
    persistency and inflation expectation uh
    so let me try to go to this transmission
    or propagation of Supply shocks uh to
    core inflation so the idea is pass
    through of energy price shocks to cor
    CPI uh and try to do this kind of bar
    creation so try to compute additional
    effects under high pass headline
    inflation so that that we control for
    past headline inflation but also we make
    the interaction what is the effects of
    the same price sh energy price shocks
    when the head high headline inflation is
    high okay and for each country we made
    this procedure ER I don’t know was used
    for our gorenko regarding try to compute
    the fiscal multiplier different
    dependent of cycle here in instead of
    being dependent of the growth of the GP
    is based on the headline inflation of
    each country okay uh and then H we are
    going to compute this uh so I first I
    going to do it simple just so this
    regation have is a panel again separated
    Advanced economy Latin American economy
    we have several control time fix effects
    uh and it’s important because in in a
    previous H estimation
    that come up in this discussion that uh
    if you don’t control for Time effects in
    the case of a economy you’re going to
    see that there is a higher increase in
    the pass through of energy to uh to cor
    inflation but when you control for Time
    effects that take all that that effect
    so that’s important when you include the
    time effects uh you get that so so and
    the what you expect I don’t know for for
    for this part I wasn’t so the the red
    line is Latin American America and then
    you see that the path through of energy
    price shock to core after all the
    control is higher okay and clearly
    higher uh in the case of Latin America
    okay and you can do it again separating
    sample okay try to to take a a sample
    between 2000 2011 between 20 2012 and
    and the last data that we have in 20
    23 and you don’t see much the difference
    so
    taking the and again the the result
    survives in the idea that the pass
    through is higher in Latin America and
    it doesn’t look much different now than
    in the previous sample okay after
    remember after that you control for Time
    effects that is what you you get uh
    inside each group of country okay if you
    do it again separating goods and
    services the same result emerg so this
    result is robust so you do it the pass
    through in goods and services again
    again Latin America have a higher p
    through that in the case of advanced
    economy okay so regarding this
    additional effects so the idea is you
    make the interaction so you make the
    interaction what is the additional
    effects under so the Basel line here is
    the environment of low inflation for
    each country so each country have the
    the variation of inflation so each
    country is measured with the own uh
    temperature measure of inflation so it’s
    no absolute levels is relative for each
    country so an environment of flow
    inflation is the Baseline estimation and
    on top of that there is additional
    effects okay and this is estimation of
    the additional effects and that it
    related that that explain a little bit
    that this additional effects is higher
    in Latin America when the inflation is
    high headline inflation the past
    headline inflation is high and this
    effect is not present in advanced
    economy okay and then you see still you
    see a in s Horizon long Horizon a
    quarter you see that when the inflation
    High headline inflation is high you tend
    to see a smaller path through okay
    relative to the base in advanced economy
    and then you observe the opposite in
    Latin American countries uh surprise for
    surprise of us we didn’t we did the same
    for the full price shocks and we didn’t
    find much different regarding Latin
    America and advanced
    economy but we do find that we make also
    interaction regarding the high headline
    inflation and we don’t see much
    different that is the additional effects
    but when the inflation expectation are
    high these sh price shocks propagate
    more intensively in Latin America and
    then you don’t observe this phenomenon
    in the case of Advan economy so there is
    something regarding again that many
    people mention but probably this is not
    test but there is something regarding
    the credibility of monetary policy in
    Latin America compared to advanc economy
    there is something that uh for the
    reason we we try to do the last exercise
    is try to make try to rationalize the
    monetary policy reaction in Latin
    America compared to Advanced economy and
    again due to the to the data that we
    collect we Tred to we prove many things
    and we um and also following the idea of
    Antonio and Steven kaming present uh we
