TKR018 | The Golden Touch with Florian Grummes on the Kinvestor Report

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    welcome to the conest report where we
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    today I’m joined by Florian gromis an
    independent analyst investor Trader and
    consultant who’s been active in the
    financial Market since 1995 he started
    publishing his famous and outstanding
    Midas Touch gold model and has helped
    lots of followers to protect their
    Capital today is well known for
    combining technical fundamental and
    sentimental analysis into one accurate
    conclusion about the gold market through
    my touch Consulting and uh this guy is
    bullish right now Florian thank you so
    much for joining us today how are you
    I’m good thanks for having me alen
    pleasure yeah awesome uh well it’s no
    secret that um a lot of these
    Commodities are making fresh highs so
    there’s a lots to cover and uh I
    understand that you much of your
    investing thesis is covered by the
    charts and technicals and uh so let’s
    start with the you know gold and silver
    where do you think we are right now in
    in this bull market cycle sure uh well
    well let me let me maybe first make one
    important point the the main thesis of
    course it’s it’s all about sound money
    and so that’s why my focus is on the
    precious metals since uh now not more
    than 23 years already um so that’s where
    I’m coming from but of course over the
    over the time I figured that it’s it’s
    good to understand timing and Market
    movements and Trends and I believe that
    technical analysis is very helpful
    because it really breaks down what’s
    actually going on in terms of price and
    timing and volume yeah and and money
    flow right that’s that’s certainly what
    we need to come in our in our favor for
    these charts to go higher um do you ever
    use just this is a maybe a silly
    question but do you ever use charts to
    predict where these Commodities can how
    high they can go because once you get
    into Uncharted Territory like all bets
    are off but do you use some of your
    technical analysis to kind of figure out
    hey gold can go to $3,300 or $5,000 in
    else oh yeah yeah of course I do I mean
    of course it’s kind of like a
    forecasting in in as you said Uncharted
    Territory but but still um like let’s
    talk about gold I mean look we had this
    um three and a half year consolidation
    correction since gold hit a new all-time
    high back in the summer of
    2020 uh the alltime high back then was
    2075 and over the following three and a
    half years gold went back and forth
    between that number and on the on the
    Lower Side the 1615 level level and um
    it’s an inverse Head and Shoulders
    pattern a very basic uh technical
    analysis kind of stuff if you use that
    uh that pattern um and and you you
    basically take the depth of that pattern
    and put it on the breakout which is the
    2075 kind of level yeah you end up with
    $2,535 and that has been my target since
    uh I think last October when it was
    clear that we are on the way to break
    out and here we are just missing another
    100 and something dollars to that Target
    and I’m very sure we’re going to see it
    over the next few weeks actually and um
    in the much bigger picture we also know
    that gold has been consolidating
    basically since 2011 already right so
    back then we made the alltime high at
    $1,920 and then it took uh quite a long
    time until gold took out that alltime
    high and red as I just said before in
    the summer of 2020 to 20 75 but in the
    very big picture this is a cup and
    handle pattern also I’ve shown it many
    many times over the years many other
    people have written about it and that uh
    has a much uh higher price Target
    actually this huge formation this huge
    cup and handle pattern and again you
    take the depth of that cup and you put
    it on the breakout level and you end up
    around
    $3,000 so um that’s the longer term
    price Target that I have for gold um for
    the shortterm it’s the 2,500
    $35 music to my ears and probably a lot
    of other gold investors here right and
    so like we we’ve seen a tear here in the
    last kind of couple months what do you
    think some of these major catalysts have
    been that has really started to drive it
    on on a macro
    picture right look I mean we’ve been
    running gold has been running against
    this
    $275 resistance level for many times
    over the last years so first of all
    technically speaking a Breakout this is
    a clear Trend confirmation new money is
    coming into the sector suddenly the
    sector gets more attention people see
    the performance now they want to be part
    of it and that’s basically the trend
    feeding the trend um so that’s one of
    the main drivers first of all but of
    course from a fundamental side you had
    first of all I think the the Ukraine war
    and the Caesar of Russian assets when
    especially the Chinese I think really
    became aware that they need to move more
    and more of their dollar nomin assets
    into physical gold um they also
    motivated their own people basically to
    buy physical gold and in the background
    it’s the Shanghai gold exchange for many
    many years already trading only physical
    gold and now that has been a big
    Catalyst I think since yeah think since
