Good for long term… imagine getting 5% guaranteed for next 30 years, can’t be me
Such-Ice1325 on
Rate hikes here we come
loulan on
Maybe it’s time to invest in bonds.
Top_Category_2526 on
send rates to 66% for 6 months
Sweaty_Rub4322 on
Don’t worry guys. This is a good sign. Who doesn’t want more returns on their bonds, right?
FoodCooker62 on
Sounds like Micron can go to $1250
Happy-Champion1661 on
5.1%? what is this, a yield for ants? I can make more than that on a bad day on MU!
and inflation isn’t real!
random20190826 on
Well, if an increase in yields is sustained, it will pop the stock market bubble because AI is very capital intensive, funded by borrowed money.
iSoLost on
Is that good or bad?
RedNationn on
We are all getting rich off of AI
zero0n3 on
Oh no!!! Highest in NEARLY A YEAR?!!!!
RalphTheIntrepid on
That’s why Gold dropped today! Thank you!
hvacsnack on
Waiting for 30%. Of course then I’ll be trading ammo for food
BodomDeth on
Uh oh this is bad for stocks right ?
Bizonistic on
Imagining having 10 mil for a free half a mil per year from treasury
daynightcase on
high is good right? so we go higer
Ill-Expression1737 on
ATHs!!!
sup_with_the_whack_ on
high = good, yes?
Spiritual_Bat7343 on
people are joking about this but the actual mechanical issue is that the equity risk premium just went negative.
sp500 forward earnings yield is around 3.6 percent right now at 28 pe. if the 30yr is 5.1 and the 10yr is parked at 4.7, you’re getting paid less to own stocks than risk free bonds. thats been true for a few months but the spread keeps widening.
where it bites hardest is long duration growth. nvda forward pe 35, msft forward pe 32, anything where the cash flows are far out gets repriced when the discount rate moves up. the ai capex feedback loop is also funded heavily by debt, so higher rates hit the capex pipeline directly.
short duration value (energy, financials, some healthcare) holds up better in this regime. memory cycle stuff like mu is somewhere in between because the cycle is near term but the long tail is hbm growth.
doesnt necessarily mean the top is in. equity risk premium has been negative for stretches before (2000, 2007 lead in, brief moments in 2018) and the market can stay there longer than positions stay solvent. but the math is real, the leverage in this market is real, and its a regime worth tracking.
Demonic_Maidens on
Of course I loaded up on TLT yesterday and premarket. I am the absolute worst at trading
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r/ThanksObama
Uh Oh
What inflation
Nice, I’m high right now too
https://preview.redd.it/64lntu38sa1h1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da5979337ca51e3f353b46e2cf578ea0044d1f29
All these numbers are fake anyway just buy calls
Roth on calls. Got it!
Good for long term… imagine getting 5% guaranteed for next 30 years, can’t be me
Rate hikes here we come
Maybe it’s time to invest in bonds.
send rates to 66% for 6 months
Don’t worry guys. This is a good sign. Who doesn’t want more returns on their bonds, right?
Sounds like Micron can go to $1250
5.1%? what is this, a yield for ants? I can make more than that on a bad day on MU!
and inflation isn’t real!
Well, if an increase in yields is sustained, it will pop the stock market bubble because AI is very capital intensive, funded by borrowed money.
Is that good or bad?
We are all getting rich off of AI
Oh no!!! Highest in NEARLY A YEAR?!!!!
That’s why Gold dropped today! Thank you!
Waiting for 30%. Of course then I’ll be trading ammo for food
Uh oh this is bad for stocks right ?
Imagining having 10 mil for a free half a mil per year from treasury
high is good right? so we go higer
ATHs!!!
high = good, yes?
people are joking about this but the actual mechanical issue is that the equity risk premium just went negative.
sp500 forward earnings yield is around 3.6 percent right now at 28 pe. if the 30yr is 5.1 and the 10yr is parked at 4.7, you’re getting paid less to own stocks than risk free bonds. thats been true for a few months but the spread keeps widening.
where it bites hardest is long duration growth. nvda forward pe 35, msft forward pe 32, anything where the cash flows are far out gets repriced when the discount rate moves up. the ai capex feedback loop is also funded heavily by debt, so higher rates hit the capex pipeline directly.
short duration value (energy, financials, some healthcare) holds up better in this regime. memory cycle stuff like mu is somewhere in between because the cycle is near term but the long tail is hbm growth.
doesnt necessarily mean the top is in. equity risk premium has been negative for stretches before (2000, 2007 lead in, brief moments in 2018) and the market can stay there longer than positions stay solvent. but the math is real, the leverage in this market is real, and its a regime worth tracking.
Of course I loaded up on TLT yesterday and premarket. I am the absolute worst at trading
https://preview.redd.it/nw41qg7x2b1h1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ad3d370edf6a217e87613e95dfc69c9603f24ce
And now rates cute please
my grandma always talks about those 30 year yields like it’s a lottery ticket
Who thought I’d end up at Wendy’s trading bonds… aren’t they the sure thing?