Biden’s Blackout: How America & Norway Blew Up The Nord Stream Pipelines- Brian Rose & Seymour Hersh
Russia’s ability to feed gas at a cheap price to Europe was bothersome Biden wants to go to war I think in some unconscious way uh with Putin he wants to mix it up with the Russians one thing I can tell you about presidents they have noted that the presidents like Lincoln and Roosevelt who win Wars become famous presidents great presidents so they always have that itch and particularly a president at War always gets better ratings than a president not at War the agency a group in the co world was assigned a mission we want to do something to convince Putin to back down the question being asked of the White House do you want something reversible like sanctions or something irreversible and the word came back irreversible that means kinetic so the option was of course take out the pipelines why not so the US made a conscious choice to also communicate to Europe that guess what our political aims are more important than you and our alliance which is NATO which we’re supposed to all stick together in this case it’s not and we want to let you know we’re willing to do these things so they let Putin know and Germany know you just said it in two sentences I do believe he does not want to conquer Western Europe I don’t believe he wants to retake Germany I don’t believe he wants anything more he wants this buffer this Ukrainian buffer I wouldn’t mess with the guy he’s going to win this war [Music] the world is changing inspiration is everywhere it has never been so easy to connect share and bring people together we’re learning from others and finding the best in ourselves challenging our beliefs sharing our vulnerability overcoming our fears transforming ourselves so we can transform the world how far can we go this is London real I am Brian Rose my guest today is [Music] this is London real I am Brian Rose my guest today is Seymour Hirsch the investigative journalist political writer and author you first gained widespread recognition in 1969 for exposing the melei massacre and its coverup during the Vietnam war from there you went on to cover the Watergate scandal for the New York Times and also reported on the secret us bombing of Cambodia in 2004 you detailed the US military’s torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu grab in Iraq while in 200 5 you asserted that the Obama administration had lied about the death of Osama bin Laden for your work you’ve received the pullit surprise for international reporting a record five George pulk Awards and two national magazine Awards just recently you published an article claiming that the sabotage of the nordstream pipelines was carried out by the US Navy the CIA and the Norwegian Navy under the direct order of President Biden Seymour welcome to London reel glad to be here great to have you it seems like you have become super uh internet famous in the past week as Independent Media like ourselves uh is really curious about this story while mainstream media like the New York Times Washington Post and everybody else has completely ignored it um I’m curious if we could just dive into it Seymour what happened with nordstream why does it matter the bombing of nor Street really matters because it happened last fall late September and at that point uh Joe Biden My President was pushing very hard as you know he’s been a just had this you know one-on-one uh with Putin in in speeches very aggressive very hostile and intentions are ratcheting up and um what he did the intelligence Community is interesting because many people the intelligence Community I know it’s hard to say this they take the oath of office which they take is to the Constitution not to the president not to their boss and those are the people over the years that I I’m you know I’m you know I’m 300 years old man so I’m all after all these years I know a lot of people that ended up as four stars in all sorts of places and ended up um doing being involved in some of the most complicated stuff in the government and so pretty much have a sense of what to do and not to do so I heard about this story um uh a month after it happened nobody came to me with it I asked about it with somebody I knew who was inside and and and so what it was is Biden wants to go to war I think in some unconscious way with Putin he wants to mix it up with the Russians and I don’t know why but one thing I can tell you about presidents um they have noted that the presidents like Lincoln and Roosevelt who win Wars become famous presidents great presidents so they always have that itch and particularly a president at War always gets better ratings than a president not at War poor Bill Clinton when he got in office had had issued a demand about gays in the military and he was being ridiculed you know don’t ask don’t tell and he’s just being embarrassed by because he has supported that position very unprogressive America at that time on gay issues and so in may he or May or June of the first year six months in office he ordered the bombing of of Baghdad first major bombing of a major uh City in the Middle East uh nobody else ever and it was the best day he’s ever had the next day he went to church reported it was a Saturday he did the bombing Sunday he had reporters all over it was a great day for him so you know that’s just the way it is that’s just the way we respond and so I I’m just giving you sort of heuristic approach I don’t know what really was in his mind I have a guess but um about a year about so late in Christmas of 2021 before that the in December um looked like it definitely looked like um Putin was going to go to war you know he he’d had it with the ukrainians he thinks they’re sort of sublevel anyway some people might remember from the history books in the early 1930s Russia