The Best Way To Predict the Future Is To Build It – Brian Rose & Evan Luthra

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    the best way to predict the future is to
    go build
    it the reason why I like to be in web 3
    and blockchain is because the smartest
    people in the world are in this space
    and working on building cool things the
    technolog is eventually going to disrupt
    existing industries that we know and
    they’re going to solve problems around
    us you told me the other night you said
    look I’m not a Trader I’m an investor
    tell me what that means and tell me the
    way that you engage in the market
    trading is one of the easiest way to get
    rep I invested in a business early on
    and that business creates value and that
    creates wealth in trading it’s player
    versus player you’re taking money from
    somebody else so there’s no wealth being
    creative the bull market is back you’ve
    seen a few Cycles you’re pretty much OG
    in this space what do you think is hot
    what’s happening bitcoin’s adoption is
    growing there’s more and more people
    understanding why we need Bitcoin it
    takes away that Central Power where
    there’s some individuals decide how the
    power is distributed and gives it back
    to the people when that headline goes
    around the world that it’s an alltime
    high in Bitcoin where people are going
    to be like oh that’s that crypto stuff
    everyone’s been talking about now it’s
    back you can’t stop technical progress
    it will eventually come the better
    solution will eventually win and Bitcoin
    is just a better form of
    money my mother doesn’t understand
    technology that well at all but she’s
    always had these basic qualities about
    living life is like always think
    longterm always think about how you can
    add value for others always give more
    than you take my mother’s insane like
    her full-time job is to
    pray final thoughts for anybody listen
    ing out there I like to leave people
    with EV e v a n e for enthusiasm you got
    to be enthusiastic about what you do
    Vision the bigger you dream the big
    better it is a voice is always ask ask
    for things you want because if you don’t
    ask you don’t get and then n is Nimble
    moving fast and delivering results
    because you know that you’re building
    something that’s going add Val to the
    world for me freedom is my number one
    priority in life and I value that above
    most things in life and if I can give
    that to somebody else I think that would
    truly be legendary
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    go this is London real I am Brian Rose
    my guest today is
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    this is London real I am Brian Rose my
    guest today is Evan luthra the serial
    entrepreneur blockchain expert investor
    and motivational speaker your journey
    began at age 12 when you began writing a
    technology blog and then developed an
    app that helped you reach millions of
    readers you sold your first business for
    $1.7 million at 17 years old and made
    the Forbes 30 under 30 list at the age
    of 27 you first discovered bit coin back
    in 2014 and from there began investing
    heavily in the blockchain space today
    you’ve built and invested in over 400
    companies with a combined market cap in
    excess of $100 billion you are a member
    of the Forbes Technology Council and
    regularly contribute to fores magazine
    entrepreneur and coin Telegraph
    ultimately you believe that web 3 has
    the power to transform the lives of
    millions of people around the world and
    that Bitcoin represents the biggest
    wealth transfer in Generations Evan
    welcome to London re thank you Brian
    pleasure to be here today it’s great to
    have you here you know what I think we
    jump right into it because the bull
    market is back and I want to just jump
    into your brain and find out what is
    Evan thinking about what the next 12 to
    18 months holds for us what do you think
    is hot what’s happening and I think what
    everyone wants to know is what are you
    investing in you’ve seen a few Cycles
    you’re pretty much OG in this space so
    what do you see coming up I mean for me
    it’s very very exciting to see what’s
    happening in the crypto markets right
    now we all knew this was going to happen
    right all these last cycles that we’ve
    got this is my third bull cycle as I
    would say it’s I’m properly involved in
    and um you know what what was happening
    is basically bitcoin’s adoption is
    growing there’s more and more people
    understanding what’s happening with
    Bitcoin why we need Bitcoin and why we
    need to take power away from the
    governments and from the banks and I
    think that’s what’s really happening
    what happened during the last cycle was
    you know at first the big banks used to
    say Bitcoin is a fraud Bitcoin is a scam
    they realized they can’t stop most
    people eventually realize that you can
    only delay technical progress you can’t
    stop technical progress it will
    eventually come the better solution will
    eventually win and Bitcoin is just a
    better form of money right and that’s
    why I think it’s it’s able to get all
    these adoption and now with ETFs we’re
    seeing over 10 times more demand for
    Bitcoin every day than Bitcoin is
    actually created there’s more than 10x
    the demand for Bitcoin every single day
    just from the ETFs than that Bitcoin
    actually being created and that’s been
    the graph ever since the ETFs have gone
    live and it’s been a really really
    exciting time
    I mean to most people actually tell them
    you need to if you want to understand
    Bitcoin you have to ask why do you need
    Banks why do you need governments and to
    really understand that you have to go
    back a few few centuries in time and you
    have to understand you need Banks and
    governments to enable trade in different
    parts of the world somebody from the UK
    wants to do some business with somebody
    from India you that’s what banks and
    governments enable that enable the trade
    to take place in a in a matter that was
    trusted between both parties but what’s
    happened over this many years is that
    these Banks and government have become
    quite corrupt so now they serve their
    own friends they don’t really serve the
    public anymore they’re not a public
    servant as this were supposed to be and
    I think that’s what Bitcoin is truly
    solving right today if I want to get a
    loan I can walk into any bank and get a
    loan in a minute but my chef my driver
    who actually needs the loan which will
    have a lot more impact for them than to
    me they can’t get a loan they they can’t
    get that because they don’t know the
    bank manager right I mean and that’s
    what’s problem in politics and
    government and and banking today and I
    think that’s what Bitcoin solved it
    takes away that Central Power where the
    some individuals decide how the power is
    distributed and gives it back to the
    people with Bitcoin you’re
    decentralizing governance you’re
    decentralizing power I think that’s
    really really exciting and what what
    happened over what happens every cycle
    is that we see adoption coming in right
    Bitcoin Works in Cycles because of the
    way it’s been designed there’s this Hing
    that happens every four years that cuts
