People, Policy, Finance: Realizing an Equitable Energy Transition

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    see this your Royal Highness excellences
    uh great to see you all here sorry for
    running uh a little bit um late but uh
    this is um I see people are very patient
    because it’s a very consequential uh
    panel uh you also all know that on our
    special meeting here uh in Saudi Arabia
    it’s about global
    collaboration it’s about Reviving growth
    but it’s also about energy for
    development
    and um there’s no development without
    energy and um this uh is at the core of
    this panel uh it’s a great uh panel I’ll
    come back uh to that but we are faced in
    many ways with the triangle and um one
    is energy access There is close to 800
    million people on our planet that don’t
    have access to basic
    electricity let’s not forget that and
    then uh in Europe uh we have learned a
    lot about energy security also uh the
    last year so you will have to have
    predictability when it comes to energy
    and the third part of the triangle is um
    decoupling how can we reach all this and
    continue development but also reaching
    the international agreements that we
    have made uh in Paris and and lately now
    at cop 28 um in Dubai
    uh how to uh square a circle or or or or
    maybe square triangle I don’t know uh at
    least I I’ll leave this uh to the panel
    that is is great his Royal Highness
    Prince Abdul AIS has been such a great
    uh supporter uh of our Summit thank you
    uh your highness he’s also asked as the
    host to speak last so just so you know
    I’m not bypassing his His Highness but
    is on his uh request but we will come
    back to you um your your highness and um
    we have uh from the Le uh uh here for
    for you we have Darren Woods chairman
    and CEO of exen mobile welcome we have
    then Wiki holl president and CEO of
    idential and then we have uh his
    Excellency sbin sharida alabi minister
    of State for energy Affairs of Qatar and
    then we have Kadri Simpson commissioner
    for energy European commission so this
    will be uh a very interesting and uh
    important discussion let me start uh
    with you uh Darren Woods um how is it
    possible to uh make sure that we are
    able to secure security for energy that
    we are able to reach those that don’t
    have energy making sure that energy is
    also underpinning the necessary economic
    growth that we need but also then
    meeting the international obligations
    and decouple this uh from grow in
    Greenhouse emissions is there a path for
    this and uh is Aon on that path yeah
    thanks for the question I would I would
    say I think the good news is this is not
    the first time the world has faced
    challenges or issues that are
    multi-dimensional that you have to to
    take into account and address a number
    of competing interests I think it is
    unique in that we are attempting to do
    it at a scale that in the past has never
    been attempted and we’re attempting to
    do it in an area that is so critically
    important to people’s uh Lifestyles uh
    their prosperity and and the um
    importance of it to economic growth so
    that makes it particularly challenging
    but I would say you know we have
    approached this in the past Society has
    different countries have approached this
    as a one-dimensional problem that has
    frankly been translated from reducing
    emissions to uh reducing oil and gas and
    I think we’ve gotten very fixated on a
    very narrow uh solution set and put in
    policies around the world to try to
    address that very n narrow solution set
    and we’re beginning to see the
    consequences of that and so my view uh
    is we need to step back and focus one on
    a problem statement which is emissions
    and then start thinking at a very Global
    level how do you address uh reductions
    in emissions and the good news is we
    have done things like this in the past
    across the globe and the first thing we
    need to address is a mechanism and
    method for accounting for
    emissions uh we today the world no
    country has a mechanism place to
    actually account for carbon emissions so
    if you can’t measure it you sure can’t
    can’t manage it so start with
    understanding and uh have a globally
    accepted carbon accounting system in
    place and once you have a carbon
    accounting system in place you can begin
    to um put policy in place to address the
    carbon emissions associated with any
    product that society makes uh through
    carbon intensity specifications the
    beauty of that is you don’t have to have
    the answer you’re not focusing on a way
    of getting to an answer but instead
    you’re focused on the outcome that
    you’re after and you let the market
    markets Academia technology businesses
    governments focus on how best to achieve
    the outcome that unleashes the power of
    capital markets and focuses on an
    objective and doesn’t require policy
    makers to try to come up with an answer
    on their own but instead focus on
    delivering a solution and this uh
    fortunately is how we’ve managed many
    other
    um uh parameters that we’ve tried to
    control with different products so think
    of lead and gasoline think of sulfur
    emissions and Diesel there’s a number of
    examples around the world and around a
    lot of different products that we’ve
    already managed to re make improvements
    through a more rational objective
    process thank you uh thank you very much
    uh I want to move to kri Simpson uh