let 22 million people starve in the Ukraine just took all the grain from them and they just died they’ve always treated as a subculture and we’ve never really been big fans of Ukraine the NATO in particularly because of the corruption there right and also the old the fact that a significant body of the leadership even as lat as uh now you know before this war were had War Nazi in sigas there was a lot of that crazy stuff going on there really but on the other Kia was a fun city to V visit with a lot of good restaurants Etc and so the agency a group in the covert world was assigned a mission uh in December we want to we want to do something to to convince uh Putin to back down and we’re yipping and yelling by the president wasn’t doing it he was building up the forces and so the the the term of art I use is important because anybody on the inside knows I know something the words used were the group assembled NSA CIA um uh not the FBI I don’t think Treasury Department State Department all the people who could contribute either funding or what you will they started meeting in a secret room in the uh in in a building across the executive office building which is on the White House grounds but it’s separate it’s a it’s where they hide most of the uh most of the Executive offices are there they started meeting and the the question being asked uh of the White House through intermediaries this is the president do you want something reversible like sanctions or something irreversible and the word came back irreversible that means kinetic so the option was of course take out the pipelines why not threaten to because since the Kennedy days there’s been a lot of worry as the Cold War went on and we had this crazy oce of containment we can contain Communism in the Kennedy days even the Kennedy days on Russia’s ability to feed gas at a cheap price to Europe was bothersome because it was gave Russia what what you could call what this White House did call using weaponizing gas that’s what they were worried about Russia was using weaponizing gas and the fear was we have to hold Germany and NATO uh who get a lot they have no natural resources there in Western Europe and they they they were being supplied for a dozen since 2011 when the first pipeline nordstream there’s two pipelines the first one was built began pumping an enormous amount of gas at an incredibly cheap price building up the German engine you know the largest Chemical Company in the world B ASF is there and we have all those automobiles the fancy cars that that we all love in America the world loves them Mercedes Etc and so um what to do about that that was always a problem so the war starts and pushing NATO’s involved we’re pushing Western Union Western Europe and the Germans we want more tanks planes guns you know Etc and at some point um and so the idea was give them this option but once the war started the people in the field and they went to Norway because norways the Norwegian Sailors I I actually published a piece today about Norway’s role in Vietnam v m had a huge role in building up uh the Vietnam attacks we made in against North before the war was even declared and then Norway and the US always have had a close relationship they were the first one to join nato in 49 and got it it’s it’s very close and they have high Navy and underwater Crews as well well and also don’t forget they they have 1,400 miles of of of of uh of of ocean all the way they go Norway goes, 1400 miles from European Oslo uh all the way up to the Arctic Circle where where they run into Russia right and so we have built in the last decade we have put up the most advanced synthetic aperture radar they cost hundreds of millions of not more radar to monitor the Russian uh nuclear weapons fields in the across the mountains into uh uh in in Russia Northern Russia Cola Peninsula really cold up there anyway uh and so now we built bases we’ve added to their Air Force we work closely with their Navy and of course we work very closely with them in the early early stages of Vietnam War they were running up we were running Navy SEAL Teams and operations long before the War Began and we were we were working against the north um and doing a lot of aggressive stuff that wasn’t that long before anybody in America knew much about the war that Kennedy is sort of pushed too anyway uh that’s all ancient history it just it’s a it’s a place that fits because they keep their mouth shut right and um and I I I was unfair to them in the story I wrote I said they made profit they did make a good profit because the price of gas has gone up but they the amount of gas they shipped to uh to Western Europe has only risen about 34% since since this uh the pipeline was shut down the price of gas though has made their profit doubled so the price right now even though it’s been a warm winter people are paying uh I was three times as much three to four times as much in Italy five times as much in France for electricity and generates power plants are generated by oil um and so the price is going up and and so anyway so these guys are watching this the guys that did it I mean and they do as I say they take the oath of office to the Constitution not to the president and not to their commanding officer these are tough guys they like to do stuff that makes sense to them so they did plant the bombs they they were ready to go be could they could go at any time but Biden said no they initially got it done in June he said no then and then by July August with the war on they thought it’s okay late September he orders to hit they do it right so they they go in in June because we’re running a NATO exercise so they came up with a plan they had the cover they got the the the divers in there but then Biden said I want to I want to make it contingent right so he could do it right