    the supply of Bitcoin for the same
    amount of effort that goes in by half
    and every as every as we reach every
    having it attracts a lot of people to
    the to the Bitcoin ecosystem and we see
    the growth coming in I think that’s what
    is really happening now that the
    adoption is really reaching that Tipping
    Point I think this may be the biggest uh
    super cycle in a way where Bitcoin
    reaches everybody to or at least a big
    part of the world we’re already seeing
    massive amounts of people in places like
    Venezuela turkey the Eastern Europe
    where there’s either like war or
    unstability political instability or
    there’s high amounts of inflation
    already like 50% of people almost using
    cryptocurrencies all the time I talk
    these people like all the time people
    from Argentina or turkey where the are
    even Malaysia I was talking to a friend
    just a couple days ago the Malaysian
    ring has fallen like over 50% against
    the US dollar in the last many years so
    people are losing their purchasing power
    America keeps on printing more and more
    US Dollars which is backed by nothing
    but the trust in the Army and then they
    start they keep exporting that inflation
    because the world still runs on the US
    dollar right so they they they create
    that inflation and they EXP that
    inflation to other countries and these
    countries are suffering these countries
    are suffering in a really big way and I
    think Bitcoin takes away that power from
    this you know institutions and gives it
    back to the people one Bitcoin is always
    one Bitcoin and what what you can get
    with that one Bitcoin is going up over
    history and it’s not going down compared
    to what you get when you have Fiat
    currencies over time there’s not a
    single fiat currency has actually
    survived right not one single fat
    currency has actually survived we don’t
    know if Bitcoin Will Survive we
    technology what one thing I tend to PTY
    is they underestimate technology
    technology grows really really fast it
    grows exponentially so we may have a
    better form of money but as of today we
    don’t have anything better than Bitcoin
    right and I think it’s the smartest form
    of money out there the best way to store
    value it’s easy to transport it’s secure
    nobody can take it from you and I think
    that’s the best way to look at it is
    this like more of getting people’s
    attention to a certain extent because it
    feels like every cycle more and more
    people hear about Bitcoin and then they
    they always have to to learn about it
    because sometimes it’s complicated to
    own the ETF changes that but once they
    get it I guess they call it orange
    pilling someone a lot of people then go
    into it but again it’s hard to get
    people’s attention now we’re close to
    the all-time high I was telling my
    students yesterday when that headline
    goes around the world that it’s an
    all-time high in Bitcoin that is a huge
    pattern interrupt right Marsh mclan
    called about called talked about that a
    pattern interrupt where people are going
    to be like oh that’s that crypto stuff
    everyone’s been talking about now it’s
    back yeah and that would get a lot of
    people attention and you’re saying that
    might be the final push exactly everyone
    knows about cuz like you said cuz it’s
    easier to access Bitcoin now and also
    technology is growing right so we needed
    that we didn’t have the infrastructure
    for a long time in the web 3 space
    people to actually be on boarded you
    can’t expect my mother to go and
    download a metamask create a wallet save
    a private key preserve that in a safe
    way you can’t expect a lot of people to
    do that so we are now seeing these tools
    that have come in where now you have
    phones that are basically crypto phones
    so you are crypto is becoming so much uh
    part of life for a lot of people that it
    becomes very easy and I think that’s
    what technology is doing and the
    infrastructure as we say is being built
    and is at a place where a lot more
    people can be onboarded and those who
    are actually have interest can be on
    boarded at this point with the
    infrastructure that’s available today
    and game five for example which is the
    biggest narratives I’m might invest in
    over 150 web three games and has been
    one of the most exciting ways to onboard
    people because if you look at what
    happened with gaming right uh the
    ecosystem was always locked right you
    would have these big game Publishers
    publish a game players would spend hours
    and hours playing earning these skins
    which they pay the publisher for and
    then they leave the game and the Skins
    are there you know they can’t do
    anything with it but with with the
    weapons are there whatever they earn in
    the game the in-game assets but now with
    nfts and web 3 these assets become
    tradable uh but an individual is still
    playing the game because he wants to
    enjoy the game like he would play any
    other way but now what the time he
    spends into the game he can earn these
    ass and he can sell them at the end of
    the game and that creates an economy
    that creates a financial incentive
    around that when you do that it it opens
    up a lot more adoption right and I think
    that’s just one of the examples of how
    like gamey is bringing a big adoption to
    crypto and web 3 I like to say like the
    children who are going to be born now
    who going to be playing iPad games you
    know already already for the last many
    years children who are being born are
    born with iPads in their hand they play
    iPads all day that’s how parents keep
    the kids entertained these days but the
    people are going to be born now who
    going to play these next games are going
    to be web three games they’re not just
    playing games they’re actually making
    money or they’re actually earning
    in-game asset they’re learning about
    Finance from a very young age they’re
    learning about Bitcoin from a very young
    age because eventually you buy earn that
    game token you say this is interesting
    and then you look at you you get more
    you get you get more you get more
    interested you look more into it I think
    that’s what is going to happen at a very
    big pace and there is one of the uh
    Industries this adoption happening in
    every other industry as we know there’s
    a lot of Point systems like the world
    runs on that’s all been coming to web 3
    I was just talking to the the head of
    air Baltic one of the airlines so I
    travel a lot I’ve been crazy about
    collecting miles and you know optimizing
    my travel and then this guy is just and
    I I have these all these miles which I
    expire now because I’m at a point now
    where I just I I I don’t spend so much
    time optimizing that I used to when I
    was younger so I don’t use so many of
    those points and they expire right but
    now air Baltic is working in a system
    where you can actually sell those points
    like you can have you can nft them and
    you make an whole economy around that so
    that’s like value that I can like that
    was sitting there but I couldn’t use now
    I can extract that value is web 3 so I
    think there’s a lot of adoption
    happening and there are a lot of
    companies coming in and this happened
    even before so it did it’s not like it
