I've seen a lot of people mention 72T as a future plan, not sure how many people have actually pulled that trigger. I've read up on the rules, curious who has actually done it.
My current thinking/assumptions right now:
* Assume I'd target age 51-52, so a relatively short run of time to hit the 59 1/2 minimum
* Assume I'd use the regular 72T payments as baseline/necessity spend, with spending from taxable brokerage account to cover extras/luxuries/nice to haves
* Assume I'd spin off 2-3 small IRAs for 72T designation, each roughly sized to provide 10K/year using the fixed amortization” or the “fixed annuitization” method, giving the flexibility to downshift them with "one-time irrevocable switch to the “RMD” method" (eg as a calculator exercise today, a 200k balance retiring now would give ~10.7k annual payments using Fixed amortization method, but 3.7k using RMD method. If I had 2-3 of those small IRAs designated for 72T distributions, and needed to change course, that would give me a lever to reduce payouts — and if I needed to add another 10/year, I could split out another small IRA)
Is this an unreasonable way to look at this? What has been your experience using 72T?
Rule 72T / SEPP strategy questions
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72(t) SEPPs work but are rigid once started, u’re locked in 5 yrs or until 59½. Splitting IRAs helps reduce payouts with the one-time RMD switch. Use SEPP for essentials, taxable accounts for extras, and run the numbers carefully to avoid penalties.
I am currently using an SEPP. I’m not sure why, in your case, you would bother with several IRA’s. The biggest risk to an SEPP is a management/execution error. You should absolutely size the IRA used for the SEPP to meet your needs, leaving other assets available outside of the SEPP. But managing multiple small SEPP’s on the off-chance that you might want to change the distribution method on *some* of them? Too much complexity IMO.
Remember the worst case is that you take the full SEPP distribution, decide you don’t need to spend all of it, and just reinvest it in a taxable or Roth account.
I retired at 52 and took my first 72t distribution last year at 53. I had originally planned to setup an IRA to fund our required expenses and then leverage brokerage for our variable / fun living expenses. So, very similar plan to you. Once I modeled everything out and made simplicity the priority, I decided to do a single IRA for all our yearly expenses. I did a single distribution of the full amount rather than monthly or quarterly distributions.
I’ve been doing a 72T for 3 years. I definitely would split off an IRA that would provide how much you want per year. I don’t think there is a need to have more than 2 tIRAs unless you need to start another 72t on part of the other account. Don’t mess up the calculation and don’t miss your distribution or it is very expensive. Don’t wait until the last minute to take your distribution for the year (like Dec 29th). I keep it simple and do one distribution per year rather than monthly or quarterly.
Keeping a separate tIRA allows you to do Roth conversions if appropriate.
Keep in mind that the distribution are income and not only do you have to pay federal and possibly state tax but it can affect ACA tax credits.
Great questions and answers. Since there are a few here doing this, can I ask who among you is doing the calc yourself (website? or Excel?) vs using a CPA or similar? Any particular method of recordkeeping, firms or backup? Thank you!