    commissioner for energy of the EU EU has
    been uh through um quite a uh
    transformation uh 40% % of the natural
    gas that was consumed uh came from
    Russia uh from one uh day to another
    most of that gas was gone you pivoted uh
    into LNG both from Qatar uh the us but
    you also started a process of rolling
    out uh then uh Renewables uh listening
    then to uh Mr woods but also your
    experience now where do you see the
    energy future um of the European union
    and still staying
    competitive thank you for your question
    and good afternoon everybody and thank
    you for your kind invitation um it’s
    pleasure to attend today’s special
    meeting and indeed it was just a couple
    of months ago when European Union was
    able to announce that we are exiting
    from the crisis mode so um for a couple
    of years uh
    our citizens and our industry they had
    to face uh very high energy prices and
    on top of that there was um especially
    during the winter season a concern do we
    have enough natural gas at our disposal
    to heat our homes and now um two years
    since uh Russia started to manipulate
    our gas market we can say that our
    underground gas storages are
    sufficiently full and prices are down to
    pre-war level so I do remember that in
    2021 when we saw first signs that Russia
    was manipulating our markets I was
    visiting in Qatar and um we did very
    intensive Outreach to find alternative
    suppliers um it was a challenging task
    but luckily we had already um a um
    impressive network of lery terminals
    built out across Europe so indeed we
    managed to um diversify our supplies and
    saying that it was um a surprise for
    many uh member states that one and
    supplier can cut you out like this
    because pipeline gas um interconnections
    they were built um during sovet area
    they connected um more than dozen member
    states in Europe This Russian gas fields
    and this uh situation that we were left
    without Russian natural gas was not the
    result of our um sanctions on the
    contrary it was their unilateral
    decision to um to create difficulties
    political difficulties for our
    government
    but then of course like we already found
    out in
    2021 um it was impossible to replace 155
    billion cubic meters overnight with LNG
    um no LNG producer was able um to
    increase their um production in such a
    short notice so we had also to implement
    emergency measures and we requested our
    governments to cut gas consumption they
    did so they cut their gas consumption
    across the board
    uh by
    18% how was it possible so onethird of
    our um gas consumption is due to the
    fact that we heat our homes so that we
    had to continue we we were not uh uh
    able to announce that uh that people
    will freeze another uh 30% goes to power
    generation and there we made a
    difference we brought online very fast
    Renewables past two years have been
    record years for Renewables only last
    year we brought online 73 GS of new wind
    and solar installations that helped us
    to cut gas significantly and that
    brought prices down and this is a a a
    clear signal that our investors when
    they had the opportunity to um to make
    investment decisions prioritize
    Renewables of course we have to invest
    also um our taxpayers money to build up
    the Creed infrastructure we plan to do
    so just last year we presented our
    Creeds action plan and this covers not
    only our Mainland infrastructure but we
    will also connect um offshore uh wind
    farms we plan to bring online 111 GW of
    new offshore wind uh Power Generation
    and as you know the biggest um offshore
    windmills are as tall as Eiffel Tower
    280 M if you also uh take into account
    the sapi foundations they produce uh
    well they are 15 megawatt so they
    produce as much as 20,000 households
    need so we call our um sea Basin North
    Sea and Baltic Sea our future green uh
    power plants and uh and this is a
    promising development this is something
    that we can also
    um um advise other governments to follow
    and uh and um clearly um I trust
    private investors I do see that this is
    a money this is the sector where they
    direct their Investments what what do
    you say to uh those in the Europeans
    saying that uh LG and natural gas uh is
    not environmentally uh friendly do you
    say that this is a necessary uh Bridge
    or how do you address that indeed for us
    uh natural gas right now plays a very
    important role well for many member
    states natural gas power plants are the
    ones who help us to uh to cover Peak
    demand when there is not sufficient wind
    or or uh solar of course we are also
    privileged we have a a vast potential of
    hydro reservoirs at our disposal but the
    most difficult year summer 2022 we saw
    that there was a tro in Iberian
    Peninsula and this created on top of
    Russian manipulation a very difficult
    situation now on gas we just presented
    our 2040 uh targets European Union will
    cut CO2 emissions by 90% and that means
    that uh only Renewables uh well this
    clearly will not be sufficient so we
    also brought online carbon capture and
    storage strategy and also new uh
    innovative solutions like smrs uh some
    of our member states are very excited to
    bring online new nuclear and this is um
    totally accepted member states can
    choose other Energy Mix and as you know
    um the commitment of ours is to become
    climate neutral so all the low carbon