    didn’t happen before Microsoft was like
    Selling Stuff Tesla was selling with
    Bitcoin even the last bull market what
    happened was there were the
    infrastructure was not able to support
    it the transaction fees were too high
    the storage there was those those
    infrastructure was not there but that
    infra that’s what people are doing every
    day the reason why I like to be in web 3
    and blockchain is because the smartest
    people in the world
    are in the space and working on building
    cool things I don’t I don’t work for
    money anymore I like to work because I
    enjoy doing it that’s the only type of
    work I do right and in web 3 you get to
    work with the smartest people in this
    industry that’s really exciting and you
    can never discount the hard work of
    smart people So eventually you see this
    adoption happening where now the
    infrastructure layer the the foundation
    is strong and people can actually build
    tools people can actually build web
    three solutions and they can actually
    tokenize their economy or the or the or
    the company or the industry and have
    massive growth and now we for example
    security tokens I was actually early
    into one of the First Security token
    offerings high. Tech back in 2018 we
    this company did really really well they
    raised a lot of money but it was a
    security token even till today there’s
    not really that many places we can trade
    a security token but now this year a big
    narrative is real world assets
    tokenizing real world assets which
    basically a security right you’re you’re
    buying a property and you’re take
    tokenizing that and then you’re sell and
    you’re bringing all this liquidity on
    chain so that’s like real estate is a
    trillion multiple multi- trillion dollar
    asset when that comes on chain on crypto
    there’s a huge there’s huge amounts of
    growth that’s going to be coming into
    the space and that’s just one of the
    examples but the infrastructure didn’t
    exist people had ideas to tokenize
    property in the last bull cycle also but
    there was no infrastructure you couldn’t
    do it now you actually have the
    infrastructure and that’s why that I
    think this is one of the super Cycles
    where we’re going to see massive growth
    and I think it’s what crypto has been
    the largest well transfer in generation
    as we all know but I think this is the
    time that we’re still very early we’re
    still not not close to the alltime high
    we’re not broken the alltime high so
    people watching this like I think they
    have the opportunity that they’re still
    very early and they can still get in and
    still like I like to even tell people
    like when you get into crypto don’t come
    in with the mindset like I have this
    ,000 I have this $10,000 how do I make
    that into a 100 or how do I make that
    into a million that’s the wrong mindset
    right forget what you have think out of
    the box and say I this individual I want
    to understand what Bitcoin is I want to
    understand web 3 is I want to understand
    what tokenization is I want to
    understand how it works and how can I
    add value you know I’m passionate about
    fashion I’m passionate about Hospitality
    how can I use web 3 disrupt this
    industry and you will find people with
    similar ideas or similar passions
    already working on cool products join
    the telegram Community share ideas
    become a community moderator you know
    start adding value and you will win for
    sure like like one of the quick easiest
    ways to win in this industry is just
    Chase aird drops like I like to say if
    you’re able to spend 20 hours a week
    this year chasing aird drops completing
    challenges you will probably make
    anywhere from $200 to $2 million in free
    free money just by investing time you
    don’t have to maybe you have to invest
    $500 in gas fees over the whole year for
    people that don’t know what that means
    what does that mean chasing air drops
    and what does someone have to do chasing
    air drops is all these new companies
    building uh building protocols and
    Building Solutions they want people to
    know about that and they have these
    tokens like investors like myself pay
    they normally sell 20% of those tokens
    for like let’s say 2 million just to
    give you high level numbers and they
    keep the other 20% to distribute to the
    community right and let’s say they
    distribute $2 million worth of tokens to
    the to the early adopters who use their
    product right and and if you’re on the
    website you’re on the they’re going to
    give you credit for being there they’re
    going to give you credit for being early
    for being using the product and telling
    your friends about it right and if
    there’s not there’s hundreds of such
    products coming right and if you spend
    time an hour chasing uh you spend 20
    hours or you chase 20 air drops a week
    you end the year with a th air drops
    each of those air drops you you there’s
    I have I’ve had aird drops which have
    reached six figures in volume but I was
    obviously early so but that’s the key
    you you can also be early all you need
    to do is just be curious and understand
    and spend some time and you know that’s
    why I said find what you’re passionate
    about and join one of those telegram
    communities and find cuz technology is
    end of the Bitcoin and blockchain is
    just distributed Ledger technology the
    technology is eventually going to
    disrupt existing industries that we know
    and they’re going to solve problems
    around us right so if you can if you can
    be in one of those Pro protocols or
    projects that are solving Pro a problem
    that you care about and if you’re an
    early adopter and you’re early proper
    you will get that airdrop and that
    airdrop will be worth a lot of money and
    I mean this is what a lot of people do
    right now and this changes lives of
    thousands of people that I know that
    have changed lives just by chasing
    airdrops and this is normally a better
    strategy than trying to come in with
    $10,000 and seeing how can I make my$
    10,000 into a million I would rather
    recommend give your time instead and
    decide how can I add value to this space
    crypto I love working with crypto
    because I mean even before crypto like I
    I have my own company I 200 Engineers
    who work full-time for me the company is
    still there I’m not that deeply involved
    because I like to work in crypto and
    crypto is amazing because here the more
    value you create the more you get it’s
    it’s purely a value centering economy if
    you’re able to create value in web 3 you
    get paid for that regard you’ll get paid
    sooner or later you will get paid sooner
    or later like Karma it’s like Karma it’s
    like this industry is I love that about
    it it’s purely about Karma you are here
    adding value for others you will get
    value back and it’s it’s it’s not like
    other places where and in crypto like
    most of my team which works with me they
    all get po they get paid a cut of what
    I’m making it’s not based on a salary
    which all my other employees in my VB to
    business were like I would keep 99% of
    the value generated they would build the
    app they would build the solution but
    only make that you know fixed salary a
    month versus when the app became really