by remote control later which was a little bit challenging for them but they found a way to do that tell it’s a lot more challenging I actually wrote about because um uh um for a lot of reasons one is of course when you communicate to bombs that are set to be triggered by a signal sent by a sonar it’s low frequency because the water burns up high frequency it’s low and slow and it’s you know the way you the way you do it uh to make it really simple when you’re a kid you probably play these games knock knock knock knock it’s like like three knocks and two little ones so it’s a pulse that that triggers the Sona reads it the Sona goes triggers a pulse which triggers the bombs and the stuff we’re talking about stuff that can blow up blow up a major goddamn um high-rise you know big office building in New York and you know it’s real c4 max out you know it’s really a powerful bomb you have to the pipeline’s covered by Steel and it’s also covered by concrete because otherwise you you don’t want this the salinity in the water even though Belta much less much less salty than the Atlantic it’s still salty you don’t want it to eventually corrode so it’s a big project to blow it up the problem anyway and and you have to hide the bombs so they’re not visible by any Russians coming to inspect oh yeah you have to first they’re built underground but anyway um some of them go underground but basically um Russians have underwater submarines unmanned submarines spying and and they can detect something strange and we I don’t know I do know the details would would taken about three books to get it done and so they actually reached putting it there once for to go off in 48 hours you put a timer on it you know if a Miner’s down there if a diver’s down there and he sets the bomb he’s not going to set it for 10 minutes because it it takes them little while to get out of there and it’s going to blow Sky High uh so they have a 24hour 48 hour timer they put automatically that’s you don’t have to trigger it it’s going to go in two days but the White House Nicks that not knowing the complications and then you have uh a big period of how long this he wanted to stay under water one day three days three months and so there was a lot of problems about it this I didn’t write about it they had to go to all the major Laboratories um that the Navy has and by the way when you say Navy you’re right but I will tell you everybody on that project from the Navy was TDY that temporary Duty the Pentagon didn’t know their bosses in the Pentagon did not I’m turning off my phone hold on so the Pentagon didn’t know but CIA so they had to go actually they they went to a country called England which seems to do a lot about underwater stuff to get help on how to fix it they did fix it they made it so it could go off and then the president decides to do it in late September by this time if you remember last summer it looked like Ukraine had won a great Victory they were rolling through the Russians fell back well it turned out as the fall went on at the best you could hope for by latef Fall would be a stalemate that maybe you can get through the winter and do some serious negotiation and maybe you can get Russia to back off a little bit on Crimea not likely but on some of the the provinces that are the provinces dumb blasts that are in play so when they popped it they popped it here’s the thinking that I get Biden decided to blow northstream 2 which was controlled by Germany the first one Biden Putin had already shut down the first one in Anger off the rhetoric the second one was pump still they’re ready to pump it had it been built it been constructed he shut it down the Germans shut it down and the fear was Germany was getting anxious about the war there was so many economic demands they were also um uh um there was also pressure from Western Europe and there were questions being raised about what what what are we doing are we going to you know there was a lot of fear that they were going to end up in a protracted war with Russia that they would not win and so Biden’s fear was that schulta say the hell with this I got winter coming I’m putting I’m I’m taking the I want the gas I don’t want my people my companies to go dry this winter he would do the political thing and open up the pipeline so he took that option away from him and let me tell you what that means I’m I don’t do politics PE politicians call me there’s a lot of stuff going on in Germany now in the bundestag and their Parliament about this a lot of concern about this decision what he did is he told Europe all right since World War II you guys are depended on it we had your back really good but in this case we value more standing the standing trying to stand up the Russians more than you so be cold and be you know have your industry slow down and right now you have the biggest as I mentioned BASF talking to China about maybe you know doing some business there moving some things there because they don’t have a the gas costs too much the biggest corporations in the world that is the the biggest Chemical Company is is is looking forward to a lousy next winter over between September and October in the fall it was a very mild winter they built up stocks so that winter came they could get through this winter they will get through it even though prices have gone up um and I think the buag get the temperatur kept at 60 degrees a lot of people there are worrying you know um there’s ski underwear I assume everybody in Germany skis why not I would if I were there anyway so the U us made a conscious choice to also communicate to Europe that guess what our political aims are more important than you and our alliance which is NATO which we’re supposed to all stick together in this case it’s not and we want to let you know we’re willing to do these things so