Navigating Geopolitical Dynamics: Implications for the Energy Transition

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    the next 45 minutes will be very
    interesting because we’ve got a very
    relevant and topical subject to discuss
    with a very distinguished panel over
    here so without further Ado I’m going to
    start but just an announcement at the
    start that one of the speakers is going
    to be speaking in Mandarin so if anyone
    wants uh to uh the interpretation here
    the interpretation the headsets are on
    the chairs you can use that during the
    course of this
    discussion now navigating geopolitical
    Dynamics the
    implications of the energy transition
    the United Nations has already set that
    the climate crisis is not a threat
    anymore it’s a ongo disaster we already
    have ample examples around us whether
    it’s unprecedented floodings in
    different parts of the world we saw one
    just in neighboring the United Arab
    Emirates a few weeks ago where there was
    unprecedented rains and floodings there
    have been record-breaking heat waves
    wildfires all pointing towards the
    severe situation as far as the climate
    crisis goes the focus has been on energy
    transition in fact in this region we had
    cop 28 not too long ago where some
    important decisions were made but the
    fact is that in this ever fast evolving
    geopolitical Dynamics how easy is it to
    implement those changes the fact that
    geopolitics plays a very important role
    in influencing energy markets energy
    security the pricing and the pricing
    mechanisms so to understand about all
    that and more I have a very
    distinguished panel as I was saying
    earlier let me quickly introduce
    uh the panel Mr Ahmed Minister Ahmed Al
    who’s the Minister of Foreign Affairs
    from Algeria we have Minister Henkin Lo
    Puri who’s the minister of state and
    petroleum resources of Nigeria Rafael
    giddis who’s a senior fellow for Brazil
    Center for international relations last
    but not the least Mr heang who’s the
    wise administrator for National energy
    Administration from peoples’s Republic
    of China so gentlemen ladies and
    gentlemen just get started I’ll start
    with you Minister Ahmed
    at in this kind of a scenario where
    there is a a severe crisis on your hands
    as far as clim climate the climate
    situation goes the climate crisis and
    then you have this ever evolving
    geopolitical scenario whether it’s the
    conflicts which we saw with Ukraine and
    Russia last year which had an immediate
    impact on oil prices which shot up
    breaching the $100 Mark or even the re
    the ongoing conflict in the region in
    Gaza with with we have
    seen oil prices fluctuating how do
    countries navigate these
    geopolitical problems at the same time
    ensuring that there is energy security
    and the prices are
    accessible I believe that uh we should
    first identify
    the geopolitical new geopolitical
    Dynamics we are talking about if we go
    back to the last three
    decades we have been focusing on four or
    five
    main Concepts globalization in
    interdependence regulation of the use of
    force peace
    dividends and this has completely
    changed during the last two years two
    years and and the
    and we have moved from this Concepts to
    embrace new
    ones
    confrontation deregulation of the use of
    force paralysis of the
    International
    System paralysis of the United Nations
    and its central body the uh sec Security
    Council so we are dealing with with a
    completely new
    environment and we when you talk
    about my country I think that
    we are located in the region that is
    concentrating all these new phenomenons
    that have I have referred to we have of
    course the
    conflict in Ukraine that is impacting
    our region we have
    the Palestinian Israeli conflict that is
    also impacting our region and we have
    the sahal
    region and we are also feeling the
    impact of the deteriorating situation in
    this region on the Euro Mediterranean
    area and the president of n neria this
    morning referred specifically to this
    issue so as far as Algeria is concerned
    we have when we talk about energy we
    have tried to be a
    reliable
    trustworthy partner in our region and we
    have established very complex network of
    Co
    cooperation uh with our partners in in
    the in the region and
    this the buildup of this new complex
    network of cooperation in our area has
    gone very
    sophisticated and I believe that this
    was not done at the cost of our
    commitments
    to the uh Al
    alleviating the uh of the effects on uh
    our environment and I believe that we
    will be going in more depth on this
    issue to talk about the Strategic
    relationship that we have built in our
    region minister L bgri to get you in on
    and drawing in what what uh Mr ATA was
    saying that it is the geopolitical
    situation has completely changed in the
    last two years there are new challenges
    that have been thrown up and this comes
    at a time when the world is grappling
    with a climate crisis and there is this