    technologies that help us to do so um
    are welcomed what do you say to the
    European countries that have said that
    they’re not continuing with nuclear uh
    in this situation on top of the
    situation with the Russian
    gas well this is mainly triggered by the
    public acceptance issue and you will
    remember that U globally there was lots
    of discussion um after Fukushima
    accident so my biggest concern is that
    right now Russian troops are occupying
    the biggest European nuclear power plant
    this is saparia power plant in Ukraine
    and if they will recklessly create some
    kind of disaster then public opinion
    changes for
    sure thank you uh very much let me then
    uh move to you um Minister uh of energy
    of kachar his Excellency Al kabi um two
    two questions one is the global energy
    demand if we know see global growth back
    at
    3.2% there will also be an increased
    demand for energy where do you see that
    energy coming from and where do you see
    the role of lmg uh in this and and the
    long-term uh prospects for Qatar I think
    you’re considering even increasing the
    production of the northern um field with
    like 80% or something it’s on the table
    so maybe you can and Enlighten us about
    those uh uh plans thank you uh first I’d
    like to uh thank uh his Royal Highness
    Prince Abdul aiz for inviting me to
    attend here and thank you and the Forum
    and thank everybody that’s attending for
    attending this distinguished Gathering
    really here um regarding the outlook for
    uh the demand uh in gas I think is is
    was your question in general but I think
    energy in total uh of course this green
    push that we’re talking about we’re all
    for having a good environment for us and
    for our kids and Next Generation so
    we’re all responsible citizens living in
    this world if you will small world and
    we all want to do what’s right the the
    importance is to do it in a way that’s
    responsible for this generation and next
    generation and make sure that people
    that want to grow and countries that
    want to grow their economy have this the
    same rights that the Richer countries
    have all along and and we take everybody
    along for the right you’ve mentioned 800
    million people not having uh basic
    electricity I think the number is more
    like a billion or whatever and if we
    think about another billion and a half
    to two billion uh being joining us uh in
    in in the next you know 30 years or so
    uh you need power for additional two
    billion people coming on on Earth uh so
    I think if we shouldn’t be selfish in
    just talking about what we want in our
    house and forget the neighborhood if you
    will the way it has been pushed that you
    know demonizing oil and gas all along
    for the past almost decade now and and
    really
    um putting the oil and gas sector as if
    we are not doing good for the for
    Humanity and everybody that’s green is
    trying to push that narrative and so on
    I think now everybody is turning to
    understand that there is a need for oil
    and gas for the long term and the the
    people that were saying we need green
    hydrogen blue ammonia green ammonia
    whatever nobody’s is is coming up and
    saying we can pay the price for that a
    lot of governments are talking about
    Green initiatives but they actually are
    not paying for it and at the ultimately
    you have consumers that will be paying
    for um you know this green all these
    green initiatives and they will not be
    able to afford it even in richer
    countries the demand I think for oil is
    going to be there for a very long time
    you need petrochemicals that wind farms
    and and solar energy cannot uh produce
    so you need petrochemical plants you
    need all the refined chemicals and so on
    that you you will need for a very long
    time uh gas is going to be uh needed to
    power uh really uh all the the
    electricity that’s needed for the
    expansions Ura that’s that’s an ammonia
    that’s that’s used for fertilizers and
    uh as mentioned uh by my colleague here
    for the intermittency of of solar and uh
    wind uh so so oil and gas are going to
    be needed for a very long time you can
    debate you know when is speak oil when
    it speak gas but that’s irrelevant in my
    view the important thing is we all do it
    in a responsible way and if you look at
    everybody uh that’s that’s uh here in
    the panel whether it’s you know my
    colleagues from the American companies
    uh you know his Royal Highness around
    Koh here in in in Saudi Arabia whether
    it’s in qar and around the world
    everybody is is doing their best in
    emissions in methane abatement in
    spending billions in in carbon capture
    and sequestration so everybody’s doing
    it in a very responsible way to make
    sure sure that we can develop and and
    have growth for Humanity uh in a way
    that is very responsible and I think
    we’re not being given enough credit for
    for doing all that and as mentioned by
    Darren there isn’t a real mechanism to
    have a proper accounting that we all
    have a benchmark and everybody is really
    judged on the same basis if you will uh
    you have different institutions eia and
    you know whoever just puts out numbers
    and most of it is politic Al driven is
    the elephant in this room the
    coal no coal Coal coal I think you see
    replacing uh coal with gas and power uh
    Cuts your CO2 into half but also I think
    I think we should be reducing coal in a
    big way but also as we are defending the