    successful I would get all of that value
    that’s how web 2 used to work they maybe
    have a little bit of ESOP you know but
    that’s not really the same but here I’m
    talking like 30 40 50% of what I make
    goes back to my team right and I’m happy
    you do that and I make a lot more this
    way but I’m happy you do that also
    because you know I’m winning I realize
    that you when you look at just purely
    numbers you’re like oh you’re paying too
    much when you do that over a while you
    realize that you’re making way more than
    you would have if this team was not
    actually with you right so that’s the
    that’s and and crypto is purely like
    that like this is industry where you add
    value you get value back very quickly
    and I think that’s very that’s very very
    um beautiful about this space that and
    and that’s why there’s like I said the
    smartest people in the space work here
    in blockchain web 3 it’s so true and
    like I I guess in the web 2 world over
    time if you added a ton of value you
    might get it back but there was so many
    frictions exactly in the web two space
    here with these tokens that can
    literally move like lightning find that
    if you’re putting out good energy that
    sooner or later they’re going to find
    their way back to your wallet somehow
    exactly if you put if you put in a good
    so it’s also all about collaboration
    versus competitiveness VB 2 and
    generally the world most Industries are
    very competitive they compete with each
    other how does Zara want to sell more
    than H&M how does this guy want to get
    more than that like how do I compete how
    do I beat how do a Ferrari sell more
    than Lamborghini right in web 3
    everybody like works together we
    collaborate I don’t care like hedge
    funds they like I would have get the
    best deal for myself in crypto I share
    my best deals to the people because they
    bring me the best deals back so it’s
    like it’s very collaborative Society
    because you know everybody wins the
    community wins too right the community
    wins too but when everybody wins that
    everybody’s more happy you also want to
    be in a position where you have people
    around you all winning that’s how you
    have more success when you when the
    people around you all start winning and
    then they can enable people around them
    to also win and that then you’re
    basically in a winning circle and I
    think in crypto because it’s so new in a
    way it’s still barely and we know it’s a
    disruptive technology we know it’s going
    to have such an impact because because
    it’s Finance Finance runs the world and
    we know it’s going to change the how the
    financing system is run I think it’s
    going to but it’s still very early
    there’s still many people have to be
    touched by it so eventually the whole
    industry will grow and if you are in
    that industry adding value one way or
    the other you will just grow with the
    industry as the industry grows and
    that’s what has happened in web 3 for a
    lot of people I know more than 10 CEOs
    who have started projects who all
    started as Community moderators this
    started as basically joining a community
    in crypto became a moderator where they
    just help other people who join and you
    know how to get involved and what they
    can do for that Community they realized
    hey this is a problem I can fix started
    building a company and now they’re doing
    all doing super well you know many of
    those companies have gone on to create
    tens of millions of dollar in value
    where this founder was basically a
    community moderator maybe less than
    $1,000 a month when he started so that’s
    the beautiful thing about crypto when
    you there and you you find that once you
    understand web 3 Once you understand
    crypto you become already the special I
    mean 1 to 10% of the world you can
    actually explain it to other other
    people because a lot of people still
    don’t understand a big downside about
    crypto I also it’s like most people
    don’t do their own research they depend
    on other people to tell them what to do
    I think that’s just maybe human life uh
    most people just look up to other people
    that’s why you influencers like
    ourselves have so much influence in the
    space because people look up I always
    tell people do your own research do your
    own research don’t do what I do because
    I even I don’t know what I’m doing you
    know I’m I’m learning with you this
    industry grows so fast it changes every
    day even I don’t know what I’m doing at
    sometimes and and it’s better to do your
    own research but most people still don’t
    do that they don’t do that they’d rather
    still ask me again or ask somebody else
    like what should I buy or what should I
    do because they don’t have that
    self-confidence in a way what they don’t
    know is that even the guys at the top
    are literally building it right now
    they’re still building the protocol it’s
    the development is happening every day
    even we are the difference is we are
    okay to we are Nimble we okay we can
    move fast and break things it’s okay in
    crypto to break things it’s not a
    problem you can fail and you can start
    again you fail again you can start again
    and that’s what we have seen some of the
    biggest companies in crypto have failed
    FTX Luna and look we are almost back to
    the all-time high probably the next
    couple weeks everybody who ever bought
    Bitcoin will be in profit and that’s
    after some of the biggest companies in
    the world failing yeah right so that
    tells you a lot yeah
    like I think we’re at like 4% Global
    adoption or 5% which is like 1998 in
    Internet years so if you think about
    what was the internet doing in ’98 were
    were people even on the internet in ’98
    probably barely and you’re thinking
    about okay that’s how much growth we
    have to go for people that are new I
    think before you said look starting off
    with Bitcoin is like a no-brainer get
    some maybe understand that Bitcoin and
    then from there you say you you can
    broaden out maybe look at a layer one
    maybe look at some defi I think you’re a
    fan of exchange tokens cuz those always
    seem to survive
    then you talk about gaming and AI is
    that kind of a path that you recommend
    obviously they should do their own
    research but is that a way to kind of
    look at the ecosystem so obviously so
    tokenization generally is what is
    happening here right and tokenization is
    happening and when you say you mention
    all these different narratives AI rwa
    exch exchanges are great tokens because
    they have a very strong utility right so
    the more the utility a token has the
    more it has potential to grow and that’s
    what you need to look into and there’s
    these narratives that crypto has will
    have more impact on the sudden industry
    and less impact on other industry I like
    to tell people tokenization is going to
    change the world like in a big way
    because every every business every
    ecosystem every is going to become a dow
    going to become tokenized and a very
    simple way to explain this is right now
    I ask you what’s the best car to buy
    what’s your favorite car Brian oh like
    in general yeah I actually don’t love
    cars but I drive I don’t drive also I
    just use the example I drive for 10