    last Autumn I think in in late August I
    I published a few charts uh showing the
    the the premiums in the Shanghai Gold
    Exchange already in the physical market
    and um the the West on paper uh
    Speculator managed to to take down the
    gold price during the the gold week in
    sh in in in China late September early
    October you remember a gold dropped to
    make a final low at 1810 then you had
    the remember
    clearly it was a very clear dump during
    that week when the Chinese were not
    trading uh physically so on Monday you
    on the over the weekend you had the the
    Hamas Invasion and then on Monday gold
    took off you still have that Gap at 1835
    but uh yeah gold never looked back it
    quickly red towards a new alltime high
    actually in early December then by
    2,150 and since then the breakout is is
    happening and and here the r is is
    gaining more steam um it’s been a
    fantastic ride over the last few weeks
    and I I still think we’re not at the top
    but main driver has been the physical
    demand from China uh the premiums have
    been between two and a half and 4% at
    some point oh wow um and um I think
    there is a lot of Arbitrage going on and
    it’s simply not possible anymore to
    suppress the gold price via paper
    dumping uh positions like they they used
    to do very successfully few decades very
    so that’s a big driver then of course
    you have the physical demand also in
    India which is a Big Driver generally
    the whole geopolitical situation is very
    instable at the same time all the other
    markets have been doing really well
    stock markets went much higher over the
    last few months Bitcoin has done really
    well so there’s more and more money in
    the system looking for opportunities and
    um so at some point I think this money
    also figured like hey what’s been
    lagging it’s the gold price um so so
    that and then of course I mean we still
    have a very high uh inflationary
    environment and that’s also always been
    a good way to protect yourself against
    this by buying physical gold so I think
    a lot of factors coming together here um
    personally the main thing is you get a
    breakout and and basically that attracts
    new the money the money flow starts
    coming in yeah and the generalist
    Capital starts coming in and that’s a
    lot of a lot of capital entering a
    pretty small market right so uh and so
    how has the price of gold been
    correlating with the equity market and
    the gold Equity stocks like the the
    majors and the mid- tiers and and how
    does that money flow enter the market
    like is there do you think they buy the
    the majors first and once those have a
    big run then they start entering the mid
    tiers and then once those have a big it
    starts flowing into the Junior market is
    that what you typically see that’s what
    you typically see and that’s mainly or
    let’s say basically still one of the
    kavats the mining stocks are still
    massively lagging right and and you’ve
    been seeing gold running ahead now
    silver is starting to catch up U many of
    the mining stocks have not done much or
    just very little or are way below their
    2011 highs for example while gold is up
    a few hundred dollars in comparison to
    that oldtime high from
    2011 and I think this will take more
    time I think generally speaking the
    market is still not really trusting the
    breakout in Gold so that’s what I’ve
    seen personally over the last few months
    and weeks like many times people
    questioning like why suddenly is gold
    breaking out for me it was clear because
    the charts were showing it very clearly
    uh but I think uh the the mining stocks
    still lagging that kind of money flow
    it’s slowly coming in and I think once
    you’ve going to see the numbers coming
    out uh for the for the first quarter
    probably you you many more people will
    realize like wow I mean at
    $2,300 gold these big mining companies
    making actually really big money so that
    uh probably still takes a little bit um
    I assume that uh there’s lack in the in
    in in in the mining stocks
    they they will catch up at some point
    but probably not not immediately and
    massively over the next few days and
    weeks because I think as I said 25535
    that’s my target for gold and after that
    I believe we’re going to get a pullback
    uh and and um that will again hurt also
    the mining stocks but once gold tested
    that breakout around $2,100 maybe later
    in the summer or later this year and
    then really starts the r TOS 3,000
    I think at that point the mining stocks
    will really catch up and actually be on
    fire yeah my experience suggests that um
    the equities don’t often run on a gold
    price breakout they they wait for that
    pullback that test and once it holds and
    test that then they start believing that
    those levels are going to be good and
    then they start gobbling these stocks up
    so that yeah that make that makes sense
    to me
    um so silver always seems to be a little
    bit of a lagger with gold too right
    right um it’s certainly the case this
    time um do you ever see that decoupling
    where maybe you know industrial demand
    or solar demand or clean energy demand
    for silver really starts creating a like
    a a much truer Supply demand fundamental
    for silver and it decouples from that