    gas and the oil that’s needed for a very
    long time you also need to do it in a
    responsible way for the countries that
    cannot afford to do it that quickly so
    countries need time also to wean off
    coal and I think if they do it in a
    responsible way and then slowly you know
    get off coal I think that’s also very
    important because that’s an immedient
    solution where you you cut off Co you
    know you reduce your CO2 emissions but I
    think the demand is going to be there
    for a very very long time and Way Way
    Beyond a lot of the projections that
    people are talking about most of the pro
    the discussion is d driven by political
    uh drives for elections but that’s the
    bottom line in my view if the demand for
    coal continues how will we then be able
    to meet the commitments from uh cup uh
    28 in Dubai sorry again who can we meet
    the commitments uh from cop uh 28 in
    Dubai if coal continues to grow I think
    you have seen that Cole has been on
    record uh a record pce
    uh so I I think you can’t meet it if if
    Co continues in the same pattern so uh
    Darren has asked for uh short uh just a
    clarification
    yeah the Dubai cop 28 talk about
    unated call the phasing out of unated
    call so a call is
    virtuous thank you for that very
    important clarification uh your highness
    I’ll go then a short um response from
    Daren and I’ll go to uh Vicky Hollow so
    Darren well I just wanted to comment on
    the elephant in the room which I think
    is it’s not coal per se it’s cost and I
    think one of the challenges uh
    associated with again how society’s been
    advancing this is we’ve taken very small
    sample sizes and extra extrapolated to
    very large problem sets and the reason
    why coal continues to be a dominant
    energy energy source today around the
    world is because of the cost advantages
    associated with that and the fact that
    developing nations and people who are
    trying to raise themselves in their
    prosperity levels require cheap energy
    and coal is a source of that so the the
    elephant in the room is how do we
    address the cost and we’re not going to
    do it by focusing on an isolation of one
    or two solutions instead it’s trying to
    engage uh the broader Capital markets uh
    broader technology set to find ways to
    start reducing cost so that you can
    reduce emissions as his Excellency said
    responsibly and part of responsible
    emission reduction is doing it
    affordably so that Nations can do that I
    would just make one point uh with
    respect to Europe and the response to
    the high prices um there was luck
    involved in this that there were very
    two very warm Winters which allowed the
    demand for gas to be low and that
    allowed inventories to build which was
    fortunate for the people of Europe a
    price that’s been paid but hasn’t been
    fully recognized yet is
    de-industrialization of Europe and the
    fact that many companies are going out
    of business and is very difficult to
    compete on the world markets with a lot
    of the policies are being prescriptive
    policies are being put in place in
    Europe and the cost of that will begin
    to manifest itself over time and so huge
    implications to to addressing this huge
    challenge but we’ve got to start doing
    some real math looking at the cost
    extrapolating and understanding the the
    total problem set rather than very micro
    and I think to his excellency’s point we
    got to stop the propaganda and the
    politics and get down rolling our
    sleeves up and the world needs to
    develop a realistic plan for for making
    progress in this space if it’s okay wi
    can the commissioner just comment
    shortly on that she’s ask for for the
    floor before but you will have ample
    time to get with his Asus uh
    commissioner just a short response to
    that if you want thank you Boran and be
    aware that each time when you mention
    Europe I I have to reply uh but but
    first I wanted to mention that uh on
    coal this night I will take overnight
    flight back to Italy because we will
    have G7 energy ministers meeting and one
    issue that we will discuss there again
    is how to avoid new investments into Cal
    production because we are very much
    aware that in Europe the coal fire power
    plants are already nearing their end of
    life cycle so we ask um some power
    plants that are as old as 40 50 60 years
    old to retire this is normal thing to do
    but in Asia the average age of coold
    power plant is 13 so you ask teenager to
    retire and this is different uh
    challenge of course we have
    to help these nations to replace um um
    most polluting Alternatives with cleaner
    ones and this is the reason why European
    Union championed a global pledge to
    Triple Renewables by 2030 because um
    according to our understanding
    Renewables are already the most cost
    efficient way to produce electricity uh
    what is happening in in Europe since we
    announced our green deal we do see that
    uh our green deal is also our growth
    strategy so uh indeed uh first mover
    Advantage is something that our
    businesses are crossing and uh this is
    also covered with our net indust act so
    we do have 12 promising new clean tech
    Solutions where we will um um invest
    some of our research and Innovation
    funds but also we will support European
    producers so the very moment when when
    there is a concern that we cannot
    compete with American companies due to
    the fact that we don’t produce gas
