The Best Way To Predict the Future Is To Build It – Brian Rose & Evan Luthra
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the best way to predict the future is to
go build
it the reason why I like to be in web 3
and blockchain is because the smartest
people in the world are in this space
and working on building cool things the
technolog is eventually going to disrupt
existing industries that we know and
they’re going to solve problems around
us you told me the other night you said
look I’m not a Trader I’m an investor
tell me what that means and tell me the
way that you engage in the market
trading is one of the easiest way to get
rep I invested in a business early on
and that business creates value and that
creates wealth in trading it’s player
versus player you’re taking money from
somebody else so there’s no wealth being
creative the bull market is back you’ve
seen a few Cycles you’re pretty much OG
in this space what do you think is hot
what’s happening bitcoin’s adoption is
growing there’s more and more people
understanding why we need Bitcoin it
takes away that Central Power where
there’s some individuals decide how the
power is distributed and gives it back
to the people when that headline goes
around the world that it’s an alltime
high in Bitcoin where people are going
to be like oh that’s that crypto stuff
everyone’s been talking about now it’s
back you can’t stop technical progress
it will eventually come the better
solution will eventually win and Bitcoin
is just a better form of
money my mother doesn’t understand
technology that well at all but she’s
always had these basic qualities about
living life is like always think
longterm always think about how you can
add value for others always give more
than you take my mother’s insane like
her full-time job is to
pray final thoughts for anybody listen
ing out there I like to leave people
with EV e v a n e for enthusiasm you got
to be enthusiastic about what you do
Vision the bigger you dream the big
better it is a voice is always ask ask
for things you want because if you don’t
ask you don’t get and then n is Nimble
moving fast and delivering results
because you know that you’re building
something that’s going add Val to the
world for me freedom is my number one
priority in life and I value that above
most things in life and if I can give
that to somebody else I think that would
truly be legendary
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this is London real I am Brian Rose my
guest today is Evan luthra the serial
entrepreneur blockchain expert investor
and motivational speaker your journey
began at age 12 when you began writing a
technology blog and then developed an
app that helped you reach millions of
readers you sold your first business for
$1.7 million at 17 years old and made
the Forbes 30 under 30 list at the age
of 27 you first discovered bit coin back
in 2014 and from there began investing
heavily in the blockchain space today
you’ve built and invested in over 400
companies with a combined market cap in
excess of $100 billion you are a member
of the Forbes Technology Council and
regularly contribute to fores magazine
entrepreneur and coin Telegraph
ultimately you believe that web 3 has
the power to transform the lives of
millions of people around the world and
that Bitcoin represents the biggest
wealth transfer in Generations Evan
welcome to London re thank you Brian
pleasure to be here today it’s great to
have you here you know what I think we
jump right into it because the bull
market is back and I want to just jump
into your brain and find out what is
Evan thinking about what the next 12 to
18 months holds for us what do you think
is hot what’s happening and I think what
everyone wants to know is what are you
investing in you’ve seen a few Cycles
you’re pretty much OG in this space so
what do you see coming up I mean for me
it’s very very exciting to see what’s
happening in the crypto markets right
now we all knew this was going to happen
right all these last cycles that we’ve
got this is my third bull cycle as I
would say it’s I’m properly involved in
and um you know what what was happening
is basically bitcoin’s adoption is
growing there’s more and more people
understanding what’s happening with
Bitcoin why we need Bitcoin and why we
need to take power away from the
governments and from the banks and I
think that’s what’s really happening
what happened during the last cycle was
you know at first the big banks used to
say Bitcoin is a fraud Bitcoin is a scam
they realized they can’t stop most
people eventually realize that you can
only delay technical progress you can’t
stop technical progress it will
eventually come the better solution will
eventually win and Bitcoin is just a
better form of money right and that’s
why I think it’s it’s able to get all
these adoption and now with ETFs we’re
seeing over 10 times more demand for
Bitcoin every day than Bitcoin is
actually created there’s more than 10x
the demand for Bitcoin every single day
just from the ETFs than that Bitcoin
actually being created and that’s been
the graph ever since the ETFs have gone
live and it’s been a really really
exciting time
I mean to most people actually tell them
you need to if you want to understand
Bitcoin you have to ask why do you need
Banks why do you need governments and to
really understand that you have to go
back a few few centuries in time and you
have to understand you need Banks and
governments to enable trade in different
parts of the world somebody from the UK
wants to do some business with somebody
from India you that’s what banks and
governments enable that enable the trade
to take place in a in a matter that was
trusted between both parties but what’s
happened over this many years is that
these Banks and government have become
quite corrupt so now they serve their
own friends they don’t really serve the
public anymore they’re not a public
servant as this were supposed to be and
I think that’s what Bitcoin is truly
solving right today if I want to get a
loan I can walk into any bank and get a
loan in a minute but my chef my driver
who actually needs the loan which will
have a lot more impact for them than to
me they can’t get a loan they they can’t
get that because they don’t know the
bank manager right I mean and that’s
what’s problem in politics and
government and and banking today and I
think that’s what Bitcoin solved it
takes away that Central Power where the
some individuals decide how the power is
distributed and gives it back to the