    pressure on the global community and
    Nations for this energy transition to
    speed that up how difficult is it for
    you as someone who’s a oil producing
    Nation as well also in a continent where
    there are conflicts and issues how do
    you balance that at the same time ensure
    that the energy transition pathway you
    do not deviate from that well thank you
    very much for the opportunity you know
    to be part of this panel but let me you
    know start by saying that um when talk
    about energy you know um security to
    those from the
    north it means you know comfort for them
    but for those of us in Africa it’s an
    existential problem
    and it
    is something that the world actually
    hasn’t looked at these emissions you
    know that of course the climate problem
    we have today didn’t happen overnight at
    the African level we have been talking
    among ourselves and you know saying that
    look for the past 100 150 years those
    from the north have used you know fossil
    foil to industrialize and today they’re
    talking about sustaining the comfort
    that they have been able to achieve
    using fil fil over you know this long
    period of time but for us in Africa we
    are still at a stage where we have even
    started we have like for for instance in
    Nigeria we have um 37 billion barrel of
    you know proven crude oil we have 207
    trillion cubic feet of gas are you going
    to say that we should abandon those
    resources it will be very difficult to
    do so and let me also you know say that
    the world should also be thinking about
    solutions to the you know to the
    emissions already in the planet we’re
    talking about preventing future emission
    what about the ones are already in the
    planet records are showing that you know
    over the past uh 100 100 years plus you
    know those from the north
    substantially has caused em mission of
    about 20 you know
    2500
    gatons into the
    planet and if we focus our energy on
    technology that will capture this
    emission even if we take 20% of it the
    world will have some peace instead of
    you know campaigning for you know uh uh
    energy transition at a pace that would
    not be acceptable to Africans and so
    from the African perspective we believe
    that we have to use our resources first
    of all you know to ensure that we have
    substantial energy security before we
    talk about transition we cannot also
    Transit at the same
    point we can’t Transit at the same Pace
    you can recall that if you look at the
    global emissions Africa contri only
    about 3% the rest came from the West
    instead of campaigning you know for p
    to be given the
    countries if they want to stop forif
    production why do they use a substantial
    part of that money on you know doing
    research to involve Technologies on
    carbon capture if they’re able to do so
    I believe that you’ll be able to get a
    technology that capture even a small
    percentage of it and the world will be
    safer for it but for Africa I believe
    that energy security is an existential
    problem we cannot Transit at the same
    point we are victims and I think that
    the world should look at it from that
    perspect perspective Rafael if I can get
    you in over there and you know you you
    you look at the big picture across
    across different continents and we just
    saw what the minister said about the
    situation in Africa but the factors
    bringing back the focus on specifically
    the geopolitics Dynamics we have seen
    massive events that have taken place
    geopolitically and they’ve had a direct
    impact on energy security energy pricing
    and also throwing questions about
    whether which the minister is also
    referring to the energy transition
    plan the speed at which it it has been
    set at is it realistic or achievable in
    that sense has this added a new
    dimension to this whole energy
    transition and leads to questions about
    whether the initial targets that have
    been set out could be complicated
    because of what we are seeing globally
    right
    now well I’ll start with the thank you
    for the questions thank you for being
    here with I think a diverse panel in
    terms of different regions which makes
    it really
    in terms of discussing and understanding
    that differently from other other times
    and where we were all focusing in One
    Direction the energy
    transition um makes us have to
    understand that we are speaking of
    something that isn’t uh one silver
    bullet and it’s going to be different
    realities have to be tackled with a
    different set of of tools so um and and
    it’s important we in Brazil we have been
    speaking a lot about a Just Energy
    transition that yes brings this
    different Dynamics um brings the dynamic
    that we have to that we have to really
    try to bond together clean energy but it
    has to be affordable and it has to be
    cost affordable and accessible to all so
    in countries like in Africa we will have
    several people that have still problem
    with um with cooking uh with clean
    energy um in Brazil we have the Amazon
