UPDATE: A Mining Mega Takeover, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Deutsche Bank Post Earnings, & Meta…

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    London I’m Caroline heer and I’m Tom
    Mackenzie coming up today mining giant
    BHP confirms that it’s made a 31 billion
    pound takeover offer for Anglo American
    in what could be the biggest deal this
    year fixed income trading helps to boost
    Deutsche bank’s earnings but disappoints
    at BMP parba and Barkley’s plus
    defending Tik Tok on Tik Tok the social
    media firm says it will win its fight
    against a possible us ban let’s start
    with a Roundup of our top stories the
    world’s largest mining company has made
    a takeover bearded for its UK rival
    Anglo American BHP confirming it has
    made an AllShare proposal to Anglo
    valuing the smaller Mining Company at
    31.1 bill ion pound Bloomberg’s James
    walock has more it could be the biggest
    shake up in mining for a decade and
    copper is at the heart of it Anglo
    American has long been seen as an m&a
    Target the $34 billion company owns Big
    South American copper operations which
    are a key metal for electrification and
    renewable energy it’s possible the bhp’s
    bid for Anglo could prompt other Giants
    to make a move regardless if it happens
    it may be the largest m&a deal of the
    year in London James wock Bloomberg
    Radio Barkley has reported its latest
    set of results on a big day for European
    earnings Investment Bank revenue and net
    interest income met estimates at the
    British lender pre-tax profit beat
    forecast coming in at 2.28 billion
    pounds for the quarter now speaking
    exclusively to Bloomberg CEO CSV katak
    chrishan said that the results are
    entirely in line with expectations Ben
    Kat Krishnan also shared thoughts on the
    London IPO Market I think the equity
    Market in the UK and Equity risk culture
    needs uh a short in the arm to be frank
    I think that it’s important for
    companies to list in the UK especially
    For Life Sciences technology companies
    and it needs many things which are
    slowly coming together there’s a part of
    it which is regulation there’s a part of
    it which is equity investment and people
    buying more stocks Pension funds buying
    more stocks um and we think that some of
    the initiatives for instance the public
    flotation of the government share of net
    West should be important aspects of
    that V Kat Krishnan was more upbeat
    though on the UK political situation
    saying that a great strength of the UK
    is relatively little difference in
    Economic Policy between labor and the
    conservatives getting back though to the
    company story Barkley share price
    jumping as much as 3% this morning
    currently up by 2.6% okay staying in the
    banking space Bas and Deutsche Bank over
    in Germany seeing a 7% jump in earnings
    from fixed income trading in the first
    quarter that is more than analysts had
    expected and better than most of the
    bank’s biggest US Rivals income from an
    advising on deals and stock and bond
    sales jumped 54% as the Investment Bank
    made up for a boost from interest rates
    fading CFO James Von muler hailed strong
    momentum in the Investment Bank we’re
    very pleased with the results there 133%
    up year- on-ear um our fi business and
    also within that the financing business
    doing very well um so we see very strong
    momentum and and client engagement there
    we’re also seeing resilience and growth
    across the other three businesses so
    it’s it’s nice to have a shining star
    but but seeing resilience on the more
    balance sheet sensitive businesses of
    our corporate bank and private bank is
    is
    encouraging Von mker added he sees
    optimism and growth coming back to
    Europe shares in deuts Bank have rallied
    by almost 50% over the past year so far
    in the session they’re down just 1.3% so
    far BMP PBA share price up this morning
    2.1% right now income from fixed income
    currencies and commodity trading at BMP
    parba slumped by 20% year on year that’s
    worse than had been expected the
    disappointment taking the Shine off the
    stronger performance in other parts of
    the French lenders Investment Bank
    overall BMP parar saw net income and
    revenue come in ahead of estimates in
    the first quarter shares in meta
    dropping by 16% around 16% in after
    hours trading after the social media
    giant said it plans to spend billions of
    dollars more than expected this year the
    parent company of Facebook and Instagram
    says investments in artificial
    intelligence will increase meaningfully
    with capital expenditure of up to $40
    billion this year CEO Mark Zuckerberg is
    warning investors that it could take
    time for the AI bets to pay off as we’re
    scaling capex and energy expenses for AI
    uh we’ll continue focusing on operating
    the rest of our company efficiently uh
    but realistically even with shifting
    many of our existing resources to focus
    on AI we’ll still grow our investment
    envelope meaningfully before we make
    much revenue from uh some of these new
    products Mark Zuckerberg’s comments on