people with Bitcoin you’re
decentralizing governance you’re
decentralizing power I think that’s
really really exciting and what what
happened over what happens every cycle
is that we see adoption coming in right
Bitcoin Works in Cycles because of the
way it’s been designed there’s this Hing
that happens every four years that cuts
the supply of Bitcoin for the same
amount of effort that goes in by half
and every as every as we reach every
having it attracts a lot of people to
the to the Bitcoin ecosystem and we see
the growth coming in I think that’s what
is really happening now that the
adoption is really reaching that Tipping
Point I think this may be the biggest uh
super cycle in a way where Bitcoin
reaches everybody to or at least a big
part of the world we’re already seeing
massive amounts of people in places like
Venezuela turkey the Eastern Europe
where there’s either like war or
unstability political instability or
there’s high amounts of inflation
already like 50% of people almost using
cryptocurrencies all the time I talk
these people like all the time people
from Argentina or turkey where the are
even Malaysia I was talking to a friend
just a couple days ago the Malaysian
ring has fallen like over 50% against
the US dollar in the last many years so
people are losing their purchasing power
America keeps on printing more and more
US Dollars which is backed by nothing
but the trust in the Army and then they
start they keep exporting that inflation
because the world still runs on the US
dollar right so they they they create
that inflation and they EXP that
inflation to other countries and these
countries are suffering these countries
are suffering in a really big way and I
think Bitcoin takes away that power from
this you know institutions and gives it
back to the people one Bitcoin is always
one Bitcoin and what what you can get
with that one Bitcoin is going up over
history and it’s not going down compared
to what you get when you have Fiat
currencies over time there’s not a
single fiat currency has actually
survived right not one single fat
currency has actually survived we don’t
know if Bitcoin Will Survive we
technology what one thing I tend to PTY
is they underestimate technology
technology grows really really fast it
grows exponentially so we may have a
better form of money but as of today we
don’t have anything better than Bitcoin
right and I think it’s the smartest form
of money out there the best way to store
value it’s easy to transport it’s secure
nobody can take it from you and I think
that’s the best way to look at it is
this like more of getting people’s
attention to a certain extent because it
feels like every cycle more and more
people hear about Bitcoin and then they
they always have to to learn about it
because sometimes it’s complicated to
own the ETF changes that but once they
get it I guess they call it orange
pilling someone a lot of people then go
into it but again it’s hard to get
people’s attention now we’re close to
the all-time high I was telling my
students yesterday when that headline
goes around the world that it’s an
all-time high in Bitcoin that is a huge
pattern interrupt right Marsh mclan
called about called talked about that a
pattern interrupt where people are going
to be like oh that’s that crypto stuff
everyone’s been talking about now it’s
back yeah and that would get a lot of
people attention and you’re saying that
might be the final push exactly everyone
knows about cuz like you said cuz it’s
easier to access Bitcoin now and also
technology is growing right so we needed
that we didn’t have the infrastructure
for a long time in the web 3 space
people to actually be on boarded you
can’t expect my mother to go and
download a metamask create a wallet save
a private key preserve that in a safe
way you can’t expect a lot of people to
do that so we are now seeing these tools
that have come in where now you have
phones that are basically crypto phones
so you are crypto is becoming so much uh
part of life for a lot of people that it
becomes very easy and I think that’s
what technology is doing and the
infrastructure as we say is being built
and is at a place where a lot more
people can be onboarded and those who
are actually have interest can be on
boarded at this point with the
infrastructure that’s available today
and game five for example which is the
biggest narratives I’m might invest in
over 150 web three games and has been
one of the most exciting ways to onboard
people because if you look at what
happened with gaming right uh the
ecosystem was always locked right you
would have these big game Publishers
publish a game players would spend hours
and hours playing earning these skins
which they pay the publisher for and
then they leave the game and the Skins
are there you know they can’t do
anything with it but with with the
weapons are there whatever they earn in
the game the in-game assets but now with
nfts and web 3 these assets become
tradable uh but an individual is still
playing the game because he wants to
enjoy the game like he would play any
other way but now what the time he
spends into the game he can earn these
ass and he can sell them at the end of
the game and that creates an economy
that creates a financial incentive
around that when you do that it it opens
up a lot more adoption right and I think
that’s just one of the examples of how
like gamey is bringing a big adoption to
crypto and web 3 I like to say like the
children who are going to be born now
who going to be playing iPad games you
know already already for the last many
years children who are being born are
born with iPads in their hand they play
iPads all day that’s how parents keep
the kids entertained these days but the
people are going to be born now who
going to play these next games are going
to be web three games they’re not just
playing games they’re actually making
money or they’re actually earning
in-game asset they’re learning about
Finance from a very young age they’re
learning about Bitcoin from a very young
age because eventually you buy earn that
game token you say this is interesting
and then you look at you you get more
you get you get more you get more
interested you look more into it I think
that’s what is going to happen at a very
big pace and there is one of the uh
Industries this adoption happening in
every other industry as we know there’s
a lot of Point systems like the world
runs on that’s all been coming to web 3
I was just talking to the the head of
air Baltic one of the airlines so I
