I feel sorry for American automakers being jerked around by the Trump admin. The IRA gave them what they needed to be competitive in the EV market. They make investments in good faith, and then Trump and republicans just fucked them right in the ass and pulled the rug out from under them by repealing the IRA. It’s really sad how much republicans hate America and American manufacturing.
ronreadingpa on
U.S. companies largely rely on China for cheap stuff. Finally time U.S. consumers get a similar benefit buying EVs. BYD has a good reputation and priced very well.
ThePain on
Beware, there’s about to be a SHIT TON of CCP bots spamming this thread and mass downvoting anyone who doesn’t think this is great news.
BYD stands for Burn Your Driveway because they’re well known to randomly explode and burn down people’s homes in China.
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Jdobalina on
Why are they worried? Because people might actually be able to afford an electric car that works? I thought they believed in free market capitalism in the U.S.? If Teslas are so much better, then they would sell more than BYD. Right?
Maybe if you didn’t have one asshole ketamine freak selling cars in the U.S. we could have some competition.
TGAILA on
>These vehicles can cost as little as $10,000 to $20,000; in the U.S., new vehicles are running close to $50,000 on average, and EVs even more so.
Who wouldn’t want a $10,000 EV? Some might dismiss it as a cheap Chinese knockoff, but China’s tech quality and performance are improving lately. Allegedly, they may have stolen Tesla’s technology and improved upon it.
move-it-along on
In the Bolt, GM almost had a price competitive product, but a) it didn’t sell that well and b) the elimination of the federal incentives pushed the price point. So Chinese EVs actually will have no head to head competition for the commuter EV market ( except maybe the Nissan Leaf ).
TheDudeAbidesFarOut on
Is this why Musk was meeting with Trump? Is Cucklon scheming an import block?
I’m writing this sentence so I don’t get fined. I’m writing this sentence so I don’t get fined.
rollem on
If they catch on in Canada and are shown to be safe, reliable, and cheap alternatives to US cars in a market that is similar to the US, then they should have reason to worry. But the US market will remain closed off to them for the foreseeable future. I would be surprised if even a Dem administration would let them in. But the US market is no longer the largest market in the world and only represents around 20% of the world market these days. This is simply another way that the US will become more isolated from the rest of the world in the coming years, making us weaker, poorer, and less competitive. The obvious result of “America first” is actually “America left behind.”
padizzledonk on
>Chinese electric vehicles are making inroads in America. Experts are worried
Worried about what? Getting beat?
Thats Capitalisim folks. U.S automakers need to do better and beat them, thats how “The Market” works, winners win and losers lose.
We’ve entirely lost that, we haven’t had a functioning market for a long time
Yea, the Chinese stole/steals a lot of IP, they behave badly in the currency markets, all of their companies are basically state controlled- often not directly day to day but when the CCP needs/wants something from them they jump and they prop up a lot of businesses directly (we do too to a degree but not as much as they do)
The things they are beating us on are things we ceded to them either directly or through greed by shipping everything over there or by protectionism for existing industry by killing nascent industries
Thank the GOP, its almost entirely their fault, they are anti new energy, they celebrate companies shipping jobs overseas and juicing the top line profits, they protect old industry and denigrate the new ones and throw up roadblocks and stood in the way at every opportunity
It is what it is, we deserve to get crushed at this point and there is no stopping it now, more protectionism is just gping to make the situation worse
pasterhatt on
Half the country thinks global warning is a liberal scam, half the government is full in on supporting oil and gas extraction.
Meanwhile, China gives their electric car manufacturers a blank check for an decade and poof. Anyone asking how this could happen is quite frankly a dunce. Policy matters, and America just can’t get it’s act together.
CharlieBravo74 on
The Chinese have three big advantages that, currently, make their dominance of the world wide EV market very likely. First, they make very, very good EVs. They decided to stop trying to make IC cars and leap frogged us. Our auto industry has made half hearted attempts at EVs for fear of damaging higher margin SUV sales. Second, their technical and manufacturing expertise has leveled up considerably and they’re not dragging 100 years of legacy products behind them so they can produce these cars at an excellent price point. China has been catching up to American manufacturing and design expertise for quite a while. Biden made an attempt to reverse that, but it was small and stomped on by Trump. Third, with the entree of Trump w, the US has stopped competing in that market, opening the doors wide to China. Electrification is inevitable. It’s the trend world wide and Trump’s pro-fossil fuel, pro legacy automotive policies are essentially denying that trend, to the detriment of the country.
Welcome to the ascension of China, brought to you by Donald Trump and American legacy automotive complacency.
Ratb33 on
It isn’t the 10-20k cars that they need to worry about. They prob won’t even pass safety regs. But look at the 25-50k EVs from BYD. They are light years ahead of everything else out there.
Can see for yourself in YT. It’s crazy how good they are. Now, durability and longevity are still unknown for sure. But they’re incredible.
Midnight1965 on
Well, we got the American president trying his hardest to bring back oil consumption and killing electric cars in the process. Meanwhile, other countries are going to leave us in the dust with reliable and affordable EVs.
Celebratedmediocre on
Make better cars Detroit. I haven’t bought from an American car company in 30 years. My parents gave me their old Chevy once, transmission leaked at 70k miles. My Toyota has 200k miles and all I’ve done is regular maintenance
digital on
But the so-called experts aren’t worried about the the tariffs that are destroying our economy or the unhinged government that is attacking its own citizens.