    region where we don’t have people that’s
    that’s still isolated and do not have
    access to electricity so um China has
    been done an excellent job and and
    although their their carbon neutrality
    is for 20160 they have been really doing
    amazing things in terms of solar panels
    and Technologies and and and this has to
    everything has to to really be
    acknowledged so from this point of view
    I think that we we must understand that
    we still need security
    and it we need still need
    affordability and for each country we’ll
    have to understand what is the perfect
    mix to make this feasible so from a
    Brazilian perspective Latin American
    perspective we we we understand that we
    still have we still produce fossil
    however we have a very clean Matrix um
    and we and we are able at the same time
    to start to understand um what are theic
    diversification of energies that we can
    bring along what are the investments in
    energy storage and energy C in in carbon
    capture um what what could we be doing
    in terms of grid modernization this is a
    reality that will be tackled and must be
    tackled for everybody all over the the
    world then the Regulatory and the policy
    supports that each country will need and
    this is different region to region but
    most importantly before ending here um I
    think that although we are in a
    polarized moment it’s very important for
    us to even more bond together understand
    um each one’s perspectives and how can
    we cooperate how can one come together
    with the other and Brazil’s reality may
    may be something that can Inspire Africa
    in some places in some discussions um
    bonding together with China in other
    discussions and with Nigeria and and
    different parts of the world so this
    could really um accelerate the
    discussion and and less polarization you
    Mr Yang bringing you in here China is of
    course when it comes to the energy
    markets is the largest consumer of oil
    in the world and you have to constantly
    do this Balancing Act for example a few
    years ago you had sanctions against Iran
    where the United States was asking
    countries not to buy oil from Iran you
    were customers for them India was two of
    the biggest markets I’m giving you just
    one example how do you balance these GE
    geopolitical d dynamics that keep
    evolving now those restrictions are not
    there anymore Iran is supplying oil to
    the markets uh however a lot of it is is
    still in unofficial capacity but
    nevertheless it’s reaching the markets
    so how is China balancing that while
    it’s also trying to do this massive
    energy
    transition thank you very much uh for
    your question which is a very good
    question uh but before answering the
    question I would like to
    congratulate Saudi Arabia for organizing
    this special meeting of world economic
    Forum which shows the original
    leadership of Saudi
    Arabia as the
    geopolitical issues I’m not an expert
    like Mr Minister of Foreign Affairs but
    I would uh like to share that from the
    perspective of energy uh the
    impacts uh that the energy industry has
    faced one of the first impacts is that
    the energy Supply security H is facing
    quite many
    uncertainties energy price is
    high based on our Brenton pricing in
    April uh the price is almost 90 us which
    is quite relatively High uh according to
    the historical
    record and
    the other price
    for uh critical mineral is also
    increasing so we are facing this
    increase in Energy prices which brings a
    negative impact to our economic recovery
    worldwide it also curbs the
    investment in energy
    transition the second impact we have
    noticed is the polarization and the
    trade
    protectionism some
    countries are using governmental
    subsidy or the reason of over
    productivity over capacity to limit the
    international trade by using uh tariff
    barriers as you have mentioned China is
    the largest new energy consuming Market
    China has quite many new energy
    production companies in solar
    panel energy and uh uh wind
    energy so these fast development in
    technology uh continues to bring down
    the production cost it is not a result
    of governmental
    subsidy I would like to share one number
    with you in China we have thousands of
    battery
    producers fully com fully free com
    competition on the market which brings
    down
    the price for
    battery if we take the fact as a result
    of trade protectional ISM or
    polarization and that will then hinder
    the uh World Trans Energy transition by
    limiting its development the third
    impact is the
    enlarging
    Gap in terms of energy China is a big
    country uh the guests here with me today
    are all coming from the developing
    countries we all need technology and
    financing
    support however in the past years or
    decades we have noticed that our
    investment to the developing countries
    is not enough in terms of financing and
    technology so the answer to this
    problem lies exactly in the main theme
    of this special meeting
    first we need to strengthen the