travel a lot I’ve been crazy about
collecting miles and you know optimizing
my travel and then this guy is just and
I I have these all these miles which I
expire now because I’m at a point now
where I just I I I don’t spend so much
time optimizing that I used to when I
was younger so I don’t use so many of
those points and they expire right but
now air Baltic is working in a system
where you can actually sell those points
like you can have you can nft them and
you make an whole economy around that so
that’s like value that I can like that
was sitting there but I couldn’t use now
I can extract that value is web 3 so I
think there’s a lot of adoption
happening and there are a lot of
companies coming in and this happened
even before so it did it’s not like it
didn’t happen before Microsoft was like
Selling Stuff Tesla was selling with
Bitcoin even the last bull market what
happened was there were the
infrastructure was not able to support
it the transaction fees were too high
the storage there was those those
infrastructure was not there but that
infra that’s what people are doing every
day the reason why I like to be in web 3
and blockchain is because the smartest
people in the world
are in the space and working on building
cool things I don’t I don’t work for
money anymore I like to work because I
enjoy doing it that’s the only type of
work I do right and in web 3 you get to
work with the smartest people in this
industry that’s really exciting and you
can never discount the hard work of
smart people So eventually you see this
adoption happening where now the
infrastructure layer the the foundation
is strong and people can actually build
tools people can actually build web
three solutions and they can actually
tokenize their economy or the or the or
the company or the industry and have
massive growth and now we for example
security tokens I was actually early
into one of the First Security token
offerings high. Tech back in 2018 we
this company did really really well they
raised a lot of money but it was a
security token even till today there’s
not really that many places we can trade
a security token but now this year a big
narrative is real world assets
tokenizing real world assets which
basically a security right you’re you’re
buying a property and you’re take
tokenizing that and then you’re sell and
you’re bringing all this liquidity on
chain so that’s like real estate is a
trillion multiple multi- trillion dollar
asset when that comes on chain on crypto
there’s a huge there’s huge amounts of
growth that’s going to be coming into
the space and that’s just one of the
examples but the infrastructure didn’t
exist people had ideas to tokenize
property in the last bull cycle also but
there was no infrastructure you couldn’t
do it now you actually have the
infrastructure and that’s why that I
think this is one of the super Cycles
where we’re going to see massive growth
and I think it’s what crypto has been
the largest well transfer in generation
as we all know but I think this is the
time that we’re still very early we’re
still not not close to the alltime high
we’re not broken the alltime high so
people watching this like I think they
have the opportunity that they’re still
very early and they can still get in and
still like I like to even tell people
like when you get into crypto don’t come
in with the mindset like I have this
,000 I have this $10,000 how do I make
that into a 100 or how do I make that
into a million that’s the wrong mindset
right forget what you have think out of
the box and say I this individual I want
to understand what Bitcoin is I want to
understand web 3 is I want to understand
what tokenization is I want to
understand how it works and how can I
add value you know I’m passionate about
fashion I’m passionate about Hospitality
how can I use web 3 disrupt this
industry and you will find people with
similar ideas or similar passions
already working on cool products join
the telegram Community share ideas
become a community moderator you know
start adding value and you will win for
sure like like one of the quick easiest
ways to win in this industry is just
Chase aird drops like I like to say if
you’re able to spend 20 hours a week
this year chasing aird drops completing
challenges you will probably make
anywhere from $200 to $2 million in free
free money just by investing time you
don’t have to maybe you have to invest
$500 in gas fees over the whole year for
people that don’t know what that means
what does that mean chasing air drops
and what does someone have to do chasing
air drops is all these new companies
building uh building protocols and
Building Solutions they want people to
know about that and they have these
tokens like investors like myself pay
they normally sell 20% of those tokens
for like let’s say 2 million just to
give you high level numbers and they
keep the other 20% to distribute to the
community right and let’s say they
distribute $2 million worth of tokens to
the to the early adopters who use their
product right and and if you’re on the
website you’re on the they’re going to
give you credit for being there they’re
going to give you credit for being early
for being using the product and telling
your friends about it right and if
there’s not there’s hundreds of such
products coming right and if you spend
time an hour chasing uh you spend 20
hours or you chase 20 air drops a week
you end the year with a th air drops
each of those air drops you you there’s
I have I’ve had aird drops which have
reached six figures in volume but I was
obviously early so but that’s the key
you you can also be early all you need
to do is just be curious and understand
and spend some time and you know that’s
why I said find what you’re passionate
about and join one of those telegram
communities and find cuz technology is
end of the Bitcoin and blockchain is
just distributed Ledger technology the
technology is eventually going to
disrupt existing industries that we know
and they’re going to solve problems
around us right so if you can if you can
be in one of those Pro protocols or
projects that are solving Pro a problem
that you care about and if you’re an
early adopter and you’re early proper
you will get that airdrop and that
airdrop will be worth a lot of money and
I mean this is what a lot of people do
right now and this changes lives of
thousands of people that I know that
have changed lives just by chasing
airdrops and this is normally a better
strategy than trying to come in with