    years but I use this example because
    mostly everybody loves car I drove
    around in Some Guy’s super car it was I
    called like Jesco is some Swedish $10
    million Supercar I guess that was kind
    of cool okay so yeah you would you would
    probably say a Rolls-Royce or Bugatti or
    I think that’s a coin I don’t know how
    to pronounce that name that’s it co yeah
    that’s it that one I know the jessco but
    yeah so either you will say that you
    know I would say maybe by Rolls-Royce I
    don’t drive you know I like to be driven
    um but this is right now in the current
    world let’s say Toyota and Honda come up
    with a token they already have shares
    but they’re not accessible you have to
    be a credited investor or only
    accessible to like less than 10% of
    population who can actually access
    shares of these companies but Mo most
    people can’t access but let’s say they
    come out with a token easily tradeable
    anybody can have that and then that
    token allows you to have some sort of
    claim in the business for a business to
    be really successful there’s three
    stakeholders involved there’s a user of
    the business the manager of the business
    and the owner of the business right now
    everybody wants different things they
    all want the user wants to get the
    cheapest product the best product owner
    wants to make the most money and the
    mager wants to basically keep everybody
    happy and make the business grow but the
    incentives are not aligned with a token
    you you make the user a pot owner and a
    pot manager and you align the incentives
    when you let’s say Honda and toota come
    with the token and you get the Honda
    token I get the Toyota token and next
    time somebody asks us to buy and if he
    recommend Toyota we get a claim of
    sliver of Revenue that Toyota makes I’m
    going to say buy a Toyota you’re going
    to say buy a Honda because you’re a part
    owner even if one person ends up buying
    maybe you get a few pennies in your
    inbox right so that’s the difference you
    make a part owner let’s The Next Step
    from that is which we’re already seeing
    with Dows I wrote about this in end of
    2022 where I think how it’s going to be
    the year of dows and we only just seeing
    now a lot of progress with what what
    happens is like as now if Honda and
    toota make 10 billion let’s say in the
    year the board decides where that 10
    billion is invested maybe that boat is
    not in the right mindset right maybe
    they don’t have the exposure what the
    people actually want but as a token
    holder you can actually vote you know I
    want you to build a yacht and invest in
    a new yacht because I like to be on the
    water maybe you say invest in a new
    plane because he like to fly you want to
    have more efficient flying so instead of
    the company deciding now the user
    actually has a pot say and I think that
    makes it a lot more align incentive and
    that’s how people actually feel more
    part of the business when you make the
    user a part or apart money that’s when
    business exponential growth and we’re
    going to see this happen with every
    business as we know it as as more and
    more people have wallets as more and
    more business get tokenized as we
    tokenize real estate or eventually every
    business I believe will also be to
    tokenized and we will be living in this
    you could say a cult or some people
    would like whichever token you have
    that’s the company you support that’s
    the company you feel for and you know
    that’s that’s that’s the company that
    you actually help grow and I think
    that’s going to help businesses also
    become a lot better in how they do and
    how they deal with their customers do
    you think web 3 changes the world
    fundamentally as uh human relationships
    because like you said this whole
    competition thing has been drilled into
    us we’ve even been told that it’s based
    in Darwinism which some people disagree
    with that uh Peter teal famous investor
    says compet is for losers which I love
    that concept and he says in school we’re
    taught to compete with each other which
    is silly because all of the great people
    don’t compete with each other they go do
    their own crazy ideas whether you’re
    Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or whatever web
    3 it instills cooperation yeah do you
    think as this gets adopted more and more
    the world might actually change to where
    we actually realize that we cooperate
    with each other and then we go forward
    you think it actually can change
    Humanity not just corporations or
    protocols so remember web three and
    Technology I like to say even before web
    3 right I was always deep in technology
    and I’ve been using technology to make
    all the impact that I’ve been able to do
    and I invest in technology and when I
    look at businesses in web3 and outside
    of web3 I like I like to see how they’re
    using technology to disrupt things so
    web 3 is going to give us the tools to
    basically enable decentralization enable
    distributed governance enable finally
    giving power back to the Common Man web
    3 is going to give us his tools but
    remember we saw a lot of friction the
    elite don’t want to lose that power they
    don’t want to they don’t want to let
    that power go they tried for a long time
    to say Bitcoin is a scam and Bitcoin is
    a fraud they just realized they couldn’t
    stop it and then they’re like okay let’s
    see how we can collect fees on it so now
    they’re trying to make the Fe so the
    people web 3 is a tool how we use it and
    how we implement it technology and how
    we use that in our day-to-day life is
    going to depend on the on the people
    that is the humans that actually make
    that thing happen so end of the day web
    3 is definitely a great tool and it can
    make Humanity a lot better technology
    generally is a great tool I like to be
    lot in VB 3 because that’s the part in
    technology that’s the space in
    technology where I feel very happy
    working because it’s all about giving
    back it’s all about collaboration it
    feels great to be involved in this space
    AI is another technology that’s going to
    change the world in a very very big way
    so it’s for for sure we know that today
    technology is changing the world in a
    very fast way and maybe AI maybe
    blockchain internet has already changed
    the world you know we move the culture
    has shifted so fast in the last 20 years
    right most people I like to say this in
    my speeches and conferences most people
    underestimate what technology will do in
    10 years and overestimate what’s going
    to happen in two years but technology
    grows on a unlike every business grows
    like 10 20 30% a year you look pick up
    any car business restaurant business
    they grow on a normal normal growth rate
    right there’s so much to make a to grow
    a restaurant you have to create a new
    dish every time you have to keep
    creating a dish to but in technology or
    any other business in you want to sell a
    hotel room you have to clean the hotel
    room rep the hotel you want to sell
    clothing you have to make a new jacket
    new jacket new jacket technology you
    make the app once or you make the pro uh
    protocol once 7 billion people can use
    it tomorrow so technology grows J in
    exponentially grows in a J curve you go