they let Putin know and Germany know you just said it in two sentences that’s exactly that’s what the thinking of the people involved and that’s probably why I was learning as much as I did because there was a sense that he had sort of the president had sort of misused a very significant element and there you know look uh I’ve been talking to people that that came out I did me a story about AI Massacre it was 18 months afterwards nobody wanted to publish it nobody believed the story there were polls them when I published the first story in some leftwing little leftwing just a magazine a newspaper that had corresp American correspondents who knew Vietnamese called dispatch but nobody’s paying much attention to it I couldn’t get a major you know even though I I had been around anyway I can’t tell how hard it was to not only have interviewed the guy Celly that they charge and have a copy of the charge sheet and still I got a major paper to prove it it’s not like in this case I don’t have a document and and so I get so many people that ask me um um uh well how can you prove it I said I had the same thing after mil I didn’t have a video of it you know I don’t have a video of these guys under the water digging around but that’s a crazy standard because I eventually went to work for the New York Times um I got the the first real writing job I got after doing Mei was at the New Yorker the best magazine in the goddamn world at the time I went and saw the editor William Shawn nobody everybody said don’t he won’t even talk to you within five minutes he hired me and I did stuff for him for a couple years and then the editor of the New York Times a Rosenthal is very conservative but damn it he likes stories and uh he hired me and he let me go he said just go and I wrote I wrote stuff I wrote about the CIA spying on American students I wrote about the CIA going after a yende I wrote some NSA stuff that I don’t have to brag about because in principle I like the idea of having intelligence collection I didn’t like them turning on us that’s what they did at one point they began to the CI began to spy on American citizens yeah and they’re too good to do that they got stuffed and that led this the famous hearings the church committee that first time we tried the con the Senate tried to do something and by the way way it’s no shock to me that the Democratic Senate led by Chuck Sumer uh I haven’t heard a word from anybody there hasn’t been a word said in in Congress about this yeah so let’s talk about the reaction to this piece because first of all the mainstream media haven’t picked it up at all um the White House Press Secretary denied it I think when they were asked by reporters afterwards or they went out of their way of denying it when they weren’t even asked there’s been some republicans in Congress that are now asking around saying wait a second if this was over shouldn’t we have been notified what has been the reaction what surprised you about that what hasn’t surprised you well I I know that if you want to get away from the story and when I did stuff I I mentioned a story I did on the CI spying completely contrary to their every law set in the books they were never supposed to touch anything like that in America yeah I I did I I told the New York Times and working on it for two years I told my editor two days before I wrote 7,000 words in the paper with seven on name sources okay and nobody called up and said who are the sources they’ asked me earlier and they learned who they were so they on this story they didn’t do they ran it all over the front page and that’s the power of the times which isn’t being used now but now you use the fact that I’m not naming a source my name is Jim Rickards I’m a former advisor to the CIA Department of Defense and the White House in a moment you’ll have my own evidence that very few people have seen you’ll see how I believe two acts of democratic stupidity are about to combine into a storm that will change America forever the American Energy Armageddon in fact due to specific circumstances created by the Armageddon it’s possible you could now win big While others lose you see there’s a universal truth in times of Crisis money moves during the coming energy Armageddon most Americans will face new hardships but not all a few will win and win big you’re about to see how the energy Armageddon could create a one-time opportunity to secure new substantial wealth if you want in keep watching right now today 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from the source and and but I’ve got a long track record that they walk away from this one has to do I think with the polarization of the press that maybe Trump started Trump came in and you know you either liked them or you didn’t like them we soon had you had Fox News and the New York New York Post and other papers who were more Pro more I guess to the right more conservative and then you had the liberal press in total opposition so it was a you know the and it stayed because the it’s a democrat in power the Democratic Senate is not going to touch it uh the Republican house the Republicans own the house um um the one guy in in in the in in in the uh the one guy that is seems to be way out there who’s quite bright as Jim Jordan who’s chairman of a committee Jordan’s really I I’ve watched Jim uh run he was a head of a subcommittee in the house at one point and he ran he ran he ran hearing on very complex um money issues a lot of our money issues and he understands things he does his homework but he’s cut up in trying to find out what’s going on with Hunter Thompson the sun you know that you know that that’s sort of peripheral issue why they’re not looking at this more seriously you mentioned that there are some talking but there’s been no serious action taken to find out and let me tell