$10,000 and seeing how can I make my$
10,000 into a million I would rather
recommend give your time instead and
decide how can I add value to this space
crypto I love working with crypto
because I mean even before crypto like I
I have my own company I 200 Engineers
who work full-time for me the company is
still there I’m not that deeply involved
because I like to work in crypto and
crypto is amazing because here the more
value you create the more you get it’s
it’s purely a value centering economy if
you’re able to create value in web 3 you
get paid for that regard you’ll get paid
sooner or later you will get paid sooner
or later like Karma it’s like Karma it’s
like this industry is I love that about
it it’s purely about Karma you are here
adding value for others you will get
value back and it’s it’s it’s not like
other places where and in crypto like
most of my team which works with me they
all get po they get paid a cut of what
I’m making it’s not based on a salary
which all my other employees in my VB to
business were like I would keep 99% of
the value generated they would build the
app they would build the solution but
only make that you know fixed salary a
month versus when the app became really
successful I would get all of that value
that’s how web 2 used to work they maybe
have a little bit of ESOP you know but
that’s not really the same but here I’m
talking like 30 40 50% of what I make
goes back to my team right and I’m happy
you do that and I make a lot more this
way but I’m happy you do that also
because you know I’m winning I realize
that you when you look at just purely
numbers you’re like oh you’re paying too
much when you do that over a while you
realize that you’re making way more than
you would have if this team was not
actually with you right so that’s the
that’s and and crypto is purely like
that like this is industry where you add
value you get value back very quickly
and I think that’s very that’s very very
um beautiful about this space that and
and that’s why there’s like I said the
smartest people in the space work here
in blockchain web 3 it’s so true and
like I I guess in the web 2 world over
time if you added a ton of value you
might get it back but there was so many
frictions exactly in the web two space
here with these tokens that can
literally move like lightning find that
if you’re putting out good energy that
sooner or later they’re going to find
their way back to your wallet somehow
exactly if you put if you put in a good
so it’s also all about collaboration
versus competitiveness VB 2 and
generally the world most Industries are
very competitive they compete with each
other how does Zara want to sell more
than H&M how does this guy want to get
more than that like how do I compete how
do I beat how do a Ferrari sell more
than Lamborghini right in web 3
everybody like works together we
collaborate I don’t care like hedge
funds they like I would have get the
best deal for myself in crypto I share
my best deals to the people because they
bring me the best deals back so it’s
like it’s very collaborative Society
because you know everybody wins the
community wins too right the community
wins too but when everybody wins that
everybody’s more happy you also want to
be in a position where you have people
around you all winning that’s how you
have more success when you when the
people around you all start winning and
then they can enable people around them
to also win and that then you’re
basically in a winning circle and I
think in crypto because it’s so new in a
way it’s still barely and we know it’s a
disruptive technology we know it’s going
to have such an impact because because
it’s Finance Finance runs the world and
we know it’s going to change the how the
financing system is run I think it’s
going to but it’s still very early
there’s still many people have to be
touched by it so eventually the whole
industry will grow and if you are in
that industry adding value one way or
the other you will just grow with the
industry as the industry grows and
that’s what has happened in web 3 for a
lot of people I know more than 10 CEOs
who have started projects who all
started as Community moderators this
started as basically joining a community
in crypto became a moderator where they
just help other people who join and you
know how to get involved and what they
can do for that Community they realized
hey this is a problem I can fix started
building a company and now they’re doing
all doing super well you know many of
those companies have gone on to create
tens of millions of dollar in value
where this founder was basically a
community moderator maybe less than
$1,000 a month when he started so that’s
the beautiful thing about crypto when
you there and you you find that once you
understand web 3 Once you understand
crypto you become already the special I
mean 1 to 10% of the world you can
actually explain it to other other
people because a lot of people still
don’t understand a big downside about
crypto I also it’s like most people
don’t do their own research they depend
on other people to tell them what to do
I think that’s just maybe human life uh
most people just look up to other people
that’s why you influencers like
ourselves have so much influence in the
space because people look up I always
tell people do your own research do your
own research don’t do what I do because
I even I don’t know what I’m doing you
know I’m I’m learning with you this
industry grows so fast it changes every
day even I don’t know what I’m doing at
sometimes and and it’s better to do your
own research but most people still don’t
do that they don’t do that they’d rather
still ask me again or ask somebody else
like what should I buy or what should I
do because they don’t have that
self-confidence in a way what they don’t
know is that even the guys at the top
are literally building it right now
they’re still building the protocol it’s
the development is happening every day
even we are the difference is we are
okay to we are Nimble we okay we can
move fast and break things it’s okay in
crypto to break things it’s not a
problem you can fail and you can start
again you fail again you can start again
and that’s what we have seen some of the
biggest companies in crypto have failed
FTX Luna and look we are almost back to
the all-time high probably the next
couple weeks everybody who ever bought
Bitcoin will be in profit and that’s
after some of the biggest companies in
the world failing yeah right so that
tells you a lot yeah
like I think we’re at like 4% Global