    like this you don’t see any growth for
    the first few years like that’s where
    you have to be involved so you get the
    air drop you get it early right H you
    but then you have this point where
    people realize holy [ __ ] this is amazing
    and then everybody can start using it
    and that’s what happened we saw that
    happen with first with Facebook then
    with Instagram then with Snapchat and
    now with open AI chat GPT that was five
    days a million users right so Tik Tok
    month 100 million users so so that’s
    what technology is but there was 10
    years of AI being built that didn’t
    happen overnight people think going to
    change the world in the next two years
    that’s been 10 years of work happening
    or 50 years if you look at it 50 years
    if you look at it yeah so that’s the
    idea so right but now it’s the J curve
    the AI is going to remove so many it’s
    going to change the way everything
    happens today right 100% is going to
    change people have no idea
    what to expect when it comes to AI it’s
    going to change the world I could fire
    half my staff right now I obviously not
    done that but I could fire half my stuff
    today and replace them with AI people
    who know how to use AI are going to be
    the Supermen of the future the
    Superwoman of the future who can just
    use Ai and and make things happen Sam
    Alman was just saying there’s going to
    be this company soon a billion dollar
    company built by one person nii which is
    not possible before so I think that’s
    that’s that’s the world is definitely
    changing there’s a huge culture shift
    you know images how we used to watch
    look at images in the gallery then you
    start a photo now you scroll right
    movies you had you had you see proper
    you see proper movies then you started
    seeing short videos now you just scroll
    on Tik Tok you know the whole culture
    and everything even like relationships
    right there used to be marriage
    courtship then came sexual Freedom now
    you just swipe on an app right the
    culture is changing like we are and it’s
    not a gradual change it’s the change
    that been happening over the last many
    years a couple decades a metaverse is a
    big part about crypto I like to talk
    about this right I invested in over 200
    metaverse companies I own land in over
    like two dozen metaverses but a lot of
    it’s still early lot of it’s not
    developed so it’s still early in that
    opportunity we thought the metaverse
    would come around in the last bull run
    Facebook changed its name to Meta Meta
    what companies blew up and Facebook
    arguably the top five largest company in
    the world you know controls and minds
    and Nares a lot of people knows what
    people are thinking where people are
    moving there’s a big reason for m z to
    change his name to meta because he can
    predict the future better than most
    people can I like to say the best way to
    predict the future is to go build it who
    the guy’s building it so you want to
    know you want to listen to them right
    and so I think with what the metaverse
    most people think of this virtual place
    where you know like movie where you go
    and like live but I I like to think of
    metav warus moment in time like in in AI
    you have this idea of Singularity where
    Aral intelligence is better than human
    intelligence that’s when you’re living
    in the singularity I think in the
    metaverse is this moment in time when
    our Digital Life matters more to us than
    our physical life and what you see
    that’s been happening over the last few
    decades is that 100% of our attention
    used to be in the physical world that’s
    where all of our attention used to be
    then came TVs they sucked our attention
    into the digital world 15 20% of time
    people would spend watching TV all day
    so that’s like 80% of physical 20%
    digital then came computers massive
    change you know another 30 40% went to
    the digital now people are spending half
    their time on the digital world and the
    other half on the physical world and now
    with iPhones you go to a restaurant you
    go to a cinema people AR like always on
    their phone like you’re spending 80% of
    your time in the digital world even if
    you’re talking to somebody you’re still
    on the phone you’re always aler with
    Apple watch seeing what’s happening you
    know you’re spending so much of your
    time into the digital world and what’s
    going to happen eventually is with the
    Apple Vision Pro which just came out
    you’re basically in the digital world at
    all times yes you have augmented reality
    you have the screen I can see you but
    I’m also seeing the screen yeah but my
    attention is always in the digital in
    the digital way this is not a new thing
    so I was actually building apps for
    Google Glass back in 2013 I was one of
    the first 10 people in the world to make
    apps for that they used to call me a
    glass hole because nobody liked having a
    guy with a camera here walking in front
    of them it was too early for its time
    but it’s happened now now because Apple
    launched everybody welcomes it everybody
    wants to buy the Apple version Pro it’s
    a little bit expensive probably give it
    a couple years before it becomes
    accessible to everybody right but it’s
    happening and wherever your energy goes
    that wherever your attention goes that’s
    where your energy goes wherever your
    attention go that’s where your energy
    flows and wherever your energy flows
    that’s what you’re living in the
    metaverse so I think it’s going to
    become much more important for people to
    live in the metaverse and people are
    going to start spending a lot more time
    and it’s a gradual change that’s been
    happening and technology is making this
    change possible so how we live how we
    play how we connect is all going to be
    disrupted by technology and it’s already
    being disrupted by technology in a very
    big way and repb 3 is one of those uh
    techn technology innovations that has
    happened that’s going to distribute
    governance I like to say and distribute
    power back but I said of web three all
    of technology is changing how you do
    everything 100% and we’re already in a
    metaverse sometimes people think oh I
    have to be an avatar in a room hanging
    out in some land no you’re in a
    metaverse if you’re on a zoom call
    you’re in a metaverse you’re already in
    a metaverse if you’re interacting
    digitally with another human that is
    that’s the IDE that’s what I that’s
    that’s what it is if you’re spending if
    you care like how do people used to play
    people used to play basketball and
    football now they play fortnite more
    people play fortnite than basketball and
    football combined right that just tells
    you more kids play fortnite so that’s
    living in the metaverse how do people
    work you used to go to a boardroom you
    now you do everything on Zoom that’s
    living in the metaverse how do people uh
    play work you know enjoy like identity
    what matters more to you your life on
    Instagram how you look on Instagram how
    you look into your life you could be
    your pajamas on your bed yeah we much
    care much more L my photo that I’m
    posting and that depends on your age to
    a certain extent so my dad who’s 81 he
    doesn’t have a digital identity my sons