    we have this idea try to to understand
    the changes in the recent episode of
    monetary policy so the rise of monetary
    policy rates in this period and another
    period that was the the boom of
    inflation that was I mentioned 2006
    2008 uh and Tred to compare the uh again
    the average of Brazil Chile Colombia
    Mexico and Peru with a set of advanced
    economy okay and uh this our estimation
    is not a standard one because I using
    quartly data no it’s a cross-section
    it’s a quar data but I try to explain
    the change in monetary policy usually
    estimation is with the level try to I
    try to explain so we put core inflation
    output Gap inflation expectation one
    year ahead the same data that I show you
    and also the change in this variable
    okay uh Country Fix effects and and and
    and and that those element and that’s is
    the estimation again separating the five
    Latin American country the fight
    Advanced country and what is very
    interesting is the sensity to the change
    change on inflation expectation Latin
    America is quite big compared to
    Advanced economy okay so react the
    changes in monetary policy tend to
    follow more intensively the change in
    inflation expectation and you don’t
    observe that in advanced economy you see
    some reaction some dimension of Contra
    cyclicality with this measure of output
    Gap with h Prescot that you you see also
    americ country and as you see also in
    advanced economy but what is striking is
    this different reaction in term of H
    inflation expectation okay uh so we try
    I Tred to look the average change in
    monetary policy in Latin American
    country in the panel a is the period
    between the third quarter 2006 to the
    third quarter 2008 and then this is
    increases in this each quarter of the
    rate and then the blue line is the
    actual average increase and the red is
    the prediction of the equation okay in
    the previous episode of Boom inflation
    it seems that monetary policy was a
    little behind the curve in in using this
    equation uh in uh in the recent episode
    it looks I don’t know it follow
    something but no probably the intensity
    or the timing is not exactly the same in
    the in the increasing pH but then when
    you have to easy a little bit the the
    break H the the prediction is it call
    for a more mod monetary policy and you
    don’t observe that in the data why why
    happened
    that uh and the typical two things that
    H all the Latin American concern is uh
    one could be the US monetary policy what
    happened with the US monetary policy and
    we tried two different approaches so we
    try to include also the past changes in
    the own monetary policy rate the past
    changes in the us monetary policy and
    also another specification that have the
    difference between the own monetary
    policy rate and the US policy probably
    that means uh you you should include
    thechange rate what happened once you
    includes the inflation
    expectation the exchange rate never
    appear in this specification of tailor
    rule always capture everything the
    inflation expectation we didn’t do it I
    I thought it but I I couldn’t do it try
    to make the connection between how
    sensitive are inflation expectations to
    the exchange rate but I I didn’t do it I
    I should have do it uh but this that so
    uh and also the comparison sorry also
    the comparison with the the this panel
    reproduce what I showed you in the
    previous slide but also the average
    change in monetary policy in advanced
    economy in the F of economies with the
    equation that estimate and and then you
    see that in the early phase of rising
    was the estimation as for a higher rate
    but then you cannot explain that it has
    been lower in increasing afterwards that
    when it was slowing down in that part
    but I I include that and and just with
    this I going to try to uh end uh there
    is two specification one in all these
    two new specification include the past
    changes in monetary policy on each
    country but also the change in the first
    two columns the change in the uh the
    past change in monetary policy in us and
    what is important is and here I include
    I exclude us so we have four countries
    here Advanced economy that I mentioned
    and and the Latin the five Latin
    American country and then what you say
    see here is that role is more intense in
    Latin America than in other Advanced
    economy and when you you also consider
    the difference between your own rate
    with the the the the monetary polic rate
    in US that effect also is bigger in the
    case of Latin America and that can help
    to reproduce the idea that in the early
    episode The the increase in the rate was
    higher expecting with the rule but when