adoption or 5% which is like 1998 in
Internet years so if you think about
what was the internet doing in ’98 were
were people even on the internet in ’98
probably barely and you’re thinking
about okay that’s how much growth we
have to go for people that are new I
think before you said look starting off
with Bitcoin is like a no-brainer get
some maybe understand that Bitcoin and
then from there you say you you can
broaden out maybe look at a layer one
maybe look at some defi I think you’re a
fan of exchange tokens cuz those always
seem to survive
then you talk about gaming and AI is
that kind of a path that you recommend
obviously they should do their own
research but is that a way to kind of
look at the ecosystem so obviously so
tokenization generally is what is
happening here right and tokenization is
happening and when you say you mention
all these different narratives AI rwa
exch exchanges are great tokens because
they have a very strong utility right so
the more the utility a token has the
more it has potential to grow and that’s
what you need to look into and there’s
these narratives that crypto has will
have more impact on the sudden industry
and less impact on other industry I like
to tell people tokenization is going to
change the world like in a big way
because every every business every
ecosystem every is going to become a dow
going to become tokenized and a very
simple way to explain this is right now
I ask you what’s the best car to buy
what’s your favorite car Brian oh like
in general yeah I actually don’t love
cars but I drive I don’t drive also I
just use the example I drive for 10
years but I use this example because
mostly everybody loves car I drove
around in Some Guy’s super car it was I
called like Jesco is some Swedish $10
million Supercar I guess that was kind
of cool okay so yeah you would you would
probably say a Rolls-Royce or Bugatti or
I think that’s a coin I don’t know how
to pronounce that name that’s it co yeah
that’s it that one I know the jessco but
yeah so either you will say that you
know I would say maybe by Rolls-Royce I
don’t drive you know I like to be driven
um but this is right now in the current
world let’s say Toyota and Honda come up
with a token they already have shares
but they’re not accessible you have to
be a credited investor or only
accessible to like less than 10% of
population who can actually access
shares of these companies but Mo most
people can’t access but let’s say they
come out with a token easily tradeable
anybody can have that and then that
token allows you to have some sort of
claim in the business for a business to
be really successful there’s three
stakeholders involved there’s a user of
the business the manager of the business
and the owner of the business right now
everybody wants different things they
all want the user wants to get the
cheapest product the best product owner
wants to make the most money and the
mager wants to basically keep everybody
happy and make the business grow but the
incentives are not aligned with a token
you you make the user a pot owner and a
pot manager and you align the incentives
when you let’s say Honda and toota come
with the token and you get the Honda
token I get the Toyota token and next
time somebody asks us to buy and if he
recommend Toyota we get a claim of
sliver of Revenue that Toyota makes I’m
going to say buy a Toyota you’re going
to say buy a Honda because you’re a part
owner even if one person ends up buying
maybe you get a few pennies in your
inbox right so that’s the difference you
make a part owner let’s The Next Step
from that is which we’re already seeing
with Dows I wrote about this in end of
2022 where I think how it’s going to be
the year of dows and we only just seeing
now a lot of progress with what what
happens is like as now if Honda and
toota make 10 billion let’s say in the
year the board decides where that 10
billion is invested maybe that boat is
not in the right mindset right maybe
they don’t have the exposure what the
people actually want but as a token
holder you can actually vote you know I
want you to build a yacht and invest in
a new yacht because I like to be on the
water maybe you say invest in a new
plane because he like to fly you want to
have more efficient flying so instead of
the company deciding now the user
actually has a pot say and I think that
makes it a lot more align incentive and
that’s how people actually feel more
part of the business when you make the
user a part or apart money that’s when
business exponential growth and we’re
going to see this happen with every
business as we know it as as more and
more people have wallets as more and
more business get tokenized as we
tokenize real estate or eventually every
business I believe will also be to
tokenized and we will be living in this
you could say a cult or some people
would like whichever token you have
that’s the company you support that’s
the company you feel for and you know
that’s that’s that’s the company that
you actually help grow and I think
that’s going to help businesses also
become a lot better in how they do and
how they deal with their customers do
you think web 3 changes the world
fundamentally as uh human relationships
because like you said this whole
competition thing has been drilled into
us we’ve even been told that it’s based
in Darwinism which some people disagree
with that uh Peter teal famous investor
says compet is for losers which I love
that concept and he says in school we’re
taught to compete with each other which
is silly because all of the great people
don’t compete with each other they go do
their own crazy ideas whether you’re
Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or whatever web
3 it instills cooperation yeah do you
think as this gets adopted more and more
the world might actually change to where
we actually realize that we cooperate
with each other and then we go forward
you think it actually can change
Humanity not just corporations or
protocols so remember web three and
Technology I like to say even before web
3 right I was always deep in technology
and I’ve been using technology to make
all the impact that I’ve been able to do
and I invest in technology and when I
look at businesses in web3 and outside
of web3 I like I like to see how they’re
using technology to disrupt things so
web 3 is going to give us the tools to
basically enable decentralization enable
distributed governance enable finally
giving power back to the Common Man web
3 is going to give us his tools but
