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In this video, I continue my investigation into Monero vs. Bitcoin and examine more trade-offs that Monero has made, in order to increase privacy at the base layer.
In particular, I examine how common hard forks are for Monero, especially compared to Bitcoin. Does this imply that the devs have more control than they should in leading the Monero community? Repeated hard forks could certainly hurt Monero’s potential classification as a digital commodity by the SEC.
My own belief is that a protocol that strives to be money should not be changing things at the base layer/protocol level as frequently as Monero does.
If the future of Bitcoin and Monero transactions ends up being off-chain, Bitcoin may have a big advantage thanks to its head start with Layer 2 solutions like the Lightning Network, eCash (Fedimint, Cashu), and statechains.
I conclude by examining some very interesting tweets by Francis Pouliot which examine the greater context of Monero’s privacy by discussing anonymity sets, as well as the liquidity and saleability of XMR compared to BTC.
To understand the context of this discussion, you should first watch these videos, and read Seth’s and Howard Chu’s responses to me:
“ASIC Resistance” Is Just Plain Silly (Bitcoin vs. Monero):
Monero’s Big Fat Problem:
Response from Seth For Privacy:
Responding point by point here:
1) Comparing market cap and blockchain size is asinine and pointless, it just fits your narrative. These are incomparable data points. Monero could easily handle Bitcoin's throughput without any marketcap increase.
— Seth For Privacy (@sethforprivacy) April 21, 2023
Response from Howard Chu (hyc):
First off: I haven't deleted any my replies to you.https://t.co/cPP4zhpgEH
— Howard Chu (@hyc_symas) April 21, 2023
Not investment advice! Consult a financial advisor.
Is Your Crypto Collaborating With Government Spy Coins?:
Consensys working on CBDCs:
https://consensys.net/solutions/payments-and-money/cbdc/
https://consensys.net/blog/quorum/envisioning-a-future-of-central-bank-digital-currencies-for-everyone-everywhere/
Pre-history of BitMonero and Monero:
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/475/monero-inception-and-history-how-did-monero-get-started-what-are-its-origins-a
Monero likes to do a lot of hard forks:
https://decrypt.co/107441/monero-rolls-out-enhanced-privacy-features-with-hard-fork
🧵🔥A major update in the Monero protocol is coming and is called Seraphis & Jamtis and will require a fork and this will roll out in 2024.
— Monero Time (@MoneroTime) January 23, 2023
And, unlike Bitcoin, Monero continues to innovate on its base layer technologies. There's still BulletProofs++ waiting in the wings, which will reduce proof sizes even more than the BulletProofs+ currently in use, and improvements will continue in the future.
— Howard Chu (@hyc_symas) April 21, 2023
Seth’s take on Monero hard forks:
https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/dispelling-monero-fud/#moneros-hard-forks-make-it-centralized
Does Bitcoin privacy require more transactions than Monero privacy?
you're comparing apples to oranges re: tx size or blocksize.
monero provides fungible money.
bitcoin does not. to get (close to) fungible money on bitcoin, you gotta do coinjoins, or tx chaining, etc. which significantly increase the tx size.
— gingeropolous (@gingeropolous1) April 21, 2023
Is Bitcoin Too Slow To Be The World’s Reserve Currency?
A great way to buy Bitcoin in Canada:
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How to annoy a Monero shill:
Wanna piss off a Monero shill?
Point out to them that the future belongs to off-chain transactions, and that XMR’s privacy will be completely useless to most people. And that they’re waaaay behind in second layer development.
— dj (@tommy50107317) April 22, 2023
Francis Pouliot on Bitcoin vs. privacy coins:
Some excellent takes on Liquidity and Saleability as determinents of Privacy, or why privacy shitcoins aren't so private after all pic.twitter.com/oEi8izVCE0
— FRΛNCIS ☣️bullbitcoin.com (@francispouliot_) April 21, 2023
More variations of the same excellent take pic.twitter.com/Zb5jneF7X1
— FRΛNCIS ☣️bullbitcoin.com (@francispouliot_) April 21, 2023
Variations on a theme pic.twitter.com/JdjtcGh8JE
— FRΛNCIS ☣️bullbitcoin.com (@francispouliot_) April 21, 2023
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Great great video! The reason for all these shipcoins is that, they tried to make the next best thing. There is no second best.
Monero as L2 on bitcoin would be sick
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The question I had to answer myself was if I'm going to save my money long term, what's the best option. For me, true decentralization, scarcity, and knowing if I save in Bitcoin, it can't change in the future. I believe other layers on top of Bitcoin will solve privacy issues, if the market dictates it.
Monero is great for dark web and other activities where you want to hide your identity, it's not a competitor to BTC, it just has other use cases
There's no war. Only in your mind.
After what you just said
Monero will innovate itself to be the world reserve currency for the human individual
Crime is not about what you know
Its about what you can prove
In a weed deal, there is no hurt party
No court case at all
Can you be a good xmr dealer yes
Can you be a bad xmr dealer yes
Intelligence will win, it does exist
Hey, why did you say don't use wasabi??
Monero is the only serious project besides bitcoin. It should be number 2 instead of the scam Ethereum.
Bitcoin & Monero is Yin & Yang
Bitcoin Is Weed
Monero is Mushrooms
Keep Stacking Kingz
Nice video, I consider it as a reconciliation between Monero and Bitcoin gang.
I'm about as technical as rubber mallet so appreciate good explainers. Privacy is a fundamental inherent right so for me privacy coins should be as private as physical cash and anything government should open, transparent and Immutable but people should be private.
Pirate chain ARR claims to have the most sophisticated tech with a strong community that talks gibberish I don't understand, I would really appreciate your viewpoint on this project🙏
the worst thing abt monero is riccardo spagni was caught working for interpol and he potentially hid a backdoor in one of the most popular monero wallets which happens to be a web wallet. lots of stupidity wrapped up in a huge package imo not criticizing the whole project but this particular facet of it
I don't see how BTC is better than XMR when the government or exchange can blacklist a BTC (ie taint). Sound money in the base layer should be fungible like cash or gold. Simple
Moreno is the first on the list of coins that government wants to ban. It's associated with black market activity. It's allready near impossible to buy on exchange.
For criticism regarding the initial distribution of Monero, look into the cripple-mine scandal
Another great video. Thanks very much
15:54: the guy he quotes makes Monero’s privacy moot. You get doxed right out of the gate one way or another when you rail from fiat to Monero.
@Matthew >> if you try to evaluate the strengths / weaknesses of monero objectively, i am afraid that this corresponds to the monero community mindset.
not the bitcoin community mindset, which rather disregard critics and censors.
( i appreciate your perspective anyway )
Why you don't recommend Wasabi?
BTW: Can you review iCoin wallet please?
I just don’t understand what this quantum computing threat which you hinted at means for Bitcoin in the future. I heard this elsewhere as well. Can you tell me what does this mean actually?
NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THE GOV. WILL DEFINITELY GONNA ATTACK AND DESTROY…LMAO CAN MONERO SURVIVE A NATION ATTACK…HELL KNOW. LMAO WHERE'S THE CEO…GOV. IS COMIN. JUST KEEP WATCHING LMAO
Do you personally hold any Monero? You seem to have a little soft corner towards it after Bitcoin.
The only well-intentioned shipcoin I know of. But imo, misdirected.
for bandwidth, you have THETA
Enjoyed watching this debate.
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There is no WAR . Your thoughts only monitaze
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