you something let me tell you something about the power of the White House this happens on the 26th of September uh he stiffs Europe basically and four days later there’s a news conference and the Press Corps um uh uh Jake Sullivan is the National Security adviser to the president uh one of the Gaggle that was always for expanding NATO during his career that’s been his one of his things so Sullivan gives a briefing and finally somebody asks him about the pipeline that blew up and he does the thing U we don’t know anything but he says very carefully very interestingly but denway and normar are going to be looking at it and we’ll you know of course we have no idea we’re pretty it looks like the Russians did it that’s the Russians are behaving in the ways they do dropping that stuff the usual stuff and no reporter seems to know what the president had said the threat he’ made earlier that doesn’t see that isn’t mentioned because that’s pretty important in in my version of the story anyway um he says there’s going to be an investigation the swedes and the Danes are doing an investigation the so okay we got an answer H A month later the swedes and Danes after their investigation guess what they report they conclude that there something happened underground there was an explosion the probably was sabotaged that was their conclusion a month later it’s comical really comical and meanwhile and so here’s the president of the United States he has the power to do something called to give to send out something called the tasking order the president can task the community and he’s got a lot of options we have something called the office of National Intelligence which is the Puba they’re in charge of all of it the the known and the unknown and the down and dirty and they have a director of intelligence who has the charge to do any investigation he’s not asked to do anything there’s also the CIA which has a director of intelligence which puts by the way puts out a lot of superb stuff uh all the mations of the agency its intelligence is usually you know it can sometimes be tilted but a lot of times it’s quite brilliant and very straightforward particularly when when they work with other allies and nobody asks them and then there’s a little black intellig service I think it one time was called the sea shop where there’s the guys who write the intelligence for our boys who do stuff like in Norway that’s a a separate Wing the way it works is the guys in Norway are known to themselves the head of they see I may know they’re there but if he ask should I know more they’d say no and he’d say okay the White House only knows something’s going on that’s the way it should be and that’s the way it was run but they’re not at so here’s a white house that’s you know talking about the Russians might have done it and there’s investigation in Denmark and Sweden U but the white house isn’t asking anybody in this own agency which does superb work they intercept you know we have all access to all the communications don’t don’t believe we stop collecting stuff from Europe please don’t believe that you know from your people we we everybody monitors everybody it’s it you know the Merkel thing was pretty bad because it got exposed when she was overheard but never asked so ask a smart guy inside as I have so why didn’t they ask and the answer is well because they knew the answer why would you ask the community to do something and haven’t find out what we know we know we did it right but right the Press doesn’t even think that way because I don’t know why so all things point to this this is the biggest Open Secret to everybody in the community there’s no doubt to anybody who’s anywhere near this that the US did this from pipeline people to anybody uh the pipeline people uh and the people who were involved working with the companies don’t forget it was a huge big Enterprise that put 1500 miles of pipe under waterer and there was a big community and they they had a lot of people they hired to represent them in Washington and a lot of very good oil people um work for them and then also all the the puas that own the companies that Finance the piping is usually done through a you know you’ll go to a you’ll go to some some major slush fund and get money from them you know an investment Corporation but basically I know I have physical reason to know things in my hand that they all understood right away it was Russia it was not Russia because that made no sense they all understood the only player was I don’t know maybe I don’t know is Montenegro part of I always keep forgetting to look is Montenegro part of NATO maybe not Montenegro did it by himself but I can guarantee you Nate didn’t do it because they’d be shooting themselves in the foot right and so anyway there you are you’ve asked the right question I had a question from former guest of mine his name is Jim Rickards he was a excia adviser writes a lot of books about money and about global supplies and he said this he said isn’t the sabotage of nordstream tantamount to an act of War by the us against Germany even if Olaf scholes approved the attack isn’t that an act of treason against his own country lastly he asked how long will the German people be expected to act as us flunkies I’m curious what you say about that I hear Olaf is headed to DC in the next week or two well it was I I’ve been in touch I’ve been talked to there’s a lot of groups that are doing investigations some of them are are even some of the major universities are doing ad hoc stuff because it’s so obvious I I have no way of knowing what Schulz was told or not he was with the president when the when B made that a blunt statement we will stop it we can he was there he then said something that I did not put in the article U because what he said was I’m I’m I support America and all that I