    spending along with a warning that sales
    growth would be slower than expected in
    the second quarter overshadowed the
    first quarter numbers Revenue increased
    by 27% to 36 billion while profits more
    than double to
    12.4 billion US okay so lots of earnings
    news but there are some other stories to
    think about the US has been secretly
    sending Ukraine its long range Army
    tactical missile systems or known as
    attacks for short they’ve been doing
    that since February President Joe Biden
    signed a new Aid Bill to provide Ukraine
    with $61 billion in military aid last
    night which was expected to include uh
    this ordinance however the state
    Department spokesman Vidant Patel said
    that the US leader had privately already
    given the green light for the ballistic
    missiles to be sent the United States
    provided Ukraine with longrange attacks
    at the president’s D Direction he
    quietly directed um his National
    Security team to send attacks to Ukraine
    uh for use inside Ukrainian Sovereign
    territory in February uh they started
    moving as part of the military aid
    package we announced on March 12th uh
    and those missiles arrived in Ukraine
    this month the US had avoided sending
    the missiles that Patel spoke of until
    now because the Biden Administration
    considered that it would be seen as
    escalatory by the Kremlin the missiles
    can hit targets over a range of 300
    kilometers the New York Times reports
    that they you used for the first they
    were used for the first time in recent
    days to strike an Airfield in Crimea and
    Russia has veto vote a un Security
    Council resolution on not deploying
    nuclear weapons in space China abstained
    The Proposal would have reconfirmed a
    global commitment that dates back to
    1967 which bans nuclear weapons in orbit
    the vote comes just months after the US
    told allies that Russia could deploy a
    real or mock Warhead into space as early
    as this year the Kremlin alleged
    ambition underscores what Security
    Experts and Washington say is growing
    competition between the US Russia and
    China to develop anti-satellite
    weapons in a moment we’re going to be
    bringing you uh more on the mining story
    this Mega deal potentially we’ve got
    more details of it this morning uh but
    before we get to that there’s a piece I
    bet you’re going to be interested in
    this Tom look I always try to bring you
    know something a bit lighter something a
    bit more fun um which uh is all about
    how you choose your football team um
    this comes because the blue pinion
    colonist Howard Jan who’s been in the UK
    for 6 years has done this long piece
    about what is it what are the questions
    that you ask how do you pick your
    football team if you haven’t grown up
    with one um do you follow the same men’s
    and women’s side or do you does that
    matter loyalty to one club or not he’s
    asked like a million questions he’s also
    asked listeners and viewers to write
    readers to to write in to tell him how
    did you choose your side it’s very easy
    I mean there just one choice isn’t there
    it’s Arsenal obviously both the women’s
    team which are currently top of the
    league uh and outperform all of their
    Rivals um and of course the men’s team
    also by the way top of the league so
    it’s an obvious choice um I don’t see
    what the Dilemma is um word go yeah you
    have to tell them exactly uh no it’s a
    really lovely piece about
    um social press how to it’s a social
    lubricant being able to talk I’m frankly
    a bit of a fair weather sport but it
    does help in certain social situations
    to be able to dig into the back pocket
    for a bit of a chat about football yes
    and if you don’t have that sometimes you
    can be kind of left out in the social
    cold so I get that was mentioning yeah
    okay so a fun read then for you on the
    Bloomberg terminal this morning let’s
    also though uh get to um let’s get to
    our top story then as I mentioned the
    mining story are we in for a big shakeup
    in the industry the price of copper has
    been soring this year BHP has confirmed
    that it made an AllShare proposal to
    Anglo American valuing the small
    slightly smaller Mining Company at 31.1
    billion pound joining us now as
    blomberg’s Commodities reporter Martin
    Richie Martin thanks for getting back on
    the radio with us this morning now that
    we have that figure what do we know then
    about the
    deal the top line is this is all about
    copper uh BHP is going to become if this
    deal goes ahead successfully it’s going
    to become the world’s biggest copper
    Miner uh passing companies like uh
    codelco and Chile and freep Port um and
    that’s because uh the minor are
    expecting a big wave of demand for
    copper and we’ve seen over the past few
    years a number of quite big transactions
    and a lot of talk about how they want to
    gain exposure to Copper but this is the
    first really big deal um in the sector
    uh Anglo has some other bits and pieces
    uh it has a metallurgical coal business
    it produces diamonds uh it produces some