    you include this you are getting closer
    not exactly closer but you are getting
    in in the gra is that graph is included
    and also in the recent episode when you
    when you you expect a lowering or easing
    the the monetary policy rate or the
    magnitude you can explain a little bit
    better that phase okay so that is uh I
    with that I going to conclude okay so
    there is two main four main message so
    Latin America inflation has exp a rem
    remarkable conversion and stabilization
    the last few decades alignment with the
    advanced economy and level and
    volatility uh convergence continue
    surprisingly continue postco and also
    converence into advanc in composition
    the CPI basket that that you observe uh
    that in other set of emerging economies
    C inflation rise during was clearly more
    severe than during the the other episode
    that doesn’t occur in many other part of
    the world and in the in the previous
    episode the KE driver was output Gap and
    price shocks the CR drivers uh on on and
    was in the recent episode was persistent
    inflation uh expectation the uh still in
    both epod the subti contribution of
    factor captur for the time effects the
    third message is the transmission of INF
    shocks is more intense in Latin America
    uh more propagation observe when
    inflation headline inflation or
    inflation expectation are high uh so
    this a a concern that maybe we we are
    happy that we controlled inflation the
    previous year and we are so lucky that
    we don’t have to keep pushing a little
    bit the role of Central Bank
    Independence and many other things
    institutional Factor this is a ring of
    alert I mean regarding that we still
    have potential to enhance more the
    monetary policy credibility in our
    countries okay and monetary policy uh in
    Latin America react more to inflation in
    cost us to advanc economy to more to
    inflation expectation and to us monetary
    policy the first Factor help to explain
    why central banks raise the rate faster
    and more aggressively during the 22 and
    22 um 21 and 22 and and the second
    Factor contribute to understand the
    lower normalization of the monetary
    policy rate since mid 2022 okay thank
    you thank you Juan Pablo and I’ll
    discuss is Ian course
    thank you J Maria for inviting me it’s
    great to be here uh discussing this
    paper uh Jia sent me an email asking me
    which region I would like to discuss and
    I said I don’t have any preference and
    he picked Latin America because I am
    from Latin America you know in some
    circles turkey is considered a Latin
    American country but uh uh I think based
    on what Juan Pablo said and based raet
    said I think turkey is in a now
    different group it’s not in Latin
    America anymore it’s not in emerging
    Europe it’s somewhere I don’t know where
    it is now uh so
    the this paper the Juan Pablo and ju
    Marcos wrote a very comprehensive uh uh
    I have some ltin American Central
    Bankers I asked them in in in in our
    group uh to look at the paper
    uh guo is here emilano I think is online
    and I also ask my longtime collaborator
    on these issues John G he happens to be
    ex Central Banker as well so they they
    contributed to my discussion now um let
    me try to summarize the paper as uh ju
    Pablo uh cover the ground um a lot of
    things going on in this space
    the idea is to take the Latin American
    countries and compare with advanced
    economies over the past two decades if
    you realize he said something at least
    three times he said advanced economies
    converging to Latin American countries
    in inflation Dan con is here Steve is
    here you see what’s called the world is
    upside down now at man econom is
    converging to Latin American count so so
    during this period this past two decades
    there’s low and stable inflation in
    Latin America there’s significant
    commodity price volatility Global
    financial crisis and of course the
    co9 um the paper uses multiple
    methodologies actually uh this is
    estimation of uh Philips curve uh there
    are some estimations of these local
    projections
    models and then there is this you know
    the kind of the tailor rule estimations
    a set of those and the other thing the
    paper does it uses multiple databases
    but multiple samples that’s very more
    important actually the multiple
    databases U so this is a very ambitious
    draft uh if you want to learn about uh
    Latin American inflation and think
    through uh uh these issues uh it is it
    is I think very uh clear value added so
    I was thinking about what are the main
    results I’m going to focus on the four
    of them and simplify them first uh about
    the convergence of inflation there’s a
    clear result that inflation whether you