didn’t want to suggest that he was saying he he agreed with him about what was going on because I don’t know it’s it’s a question he’s going to have to answer I hear he’s coming to Washington in an maybe next week uh like a good puppy dog I don’t know they’ll do the song and dance right you’ll deny any knowledge the problem is that the White House is the position in the position of the only thing they can do to salvage something in this mess they’ve made is deny it so they’re never going to admit it it won’t just won’t happen it’ll be one of the great mysteries of of the western civilization and how how they uh anyway and ultimately it was probably a smart power move because they’ve shown their strength and like you said Biden’s popularity has gone up it’s probably his only chance of winning an election is by doing this of course two days ago he shows up in Ukraine in Kiev next to zalinski with his sunglasses on walking around I mean it all seems to be going along the same lines of this is the way to get reelected I’m curious what you think about that well I the the thing I published today was about Lyndon Johnson and and Norwegians working with us and Johnson lying to start the war and and and when you only a four minute speech actually had the whole speech you could listen to it if you wanted to on on on the thing there was a link to it and it it you know I I’m a Vietnam War junkie I mean I when you start once you start doing Mei I’ve been I’ve been looking at things in Vietnam uh since then and it I learned something five years ago that I didn’t know and I’ve been working Co slowed up everything but I I’ll tell you um um the number killed in Vietnam usually is put between two and three million as if there’s not much difference you know I I can’t believe the implicit racism of that but that’s another thought but the Johnson speech he lied about everything you know he claimed that the North Vietnamese did something they didn’t do and he claimed they were doing it all the time when really our seals have been working in there going after radar stuff we even had a couple seals uh wounded in North Vietnam and they managed to get to the coast where they were they were they were um uh rescued and by the way um and won the Medal of Honor in secrecy I I wrote about that today the show mendacity usually can work when a president does it but look what happened to us when Johnson May gave that speech in 54 you had 58,000 Americans killed and you had two to three million Vietnamese that’s the number we don’t know the number killed we know that many died how many were directly from the war um died because of of of of being involved or in the area where the war was some died of old age I’m sure too but not many there a lot of killing and so when you look at it that way you say to yourself what are are these guys doing you know wagging a finger in the face of a Chinese in public in public provoking the Chinese pushing hard Putin two days ago announced he was going to put all of his nuclear subs on full alert you know I mean wow yeah I mean where are we going with this what does he want and what yeah he want reelection I’m serious what does he want out of this what does Biden want out of this is that what you’re asking yeah he wants to get reelected that’s all I think I just just opinion I think that’s all people in political power care about I ran to be mayor of London a few years ago on a whim and I got a small glimpse into that world and that is the most important thing for anybody in that office it’s the next election and they will do what it takes to get it and they seem to be very myopic in order to make that happen just really quickly see more there’s an incredible film which I’m sure you’ve seen called the fog of war that with where Robert mcamera talks about so many things you you speak about from the Vietnam War and he ends that movie talking about nuclear war and I think he had by chance gotten a gotten an opportunity to bump into uh Castro I think um many many years later and talk confence yeah and talking about the the standoff there and I think he asked him he said would you have launched those missiles and he said yes I would have and he said how could you how could you even say that to me that you would have started a thermonuclear war based on just coming to a head in that situation knowing all the Death it would have caused and his final message to everyone was you need to be very very careful about this these weapons we have because uh people in certain circumstances are are are apt to deploy them without really understanding the ramifications and it feels like we’re coming very close to that now pH it’s so funny you say that because when I did the Meli stuff big X it was a um Harper’s magazine then did a um uh 35 page extra from my book I published a book on it that came and in different stock and sold who knows x x hundreds more thousands and it was a big deal and when that came out Mam’s son he had a son and daughter that were against the war this is a very tortured man who did what what I’m telling you what Johnson did lied about everything mcer was with him on that lying he wanted that war as much as anything in in 1964 he wanted wanted to go and get the commies I don’t know what it’s about but his son told me called me and said uh in tears pretty much I’m in the phone book it’s 1969 and he said you know when the article came I I dad works after dinner in his library and I I I left it on his table in the library after dinner before before he went in and when he went to sleep I you know like a 18 19y old kid I he’s probably listening to the top 10 music you know what what kids do smoking a joint I don’t know what they did those anyway he went down and was in the fireplace and he called me to say how upset he was about it so years later 30 years 40 