    international trading in order to
    guarantee the Equitable and Prejudice
    free free trade across borders and
    secondly we must continue to increase
    our International cooperation for
    energy we are advocating to set up a
    highlevel platform around the globe in
    order to
    to uh coordinate for Global policy and
    to encourage global
    technology uh
    Innovation last but not least uh we need
    the developed countries to deliver their
    commitments from the Paris agreement to
    support to the developing countries
    thank
    you Yang about uh a couple of
    interesting points especially about the
    Gap in terms of Vel oping countries and
    developed countries and of course you
    touched upon trade and protectionism
    which may not be uh you know something
    equal to a conflict but again it’s part
    of the geopolitical Dynamics as as it
    plays out globally between the United
    States and China I want to bring in
    Minister uh arur again into this what we
    are seeing globally now is this call
    that fossil fuels need to be phased out
    and according to the International
    Energy a agcy they want a quarter of
    fossil fuel that has been consumed now
    to drop by a quarter per by 25% in order
    to make a meaningful impact now this is
    going to have implications on oil
    producing states whether it’s Nigeria
    Gulf countries uh North Africa how do
    you see this impacting the geopolitical
    Dynamics because eventually this will
    lead to the Dynamics within OPEC and
    other oil producing groups changing
    where some countries might end up having
    a larger market share is that a concern
    for oil producing countries and that how
    it could play out
    geopolitically let me uh first of all
    follow up on what the minister of state
    of Nigeria has said yeah and I will
    start with some examples from my own
    region
    recently as you know in
    Niger important
    oil discoveries have been
    made in morania and
    Sagal the third
    largest oil gas has been discovered and
    these three
    countries have gone from the era of
    using
    wood destroying
    their
    Forest using biomass and and for the
    first time in their National histories
    they have they are going through an era
    of availability of gas and oil that they
    use to to pay or not pay because they
    did not have the
    resources what shall we tell them they
    are asking my country in Niger and in
    morania for help because we have an
    experience in the area of oil and gas
    they are asking for cooperation in this
    area what what shall we tell them that
    look there are the
    international commitments agreements
    that
    sorry you have come too late we cannot
    help you and you should and you must
    abide by the new
    rules so
    we are balancing all that and we are
    trying to
    reconcile our
    duties and international
    responsibilities with the need for
    fairness foreign
    inclusiveness towards these countries
    that have emerged in the area of oil and
    gas and we should
    not just tell
    we are
    sorry so Minister I if I may add on that
    followup you think by denying them that
    opportunity that creates an a potential
    conflict or a fault line in the region
    absolutely I mean I I believe sincerely
    but with this new
    tools and I’m talking about important
    oil discoveries in Nan and important gas
    discoveries in morania and Sagal this
    will help give a new impetus to the to
    their National development and when you
    talk about new possibilities for a new
    momentum to National
    development you will be fighting
    directly or indirectly in this area of
    the Sahel the president of Nigeria was
    talking about uh so wisely this morning
    you will be you will be contributing to
    fighting terrorism in the
    Area International crime in the area
    illegal immigration in the area those
    are tools that can be so you you have
    and you must include all these
    parameters in the definition of your
    Global position on oil and
    gas and on the global transition to a
    new
    system of energy so this is what I
    wanted to say and second on the
    completely on the other side let me say
    we are a Mediterranean
    country we are G producing
    country we are asked by our partners in
    Europe more and more to deliver
    additional quantities of
    gas all over
    Europe from many many countries how are
    we supposed to do that increasing our
    exports the field of gas and I’m telling
    you about not one or two or three
    countries that are many European
    countries asking for additional uh
    supplies so we have also to reconcile
    this requirement with our Global
    position on environment
    I’m sorry I’ve I’ve been very no that’s
    a valid point you raised and I want to
    get in Minister uh pogri on this do you
    agree with what the minister just said
    about if the whole process of this
    transition is not done in a just way
    like for example the the example he gave
    about some countries discovering now a
    potential but denying that opportunity
    is that a concern for Nigeria as well
    because for you oil production is of