    potach that’s made in fertilizer and
    it’s got iron ore um but at the core of
    it is uh is the copper um and this is
    not just the biggest deal in in mining
    this year but probably one of the
    biggest ma transa m and transactions
    we’ll see all year Martin what’s your
    assessment of of the likelihood of this
    of this deal going through and what what
    it means more broadly uh for the sector
    then um so obviously with any major deal
    you you you you look at who the rivals
    might be were there be any other
    companies that could could put in uh
    competitive bids um now those likely
    candidates in the mining space are are
    Glen cor uh riotinto and Valley um so
    people are saying you know they could
    make bids but I I would just point to a
    couple of things that those those
    companies all have their own reasons not
    to make a bid uh riotinto is is has
    invested a lot in building its own
    copper mines for example huge mine in
    Mongolia it’s it it has said it prefers
    that approach to making big deals uh
    Glen core is trying to take over
    Canadian company Tech resources uh to
    get it its copper and zinc assets um and
    then Valley is actually trying to
    demerge its Metals business so they’re
    all tied up in their own kind of
    strategy towards metals
    which is kind of left the door open for
    BHP I guess to try and swallow up uh
    Anglo the smaller rival yeah absolutely
    it’s a really interesting story uh and
    one that we’ll follow closely thank you
    so much for the update Martin Richie
    Bloomberg’s Commodities reporter then uh
    the BHP uh proposal for Anglo American
    anglo-american Share Price uh currently
    up more than 12% we’ve also got to dig
    into the bank earnings from the European
    uh lenders Deutsche bank’s first quarter
    uh fixed income uh commodity Revenue
    Rising 7% BMP parar a worse than
    expected 20% slump in fix trading
    Barkley’s Investment Banking Revenue
    meeting expectations joining us now the
    man who knows far much far more about
    this uh than me Bloomberg’s EMA head of
    finance and investing Tom meta really
    massively busy morning for you Tom so
    thanks for sparing us some time what um
    of those three interests you most I
    suppose yeah you’ve had three big big
    Europe Banks come through um look we’re
    in London I think Barkley is maybe the
    most interesting story here uh and
    particularly at share price where you
    know often the first thing I look at for
    bark is how did those fixed rate Traders
    do and in the past that’s really
    underpinned the results this time around
    they sort of disappointed but they were
    sort of uh you know helped by the acc’s
    trading doing very well and perhaps more
    importantly at the moment the UK bank
    this outlook on Nim uh you know being a
    real support here and effectively what
    Barkley had done had they had a strategy
    update in February and they’ve
    absolutely hit right on the nail what
    they said they’d do which I think for
    shareholders is a real kind of Boon you
    know they want to see just that steady
    delivery you me being a journalist I
    love the volatility and the excitement
    offered by trading but actually I think
    what today shows is Barkley is maybe
    becoming a bit more boring uh but for
    shareholders that is uh what they really
    want going forward is is Deutsche Bank
    becoming more boring or is that in terms
    of the trading part of that business
    they’ve got that exposure to fixed
    income how how did that come together
    for Deutsche Bank over in Germany yes
    very similar structure to Bar who’s Big
    invest bank and fixed income is a huge
    part of that and I think it’s
    fascinating because their fixed Traders
    did really well they they were up 7%
    which is basically in line with some of
    the best Wall Street Banks so before the
    earn shares started trading I was like
    probably deutche Bank Shares are going
    to be up they actually fell and I think
    are may be flat which again goes maybe
    back to this point of this you know very
    volatile earnings the Investment Bank is
    just not valued as highly as say that
    more stable recurring Revenue um but
    yeah those two I always think of as a
    pair Deutsche Bank and Barkley they kind
    of both European Banks big Investment
    Banking or big trading presences um and
    sometimes they move in lock step but
    today it looks like Barkley’s maybe has
    a slight Edge okay um other interesting
    stories I mean loan loss Provisions or
    bonuses or BuyBacks I mean those are
    always interesting stories too yeah and
    you had um I think it was the CFO saying
    they’re a little bit worried over in
    Frankfurt when they look at the UK and
    there’s this bonus cap which has been
    removed allowing you know some banks to
    take advantage of that so right now in
    the UK there was a rule is EU rule that
    you could only have effectively twice
    the bonus of your salary where you
    compare that to New York where bonuses
    can be many multiples so you might get a
    smaller fixed bit but your bonus can
    really jump and effectively in the UK
    that’s now been rolled back post brexit