years later I go to Vietnam finally because I didn’t want to go I just didn’t want to see that there was a ditch where everybody was killed that I wrote about that this I couldn’t you you can’t imagine as an American to see what our boys did and there was much more going on there that I finally learned but anyway and so I I went and when I went back I called the son I told him I went back and uh I went back there and I said just wanted to talk about it he he didn’t remember calling me but he he he did dispute it and then he said to me you know my I asked him if he made he was very alienated from his father and I asked he’s a he’s a lovely kid runs a w Farm in California very highend and I asked him if he um he didn’t dispute that happened he knew how angry he was and he said you know when my father was I made up with my father before he died and he said uh I was with him the moment he passed passed away and this is the former head of Ford Motor Company a very sure guy you know a very big star of the Kenny years he said my dad asked to me he said you think God will accept me for what I’ve done and he said I said yes and I told him that was the right thing to say how could you not say that but very moving will God accept me because he knew yeah there’s a lot of souls at his life you know what I think about uh I was in the Army and I was a terrible should I was you know I had to avoid the draft because I’d gone to Long school and bounce out of there so fast it wasn’t funny I hated wall but I wasn’t dumb I knew it wasn’t dumb but I you know worked as a bar you do those things I I I didn’t go to Harvard or Yale and I was an editor of the Harvard Yale you know or the Harvard crimson and Y Daily News I my father died of cancer when I was 16 and he ran a a ghetto business in the black pot of Chicago and I ran it while going to college I was when I got to the Washington Bureau I was the strangest thing that had ever seen I I didn’t belong I didn’t belong to a needy club I’m only exaggerating slightly anyway and so oh I can leave all these stories out you don’t need to know them all but yeah I think uh magne you can tell in that movie he’s he’s tortured by a lot of the things that he had the decisions he made um well I’ll tell you one thing he did he always answered every call I gave him after that really wow and he I mean I don’t know if that was way of soless but but I I always could talk to him and uh the the regret was there in way you know he he uh it’s it’s got to be on your soul when you have a war that awful and so are we are we approaching something very dangerous I mean we it seems like the Biden Administration has an agenda they’re going all in on Ukraine even though like you said it doesn’t make sense it was notoriously not a regime that we liked or wanted to support or we thought was corrupt and now it’s it’s putting us on this headlong Collision to Russia meanwhile the mainstream media has seemed to decided to just go with whatever the administration is saying and not even report the facts of what’s happening in Ukraine well but even the way they handle the communic cas you know there you know the and covering the uh Tony Anthony blinkin the the Secretary of State went to China after refusing to go because of balloons we can deal with that some other time but the whole story of that is comical really comical are you going to do a piece on what really happened with the balloons no because it’s too trivial but I will tell you there were contracts given to the University of Fairbanks in northern Alaska there’s no they needed coverage over the the when most of the major airlines go from the Asia to America over the polar Co over the pole north pole there’s no weather station there and the pilots even though at 30,000 ft it’d be nice to know if there was a sudden downdraft or something going on below they needed to know so so the Fairbanks got this contract to send up um uh balloon type things they were Vehicles really that’s what they shot down uh to monitor monitor the weather they had a federal contract the government paid for that and of course nobody’s talking about that they shot it down by accident or they shot it down to make it look like they were doing something I don’t know what they did you know I have no I have no idea what what they were doing but anything to to make a fight with China you know that’s the way it goes um does it surprise you seeyour that an 85-year-old guy writing on substack can break something that shocks the world I I didn’t know how powerful suback was I I have a friend Matt taibi who writes a lot for suback and he was telling me you gota he pushed me into it he said it’s amazing and I will tell you um it’s a very Discerning crowd because a lot of people have been waiting to somebody to explicate the the the gulf thing it was just a mystery I I I don’t know why my old newspaper I’ve said I’ve said privately to somebody I know there and I’ve said not not that much only a couple of times New York Times mention that the pipeline people know something but nobody’s chasing it I it’s just and look uh do I see the Democrats as I said doing having a hearing on it you know when I was when we were in mili days the Democrats were against were against s trying to stop the War uh with a lot of Republicans there were moderate Republicans that were just fantastic then you had a real group of of legislators who understood again that we were in a going in a death spiral there not only to our own people but to a lot of people in Asia and by the way if you want to know about containment if you looked at what happened in Saigon in 75 we fell Saigon fell and a couple weeks later Cambodia fell Communists took over crazies and a couple weeks after that ineni and laas fell so the whole purpose that we gave for explaining the war was we had it was