JohnnyUtah on
Shame on US industry for abandoning smaller, inexpensive models and failing to understand the desirability of EVs. They’re trying to cram everyone into a 5,000 pound gas guzzler and, honestly, fuck em.
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I feel sorry for American automakers being jerked around by the Trump admin. The IRA gave them what they needed to be competitive in the EV market. They make investments in good faith, and then Trump and republicans just fucked them right in the ass and pulled the rug out from under them by repealing the IRA. It’s really sad how much republicans hate America and American manufacturing.
U.S. companies largely rely on China for cheap stuff. Finally time U.S. consumers get a similar benefit buying EVs. BYD has a good reputation and priced very well.
Beware, there’s about to be a SHIT TON of CCP bots spamming this thread and mass downvoting anyone who doesn’t think this is great news.
BYD stands for Burn Your Driveway because they’re well known to randomly explode and burn down people’s homes in China.
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
Why are they worried? Because people might actually be able to afford an electric car that works? I thought they believed in free market capitalism in the U.S.? If Teslas are so much better, then they would sell more than BYD. Right?
Maybe if you didn’t have one asshole ketamine freak selling cars in the U.S. we could have some competition.
>These vehicles can cost as little as $10,000 to $20,000; in the U.S., new vehicles are running close to $50,000 on average, and EVs even more so.
Who wouldn’t want a $10,000 EV? Some might dismiss it as a cheap Chinese knockoff, but China’s tech quality and performance are improving lately. Allegedly, they may have stolen Tesla’s technology and improved upon it.
In the Bolt, GM almost had a price competitive product, but a) it didn’t sell that well and b) the elimination of the federal incentives pushed the price point. So Chinese EVs actually will have no head to head competition for the commuter EV market ( except maybe the Nissan Leaf ).
Is this why Musk was meeting with Trump? Is Cucklon scheming an import block?
I’m writing this sentence so I don’t get fined. I’m writing this sentence so I don’t get fined.
If they catch on in Canada and are shown to be safe, reliable, and cheap alternatives to US cars in a market that is similar to the US, then they should have reason to worry. But the US market will remain closed off to them for the foreseeable future. I would be surprised if even a Dem administration would let them in. But the US market is no longer the largest market in the world and only represents around 20% of the world market these days. This is simply another way that the US will become more isolated from the rest of the world in the coming years, making us weaker, poorer, and less competitive. The obvious result of “America first” is actually “America left behind.”
>Chinese electric vehicles are making inroads in America. Experts are worried
Worried about what? Getting beat?
Thats Capitalisim folks. U.S automakers need to do better and beat them, thats how “The Market” works, winners win and losers lose.
We’ve entirely lost that, we haven’t had a functioning market for a long time
Yea, the Chinese stole/steals a lot of IP, they behave badly in the currency markets, all of their companies are basically state controlled- often not directly day to day but when the CCP needs/wants something from them they jump and they prop up a lot of businesses directly (we do too to a degree but not as much as they do)
The things they are beating us on are things we ceded to them either directly or through greed by shipping everything over there or by protectionism for existing industry by killing nascent industries
Thank the GOP, its almost entirely their fault, they are anti new energy, they celebrate companies shipping jobs overseas and juicing the top line profits, they protect old industry and denigrate the new ones and throw up roadblocks and stood in the way at every opportunity
It is what it is, we deserve to get crushed at this point and there is no stopping it now, more protectionism is just gping to make the situation worse
Half the country thinks global warning is a liberal scam, half the government is full in on supporting oil and gas extraction.
Meanwhile, China gives their electric car manufacturers a blank check for an decade and poof. Anyone asking how this could happen is quite frankly a dunce. Policy matters, and America just can’t get it’s act together.
The Chinese have three big advantages that, currently, make their dominance of the world wide EV market very likely. First, they make very, very good EVs. They decided to stop trying to make IC cars and leap frogged us. Our auto industry has made half hearted attempts at EVs for fear of damaging higher margin SUV sales. Second, their technical and manufacturing expertise has leveled up considerably and they’re not dragging 100 years of legacy products behind them so they can produce these cars at an excellent price point. China has been catching up to American manufacturing and design expertise for quite a while. Biden made an attempt to reverse that, but it was small and stomped on by Trump. Third, with the entree of Trump w, the US has stopped competing in that market, opening the doors wide to China. Electrification is inevitable. It’s the trend world wide and Trump’s pro-fossil fuel, pro legacy automotive policies are essentially denying that trend, to the detriment of the country.
Welcome to the ascension of China, brought to you by Donald Trump and American legacy automotive complacency.
It isn’t the 10-20k cars that they need to worry about. They prob won’t even pass safety regs. But look at the 25-50k EVs from BYD. They are light years ahead of everything else out there.
Can see for yourself in YT. It’s crazy how good they are. Now, durability and longevity are still unknown for sure. But they’re incredible.
Well, we got the American president trying his hardest to bring back oil consumption and killing electric cars in the process. Meanwhile, other countries are going to leave us in the dust with reliable and affordable EVs.
Make better cars Detroit. I haven’t bought from an American car company in 30 years. My parents gave me their old Chevy once, transmission leaked at 70k miles. My Toyota has 200k miles and all I’ve done is regular maintenance
But the so-called experts aren’t worried about the the tariffs that are destroying our economy or the unhinged government that is attacking its own citizens.
Shame on US industry for abandoning smaller, inexpensive models and failing to understand the desirability of EVs. They’re trying to cram everyone into a 5,000 pound gas guzzler and, honestly, fuck em.