    look at the level or the volatility in
    the region uh converge to that in
    advanced
    economies um the second the drivers of
    inflation they uh the paper looks at
    this you know what happened 2122
    and there the kind of the story is there
    is this uh Persistence of inflation that
    this lack effect and the rise in
    inflation expectations this both related
    to core but the different components of
    core that explains the surge in
    inflation uh so the third result is
    about the uh response what the kind of
    the what what are the variables uh
    driving
    uh there are these inflationary shocks
    taking place in advanced
    economies uh that play a kind of an
    important role in basically uh Latin
    American
    inflation and um that that even kind of
    the more important when you think about
    uh periods of high
    inflation uh in the past or uh High
    inflation
    expectations and finally the paper also
    looked at Monetary
    policy uh and there the big result is
    really uh how important inflation
    expectations and uh us interest rates I
    think all in all uh you know the rich uh
    set of results uh clear as I said value
    added to this literature um
    the I’m going to focus on four issues
    here the first one is this convergence
    of lack inflation and what basically led
    to this
    outcome I’m going to say that probably
    that’s temporary and driven by U some
    policy changes and good changes in the
    region uh if it is not temporary it will
    require actually Latin American central
    banks do something about it second uh
    the as much as you know we would like to
    think about inflation role of the past
    inflation uh the consumption baskets Etc
    and the monetary policy you know how uh
    it it
    responds uh we would like to focus on
    certain models that are going to give us
    something about the fundamental shocks
    in that sense my discussion is going to
    be somewhat similar to what PR said and
    Isabelle said you would like to see you
    know a discussion of Supply demand uh
    commodity prices external shocks uh
    domestic shocks and then third uh and uh
    ju Pablo uh alluded to this uh when I
    think about inflation and monetary
    policy
    response you know the currency
    depreciations or appreciations play a
    significant role in emerging markets and
    the this is a kind of a uh top top of
    Mind issue in emerging market economies
    nowadays um um and finally I will uh
    make some uh uh suggestions about the
    paper uh for the next draft so first let
    me talk about the convergence of
    inflation so I have yes uh during this
    episode and prior to that there was a
    convergence U But ultimately this
    convergence is probably driven by how uh
    Frameworks in uh monetary policy making
    and how much room central banks uh given
    in terms of you know uh Implement
    monetary policy uh over the past I would
    say three decades in the region and uh
    our work shows when countries basically
    adopt inflation targeting become more
    independent in terms of the central
    banks uh inflation tends to come down
    that’s a basically Universal result uh
    but they are going to basically take it
    very seriously they’re not going to be
    uh independent or having inflation
    Targets on paper uh I think that’s what
    happened in the case of Latin America
    that’s why inflation expectations become
    so important to explain uh monetary
    policy response the second issue is that
    uh it might be true actually let
    American countries inflation converge to
    the inflation advanc economies but if
    that’s the case uh they need to do
    something about inflation targets
    because you know uh in advanced
    economies inflation targets are around
    2% when I look at uh Latin American
    countries you see it on the left uh uh
    targets around 3 and a half four uh even
    you know close to 4 and a half% so the
    the uh the this observation about
    convergence has an implication if it is
    true down the road um in terms of what
    should be the Target in the in the
    region should Target should be lower if
    it is truly you know uh similar to
    Advanced economy inflation levels now
    the second uh observation uh what are
    the drivers of inflation or the response
    of monetary
    policy now the paper has these exercises
    one is a Philip scure exercise another
    one is a local projections and another
    one is a tailor
    rule um the these exercises look at the
    drivers of inflation and drivers of
    policy interest rates in the
    region and they bring a lot of uh good
    results uh but I was thinking maybe it’s
    better to use a kind of a framework it
    could be just a you know same framework
    actually for all these questions uh Juan
    Pablo focusing on that could be a
    structure V model with well defined
