There's been a lot of articles posted etc – but here's the official word from the ED https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-announces-next-steps-borrowers-enrolled-unlawful-save-plan
In summary, you'll start getting notices from your servicers as soon as the next few days telling you that this is happening. Come July 1 you'll get a notice giving you 90 days to switch. If you don't, they put you on the standard plan. The ten year standard if you haven't' consolidated – the consolidated standard plan if you have – which is longer than ten years.
I want to address a couple of themes i've been seeing in these threads. My comments here are probably going to get me downvoted to oblivion. That's ok – I'm not here for the karma – I'm here to make sure folks understand their loans and make the best decisions for their long term financial well being. Because that's my goal – sometimes I have to say thing folks don't want to hear.
For those saying they aren't going to switch until forced – you might be harming yourself here. You're certainly not punishing anyone that you're trying to make a point to. Here's who, IMO, should be switching ASAP and here's whose probably ok to drag their feet a bit:
Who should switch ASAP:
-If you're pursuing forgiveness under any of the IDR plans – the 20/25 year forgiveness you should switch now. You're just losing months and time towards forgiveness by waiting. And hypothetically, your income is going to go up over time, and therefore so will your payments. On a related note – if your 2024 tax return has a lower AGI than your 2025 will, and you haven't filed taxes yet – you definitely want to do it now.
-those pursuing PSLF. Yes – you can use buy back for SAVE months. But remember – buy backs are taking over a year and more importantly, buy backs are a lump sum payment due right away. So the longer you are on this forbearance – the more months you will have to pay in a lump sum when the time comes. And that might be difficult.
Who can probably hang out for a while:
-Those borrowers who due to other debt that will be paid off soon and want to funnel the student loan payment money to get rid of that other debt.
-those who are aggressively paying off their loans. This is an opportunity to have all of your money go to targeted loans – such as the ones with the highest interest rates – rather than having to satisfy the minimum due on each loan which you will have to do once in active repayment.
The timing of all of this:
-it actually makes sense to me. They appear to be doing almost a soft launch – warning people now that it's coming. But waiting until the new RAP plan is available in July for those that will want to use that plan to actually start the timer. This way folks won't need to switch twice if the RAP turns out to be a better plan for them.
Now for those saying they refuse to switch – listen – I get it. Your angry. I don't blame you – i am too. Your feelings are very valid and i'm not telling you not to feel them. But here's the hard truth of the matter. SAVE was gone regardless – the courts had made it pretty clear when the case started under the prior administration that they were leaning towards the plaintiffs and were going to rule against the plan. It was going to happen regardless of who won the last election. And failing to switch out of principal is not going to hurt them – it's going to hurt you if you end up with a standard payment amount you can't afford. I'm not saying not to resist – but resist productively by voting. And writing your members of Congress to paint a picture of how your new payment amount is affecting you, your family and the broader economy.
For those saying the ED can't change the terms – they didn't. The court ruled the plan was illegal. The ED would be breaking the law if they continued it.
Payment plans have never been challenged before. And there was no reason for it to occur to anyone that this one might be. But yet a bunch of republican AG's did and here we are. In the meantime, people made the best decisions they could with the information they had at the time.
What plan should i pick?
If you are pursuing PSLF or income driven plan forgiveness you need to be on an income driven plan. Scenarios for likely lowest plan:
-No loans ever prior to July 1, 2014 – new IBR
-No loans ever prior to October 1, 2007 but does have loans prior to july 2014 – paye – but note you'll have to get off that come 2028
-loans prior to October 2007 – old IBR
-balance low compared to your income – check out ICR – that could be the lowest for you in that scenario
-RAP – for some rap will be lower. RAP tends to be similar to old IBR for many incomes. But if you have dependents especially, it could be lower. TISLA will have a calculator including the rap in the next week or two. I'll post it when it's available.
Official communication from the ED on the SAVE transition timeline
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Thank you, Betsy. I don’t know what I’d do without your guidance.
I’ve done the loan simulator for pay back and my estimated payment is $0, if I am able to do a buy back with my payment being $0/mo, is that something that is possible? Would my potential buyback amount be $0? I appreciate all of yalls updates on this page, it’s so helpful
Edit to add: I did a simulation for PSLF on PAYE and IBR. I work for the feds 🫠
Will we still be able to apply for PAYE 7/1?
I went on the website and acted like I was going to switch plans because I’ve filed for 2025 and my income went up so I wanted to see my new payment on old IBR. It’s showing higher than standard repayment and standard repayment is about half of what it was the last time I checked. So I think something is broken and I’m not sure anyone should try to switch right away.
I want to restart the clock on forgiveness but I think I’m going to have to wait to see what my payment will be under RAP because I can’t afford IBR.
We can switch back to IBR from RAP when we are nearing our forgiveness timeline and those years will count right? I think I read that in one of your other posts. I also don’t want an extra five years.
Appreciate all your hard work Betsy!!
And before anyone asks……no, a lawsuit will not get anyone out of this situation. For anyone wondering “what will?”, educating yourself on candidates running for office, and voting for different ones than we have currently. New laws can always be passed though not before this is implemented.
I can’t wait to see the default stats over this thanks to MAGA.
I’m surprised you think that people will downvote this. Nothing you said is inaccurate. I’m sure it’s not what people wanted to hear… But it’s real reality. In AA, I learned to accept the things I cannot change, and change the things I can. SAVE ending is the former, and voting blue is the latter.
I was holding out hope that they would wait until after midterms, but I figured that was a long shot anyway.
Also, this is not an official calculator, but I found it on the med school sub, and it seems to be fairly accurate.
https://www.thewhitecoatlothar.io/student-loan-repayment-calculator
And for those all hot about the 2027 and 2028 dates you were seeing for recertification those were *always* placeholders. You will be submitting income info.
Quick question, can I apply for IBR if I have no taxable income. Like, is there a box on the application I can check that says “I don’t have any taxable income” or something?
I switched to SAVE from a standard graduated plan which I guess kicked in my 20 year forgiveness counter so I had only 14 payments left.
That tracker is no longer available. If I truly have 14 left I’ll stay on an IBR. Does anyone have any idea when we can confirm our payments before this kind of forgiveness?
If I won’t get forgiven I’ll switch to a plan where I just pay forever. Over it all.
Dumb question but can I still consolidate my loans without leaving save till it’s time to go back to standard? Also whats rhe payback period for consolidated?
Thank you for explaining this.
Am I missing something or can I just pick whichever plan has the lowest monthly payment and then just continue making additional payments to pay off the loans faster?
I just want a low monthly payment so I can continue to focus on aggressively paying one loan at a time while just paying the monthly interest on the others.
Quoting the link:
“Unlike existing IDR plans, RAP ensures that borrowers who make full, on-time monthly payments will be shielded from runaway interest and are able to make progress toward reducing the principal balance on their loan.”
Does that mean that if someone has a $0 income the payments are $0 and the interest is frozen/waived? Am I reading this correctly?