remember we saw a lot of friction the
elite don’t want to lose that power they
don’t want to they don’t want to let
that power go they tried for a long time
to say Bitcoin is a scam and Bitcoin is
a fraud they just realized they couldn’t
stop it and then they’re like okay let’s
see how we can collect fees on it so now
they’re trying to make the Fe so the
people web 3 is a tool how we use it and
how we implement it technology and how
we use that in our day-to-day life is
going to depend on the on the people
that is the humans that actually make
that thing happen so end of the day web
3 is definitely a great tool and it can
make Humanity a lot better technology
generally is a great tool I like to be
lot in VB 3 because that’s the part in
technology that’s the space in
technology where I feel very happy
working because it’s all about giving
back it’s all about collaboration it
feels great to be involved in this space
AI is another technology that’s going to
change the world in a very very big way
so it’s for for sure we know that today
technology is changing the world in a
very fast way and maybe AI maybe
blockchain internet has already changed
the world you know we move the culture
has shifted so fast in the last 20 years
right most people I like to say this in
my speeches and conferences most people
underestimate what technology will do in
10 years and overestimate what’s going
to happen in two years but technology
grows on a unlike every business grows
like 10 20 30% a year you look pick up
any car business restaurant business
they grow on a normal normal growth rate
right there’s so much to make a to grow
a restaurant you have to create a new
dish every time you have to keep
creating a dish to but in technology or
any other business in you want to sell a
hotel room you have to clean the hotel
room rep the hotel you want to sell
clothing you have to make a new jacket
new jacket new jacket technology you
make the app once or you make the pro uh
protocol once 7 billion people can use
it tomorrow so technology grows J in
exponentially grows in a J curve you go
like this you don’t see any growth for
the first few years like that’s where
you have to be involved so you get the
air drop you get it early right H you
but then you have this point where
people realize holy [ __ ] this is amazing
and then everybody can start using it
and that’s what happened we saw that
happen with first with Facebook then
with Instagram then with Snapchat and
now with open AI chat GPT that was five
days a million users right so Tik Tok
month 100 million users so so that’s
what technology is but there was 10
years of AI being built that didn’t
happen overnight people think going to
change the world in the next two years
that’s been 10 years of work happening
or 50 years if you look at it 50 years
if you look at it yeah so that’s the
idea so right but now it’s the J curve
the AI is going to remove so many it’s
going to change the way everything
happens today right 100% is going to
change people have no idea
what to expect when it comes to AI it’s
going to change the world I could fire
half my staff right now I obviously not
done that but I could fire half my stuff
today and replace them with AI people
who know how to use AI are going to be
the Supermen of the future the
Superwoman of the future who can just
use Ai and and make things happen Sam
Alman was just saying there’s going to
be this company soon a billion dollar
company built by one person nii which is
not possible before so I think that’s
that’s that’s the world is definitely
changing there’s a huge culture shift
you know images how we used to watch
look at images in the gallery then you
start a photo now you scroll right
movies you had you had you see proper
you see proper movies then you started
seeing short videos now you just scroll
on Tik Tok you know the whole culture
and everything even like relationships
right there used to be marriage
courtship then came sexual Freedom now
you just swipe on an app right the
culture is changing like we are and it’s
not a gradual change it’s the change
that been happening over the last many
years a couple decades a metaverse is a
big part about crypto I like to talk
about this right I invested in over 200
metaverse companies I own land in over
like two dozen metaverses but a lot of
it’s still early lot of it’s not
developed so it’s still early in that
opportunity we thought the metaverse
would come around in the last bull run
Facebook changed its name to Meta Meta
what companies blew up and Facebook
arguably the top five largest company in
the world you know controls and minds
and Nares a lot of people knows what
people are thinking where people are
moving there’s a big reason for m z to
change his name to meta because he can
predict the future better than most
people can I like to say the best way to
predict the future is to go build it who
the guy’s building it so you want to
know you want to listen to them right
and so I think with what the metaverse
most people think of this virtual place
where you know like movie where you go
and like live but I I like to think of
metav warus moment in time like in in AI
you have this idea of Singularity where
Aral intelligence is better than human
intelligence that’s when you’re living
in the singularity I think in the
metaverse is this moment in time when
our Digital Life matters more to us than
our physical life and what you see
that’s been happening over the last few
decades is that 100% of our attention
used to be in the physical world that’s
where all of our attention used to be
then came TVs they sucked our attention
into the digital world 15 20% of time
people would spend watching TV all day
so that’s like 80% of physical 20%
digital then came computers massive
change you know another 30 40% went to
the digital now people are spending half
their time on the digital world and the
other half on the physical world and now
with iPhones you go to a restaurant you
go to a cinema people AR like always on
their phone like you’re spending 80% of
your time in the digital world even if
you’re talking to somebody you’re still
on the phone you’re always aler with
Apple watch seeing what’s happening you
know you’re spending so much of your
time into the digital world and what’s
going to happen eventually is with the
Apple Vision Pro which just came out
you’re basically in the digital world at
all times yes you have augmented reality
you have the screen I can see you but
I’m also seeing the screen yeah but my