    restrictions that will
    help um in a sense to uh uncover these
    fundamental
    shocks in an integrated approach and
    then answer questions how important are
    the demand and Supply shocks how
    important are external shocks versus
    domestic shocks commodity prices uh
    Global rates interest rates terms of
    trade exchange rates and uh we worked
    with different uh uh versions of these
    types of models and they are very uh in
    a sense flexible you can have a global
    block you can have a domestic block you
    can have a multicountry model let me
    give you some examples using the results
    in this uh paper so
    for example there is this result the
    recent surge in inflation was driven by
    inflation expectations whether it is the
    core whether it’s the services or the
    goods uh I will ask you know the that
    result is a good result but the the
    question is that uh what’s going on
    fundamentally is it because some Supply
    disruption there or uh that leads to you
    know the the supply shock or there is a
    demand shock because fiscal policy uh
    plays a role U Juan Pablo did not
    discuss for example the kind of the role
    of fiscal policy or other interventions
    during this period and there were you
    know many of those there another result
    for result about the role of output Gap
    uh that contributed less to inflation uh
    during this period than uh 2006 2008
    cycle which is kind of a you know the
    counterintuitive but uh the the bottom
    line is that again what was the driving
    force of that output Gap that led to
    basically uh movement in inflation and
    then that again pushes you to a corner
    to think about the demand and supply and
    you know the other
    factors the result about monetary policy
    again relates to inflation expectations
    which is a great result it’s a success I
    think of monetary policy in the region
    but there as well
    uh the what is the kind of the
    underlying uh Source uh this might come
    across as a kind of a non-traditional
    exercise decomposing the policy rates
    but there is a lot to be learned we are
    working on an exercise like this one
    nowadays so uh I think it will be useful
    to to think about um a kind of
    integrated framework to bring together
    these different
    questions the third observation
    which P mentioned the role of uh
    currency
    movements so uh in terms of explaining
    monetary policy but as well as
    inflation um the paper talks about you
    know inflation expectations the
    commodity prices the US interest rates
    they all they’re all relevant to explain
    inflation and monetary policy uh
    responses these are in different
    sections of the paper but the the big
    issue is that how important is the uh is
    the you know the the the currency and
    the MS in currency in fact we looked at
    this issue in the context of what
    happened in
    2022 um and um there is a big difference
    in countries they had uh you know double
    digit uh depreciations in terms of how
    much inflation increased uh in that year
    versus those they just had a single
    digit depreciation so ultimately uh in
    some cases this p through so large that
    uh translated into much higher
    inflation in a different exercise we
    also looked at you know the how the
    policy interest rates in emerging
    developing economies respond to uh the
    depreciations if these are especially
    large depreciations and the you see the
    on the right uh the monetary policy does
    respond uh and and that response
    actually gets larger over
    time so finally as I said this is uh as
    a draft paper uh the what can the next
    draft do the paper is very rich uh uh in
    the current draft uh there are 11
    questions in the introduction my
    suggestion is to reduce the number of
    question and be very aggressive uh when
    I say reduce I mean
    80% uh and the second I think a lot of
    results uh uh some of these results uh
    the show uh the kind of the you might
    think that you know the uh the the the
    composition the inflation basket how
    that’s composed is important but then
    you basically undertake all these
    exercises you see that maybe it’s not
    that important so the maybe those
    results can be in an appendix but the
    you can focus on the strongest set of
    results I really like the results about
    for example inflation how they it
    relates to uh inflation expectations
    monetary policy how it relates to
    inflation expectations because there’s a
    very nice consistent uh narrative that
    comes out of uh those those sections and
    I think I find those parts of the paper
    very actually strong and then there’s
    this multiple samples uh and databases I
    think databas is fine but it’s very
    important to keep the sample same from