to contain red red China and North Vietnam contain the Communists and so the whole so everything we were fighting for collapsed within a month and guess what happened nothing nothing uh they all became eventually we’re the largest trading partner of Vietnam now which used to be North V was the north one the country’s unified nothing happened so all that stuff we were doing like containing China who lost the contain the whole notion of containment that’s what I’ve been looking at it it falls on its head it was just wrong and so when David halberstam was a wonderful guy and a friend of mine wrote a book called the best and the brightest and I I now I I always wondered because they weren’t that bright they may have been the first in their class at Harvard but they in the real world you know they they like mcam who head a for yeah was a whisk it um they had no common sense when it came down to it and I but I understand now that title was sarcastic I wish David died long ago and I wish I could have asked him about it so anyway this this policy of containment would you look at the would you look at our treatment of Ukraine through that same lens are we fighting a battle that we’re going to look look at 50 years from now and say that was just ridiculous you can’t you can’t push something uphill you can’t stop everybody every business knows if you go to if you go do anything in Ukraine the first thing you have to do is start paying off everybody right and I will tell you that the rap on zalinski um zinski is not unaware of the money to be made from American let’s just put it there I want I don’t want to say something that that I shouldn’t but uh just because it’s none of my business and um but uh the corruption there is it goes up to the top and you know we’ve we’ve you know he’s he’s been told you know cut it out and and you know I don’t understand uh I don’t understand it’s it’s clear that the the the Ukraine Army has been eviscerated and the people are suffering terribly and he’s keeping on going and Biden’s keeping on going instead of pushing like a mother for peace you’re Boris Johnson did his thing he he I think it’s pretty clear in March or April when he went he he screwed up some peace talks that are underway the turkeys the Turks were doing peace talks and uan who I don’t like at all because he’s he’s uh you know he’s very undemocratic eruan is keeping Sweden out of the NATO because he was he’s I’m sure he’s enraged at the fact that he had something going and we we blew it in the spring with the Russians because he has good contexts he was he was taking oil from Russia excess oil Russia has done fine you know their economy is in a downfall inflation’s High the same as it is here uh but it’s not as bad as in the rest of the world certainly not as bad as in the UK and u he’s certainly holding on to continue watching the rest of the episode for free visit our website londonreal.tv or click the link in the description below [Music] [Music] wor
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There’s so much going on in the world right now, at times you need to trust your instincts and moreover be very careful where you get your information. We live in very divisive times and it can be very hard to know who and what to trust. The big tech companies have waged war on anyone deemed to be spreading misinformation, and more and more we’re seeing the mainstream media outlets fail to dig deep on issues that are crying out for answers.
One such story that deserves widespread attention, and should be of huge concern to anyone in the western world is the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines. On top of all that is happening in the world, this winter has seen an energy crisis that has deeply impacted so many across Europe and beyond, as soaring prices have left most counting the cost.
On 26 September 2022, a series of clandestine bombings and subsequent underwater gas leaks occurred on the Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipelines. The pipelines were built to transport natural gas from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea, and are majority owned by Gazprom. The mainstream narrative claims the perpetrators and the motives were at best unknown and open to debate.
But, not as far as today’s guest is concerned. He is something of a legendary figure in the world of news reporting and has spent much of the last 50 years elbow-deep in some of the biggest and oftentimes most controversial stories of the day.
I’m talking of course about Seymour Hersh, the investigative journalist, political writer and author, who among his many accolades was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for international reporting.
Seymour believes that the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines was carried out by the US Navy, the CIA, and the Norwegian Navy, under the direct order of President Biden. To say this has caused a stir in the corridors of power would be something of an understatement
Seymour has had a long and storied career having first written for The New Yorker back in 1971. He spent time on the Presidential campaign of Eugene J. McCarthy as a speech writer and press secretary, before joining the New York Times in 1972.
Seymour gained widespread recognition for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War. In the 1970s, he covered the Watergate scandal for The New York Times and revealed the clandestine bombing of Cambodia.
In 2004, he reported on the US military’s mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison, while his endeavours to uncover the circumstances of Osama Bin Laden’s death saw him caught in the crosshairs as he accused the Obama administration of lying systematically about the killing, something he suggested American media outlets were reluctant to challenge.