    it’s a very very difficult thing uh to
    sort of implement in terms of a change
    if you can imagine everyone’s on
    contracts how many people are going to
    want to sort of move away from a very
    high fix pay into bonuses But as time
    goes on I’m expecting that to sort of
    effectively rolled out and and that is
    potentially a bit of a competitive
    Advantage I say bit of um but it’s
    interesting that Deutsche Bank chose to
    sort of raise this and you know it’s one
    of those classic messaging you know by
    an executive going hey Regulators take
    notice of this we think it’s a bit of a
    problem is there anything you can do to
    kind of help us out to Tech now and a
    disappointing earnings report from Met
    has Tech investors on edge the Facebook
    owner’s outlook for weaker sales and it
    was the Outlook rather than the
    quarterly uh results themselves it was
    the Outlook plus the higher costs
    forecast um underlining the questions
    about the impact of AI shock horror to
    investors you actually have to spend to
    make that AI uh come to the for and it’s
    expensive let’s bring in Bloomberg’s
    Tech editor uh here in London Olivia
    Solen um Olivia kind of talk to us about
    about the investor reaction to this why
    are they so surprised it costs $40,000
    for a GPU from Nvidia we know they’re
    buying thousands of these I I think
    everyone just got so excited about AI
    there’s been so much hype over the last
    year ever since chat gbt was Unleashed
    on the world and so I think perhaps
    people have been expecting more
    immediate Returns on on that investment
    but yes as you say it it’s very
    expensive to hire the engineers to build
    these models um to to kind of get all
    the infrastructure the data centers this
    the chips to do the training and so and
    then figure out how to put this into
    their business you know so and I guess
    we’re specifically talking about
    generative AI rather than AI more more
    broadly because meta and others have
    been using that very effectively for
    years yeah we also get earnings out
    today Microsoft alphabet and Intel out
    of the USC evening um thinking about
    that 9:00 p.m. London time how do you
    think that that is going to play out
    because actually the kind of
    disappointment around meta had such a
    widespread impact on shares yesterday
    yeah well I think Microsoft probably has
    the biggest head start in terms of
    rolling out generative AI tools across
    its it’s paid for products um alphabet
    is kind of playing catchup we know it’s
    been a leader in AI in AI breakthroughs
    for like other types of machine learning
    but for generative AI it’s sort of been
    kind of trying to play C up and so it
    has announced a bunch of ways that it’s
    it’s rolling these kind of generative AI
    tools throughout its products but I
    don’t think we’re going to see the kind
    of gains from that quite yet yeah and
    then there was the controversy around
    its Gemini um model as well and the
    Fallout from that um you’ve been writing
    about about how some Executives at least
    are not are not ready for AI really
    really interesting um piece worth
    checking out on the terminal and on
    bloomberg.com what what’s behind that
    right this was a survey of Chief
    Information officers so it people within
    I think 700 uh companies and the general
    sense was as you know as we we’re kind
    of seem to be learning that most
    companies haven’t really figured out how
    to make money from Ai and they need at
    least a couple more years to really
    integrate AI tools into their into their
    products and services um some of the
    main kind of concerns are how long it
    takes to implement uh security concerns
    potential biases in AI systems um and of
    course um intellectual property
    issues this is Bloomberg break Europe
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    (1) BHP Group proposed a takeover of Anglo American that values the smaller miner at £31.1 billion ($38.8 billion), in a deal that would catapult the combined company’s copper production far beyond its rivals while sparking the biggest shakeup in the industry in over a decade.

    (2) Deutsche Bank’s trading revenue rose 7% in the first quarter, more than analysts had expected and better than most of the biggest US investment banks

    (3) Barclays posted first-quarter revenue that topped analyst estimates after its stock traders collected a surprise windfall from tumultuous global markets.

    (4) BNP Paribas fixed-income traders trailed all of the large Wall Street banks in the first quarter, taking the shine off a strong performance in other parts of the investment bank.

    (5) President Joe Biden signed a $95 billion national security package into law and said assistance to Ukraine would begin to move within “hours,” capping off a bruising fight with Republicans over long-delayed assistance for Kyiv and other besieged US allies.

    (6) Shares in Meta have dropped by as much as 19% in after-hours trading, after the social media giant said it plans to spend billions of dollars more than expected this year.

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