    one section to another or within the
    that section especially the sample uh
    comparison this Advanced economy sample
    also changing not not just the lack
    sample and the finally the the the I
    think one could do look at just two
    three headline results and undertake
    quite a bit of robustness around those
    headline results that will lead to uh I
    think a much richer uh in a sense uh uh
    uh outcome so what is the big summary
    here uh if you would like to understand
    lack inflation over the past uh 2 and a
    half decades uh Juan Pablo and Marcus
    put together a very ambitious piece uh
    and and really the kind of uh super rich
    in terms of the data in terms of the
    models uh and compared it with advanced
    economies uh a lot of striking results I
    think I did not realize how much
    actually Latin America has made progress
    when it comes to inflation and how in a
    sense uh close the gap with uh Advanced
    economy inflation in that sense there is
    clear value added uh in this paper um
    but the bigger uh uh point
    is we need to conduct more research or
    on lack and uh Emerging Market
    developing economies inflation and
    monetary policy there I’m going to stop
    being a discussion and uh have my hat
    being a promoter uh so the uh we uh have
    extensive work program in the World Bank
    on this issue uh there are many reasons
    for that but uh really ultimately uh in
    emerging developing economies unless you
    have price stability and a well defined
    monetary policy
    framework difficult to see uh sustained
    growth and we have uh you know analysis
    showing that so we are working
    a number of uh projects U with these ex
    Central Bankers in our unit some of
    these results uh presented in our work
    uh this week on Thursday we are going to
    release the new commodity markets
    Outlook and it’s going to talk about
    recent developments in commodity markets
    and consequences of those developments
    for inflation so let me stop there thank
    you thank you ihan um we are running a
    bit late so I’ll collect
    questions uh I I want to give the floor
    for a moment to Juan Paulo to respond
    let’s try to be concise both on the
    responses and the questions as well
    thank you okay thank
    you very nice discussion uh yes I agree
    with most of them uh yes regarding the
    focus my my
    fault I will say that it’s my fault try
    to put too many too many things on the
    plate uh maybe I to don’t have a
    narrative regarding the yes in the in
    the end I I realized that yes you make
    the estimation but you don’t know if
    this coefficient of this variable is the
    chocks or there is something behind the
    that is moving that variable so I have
    to think a little deeper on that uh uh
    regarding what is driving the the result
    uh behind this variable that is capture
    many other things that are changing over
    the so that will will say that that is
    uh my reaction
    in general but I will take and
    comment okay let’s let me go this time
    from the other side
    francisa thank you very briefly i’ like
    the services and goods distinction
    because so much of energy and food
    prices is actually services nontradable
    so this is nice um one question in Latin
    America in a way is a bit like a Asia
    with a lot of heterogenity across
    countries you’ve got got Colombia and
    Indonesia that are energy exporters and
    would have benefited you’ve got
    Guatemala Costa Rica you’ve India energy
    importers who would have suffered from
    the global Energy prices did you explore
    that
    hogen hi thank you very nice
    presentations H you highlighted the
    difference in transmission mechanisms
    from Headline shocks to core in Latin
    America and the role of inflation
    expectations just a couple of questions
    one is if you had done the exercise of
    trying to quantify whether the
    difference inflation expectations
    Behavior actually accounts for all of
    the difference in this transmission
    between Latin americ and advanced
    economies and second one whether you had
    looked at different Horizons of
    inflation expectations it seems
    something remarkable about the recent
    episode is the stability of medium-term
    let’s say five year ahead inflation
    expectations had they moved maybe the
    the stories around credibility would
    have been more important but if you
    looking at one to three years maybe
    something more about persistance I was
    wondering about that thank
    you okay thanks
    uh oops I’m missing sorry uh go ahead hi
    uh actually C took a lot a lot of my
    questions but um so I think the one year
    ahead inflation expectations is not a
    measure of central bank credibility
    issues it’s more picking up the effects
    of commodity shocks and the effects it’s