    that you know just following being
    Gold’s ugly sister or I think it’s
    prettier but you know what I
    mean yeah I I mean silver usually always
    follows gold and and only in the last
    inning of of a of a rally and also in in
    if you zoom out in the bigger picture in
    in in the last inning of a bull market
    it really shows up to the party and is
    doing its own thing and and that’s
    exactly what I actually expect over the
    next few weeks so we’ve seen already the
    last one two weeks more and more that
    silver showed up with strengths while
    gold was going sideways or having a
    little bit of a
    pullback and that actually is already a
    warning signal because usually at the
    end of a move in the sector silver shows
    up to the party and um so that is
    somehow also not immediately a sell
    signal but it’s a warning signal that
    this move is is actually coming to its
    end in the next few weeks probably and
    that would fit uh well together with the
    the seasonal pattern in Gold where you
    usually have a top somewhere between
    late February and and early May so this
    year it looks like it could be the first
    two weeks of May
    probably um so if we would get to that
    20 535 in early May and at the same time
    silver going above $30 maybe even
    rallying hard until let’s say
    $35 uh that would be a warning signal
    that in the short term this rally is
    coming to an end and that we’re going to
    get that pullback back to the $2100
    level in gold and um if you remember the
    last bull market between 2001 and
    2011 most of the time silver has been
    following only in the last inning on of
    all these Ries it it it it did its own
    thing and then in
    2010 for the last let’s say one year of
    that 10year bull market silver really
    went nuts and it went from $17 to $50 on
    its own it didn’t really care anymore
    about what gold was doing and something
    similar like this will probably
    happening over the coming years at some
    point but I don’t think that we’re there
    yet at the moment yeah I I I I totally
    agree with you on that um so you you
    talked about like a 10-year bull market
    in in gold from like 2001 to
    2011 where do you think we are at now in
    our bull market for gold are we in
    inning one are we in you know inning
    four um do you think this is just the be
    the true beginning of a bull market like
    a multi-year bull market what stage do
    you think or should we start thinking
    about pairing back positions in these
    runs um right just to to protect our
    wealth well I I I I would not sell any
    physical uh uh position even though gold
    might have a pullback of $3 $400
    somewhere between May and let’s say
    September but of course your mining
    stocks will get hurt and any leveraged
    long position is in in severe danger
    during such yeah yeah so um that means
    uh for me it’s I’ve been only Trading
    long the last few uh months uh but once
    we get to those numbers and I have more
    signals on the table confirming that we
    probably see a short-term top I will
    only do short trading in in in the gold
    market and um I will definitely also
    scale back on my mining stocks because
    uh generally speaking also during the
    summer you don’t really need to be fully
    invested uh whatever Market you are in
    so typically the stocks are you you know
    the old saying sell in May and go away
    but don’t forget to come back in
    September so I think very generally
    speaking that’s still a good rule um so
    you don’t need to be fully invested over
    the summer and espe especially also in
    the mining stocks usually you don’t need
    to so um I would definitely scale back
    on the more speculative positions yes
    yeah okay so speaking of uh owning
    physical like when you what’s your
    portfolio breakdown mix uh like what
    percentage physical what percentage ETFs
    what percentage
    producers if you can share that with
    with us so so the main position of
    course is physically gold and silver and
    it’s roughly speaking 25% okay I don’t
    any ETFs I don’t believe in
    ETFs I want to have direct ownership uh
    of the stocks yeah so um I have a Mining
    stock portfolio of course and um I have
    been more focusing on the on the let’s
    say the mid to larger producers because
    my thinking was that they would do well
    in in an uptrend in Gold um while the
    more smaller Juniors explorers the more
    speculative ones of course they can r a
    few hundred% within a few weeks but then
    again it’s it’s hard to find the right
    ones because there’s so many out there
    and um usually they come a bit later so
    at some point the big mining companies
    will go on a buying spree they’re making
    good money now and I think that will
    then really kick off the rally in those
    smaller mining stocks and I don’t think
    that we are there yet and um so far it’s
    actually challenging to find uh a lot of
    stocks that have gone up more than 100
    150% over the last few months there are
    a few but most of the stocks have done
    something between 20 20 and 60% I think
    um so so you didn’t miss out a lot uh so
    far but I said initially once we have
    this test of the breakout and then the
    big move towards $3,000 starts I think
    that’s will be the time when when you
    want to be fully invested in mining
    stocks yeah and then the money flow will