    course a key contributed to your economy
    and if that is taken away it could
    create other problems within the region
    and
    internally yes I I agree with him
    completely you
    know for Nigeria you know it’s projected
    that Nigeria will be perhaps the third
    largest country in the world you know
    after China and India you know by the
    year
    2050 if you know you
    say you stop Nigeria from um
    using the resources you know that God
    has given to us by of oil and gas which
    accounts for about 90% of a
    Forex then the world
    itself will experience a new you know
    uh I’m sorry the world itself will
    experience a new you know dimension in
    terms of insecurity globally and it is
    important that you know in this you know
    um era of energy transition we must
    transit in a just
    way that every country will be carried
    along there’s no way you will tell me
    that Europe is uh demanding for
    additional gas from
    Algeria Aleria had a duty both
    economically and humanitarian grounds to
    also Supply
    Europe and you know the what is more
    worrisome to us in Africa is that is
    there any any country that is there any
    country that actually slowing
    down in this area of oil oil and gas
    production in this area of transition is
    there any country that is slowing down
    in terms of fil foil production America
    is the highest producer fil foil today
    both gas and oil they are the highest
    producers Britain just gave about 100
    licenses sometime last year for new
    Explorations in the nor Norway is
    ramping up no country is slowing down
    the only countries that are asked to
    stop and perhaps slow down are the
    countries in Africa and why are they
    doing because we have limited access to
    Forex we have limited access to
    capex and so at the African level I
    think that we need to also come together
    so that we can find a common solution
    within African continent to solve our
    problems we need to be looking at some
    homegrown you know solution to our own
    problems because if UK can give new
    licenses for exploration in the North
    Sea or fil they all sincere is this
    issue of energy un know transition but
    as a continent our governments have
    signed up to the Paris agreement but
    what we’re saying is that we should we
    should be allowed to Transit at our own
    base we can’t Transit at the same time
    we are
    victims from records emissions from
    Africa were only about 3% so we’re
    actually victims but those who have
    contributed the other 97% are still
    increasing in production and they have
    access to Capital to expand their
    Investments and because historically
    most of the investments in Africa have
    come from the West if you come to
    Nigeria the big oil companies are all
    from the West the exom mobiles the
    Chevrons the total the shell all are
    from the West these are the companies
    that can actually attract huge capital
    investment you know to the
    continent but the point must be made
    that for the energy transition to be
    successful no country should be left
    behind and if you don’t not allow some
    of these countries to explore these
    resources in a more you know sustainable
    way and then that could give rise to new
    geopolitical you know insecurity
    problems across the globe Mr Yang to
    bring you in and I’m I’m sure you heard
    the points made by both the
    ministers as someone who’s on the who’s
    actually been on the Forefront as far as
    the energy transition goes in terms of
    technology and other Industries how do
    you view this as a consumer some of the
    points raised that if it’s not done in a
    just way this transition it could create
    new problems in different parts of the
    world China is highly invested in Africa
    for example uh how do you view this
    problem of global transition and not
    being done in a just
    way uh thanks uh for the question from
    the moderator for the energy
    transitioning it is uh
    long and a bit painful process
    especially for developing countries R
    because the energy transitioning we need
    to deal with the uh relationship between
    transitioning and development and the
    transitioning and uh um security
    especially so for developing countries
    for China as a developing country we are
    able to do lots of things I’m just
    citing some figures uh to share with you
    what China has done in energy
    transitioning when that uh by
    2023 China’s renewable energy installed
    capacity has amounted
    to
    1,500
    gwatt accounting 40% of the total Global
    installed capacity and 2023 the uh new
    solar and wind installed
    capacity is um 510
    gwatt among which China accounted for
    half of these new installed capacity of
    solar and wind another facts and figure
    EV has been developing at a very rapid
    Pace in China out of every three
    vehicles uh sold in China one of the
    three is electric vehicle and this
    percentage is also picking up as we
    speak so as a developing country how can
    we fasten the pace of the energy
    transitioning I believe that it requires