attention is always in the digital in
the digital way this is not a new thing
so I was actually building apps for
Google Glass back in 2013 I was one of
the first 10 people in the world to make
apps for that they used to call me a
glass hole because nobody liked having a
guy with a camera here walking in front
of them it was too early for its time
but it’s happened now now because Apple
launched everybody welcomes it everybody
wants to buy the Apple version Pro it’s
a little bit expensive probably give it
a couple years before it becomes
accessible to everybody right but it’s
happening and wherever your energy goes
that wherever your attention goes that’s
where your energy goes wherever your
attention go that’s where your energy
flows and wherever your energy flows
that’s what you’re living in the
metaverse so I think it’s going to
become much more important for people to
live in the metaverse and people are
going to start spending a lot more time
and it’s a gradual change that’s been
happening and technology is making this
change possible so how we live how we
play how we connect is all going to be
disrupted by technology and it’s already
being disrupted by technology in a very
big way and repb 3 is one of those uh
techn technology innovations that has
happened that’s going to distribute
governance I like to say and distribute
power back but I said of web three all
of technology is changing how you do
everything 100% and we’re already in a
metaverse sometimes people think oh I
have to be an avatar in a room hanging
out in some land no you’re in a
metaverse if you’re on a zoom call
you’re in a metaverse you’re already in
a metaverse if you’re interacting
digitally with another human that is
that’s the IDE that’s what I that’s
that’s what it is if you’re spending if
you care like how do people used to play
people used to play basketball and
football now they play fortnite more
people play fortnite than basketball and
football combined right that just tells
you more kids play fortnite so that’s
living in the metaverse how do people
work you used to go to a boardroom you
now you do everything on Zoom that’s
living in the metaverse how do people uh
play work you know enjoy like identity
what matters more to you your life on
Instagram how you look on Instagram how
you look into your life you could be
your pajamas on your bed yeah we much
care much more L my photo that I’m
posting and that depends on your age to
a certain extent so my dad who’s 81 he
doesn’t have a digital identity my sons
are six and seven years old their
digital identity is everything and a
teenage girl in high school like you
know her digital identity could be the
most important thing it’s it’s more
important to them than their real life
yeah they don’t care if they have
pimples in real life and it affects
their health they care they’re I have
pimples in the photo so that’s much more
important right and that tells you at
that point
you are already living in the metaverse
you can say whatever you want but when
your Digital Life matters more to you
you are already living in the metaverse
it’s only a question matter of time when
the Avatar is going to be there that’s
going to represent you that’s probably
the future and I like I like you know
it’s it’s it’s I’m I’m very grateful and
I’m very blessed and I always I’m always
grateful for the life I have had today
because of the opportunities and places
I’ve had I can live my real life you
know I can go out every night to the bar
I can buy drinks I can enjoy I can fly
where I want to go I can try
I come from a place like India where 600
million people that’s as as many people
in the U in Europe double people in us
uh they don’t have the same
opportunities they make $500 a month and
then you look at Africa it’s a similar
situation right for these people when
they’re making only that few hundred a
month you know they don’t have the same
opportunities that I do or that we do
for them the metor is a blessing a great
example is for example Romero burito is
the most licensed artist in the history
of of the world you know he’s got the
most licenses with most most brands he
has he has the largest Art Gallery in
the world the physical Art Gallery in
Miami if you want to go to his physical
Art Gallery you got to be his private
art collector his artist starting
cheapest one is like tens of thousands
of dollars so you can’t really go to his
Gallery unless you are already very
influential very wealthy so like how can
the rest of the world the 9 person will
enjoy that Gallery experience and see
that Romero who’s the most licensed
artist history in the history of the
world has created all this amazing art
all this time that’s why I’m working
with him to create his metaverse Gallery
so now for like a dollar or just some
doing some Quest you know some airdrop
and running after maybe sharing his
photos or art you can join his metav
Gallery see all the people and amazing
people that he’s worked with amazing
Creations he has made amazing Brands and
you can see that guy’s history and enjoy
you’re not going to be the same
experience as in the real Gallery but as
close as you can get to it without
spending the tens of thousands of
dollars that you would need to go to the
real Gallery right so I think that’s
very exciting so I think metaverse is
going to and and and it’s going to
change the way for the big a huge part
of the world more than half three
billion people which is a big part of
the world is going to change the world
and how they live and how they play and
I think it’s going to be why do you
think Tik Tok grew the fastest in India
it grew the fastest in India because 600
million people in India got access to
Internet for the first time when the
India’s billionaire mes Amani gave
internet to free to all these people
with Geo these people had no internet
before and now what did they have they
had internet so all their time Tik Tok
watching entertaining themselves they
can’t go to the bar they can’t go to the
restaurant they can’t go every night to
spend money afford it they can’t afford
it they got to feed their family in that
500 or so dollars maybe it’s 300 maybe
it’s 800 you know that number is
irrelevant the point is you to support a
family and that’s all you have you can’t
really go out and enjoy your real life
like you see on Instagram other people
doing so for them but you could do that
in the metaverse you know you could
spend that time online and that’s what
is really happening and that’s that’s
changing the way of the world in a very