    natural gas ourselves but Americans to
    cover their domestic demand we have to
    be Innovative and opt for homegrown
    Alternatives this is what we are doing
    thank you and before coming to you uh
    Wiki I tried with one theory on
    elephants in the room Cole Darren said
    cost could I also launch a third
    candidate and that is subsidies what we
    do know that coal is heavily subsidized
    in many uh countries more taxpayers
    going money going to subsidizing Coal
    then it’s uh for energy uh transition
    but well let’s keep those elephants
    there and you feel free to comment uh on
    them or even launch new elephants uh
    Vick over to you okay so I’m not going
    to launch any elephants I hope but uhu
    but I’ll address the ones that are
    already in the room and uh that is I
    agree with Darren that there has to be a
    mechanism in place that drives the
    incentive for the whole world to respond
    to the situation that we’re in and uh
    we’re certainly in a dire situation
    because of the fact that um some are
    distracting uh the the world from the
    real problem and the real problem is
    that um we have to decarbonize oil
    because it doesn’t really matter how you
    look at it wind and solar are fine for
    generating electricity but wind and
    solar are not going to be the answer for
    Aviation and Maritime and Trucking and
    and people uh especially those people in
    Texas who want to drive their trucks
    everywhere uh every family has multiple
    vehicles and EVS are not the first two
    uh EVS are usually usually a third
    choice uh and they’re the fun Choice
    they’re not the choice that that really
    provides the means to get around um that
    may change over time but that’s not
    changing very quickly in the US so the
    situation we’re in to me is while we’re
    working policy and while we’re working
    the incentives we have to work the
    technology we can’t push that out and so
    I think that uh our industry has faced
    big challenges before we’ve always been
    able to step up and address those
    challenges um we’ve done it with the
    development of Si 3D seismic with
    enhanced oil recovery we’ve done it with
    um within the United States when our
    production dropped down to less than six
    million barrels a day the shell
    Revolution took over it took 10 years to
    to make that work and so um now it’s
    going to take us some time to make
    direct air capture work and to make some
    of the carbon capture on point sources
    work but the way we view it at oxy is
    that even if you put stopped all the
    emissions from every industrial site
    around the world you still need to
    reduce CO2 out of the atmosphere and the
    strategy that we’re pushing and hoping
    the energy will the industry will adopt
    and I know some are are um doing
    adopting it now and starting to execute
    a plan to do it and that is to take CO2
    out of the atmosphere use it in enhanced
    or recovery in the reservoirs that we
    have today it’s a way to generate Net
    Zero oil which then
    generates Net Zero fuels for maritime
    and Aviation and gasoline um also that
    would um in be a lower emission source
    of oil too because the infrastructure
    would already be installed so there are
    multiple ways that generating that zero
    oil could be a solution for our industry
    and could be adopted um as we advance
    the
    technology and uh just as wind and solar
    took about a decade to drop their cost
    dramatically I think um the challenge
    for us is dropping the cost of uh
    director capture I believe with the with
    the aid of digital Twins and computing
    power that we have today when uh wind
    and solar did not have that same uh tool
    available to them I think that we can
    drop the cost uh we’re we’re building a
    facility that will extract 500,000 tons
    of CO2 out of the atmosphere in the
    peran um in the United States and we’re
    already before we even start the third
    and fourth train we’re already seeing
    um a uh Improvement in technology uh
    we’re seeing that um AI is also a help
    to to make that happen so I believe uh
    director capture has to work there’s
    also a revolutionary uh technology to
    generate electrical power and it’s
    called in the United States net power
    it’s something that combusts hydrocarbon
    gases with oxygen instead of air so
    there are no volatile organic um
    emissions and it captures the CO2 and
    fresh water as a part of the the
    chemical reaction uh so instead of use a
    user of water it’s a provider of water
    and the CO2 drives the turbine to create
    electricity and then captures uh off the
    side a um a stream of CO2 that can then
    be used in enhanced or recovery so
    looking at a circular system here where
    you could actually have uh the ability
    to continue to produce oil and gas um
    the the lowest cost highest intensity
    fuel in the world and do it in a way
    that help helps you to get more oil out
    of the reservoirs we’re producing today
    uh that in the end creates the economics
    that will work to make that a viable
    solution so that we don’t have to
    discontinue oil it becomes an emission
    free part of of of the energy
    mix thank you uh do you want to come in
    now your highness no no you I thought
    you were G to ask me yeah I will’ll ask
    you a question so uh I like this uh yeah
    yeah me me too I I thought it was very
    interesting I was tempted to ask uh
    Darren and the minister if they share
    this vision of the no no decarbonized
