THE THESIS:
"I've seen hundreds of traders come through. good ones. smart ones. talented ones."
"90% of the ones who blew up didn't blow up from bad trades. they blew up from bad sizing on normal trades."
"a 1R loss at proper size is nothing. a 1R loss at 10x proper size is account death."
THE EXAMPLES:
he walked me through case studies:
TRADER A:
– excellent strategy, 58% WR
– consistently profitable for 2 years
– had a "high conviction" trade
– sized up 5x normal position
– trade lost
– drawdown was 23% instead of 5%
– psychology cracked
– revenge traded the next week
– blew the account in 8 days
"he didn't blow up from a bad trade. he blew up from a big trade."
TRADER B:
– mediocre strategy, 51% WR
– survived for 11 years
– never sized above 0.8% per trade
– took the same size on every trade
– no "high conviction" sizing
– compounded slowly but never blew up
"he's worth $4M now. started with $50k. just never killed himself with size."
THE RULE:
"every trader who blows up violates the same rule"
"they size based on CONVICTION instead of MATH"
"'this one feels right' so they go bigger"
"'I'm on a winning streak' so they go bigger"
"'I need to make it back' so they go bigger"
"conviction is how you justify stupid sizing"
THE DATA:
he showed me internal research:
traders who sized based on conviction:
– average survival time: 2.4 years
– account explosion rate: 74%
traders who sized mathematically (same size every trade):
– average survival time: 8.3 years
– account explosion rate: 12%
"it's not even close. variable sizing kills traders."
THE MATH:
he broke down why "high conviction" sizing is stupid:
"let's say you're 60% accurate on normal trades"
"let's say you're 70% accurate on 'high conviction' trades"
"sounds good right? go bigger on the 70% trades?"
"wrong. here's why:"
"at 60% accuracy with 1% risk, a 4-loss streak costs you 4%"
"at 70% accuracy with 5% risk, a 4-loss streak costs you 20%"
"and 4-loss streaks happen even at 70% accuracy"
"you FEEL more confident but the math doesn't justify the size increase"
THE SOLUTION:
"how do you size then?"
"same size every trade. no exceptions."
"what about when you're really confident?"
"same size. confidence isn't accuracy."
"what about when the setup is perfect?"
"same size. perfect setups lose 40% of the time."
"what about when you're on a winning streak?"
"same size. streaks end."
"every trade gets the same respect. the 'boring' ones and the 'perfect' ones."
THE IMPLEMENTATION:
his rules for position sizing:
- calculate your base risk (0.5-2% depending on account size and edge)
- that's your risk on EVERY trade
- never size up. ever.
- if you want more money, scale accounts/capital. don't scale risk.
"I've been trading 23 years. I've never taken a trade above 2% risk. not once."
"my biggest winners and my 'meh' trades got the same size"
"I'm not trying to hit home runs. I'm trying to not strike out."
THE TRUTH:
retail traders think they need big trades to make big money
professionals know big trades make big losses
the traders managing real money all size conservatively
they make money through VOLUME of good trades not SIZE of individual trades
if you're varying your position size based on "conviction":
you're already on the path to blowing up
it's just a matter of when
same size
every trade
no exceptions
that's how you survive
Sizing beats everything
byu/Initial-Zone-8907 inwallstreetbets
Posted by Initial-Zone-8907
25 Comments
Yes size matters. My ex gf told me this before she left me for another dude. 😔
Maximum trade size of 0.8% of your portfolio sounds pretty fucking lame.
Also most people here have a portfolio under 10k.
So just invest 80 bucks at a time, duh.
This is why we always go all in.
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You don’t get rich by winning big.
You get rich by never losing big.
TL;DR
– Every trade is a high conviction trade;
– The only sizing that matter is 100% of you portfolio in 0dte options
Does losing 10k suck yes but does missing out on 100k gain bc your scared suck more absolutely in my opinion
This is all well and good but if your risk is that small then your returns will be too and you may as well just VOO and chill instead of wasting time day trading and obsessing over the market
In the trades, people that size conductors are called electricians.
He is right. But 99% of fellow degens here would rather have a 1% chance of getting rich tomorrow than a 20% chance of getting rich in 7 years..
I full port only but for you I have only one question
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You just copied this from Twitter you gaylord
10″ > 2″
Sizing on conviction ***IS*** math, see Kelly Criterion.
The problem with Trader A was
>revenge traded the next week
Who’s “he”, and why is half your post in quotation marks?
FULL PORT OR DIE
TL;DR
All in every trade
“That’s what”-She
Dafuq is this
I have a 1.5MM active trade on a biostock. Am i trader B?
1. Don’t lose money
2. Dont’t forget about rule 1
Damn. This could be the best advice I ignore all year.
And it’s the first week of January.
Is chat now a he? Why the fuck is everything in quotes. Pure regardium
Note to self: discussion
I ain’t reading this shit
Upvoted anyway
I ran 5000 Monte Carlo simulations with the information OP has given us. The one assumption I made is that both traders trade the same amount. They start out with 10,000$ and place 10 trades per year.
# Results (5,000 Monte Carlo paths)
|Metric|Trader B|Trader A|
|:-|:-|:-|
|**Median final capital**|$11,151|$471,403,500|
|**Mean final capital**|$11,338|$3,556,007,000|
|**5th percentile**|$8,569|$18,342,340|
|**95th percentile**|$14,664|$12,163,980,000|
|**Probability of ruin**|0%|0%|
sooooo I did the math and OP is dumb AF.
Case study, dude you may have as well typed don’t lose your shit and revenge trade. However, if you don’t exceed 20% of your portfolio each trade you cannot ruin yourself with a 58% win rate.