    going to have on inflation over the next
    several months so um inflation
    expectations long-term inflation
    expectations are where you would go um
    and so I actually for some of the and so
    here’s where I think a bit more
    discussion about the heterogenity across
    countries would be really helpful and I
    thought like going down the road that um
    Isabelle and Rett had suggested would be
    would be good um so one thing was
    striking for Brazil I was looking at
    this is uh how how low they are the far
    forward inflation expectations of 3 and
    a half% and um and so Brazil embarked uh
    around 2017 on a mission of reducing its
    inflation Target to that of its n of its
    uh main trading part well its neighbors
    uh not not Argentina but um to Chile uh
    and and Mexico so it’s 3% now and so um
    I think it’s remarkable um and and so so
    I I I think uh
    so that’s one thing to to think about
    and also I mean I just just uh casually
    looking at countries like Chile and um
    and Colombia they they had major
    political transitions that produced ex
    larged exchange rate depreciations or at
    least it seems so and so that seems to
    be separate from the kinds of shocks
    that that you’re that that we’ve been
    talking about so far and I think it’s
    something to take into account thank you
    maybe just picking up on a couple of
    those themes I mean I I guess I’m I’m
    totally confused to be honest haven’t
    read the paper but looking at your
    presentation if you’d given me all all
    your
    analytics which show a massive a much
    higher Lam response to external shocks
    for inflation and you’d ask me and I
    didn’t know the numbers what had
    happened to latam inflation I would have
    said oh it’s clearly going to be massive
    compared to the DM world you know there
    turns out completely opposite you know
    your starting point was the correct one
    which is that there’s actually been an
    amazing development which is you know
    America sneezed and latan didn’t catch
    an inflation cold for the first time in
    you know 50 years and I suppose what i’
    be looking for and I apologize I hav a
    chance to read the paper is okay why is
    that what is that you know your response
    functions tell me the opposite it should
    have happened the question is why didn’t
    it happen I I think to be honest a lot
    of it comes back to that Old Chestnut
    Central Bank credibility and the way
    that central banks acted and I think
    that showed most notably in currency
    performance um and I you know one of my
    favorite pop Cris questions is to say
    apart from the Swiss frank which has
    been the strongest world currency over
    the last eight years and it turns out to
    be the Mex comp Pacer go figure
    yeah thank you uh my question uh about
    the uh uh relationship between uh
    productivity uh Trends and the uh the
    story about uh inflation uh in Latin
    America uh this may be going a little
    bit uh uh Beyond uh the paper uh uh the
    Region’s productivity performance uh has
    been uh very poor I saw a paper recently
    which shows that uh between 1990 and
    2017 average tfp growth in the region
    was minus 0.8%
    perom uh now other things being equal uh
    lower productivity growth can increase
    cost pressures in an economy you have
    lower labor productivity growth
    translating into stronger increase in uh
    uh unit labor cost so so my question is
    how do the authors see uh uh this
    relationship between uh
    productivity and uh inflation Dynamics
    in the region uh in uh more recent years
    and and and and what does uh the
    Region’s uh poor productivity
    performance
    imply for the tradeoff between uh growth
    and inflation that uh the region faces
    thank you
    Steve so Phil argued that um taking into
    account Latin America’s history of high
    inflation and the pi estimated uh passrs
    uh that W Pablo estimated uh for the
    region that you would have expected that
    Latin American inflation would have
    surged a lot higher uh than advanced
    economies uh during the recent
    period but you could also note that you
    know uh Latin America didn’t have the
    super strong fiscal
    stimulus of the United States and didn’t
    have the exposure to uh super high
    natural gas prices that you experienced
    in Europe so you could imagine that in
    fact it’s surprising that Latin American
    inflation Rose as high as it did so I’d
    be kind of interested I think it’d be
    good if the paper could F focus a little
    bit on that big picture question you
    know was Latin American inflation H
    surprisingly High surprisingly low or
    did its very proactive monetary policy
    tightening actually
    counterbalance uh you know it’s kind of
    like history of high pass through
    leading to inflation about the same as
    in other