    oil and CO2 out of the
    atmosphere um and dropping cost like we
    seen on solar uh in these areas is is
    this the this decarbonized oil uh
    youranus is that a wish you share with
    Vicki you can move the questions to to
    Darren and sad and then I will okay so
    um I’m enjoying the somebody’s doing the
    homework for my behalf so so Darren you
    heard uh you heard Wicky decarbonizing
    oil she’s putting a lot of money uh into
    carbon capture and storage to try to see
    if we could see the same uh development
    there as we saw for solar fell with to
    one tenth of the price uh and also
    capturing CO2 uh from uh the atmosphere
    are are you sharing this wish and and
    you are you optimistic that we can see
    this kind of breakthroughs and I’ll have
    that question uh to uh Darren and then
    uh to his Excellency and then we’ll
    we’ll we’ll see what uh his Royal
    Highness uh thinks so I think technology
    is needed advancements in technology and
    breakthroughs in technology are going to
    play a very important role here I would
    say that to date um there hasn’t been
    enough work done in that space or enough
    incentives for uh people to make the
    kind of advances that the world needs
    but it is starting and I know Vicki is
    working on that space Exxon Mobile has a
    a brand new technology that we’re
    working on trying to drive the cost of
    direct air capture down there are many
    other companies doing that and so I
    think the good news is there is work
    going on in this space uh in the
    technology space the bad news is the
    costs remain today I think prohibitively
    high you can apply it in very um small
    applications often times at high prices
    and and the challenges how do you
    develop a technology that you can
    broadly distribute to uh deal with the
    issue across the world and I so I do
    think it’s going to be important comes
    back to the point I was making before we
    shouldn’t be focused on the molecules of
    hydrogen and carbon and that go into
    crude oil we should instead be focused
    on the emissions oil is going to be
    around for a long time people have to
    remember that the issue that we’re
    trying to deal with is the combustion of
    oil products so combustion and the
    emissions of associated with it deal
    with the emissions you can still combust
    even without combustion of oil products
    today oil goes into and if you look at
    the demand for growth for oil going
    forward it goes into chemical products
    that are absolutely essential to Modern
    Life That’s not going to go away and so
    that the idea that you’re going to
    eliminate uh oil and gas I think from
    the equation in total I just think is
    isn’t based on the reality of the
    molecules of those uh those feed stocks
    and what they go into to support the
    standards of living that everyone around
    the world is either enjoying or aspiring
    to and so you got to find a technology
    to address the missions so I’m very
    aligned with Vicki on in terms of that
    opportunity set I think the challenge is
    at what stage does society make the
    breakthroughs and how far can we get the
    cost down but you don’t you won’t make
    progress if you don’t get started and I
    think that’s the message that Vicki has
    that’s the message that I
    have someon sir yeah I’ll I’ll maybe
    tackle the second part of the co two
    which is the capturing from actual
    production uh I think the direct capture
    was one I think Darren uh covered it
    very well on the direct on the capture
    of of CO2 from our production if you
    look at we what we’ve done in Qatar
    we’ve been injecting 2 and a half
    million tons of CO2 that we’re capturing
    from our facilities in LG since
    2015 uh 2 and half million tons perom so
    before anybody was talking about CO2
    sequestration or capture we were already
    doing it in our uh production increase
    that we are going to have uh we’re we’re
    actually in construction today to go
    from 77 million tons to
    126 million tons we’ve announced also
    going on another phase to 142 but just
    in the first phase of development to 126
    we’re going to capture another 11
    million tons per anom of CO2 and and
    sequester that all our LNG Fleet we’ve
    already ordered one are construction of
    104 LG ships all of them are going to be
    powered by LG without any heavy fuel
    oils to uh Power them uh the the whole
    CO2 sorry the whole um LNG scheme that
    we have is the lowest uh LG uh scheme
    from from basically production to ship
    in the world uh even with the
    enhancement that we have we’re going to
    add another 3 to four million tons of
    CO2 sequestration we’re building uh the
    largest uh blue ammonia plant in the
    world that has uh solar and CO2
    sequestration uh attached to it in the
    south of the country uh the other third
    part which I think also Vicki talked
    about is enhanced oil recovery we’re
    capturing CO2 from our industrial sites
    in the north uh of Qatar which is the LG
    plus the chemicals and we’re uh piping
    them the pipe pipeline uh construction
    has already been completed to take it
    across country to our Duhan oil field
    for enhanced oil recovery so that’s all
    being done and I’m sure if you have am
    nasar is here if you he sits here and
    tells you about the stories they’re
    doing in in aramco they’re doing we’re
    doing an even more at a larger scale so
    everybody is doing their their part of
    of being responsible producers I I think