    start coming a little lower down the
    food chain to to as well and they’ll
    probably start seeing some m&a activity
    which will create some juice in the
    market and and liquidity for the
    investors out there
    um out out of all the Commodities like
    we we talked earlier that you know a lot
    of them are making fresh eyes copper you
    know uranium just had a huge run you
    know Etc is there is there one that
    stands out to you right now is like this
    is this thing has got some serious
    torque the Market’s there the money
    flows there the technicals are there
    what would be your number one pick for
    Commodities right now right now it would
    be silver for the next four weeks it
    would be silver yeah and if you ask me
    for a longer term time frame then uh it
    would be something completely contrarian
    at the moment which is natural gas which
    is completely beaten down and nobody’s
    talking about it it’s
    nobody completely out of fashion at the
    moment so that’s the kind of stuff where
    I’m interested to build a position
    slowly longer term with like a time
    frame let’s say three to three months to
    maybe a year um I think that would be
    the one but it still seems that there is
    a bottoming process going on and you
    still might have a little bit more pain
    to come but that’s a market that I I I
    get more and more interested in um
    because it’s just completely out of fish
    yeah yeah 100% it is um and so can you
    rattle off or can you name some of the
    the gold and silver equities that like
    or that you prefer to participate in a
    bull market with yeah I mean if it comes
    to the big producers I’m a big fan of
    ago Eagle of course I think they have an
    excellent management excellent mins uh
    really really great company so that that
    would be probably one of the the the big
    top mining stocks in in in in the gold
    sector um of course um Newman and
    baric are bigger and would
    probably be immediately on on on on top
    of the list for the big money managers
    but they have problems
    uh just uh the other day we heard that
    that Mali um is is maybe trying to
    nationalize a mind that that belongs to
    Barrack so so they have problems in in
    many areas of the world um so I would be
    a little bit cautious then when it comes
    to like the the the the mid midsize
    producers um I like Alamos very much I
    think again excellent
    management and um also great track
    record by the way I mean that’s
    something that I’m very keen on I always
    want to see what is the market telling
    me so often in my research I just
    compare all the stocks and then I want
    to see the performance because I believe
    the market knows more than myself so and
    Alamos was one of the best performing
    big gold mining companies um so that
    that’s a great stock then um I like uh
    Victoria gold okay Yukon one mind but
    great management been following them for
    the last 10 years I think they have also
    nice leverage on the gold price uh
    really good company um yeah that’s
    probably the the three top names that I
    would say uh on my personal list yeah
    and so they’re big they’re liquid
    they’re producers they make money that’s
    kind of where you prefer to be at this
    stage in the market and then so what
    about some silver
    names well uh interestingly enough uh
    Endeavor silver is back on my list used
    to be a big fan of that company many
    years ago uh I have very good memories
    of of Brad
    Coke and um um they’ve done really well
    I think they they have good potential
    here they they seem to recover and the
    market is is paying tribute uh has done
    really well um other than that I like
    puya silver they have done really well
    over the last which are kuya K KU ya
    exactly yeah yeah and they got assets I
    want to say Peru they’ve got asset in
    Peru and I think also good people
    running it um that’s a company I like
    and um well I mean from the smaller ones
    uh of course right now if if this is
    true what I’m just saying that over the
    next four weeks we might see silver
    really exploding you can probably buy
    any silver Mining stock because will do
    well for a few weeks right yeah yeah
    throw a dart you go down the ladder and
    you pick the smaller ones like aftermath
    silver yeah yeah this would easily
    double or triple over the next few weeks
    no problem I’m gonna hold you to that
    Floren right on well that’s uh that’s a
    that’s a great rundown and uh I don’t I
    don’t need to take up a lot of your time
    I get your thesis I agre agree through
    thesis and uh let’s hope it all all
    unfolds the way that we want it to and
    um I’m sure all our listeners will
    appreciate some of the names to look at
    too as well so uh yeah I really
    appreciate your time and um again thank
    you for joining at the investor report
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    Arlen is joined by Florian Grummes, an independent analyst, investor, trader and consultant who has been active in the financial markets since 1995.

    In this episode of The Kinvestor Report, Arlen and Florian discuss some of the recent catalysts for gold and silver, how the price of gold has correlated with majors, mid tiers and junior stocks, and some insights on how to balance precious metals investments.

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