    countries thanks
    Steve I’ll be brief in the interest of
    time I was just wondering um uh the
    decompositions you had shown with very
    little on you know headline inflation
    shocks particularly energy I was
    wondering whether you know that is
    actually captured also in your time
    effects and also in inflation
    expectations because you know one of the
    key mechanisms during this crisis was
    headline inflation shocks passing into
    core through inflation expectations so
    in a way Al also you know the
    implications could be a bit misleading
    you know if if if we say that you know
    relative price shocks or headline
    headline inflation shocks did not matter
    in Latin America thank
    you so um very rich paper uh but I’m
    going to raise an issue that is sort of
    enriching say asking for more but I
    think ihan has good suggestions on how
    to to trim it on uh uh you know how to
    to to to reduce a bit the number of
    exercise as you present I missed country
    color uh there are very Stark
    differences in policy response in Latin
    America Mexico had no very little fiscal
    support Brazil Chile Colombia went much
    bigger um there all that is a is a bit
    lost to me I think it would be great to
    have some Focus uh more Square L on the
    episode maybe at the you know covering a
    little bit less the history of the past
    20 years which I think is yeah people
    are are a bit more familiar with but I
    think it would really enrich the paper
    to provide some uh you know because some
    of these are are question mark you know
    Mexico still has uh pretty tight
    monetary policy stance and underlying
    inflation pressures now they have
    electoral spending going on uh but uh
    but yeah but the path of policy support
    was quite different the exchange rate
    Behavior was different so lots of things
    to to think about on that front and with
    this uh floor back to Juan Pablo thank
    you okay thank you so much for for the
    old comments uh I will say that uh I
    don’t know I tried to uh look from the
    um uh so I got try to put the comment
    into s so the the um they want to make
    more uh the connection between for
    example dis quantification of higher
    path through other how fit with the this
    episode
    so again probably we didn’t do it that
    well that that connection so I we have
    to follow more The Narrative yes I agree
    with the the that what important is
    long-term inflation expectation but to
    have a sample side of or comparison
    country we use this consensus forecast
    that is 12 I get I agree that it doesn’t
    capture all the mention the the cility
    but the important thing is in our
    estimation was Tred to uh for example in
    the pass through Energy prices or food
    prices was the interaction so I I aware
    that doesn’t capture all the cility
    issue but what we well try to show that
    this transmission of full price chocks
    are higher when the this inflation uh 12
    month ahead are are higher and is the
    pass inflation expectation anyway so um
    and I think um yes the regarding the
    angle uh J Maria was send send me I mean
    make this comment in the morning yes we
    have to to look to De deeper regarding
    the the variation and uh uh these
    country are different in during the the
    co and we have to touch better on that
    okay thank you
    well uh thank you all I think my only
    closing remark is going to be that
    you’re all invited for lunch it is in a
    room adj to this one Summers just down
    that way way no not ad the other of the
    security boof okay you you can tell I
    haven’t learned in three and a half
    years of
    Brooklyn the the names of the various
    Roots but thank you very much to all of
    you uh I yeah Special thanks to to to
    Isabel PRI uh to ihan for uh discussing
    this and of course uh Juan Pao uh
    Antonio refet for tracking all the way
    to DC and I think you know Stephanie did
    a fantastic job with Howen of setting
    all this up so many thanks to her and to
    everybody that has been helping on the
    Brookings front to organize this
    conference so thank you very much
    okay

    A conference from the Hutchins Center on Fiscal & Monetary Policy considered the recent inflation episodes in emerging markets and lessons from policymakers’ response. Three papers were presented, each with a regional focus: emerging Asia (Antonio Fatás of INSEAD), emerging Europe (Refet Gürkaynak of Bilkent University), and emerging Latin America (Juan Pablo Medina of Universidad Adolfo Ibáñez). Each presentation was followed by a discussant’s response and a moderated conversation with attendees.

    Viewers asked questions of the panelists by emailing events@brookings.edu and on X/Twitter using the hashtag #EmergingMarkets.

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