Intel stock is one of the highest in the latest decade and close to all time high.

    Now I will point into the factors that make Intel overvalued even considering the US investment, Nvidia investment as well as an optimistic Google, Nvidia as well as other marketshare of fabbing chips.

    1) Intel has slimmed down considerably in the last 5 years, it was forced to sell it's RAM, flash storage as well as many other businesses that had a good chunk of marketshare. Currently intel has basically 2 main businesses, the Cpu (consumer and datacenter) and the fab services.

    2) Intel latest node, even if it's using latest ASML litography machines and is cutting edge, still lags behind last gen of TSMC that uses older litography tools.

    The nm and node names or w/e are marketing tactics, if you check the actual density on wikipedia or semi wikis you can see that intel 18A on latest lito ttools is almost 20 % less dense than equivalent TSMC on last gen tools, so unless Intel sells at a very competitive price, there is no particular reason so choose intel over TSMC currently.

    3) It is not easy to switch fabs Intel has been very vertically integrated over the years, and they were struggling to get Fab customers because of needing different tooling to model the CPUs and different waffer sizes, they had to do compatibility tools and whatnot, but TSMC moat is also in the software and processes not only in them having leading edge nodes. TSMC has the CUDA equivalent for Intel

    EDIT 3.5. Intel is currently fabbing some tiles of their older CPU series as well as their ARC GPUs on TSMC as well.

    If Intel 18A is so great, why don't they fab their own shit on it instead? don't tell me Intel will sell their capacity at higher prices than TSMC to justify paying TSMC to fab their shit. Intel 18A is not production ready, these deals are farts, the same way OpenAI did the RAM waffers that can be canceled by either party at any time.

    4) Intel not being a pure player in fabs makes companies reluctant to use them, the same thing happened to Samsung.
    Intel is a competitor for many of the companies that want to fab on their machines, but furthermore companies are also afraid of IP theft. This happened with Samsung before after fabbing Apple stuff magically improving and "borrowing" stuff for their own Cpus.

    5) Intel 18A has bad yield issues. The market reacted positively to Intel saying they will do budget cpus on 18A, but not only are these less profitable, but the reason they are doing this is to hide bad yields.
    By intel own numbers last earnings, Intel 18A won't be production ready for fabs until next year at best

    Now let's talk numbers, and synergy.
    Intel advantage for many years until TSMC and ARM domination was vertical integration, they designed and fabbed their own shit, so they had insane cost effectiveness.

    Now intel wants to become a Fab, and also continue to make chips (unless they split like AMD did)
    This is problematic for various reasons, first of all Fab might not be as lucrative as selling CPUs, but also you are competing on capacity with your clients.

    Also Intel main profit comes from selling CPUS, for consumers and datacenters.

    For consumer it's been grim for a while as the PC market is shrinking as it's being slowly eaten by tablet/phone market.
    Used to be you needed a PC to read your emails or watch youtube or check facebook or w/e your mom did in her 20s, now you can do these things on a phone/tablet.
    Furthermore apple's macbooks are very competitive on price, and with them being very vertically integrated and having preferential prices with suppliers such as TSMC it's very hard to compete.

    On the datacenter the AI demand gave Intel a lifeline, but it's still not looking good because unlike Nvidia there is no CPU moat.
    It's even worse than this, most cloud providers are switching to ARM, and have custom ARM chips, that are more cost-effective than intel, the world is slowly switchin away from x86

    Now back to earnings, I don't expect Intel to deliver, and furthermore their guidance for the year will be bad.

    I expect a roughly 15% crash in the days following earnings.

    Now people will claim what they want about AI and market irrational, but AI is economically on shaky ground now, especially with OpenAI IPO in peril as well as Oracle being in debt and their financial and profitability is questionable.

    No sane fund will yolo on intel.

    Position: 30k Intel 60 Put expiring 18 June : https://i.imgur.com/gPrfrn3.png

    Intel DD: Expecting crash after earnings
    byu/AppleTrees2 instocks



    Posted by AppleTrees2

    8 Comments

    1. microdosingrn on

      Listen bro, this stock ain’t gonna trade in the realities of their ER.  They are on the cusp of announcing major foundry customers, all big tech.  Not to mention terrafab.  This MF may double in value over the next 6mo.

    2. It’s likely $INTC going to sink after the ER this Thursday, but I am bullish for the company in the long term and won’t care the short-term noise.

    3. Tricky_Let2806 on

      Didn’t read.

      Was considering taking some profits on my 300% gain, now I’m confidentially HODL. Intel will be higher 2 years from now even if there’s shorter term fluctuations

    4. Wow you put a lot of effort into writing this very long and very wrong post. Intel has had a great run and could be due a pull back but their underlying position is the best it’s been in years.

      Just to state your assessment on 18a yields and performance is outright wrong the general consensus is yields are at 65-70% now and roughly in line with TSMC N2. Performance wise it’s probably not N2 level but it’s definitely higher than N3P with higher logic density than N3P and equal SRAM density to N2. BSPD will also make it perform better than the density numbers show.

    5. No_Team_6326 on

      This is all we need to know about your DDs…

      On February 12

      *”ret@rds going all in on NBIS*

      *here is why NBIS gonna get rekt:*

      * *All big tech spend capex on AI, but NBIS has to spend as much to build servers to sell to big tech, they don’t sell chips like nvidia, they are still buyers*
      * *NBIS diluted and got indebed before, they are gonna have to do it again*
      * *This market is so competitive, not only you get a new gen Nvidia every 2 years or so, but you also have ASICs in the pipeline of most companies, and even without this, basically the renting older GPUs drops significantly after about 2 years, so they barely break even on their server costs about about 5 years, and then what?*

      *Quote me on this m0r0ns”*

      Yeah, I’m quoting you, m0r0n…

    6. MeanCryptographer585 on

      Everyone is expecting very bad earnings so when they are not as bad as expectations the stock will either go sideways or go up further. In other words OP puts are fucked.

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