very big way and soon they could now
work in the metaverse they could get
those same air drops that’s what is
happening so we saw the last bull market
the big adoption I wrote about this on
articles on coin Telegraph and fobes
where I said the last bull market will
come because of gamei there was going to
be a big adoption of people going to
play games and earn tokens and that’s
exactly what happened in Philippines and
Vietnam where 5-year-old children and
50-year-old grandmas started playing
these games not because they enjoyed it
but because they were able to earn this
money cuz somebody in y Europe or in the
US you know their their mother’s credit
card is already attached to the iPad
they’re going to spend $10 to just
upgrade the level quickly but in
Philippines if you can make $10 a day
you’re doing great if you can do that
while playing a game sitting on your
couch not having to do labor or hard
intensive work which you’re not
passionate about you’re going to do that
you’re not going to go do that labor job
and if you can do a little bit better
it’s because there’s some s of skill
involved if you can make $ 20 $30 a day
Hallelujah you’re doing a lot better
than you were doing your normal labor
job you’re driving a taxi or being a
waiter so at that point uh web 3 is
bought that adoption in right and I
think that’s what is really that’s again
when you bring tokenization into these
things is really it becomes really
really exciting that’s what so we
already live in the metaverse now with
web3 being attached to it people are
trying to make a economy out of it if
because what’s going to happen
eventually is like what’s happening in
the real world also right wherever
attention goes and that asset becomes
more valuable wise property in London or
in New York or in Paris worth way more
than in in some part of Africa or some
part of Vietnam or some part of India
because this where people want to be
this where more people want to come and
this is the prices go up this is demand
and Supply I think the metor will become
like they’re going to have a lot of
different metaverses but the ones that
people actually want to spend time in
where people actually want to give their
attention the asset prices of those
metaverses will go up but in this time
it’s open you can still have the chance
to invest in London and madhattan 200
years ago because we are we are part of
the change this current generation that
we have we are literally seeing this
change take place from going to a world
where 100% attention was in the physical
world and now 100% attention the digital
world is happening in our generation
this was not happening before us so you
have this chance now to really maybe buy
property in London and New York 200
years ago you know and that’s the that’s
the kind of opportunity that a lot of
people have today and cuz we are still
building this this next gen generation
you know we had this I don’t know I
don’t not know the what the homo sapiens
and this all this evolution of mankind
of human now with neur Lanes there’s
chips planted into people they
successfully had that already done uh
where they already had a chip and the
person is happy to have that chip like I
said technology grows exponentially not
linearly so it’s not going to be 100
years before everybody will chip
probably a few years where everybody
will have chips that will make them
smarter and people are going to enjoy
doing this instead of having a phone
this will be your phone or this the
phone is in your eye like so that that
progress is coming and when that
progress happens you spend start
spending more and more time in the
metaverse the metaverses that actually
contain the attention are going to be
worth a lot more than the the land in
that metor is going to be worth a lot
more than the land in New York or Paris
that’s fascinating man talk to me about
art because you are a huge art collector
you also bought a ton of nfts in the
past and I’d love to hear a list of your
con of your collections obviously the
nft market was super bullish and it was
a kind of bubble it crashed but then
last year we saw the ordinals market
explode in a crazy way which is
basically kind of an nft on the Bitcoin
chain um what do you see is the future
of nfts of Art and just tell me like in
your opinion like what is art and what
is digital art because at the end of the
day we are humans we want to connect
somehow and art is a way for us to
connect and digital art is is also maybe
the next evolution of that so there’s a
there’s a there’s a couple questions in
there that I can answer in different way
ways like what is nfts and then what is
art and what is digital art so nfts
right now most people think of nfts as
digital art that’s not true nft is a
technology nft is a nonf fungible token
when you have one Bitcoin I have one
Bitcoin we put in a in a bowl and then
we take it out together it’s still the
same Bitcoin right it doesn’t make a
difference your Bitcoin is not better
than my Bitcoin and nft is basically a
non-fungible token where I have
something different attached to my token
you have something different attached
it’s nonf fungible and so that’s why
they have different values
maybe I have a photo of a pig with a
green hat you have a photo of a pig with
a yellow cap and that’s why they have
different values because that speaks to
different people so that’s the nft but
nfts is basically uh it can also be used
as a technology I think in the very
close future our driving license our
passport our identity documents land
records car records everything will
become an nft and instead of storing I
don’t like to store any of my like like
my watch paper documents is sitting in
my house in Tulum my ownership property
for property I own in zanar is sitting
in my house in India like it’s all a
mess right I have all these assets that
are around the world and ownership of
those assets are basically pieces of
paper that are sitting in different
parts of the world and like to compile
them is also a problem let’s say I’m
sitting in India talking to deal I’m
like all right this watch is yours oh
but I have to go to Tulum to pick up
that paper and send it to you so that’s
the problem right so nfts are basically
that ownership on chain so it becomes a
digital asset so it is in your wallet
and you can always prove ownership
because it’s h you can’t lie the
blockchain never lies right that’s the
best part so that’s what nfts I think is
going to be the real
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