    us to have a top tier design China has
    made the commitment of these uh 2030
    carbon peing and 2060 carbon neutrality
    goal once China has announced these goal
    Chinese government has also developed
    the overall plan to reach these two
    goals and also for the uh oil and gas
    and the building and transportation of
    the relevant uh
    sectors also have developed their own
    carbon peaking and carbon neutrality
    plans under these top tier design um
    road map oh the corporates and also
    residents they are implementing these uh
    plans to make sure that the carbon
    peaking and the carbon neutrality could
    be reached just now the moderate also
    mentioned the technology the role of
    technology in the um energy
    transitioning I believe technology plays
    a very important role in China we
    encourage the energy
    companies to invest more of their
    profits in the
    R&D continue to develop new
    products because for example in China
    the uh solar power generation in China
    is uh um world ranking and
    recently we also have offshore wind uh
    um Power generating um which is uh the
    16 gwatt single blade is more as long as
    more than 100 m energy
    storage also has been developed in China
    to a very sophisticated level with many
    options uh technology is important which
    calls for international uh collaboration
    and coroporation China has set up more
    than this cooperation with more than 100
    countries uh such as Brazil and Nigeria
    we are also um promoting the uh belt and
    the road initiative uh to um intensify
    this energy cooperation including in
    Brazil we have this uh Mega uh Power
    transmission project in Nigeria we also
    have a clean energy project we also have
    uh energy project in Saudi Arabia I
    believe that uh with these uh
    International projects with these
    International corporations uh we need to
    have uh a open and also just environment
    to carry out these project so that we
    can work together on technological
    development and to promote the progress
    of the renewable energy to fasten our
    Pace together in the energy
    transitioning and also to address issues
    we have countered in the energy
    transitioning to avoid the mistakes
    others have made so I think that uh
    developed uh countries and the
    developing countries we have to do it
    together quickly on this uh we don’t
    have much time left but one other aspect
    which I want to touch quickly upon is
    that as this energy transition happens
    there will be demand for critical
    minerals now the concern on that front
    is that with demand for these minerals
    going up in the years to come the
    concentration of these minerals is in a
    very few countries which could again
    lead to an imbalance which in turn could
    read uh lead to more conflict tension uh
    and you know the Dynamics geopolitically
    changing how big a concern is that
    that’s a huge concern this is something
    that um leading um uh energetic pro
    project in in Brazil I I’ve been
    studying this and and we we should be
    concerned because at the same time that
    we say that we should diminish oil
    production or should it be tackling uh
    increase in in in in solar and wind um
    and all of this we will need for all of
    these like batteries turbines solar
    panels we will need these critical
    minerals so for instance from a
    Brazilian perspective but I’m sure this
    is a reality for for Africa and other
    places but we do have a diverse mineral
    Reserve portfolio this can be done in a
    sustainable way so this while we are
    advancing in the transition and as I
    think that this is a a message that has
    been um leverag throughout this panel is
    that it’s a transition so while we we
    continue to um produce this oil at the
    same time we should be looking at what’s
    coming next and what is the what is all
    the the supply chain that we will need
    so critical minerals are important for
    and and we should be looking so from a
    Brazilian perspective Latin America in
    in general broad um we have this diverse
    mineral reserves um we can expand mining
    capacity sustainable mining practices
    should be we are starting to tackle that
    more and more this discussion um the
    regulatory framework to to to be able to
    to produce this in a sustainable way and
    therefore not only delivering our
    capability but being also a place that
    can deliver uh minerals um for other
    places but not just the minerals another
    important thing and I think this for the
    developing countries is how about we
    talk about French Shoring um um um Power
    Shoring so in places where we have cheap
    energy for instance China produces the
    solar panel um countries like Brazil has
    a great amount of of solar areas and in
    areas that are Aid so we can’t do so
    much Plantation for instance in part of
    this so why not have like the data
    centers installed and and then you have
    new labor forces being trained and new
    capacity being built and things that
    will be important and productive for
    Brazil and will be for other parts of
    the world so coming bonding together