    are six and seven years old their
    digital identity is everything and a
    teenage girl in high school like you
    know her digital identity could be the
    most important thing it’s it’s more
    important to them than their real life
    yeah they don’t care if they have
    pimples in real life and it affects
    their health they care they’re I have
    pimples in the photo so that’s much more
    important right and that tells you at
    that point
    you are already living in the metaverse
    you can say whatever you want but when
    your Digital Life matters more to you
    you are already living in the metaverse
    it’s only a question matter of time when
    the Avatar is going to be there that’s
    going to represent you that’s probably
    the future and I like I like you know
    it’s it’s it’s I’m I’m very grateful and
    I’m very blessed and I always I’m always
    grateful for the life I have had today
    because of the opportunities and places
    I’ve had I can live my real life you
    know I can go out every night to the bar
    I can buy drinks I can enjoy I can fly
    where I want to go I can try
    I come from a place like India where 600
    million people that’s as as many people
    in the U in Europe double people in us
    uh they don’t have the same
    opportunities they make $500 a month and
    then you look at Africa it’s a similar
    situation right for these people when
    they’re making only that few hundred a
    month you know they don’t have the same
    opportunities that I do or that we do
    for them the metor is a blessing a great
    example is for example Romero burito is
    the most licensed artist in the history
    of of the world you know he’s got the
    most licenses with most most brands he
    has he has the largest Art Gallery in
    the world the physical Art Gallery in
    Miami if you want to go to his physical
    Art Gallery you got to be his private
    art collector his artist starting
    cheapest one is like tens of thousands
    of dollars so you can’t really go to his
    Gallery unless you are already very
    influential very wealthy so like how can
    the rest of the world the 9 person will
    enjoy that Gallery experience and see
    that Romero who’s the most licensed
    artist history in the history of the
    world has created all this amazing art
    all this time that’s why I’m working
    with him to create his metaverse Gallery
    so now for like a dollar or just some
    doing some Quest you know some airdrop
    and running after maybe sharing his
    photos or art you can join his metav
    Gallery see all the people and amazing
    people that he’s worked with amazing
    Creations he has made amazing Brands and
    you can see that guy’s history and enjoy
    you’re not going to be the same
    experience as in the real Gallery but as
    close as you can get to it without
    spending the tens of thousands of
    dollars that you would need to go to the
    real Gallery right so I think that’s
    very exciting so I think metaverse is
    going to and and and it’s going to
    change the way for the big a huge part
    of the world more than half three
    billion people which is a big part of
    the world is going to change the world
    and how they live and how they play and
    I think it’s going to be why do you
    think Tik Tok grew the fastest in India
    it grew the fastest in India because 600
    million people in India got access to
    Internet for the first time when the
    India’s billionaire mes Amani gave
    internet to free to all these people
    with Geo these people had no internet
    before and now what did they have they
    had internet so all their time Tik Tok
    watching entertaining themselves they
    can’t go to the bar they can’t go to the
    restaurant they can’t go every night to
    spend money afford it they can’t afford
    it they got to feed their family in that
    500 or so dollars maybe it’s 300 maybe
    it’s 800 you know that number is
    irrelevant the point is you to support a
    family and that’s all you have you can’t
    really go out and enjoy your real life
    like you see on Instagram other people
    doing so for them but you could do that
    in the metaverse you know you could
    spend that time online and that’s what
    is really happening and that’s that’s
    changing the way of the world in a very
    very big way and soon they could now
    work in the metaverse they could get
    those same air drops that’s what is
    happening so we saw the last bull market
    the big adoption I wrote about this on
    articles on coin Telegraph and fobes
    where I said the last bull market will
    come because of gamei there was going to
    be a big adoption of people going to
    play games and earn tokens and that’s
    exactly what happened in Philippines and
    Vietnam where 5-year-old children and
    50-year-old grandmas started playing
    these games not because they enjoyed it
    but because they were able to earn this
    money cuz somebody in y Europe or in the
    US you know their their mother’s credit
    card is already attached to the iPad
    they’re going to spend $10 to just
    upgrade the level quickly but in
    Philippines if you can make $10 a day
    you’re doing great if you can do that
    while playing a game sitting on your
    couch not having to do labor or hard
    intensive work which you’re not
    passionate about you’re going to do that
    you’re not going to go do that labor job
    and if you can do a little bit better
    it’s because there’s some s of skill
    involved if you can make $ 20 $30 a day
    Hallelujah you’re doing a lot better
    than you were doing your normal labor
    job you’re driving a taxi or being a
    waiter so at that point uh web 3 is
    bought that adoption in right and I
    think that’s what is really that’s again
    when you bring tokenization into these
    things is really it becomes really
    really exciting that’s what so we
    already live in the metaverse now with
    web3 being attached to it people are
    trying to make a economy out of it if
    because what’s going to happen
    eventually is like what’s happening in
    the real world also right wherever
    attention goes and that asset becomes
    more valuable wise property in London or
    in New York or in Paris worth way more
    than in in some part of Africa or some
    part of Vietnam or some part of India
    because this where people want to be
    this where more people want to come and
    this is the prices go up this is demand
    and Supply I think the metor will become
    like they’re going to have a lot of
    different metaverses but the ones that
    people actually want to spend time in
    where people actually want to give their
    attention the asset prices of those
    metaverses will go up but in this time
    it’s open you can still have the chance
    to invest in London and madhattan 200
    years ago because we are we are part of
    the change this current generation that
    we have we are literally seeing this
    change take place from going to a world
    where 100% attention was in the physical
    world and now 100% attention the digital
    world is happening in our generation
    this was not happening before us so you
    have this chance now to really maybe buy
    property in London and New York 200
    years ago you know and that’s the that’s
    the kind of opportunity that a lot of
    people have today and cuz we are still
    building this this next gen generation
    you know we had this I don’t know I