    also people don’t look at that much no
    so so I I I think that um I I I think
    that uh the
    decarbonization uh of course probably is
    most cost effective with coal then with
    oil and and then uh natural gas but the
    whole um uh Revolution that we could
    foresee here youran is uh related then
    to uh decarbonized oil as one uh track
    uh
    it would be interesting to hear your
    comments there but we we this is a
    broader panel as I said but I thought
    the original question was has to do with
    how can we energize the world economy
    now and in the future this is much
    broader as I started so if I may just be
    not the I have
    no understanding of how elephant culture
    is so I’m going to be the Camelo in the
    room camels I understand and I can coopt
    with that but I’ll be the camel in the
    room
    uh and the camel in the room will tell
    you
    uh you know again we should
    not be in all of these events declaring
    our Puritans uh from being uh the the
    the nasty people that does something
    wrong to the environment and the and and
    and not being monolithic in our
    choices uh we are we stand the risk of
    being accused of being acting
    irresponsibly or in an irresponsible way
    I think the bigger uh question that
    people need to devote a lot of time and
    they would realize that there are so
    many
    elephants uh to attend to uh there you
    mentioned cost you mentioned
    technology uh others will tell you
    a bigger evolving camel now I mean
    elephant is trade
    barriers uh where people are now they’re
    giving it a softer name which is
    fragmentation I call it silos so if you
    have silos if you have again we keep
    people forget that climate change issue
    and sustainability is a global issue it
    cannot be attended to in Regional Scopes
    or ter you know a smaller territorial
    thing it has to be Global to make it
    Global I think we have to uh be
    conscious of the fact that we here in
    this room and many others here in the
    room have choices that at least 60 70%
    of the world population do not have that
    choice those who are suffering from
    energy poverty those who cannot make
    ends meat those who are still burning
    trees converting them to charcoal and
    making ends meat through selling that
    charcoal and buying food for themselves
    we see them ourself in Saudi Arabia
    because we have our sustainability
    program and we work with so many
    countries in Africa and Southeast Asia
    and we have people underground that see
    the the misery that people are going
    through in fact I talked to Darren and
    Vicky in some times on issues of how can
    we help and support so I guess the best
    thing we do is that we should realize
    that and again we go like an eon like
    Economist we go from micro to micro we
    have to assess what would be the world
    energy demand in the future take into
    account trying as much faithfully and
    honestly to bring people up the economic
    leather and there are 6 billion people
    that needs to go higher
    and look at what will happen to the
    world economy as a lollipop and what
    happened to energy consumption will be
    if these 6 billion go up into the
    economic ladder higher let’s not forget
    as s was saying that there is two M two
    billion more people to come to planet
    Earth and they need to be fed and they
    need to have jobs education and civil uh
    ability to to to live and coexist with
    others and again that will add more need
    uh energy needs but also it will peral
    the economy because otherwise we will be
    condescending on the quality of the
    people and and and the humans that exist
    today and will exist in the in the in
    the future more important also we should
    be cognizant of the fact that
    Technologies are evolving and there will
    be lots of
    centers uh that seek you know you know
    we talk about AI we talk about all of
    these uh uh huge requirements for energy
    and I ask you how are we going to
    deliver the hundreds and hundreds
    of gas that would be required for these
    Technologies we also need to be cogn to
    the fact that oil and gas is
    moving uh we move and we will move we
    continue move on oil to chemicals and by
    the way it’s not an arithma because even
    in the process of
    electrification people would need
    Plastics people would need polymers
    people would need things to move the
    cars you know the car is a car be it I
    IC or electrified or by or whatever form
    of engine that operates it 50% of that
    car will come from Plastics and as
    people income
    improves as people in Africa and
    Southeast Asia and all of the other
    parts of the world their wellbeing
    enhanced they will be buying cars be it
    electrical or be it is or whatever it is
    uh where is going to who is going to
    produce the components so it is in
    components it is in the amount of
    electricity and amount of energy that is
    required people tend to avoid looking at
    the bigger picture and focus more on the
    narrow narrative either am I going to
    appear to the public domain as being
    clean or cleansed or cleansing or am I
    going to be accused of being part of the
    problem
    I think a serious more attentative
    approach would be congregating people
    and say we all need every type of energy
    and every type of energy will be used in
    the future our main concern is how to
    make that amount energy going to be
    consistent with mitigating to attend to
    the issue that we should not forfeit and