    with the the critical minerals comes
    along all the discussion of new forms of
    energy new forms of Labor Force new
    forms that we could be transforming and
    accelerating the path while doing
    something that is very complicated which
    is bonding together growth um economic
    growth and um and sustainability and
    clean energy because in sometimes it it
    can seem to be like contrasting or
    polarizing in terms of the reality
    bringing together these two so this will
    open up new complexities on the ground
    exactly which need to be tackled we’ve
    got five minutes left and uh before I
    give the final word to all the panelists
    I just want to quickly check if someone
    had a question to ask any of these
    panelists we have Mike
    uh someone can hand over the mic so if
    anyone has is interested to ask a
    question to any of these panelists
    please feel free this is your chance to
    ask
    it okay we don’t have any questions now
    uh last five minutes so I want to give
    uh ask all of you to give your final
    thoughts uh and I’ll I’ll I’ll start
    with uh Mr Yang here uh going ahead what
    do you see as the biggest challenge as
    this energy transition moves ahead
    because what is clear in this discussion
    is that there’s a huge divide it’s not
    been done in an in Equitable Equitable
    Manner and that could create more
    problems uh as the world progresses on
    this path so very short answer from your
    point of view from China’s point of view
    what do you see is critical uh as an
    issue to be addressed while this energy
    transition happens so that it doesn’t
    create more problems
    it is a question that is very hard to uh
    answer in one or two sentences when we
    talk about the energy
    transition we have to rely on the
    international cooporation in order to
    learn the lessons and avoid avoid uh the
    uh risks and secondly we need to design
    our own transition paths
    based on our own country’s
    situation that every country has to
    design its own part but then doesn’t
    that take away from the bigger picture
    no because then you can find the win-win
    situations where the where can Africa
    help Brazil where can Brazil help China
    aeria Europe where are the win-win
    situations so I I know there are many to
    speak so I think that Global cooperation
    and places where you understanding what
    is your Matrix what are your strengths
    how can you partnering where the country
    wins and the other country wins as well
    so this is a new form of seeing it so
    that’s a suggestion coming from two
    panelists here uh Minister ly what do
    you think from your point of view as a
    stakeholder as one of the largest oil
    producers in a continent which has been
    left behind when it comes to a lot of
    indicators how crucial is this to avoid
    any further conflict or tension yeah you
    know I I I concore you know I completely
    agree with two of them you know um to
    the extent that that all countries
    should be allowed to design their own
    transition pathway in my
    opinion we must you know Embrace
    transition but we must be allowed to
    Transit at our own base we first of all
    ensure that we have en security for
    Africa before we talk about
    transition already in Africa we are
    putting different legal Frameworks to
    see how we can Transit at our own pace
    but I completely agree with them that we
    can’t Transit at the same this every
    country should be allowed to design its
    own transition plan but that transition
    plan could be you know tied to the
    global transition plan completely agree
    with
    them Minister AR the final word to you
    absolutely we are in the same I think we
    have an absolute consensus here on this
    issue AB absolutely you have it yeah I
    believe that we uh we share the the same
    concerns we have recently uh hosted
    Algeria has recently hosted the uh gas
    exporting countries
    forum and it is precisely in the name of
    these uh values and principles that have
    been put forward that we have advocated
    that speci special consideration should
    be given to
    gas in the context of the global
    transition in the name of fairness and
    in
    inclusiveness because the gas this gas
    Summit has come to the
    conclusion that
    through
    gas
    as a component of the
    transition this inclusiveness and this
    fairness could be and should be assured
    to all of us so fairness and just these
    are the two major takeaways from this
    discussion that it’s important that this
    transition uh is done keeping in mind
    the global goals but it’s very important
    that it’s it doesn’t create of a
    polarization or a further divide between
    those who have and those who don’t and
    that’s very clear from this panel I want
    I want to thank all of you for sharing
    your suggestions your views and being
    candid about the issues that you all are
    facing in your respective regions thanks
    a lot a big hand for this panel for
    sharing the thoughts and thank you so
    much for joining us this evening
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