
At the 2025 Energy Business Summit at the University of Southern California Marshall School of Business, billionaire mining entrepreneur Robert Friedland delivered a tour de force dissertation on critical minerals and the raw materials supply chain.
His message was clear and sobering: The world has an insatiable thirst for metals, from surging military budgets to AI data centers and the greening of the global economy, but it does not have a credible way to supply the metals it intends to consume over the next few decades.
The United States is totally dependent on China for almost every critical mineral.
A sampling of the soundbites that I found to be the most insightful and entertaining:
“In this country, people think a ham sandwich comes from a refrigerator. People that are highly educated and live in urban centers, they go to the refrigerator, they open it up, they take the ham sandwich out of the refrigerator. There’s 30 million pigs a month being slaughtered in a river of blood outside Chicago.”
“The price of scandium has no where to go but up.”
Friedland has been pounding the table on scandium recently, including an appearance on Bloomberg. Friedland is Co-Chairman and a non-executive director of Sunrise Energy Metals Ltd., he is also the largest shareholder with a ~19% stake based on the latest reporting. Sunrise’s Syerston Scandium Project in New South Wales, Australia is one of the world’s largest undeveloped scandium resources with 19,000 tonnes of contained scandium metal in resource.
On the daunting scale of copper the world needs to produce over the next two decades:
“You can’t build electric cars and windmills and solar and have a modern military without these metals. So, there’s a reason why underwater power cables are so expensive. That’s what it looks like when you put up a windmill offshore Nantucket Island and you want to bring that electricity and be green**. It’s all copper, copper, copper, copper, copper. Copper right now, we’re expecting that to be a $270 billion a year market by tomorrow morning. And where’s this metal going to come from? There’s no copper inventory at all.”**
“How much copper are we using? We’re consuming 30 million tonnes of copper a year, only 4 million tonnes of which is recycled. That means to maintain 3% GDP growth…..now listen carefully, with no electrification…this is with burning oil and gas. To maintain global 3% GDP growth, we have to mine the same amount of copper in the next 18 years as we mined in the last 10,000 years (combined). In the next 18 years, I’ve got to mine the same amount of copper as we mined the last 10,000 years…without electrification, without data centers, without solar and wind and the greening of the world economy. You people have no idea whatsoever what we’re facing. You’re dreaming.”
On copper, gold, and a ‘failing’ dollar:
“And the energy demand is beyond anything you can possibly imagine. Like, it’s just crazy. And so, we’re coming here from the most basic of industries telling you copper is money. You can build your house out of copper bricks. 10 years from now, you can just tear your house down and buy a fleet of electric Lamborghinis with the profit…because the dollar is failing against copper. The dollar is failing against gold. The dollar is failing against water and food. We face a hyperinflationary era here.”
On solar energy and grid-scale energy storage:
“Solar doesn't work for a mine because the sun only shines five hours a day. Solar is useless unless you have grid-scale storage.”
“As you balkanize what was formerly a just-in-time world economy to a just-in-case world economy, some of these raw materials are going to be of nearly infinite value.”
On AI & drones:
“All this stuff about AI, everything you're hearing, it’s a fantasy because we don't have the energy.”
“We failed to regulate AI, it’s out there…..even Indonesia or Turkey can make a great drone. If a million drones are coming at you, if you can't find a way to shoot them down, some of them going to get through and you die.”
On rare earth metals and escalating competition for raw materials supply chains:
“First of all, rare earths aren’t rare and they’re not earths, they’re relatively common metals. But we lack the processing capability required for most of these metals, and we are entirely dependent on China for most of them.”
“We are going to see a continuing escalating competition for these supply chain issues until we find a way to live with each other. At the moment, the competition continues to intensify and it’s likely to continue to intensify. You will see this in the form of higher and higher raw materials prices when expressed in the United States Dollar.”
The inevitability of the rare earth metals trade
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Stay long…capitalism lives…globalization is dying…regionalism is here to stay.
China and the US will be at war sooner than we think….
Can you post a link to the interview
Wow! This was interesting, indeed!
https://youtu.be/Q5hnwooyKVk?si=l8phVg5VBjArc55Q
“rare earths aren’t rare and they’re not earths, they’re relatively common metals”
Alexa explain this to me
Are you really going to just copy and paste Substack posts here without credit?
https://robertsinn.substack.com/p/billionaire-investor-robert-friedland
Ai slop
dude is dropping some serious truth bombs here. been saying this for years – we’re completely screwed on the supply chain front and most people have zero clue how dependent we are on china for basically everything that matters.
the copper math is absolutely insane when you break it down like that. mining the same amount in 18 years as the last 10k years? and that’s without even going full electric? we’re legitimately living in fantasy land if we think this transition is gonna be smooth.
been running some numbers on my arch setup for mining profitability and even the small scale stuff is getting competitive. might be time to start looking at some of these plays more seriously, especially with military spending ramping up like it is.
omg this is lowkey terrifying.. like we’re all fighting over who gets the last metals on earth while china already has them all??
So calls?
Yeah the mining capacity of the world 9000 years ago is totally relevant to today….
Been digging to find some companies on the NYSE that deal with Scandium and the only ones I can find are Rio Tinto and NioCorp. The logic makes sense. I think NioCorp already has a partnership with Lockheed Martin.
You posted all that shit without a ticker?
https://preview.redd.it/6p9xv4oajerg1.jpeg?width=986&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d2bce0e37bc6bb96241182e27167faf8275e409
It would be nice if all my RE stocks would fucking do something other than immediately tank. I agree with the sentiment, but the market says otherwise.
What kind of psychopath eats a ham sandwich