    don’t not know the what the homo sapiens
    and this all this evolution of mankind
    of human now with neur Lanes there’s
    chips planted into people they
    successfully had that already done uh
    where they already had a chip and the
    person is happy to have that chip like I
    said technology grows exponentially not
    linearly so it’s not going to be 100
    years before everybody will chip
    probably a few years where everybody
    will have chips that will make them
    smarter and people are going to enjoy
    doing this instead of having a phone
    this will be your phone or this the
    phone is in your eye like so that that
    progress is coming and when that
    progress happens you spend start
    spending more and more time in the
    metaverse the metaverses that actually
    contain the attention are going to be
    worth a lot more than the the land in
    that metor is going to be worth a lot
    more than the land in New York or Paris
    that’s fascinating man talk to me about
    art because you are a huge art collector
    you also bought a ton of nfts in the
    past and I’d love to hear a list of your
    con of your collections obviously the
    nft market was super bullish and it was
    a kind of bubble it crashed but then
    last year we saw the ordinals market
    explode in a crazy way which is
    basically kind of an nft on the Bitcoin
    chain um what do you see is the future
    of nfts of Art and just tell me like in
    your opinion like what is art and what
    is digital art because at the end of the
    day we are humans we want to connect
    somehow and art is a way for us to
    connect and digital art is is also maybe
    the next evolution of that so there’s a
    there’s a there’s a couple questions in
    there that I can answer in different way
    ways like what is nfts and then what is
    art and what is digital art so nfts
    right now most people think of nfts as
    digital art that’s not true nft is a
    technology nft is a nonf fungible token
    when you have one Bitcoin I have one
    Bitcoin we put in a in a bowl and then
    we take it out together it’s still the
    same Bitcoin right it doesn’t make a
    difference your Bitcoin is not better
    than my Bitcoin and nft is basically a
    non-fungible token where I have
    something different attached to my token
    you have something different attached
    it’s nonf fungible and so that’s why
    they have different values
    maybe I have a photo of a pig with a
    green hat you have a photo of a pig with
    a yellow cap and that’s why they have
    different values because that speaks to
    different people so that’s the nft but
    nfts is basically uh it can also be used
    as a technology I think in the very
    close future our driving license our
    passport our identity documents land
    records car records everything will
    become an nft and instead of storing I
    don’t like to store any of my like like
    my watch paper documents is sitting in
    my house in Tulum my ownership property
    for property I own in zanar is sitting
    in my house in India like it’s all a
    mess right I have all these assets that
    are around the world and ownership of
    those assets are basically pieces of
    paper that are sitting in different
    parts of the world and like to compile
    them is also a problem let’s say I’m
    sitting in India talking to deal I’m
    like all right this watch is yours oh
    but I have to go to Tulum to pick up
    that paper and send it to you so that’s
    the problem right so nfts are basically
    that ownership on chain so it becomes a
    digital asset so it is in your wallet
    and you can always prove ownership
    because it’s h you can’t lie the
    blockchain never lies right that’s the
    best part so that’s what nfts I think is
    going to be the real
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    to Brian and everyone at London reel and
    the defi Academy for even putting
    together an amazing course like this
    anybody else that wants to do it please
    sign up it is well worth the money

    Brian Rose: London Real
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    Angel Investor & 2X Forbes Top 30 Under 30 Entrepreneur.

    Technology is reshaping the very fabric of our existence. From the seamless connectivity of the digital age to the boundless opportunities unlocked by artificial intelligence, the impact of technology is revolutionising industries, amplifying human potential, and fostering innovation at an unprecedented pace.

    It serves as a catalyst for societal change, influencing how we interact with the world; redefining what’s possible, and propelling us to a future where the boundaries of imagination blur with reality.

    Our social media platforms have evolved into digital town squares, where ideas are exchanged, communities forged, and movements born. Meanwhile, advancements in virtual and augmented reality are transcending physical limitations, offering immersive experiences that redefine how we perceive and interact with our surroundings.

    With each innovation, technology is not only shaping our external environment but also shaping the very essence of the human experience, challenging us to reconsider the boundaries of possibility and paving the way for a future limited only by the scope of our imagination.

    Today’s guest is someone who understands this more than most, and believes wholeheartedly in the power of technology to create a better, more harmonious world that enriches the lives of the many, not the few. Evan Luthra is a serial entrepreneur, blockchain expert, investor, and motivational speaker.

    Like many an entrepreneur before him, Evan’s light was shining bright from a young age as his insatiable curiosity for all things digital, saw him create a tech-centric news platform that built up a readership of more than 250,000, all at the tender age of 12. Evan duly sold this business for $1.7 million as a world of opportunity opened up in front of his eyes.

    A Forbes 30 Under 30 luminary at 27, Evan’s trajectory skyrocketed alongside the birth of Bitcoin and the blockchain, where Evan found a home for his innovative approach and the opportunity to invest in the type of ventures that are reimagining the world as we know it.

    Staying perpetually ahead of the curve, he’s become a household name in startup circles, pioneering a slew of companies and crafting products embraced by millions worldwide.

    Through Startup Studio, his cutting edge incubator fund, Evan empowers non-tech entrepreneurs with the tools and marketing necessary to take their business ideas to the next level and with over 400 companies nurtured, Evan’s commitment to fostering innovation knows no bounds.

    A sought-after speaker on the global stage, Evan’s insights on entrepreneurship, and emerging tech trends have captivated audiences at prestigious venues worldwide. From TED Talks to the halls of academia, Evan’s expertise underscores his commitment to exploring and embracing the next frontier of digital innovation.

    Evan’s someone I really enjoy spending time with. His energy and attitude are infectious, while his bold outlook for the future is one of hope. If you’re looking for the latest insights from the world of crypto and blockchain or harbouring business ideas of your own, this is an interview you do not want to miss. Big things are happening in the world, and it’s only by getting informed and levelling up that you can take advantage of this profound economic shift.

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