    uh ignore which is again Faithfully
    attending to the issue of climate change
    if we can all congregate around that and
    fixate ourselves about what to do
    collectively regionally it would not
    work country by country it would not
    work eliminating
    Choice uh While others can you know I
    was happy to see Kadri saying we have
    allowed the members state to have their
    own Energy Mix am I right well yeah so
    let people have their own Energy Mix let
    people make the choice you know this
    morning we had a session Brazil can
    deliver so many things on on uh uh
    methanol uh biomethanol others have
    different choices let people do the
    choices again let make let us make the
    principle is has to do with with
    emission and not to Forfeit the idea of
    reducing emissions if we can congregate
    around that and by the way this is what
    we have agreed in
    Dubai because I believe that what we
    have agreed in Article 28 in Dubai is a
    recipe is a menu as they call it French
    menu which is an card talks about yes
    and that’s the distinction I mentioned
    just as I tried to interfere uh you know
    in that article it talks about unated
    fa unated coal nobody would like to see
    unated coal being utilized but then
    there are other elements there are eight
    other elements including renewable
    including carbon capture and calization
    including uh transitioning away from uh
    hydrocarbon but look at the
    distinction in in that item we use the
    word word phasing out unabated C when it
    comes to uh hydrocarbon we said
    transitioning
    from and there are eight choices so pick
    and choose what is your choice as long
    as you can showcase that you are
    mitigating and you’re reducing your
    emissions I think we’re doing will be
    the whole world will be doing uh a great
    job for not only for for this generation
    but for the generations to come if we
    don’t do that and we don’t act as
    International citizen responsible
    citizens I think we’ll end up with so
    many other we just renumerated four
    elephants there will become six seven
    eight and you know what will
    happen all of the whole thing will not
    be attended to so even if Europe succeed
    wholeheartedly to achieve all of its
    goals emissions will come to Europe from
    different directions and nothing will
    will will survive the day if we don’t
    again work holistically I’m sorry for
    taking much of the time thank you thank
    you re highness um I I wish we could
    have continued uh with this panel for
    another uh 15 20 minutes but there is a
    new panel on the geopolitics uh coming
    up with his H uh Prince Fel I think what
    we uh learned from this panel that um
    there are there are elephants in the
    room but is also that we will need to be
    able to do several things at the same
    time we will need to address the
    increased energy Demand with two billion
    more people we will uh need uh to also
    address um the situation for those that
    are living in energy poverty to today
    close to 800 million I I think there’s
    different numbers out there uh my team
    wrote
    772 here I don’t know where that number
    comes from but there is is a big chunk
    of people that don’t even have uh
    electricity then we need to also be
    inspired uh from what we have seen um
    from uh the Renewables who would have
    thought 10 years ago that the price of
    Solar would fa fall to 110 and and win
    from 17 and that is the new technology
    olog is that also Wiki uh alluded to
    decarbonization of oil also carbon
    capture and storage uh CO2 capture uh in
    general and then uh of course it is the
    security piece you know if you don’t
    have diversification of your energy and
    rely on one partner that’s not what
    we’re doing on other areas um of our
    economy and then it’s Reviving economic
    growth that we also will need to meet
    the sustainable development goals um no
    energy no development and then is this
    overall commitment to decouple this uh
    from growth uh in CO2 emissions so it is
    really really I think the most
    challenging puzzle that we are faced
    with globally um for the time uh being
    and um of course there are ways of then
    measuring better there ways of putting a
    price uh on um also what you want more
    of and what you want want less of and
    then uh his uh highness’s point about
    unabated uh coal U that’s critical and
    if you want more unabated unabated coal
    I guess you should not subsidize uh what
    is uh not unabated coal so these are
    some Reflections from myself at the end
    I hope I didn’t then start a new
    discussion by uh this but I’m I feel
    very privileged uh to have uh such a
    great panel uh here uh about and and
    also dealing with one of the most
    complex issues of our time so big thank
    you to the panel thank you very
    much and it’s it’s a good sign you know
    not all panels you want to continue but
    I think for this one we would have liked
    to continue a little bit longer but
    salavi thank thank you shown but you see
    we are very civilized with our friends
    from the EU contrary to the
    media thank you
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    Energy security remains a prominent challenge amid the energy transition, particularly in emerging and development markets.

    In this context, how can an equitable and inclusive energy transition be achieved that decouples growth from emissions while simultaneously securing global energy access?

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