Where to invest in 2024? Here is a 10 asset classes overview.
0:00 Asset Classes
0:15 Stocks
4:17 Bonds
5:45 Gold
9:07 Crypto
10:49 Real Estate
14:18 REITs
14:56 Hedges
17:36 Land
18:07 Commodities
21:24 Emerging
23:03 Alternatives
24:02 Diversification
24:50 Conclusion
Mentioned vids:
Research Platform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmxm5XCbs9A
REITs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-07Qlh-iO0
Spitznagel 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDswgDgcby8
Spitznagel 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovz_9GF9e-A
Sibanye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2L08l-osCg
Lithium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbdt0RYuRkA
FMC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYv2Ek_8Gxw
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Good day fellow investors our annual 10 asset classes overview what will work and what want in 2024 but not just asset classes I want to also try to give a solution to what might be the risk and reward out there so let’s immediately start with stocks and if you want a real
Overview of what will the expected returns be going forward this is the seven-year asset class real return forecast by GMO and unfortunately Ely for US Stocks the situation is not positive at all with an expected long-term return of around minus 10 20% from US Stocks small caps a little
Bit better but still just about positive for real returns now why is this such a bad situation because of the stock market’s valuation if you look at the S&P 500 p ratio now we we are at 26.9 compared to an average historical of around 15 which means that if this
Extremely high p ratio reverts just a little bit to the mean over 2024 or over the next few years that means that you are looking into a decline of 20 30 even 40% just from valuation okay but if you look at the earnings yield it is close
To historical lows close to the peak of the dotom bubble in the 2000s and you know how those returns looked then so 3.82 return overtime is not Stellar because if you add one 2% growth over time you get to Long longterm returns of 5% but first the p ratio needs to adjust
And if we look at the cyclically adjusted p ratio that takes into account 10 years of earnings you can see that only a few times in history we have had such a situation now the last two years.com bubble nifty50 bubble and the 1929 stock market bubble and as you can
See history tells us bubble bubble bubble expecting that results now will be different this time is different is not the way a value in investor invests and perhaps the most significant chart that I’ll show you regarding investing in US Stocks now is the following if you
Look at stocks now and want to buy stocks now you have to understand that you are buying here at alltime highs when just 14 years ago the S&P 500 closed at 683 points in March 2009 followed printing money zero interest rates and now we are at a 7x I hope the
Market doesn’t crash for all the people out there invested in the S&P 500 Pension funds a lot of things hang on the S&P 500 but the risk and reward for investing with small zero real returns projected forward and the big downturn risk is not something that I would say
Is a good investment at this point in time we will discuss a little bit later Emerging Markets International markets are valued cheaper so that might be something to think about more about that into the special Emerging Market situation but perhaps this is the most dangerous thing stocks over the last
Little bit more than a year are up 32% and people think yeah stocks can only go up get sucked in but that was the same two years ago and over two years the the S&P 500 did nothing and keep in mind 2022 was one when it crashed
204% so what is the solution now well we don’t have to look far for a solution going into 2024 and the solution depending on your risk and reward is bonds you might feel it strange that I’m saying that bonds are a good asset class for 2024 but if I’m looking at Treasury is
Shortterm treasuries 4% 5% yield I think that if you don’t like the risk and reward out there bonds are a great way to park money until you find something that fits you better of course there are some unknowns with bonds if interest rates go lower the shortterm bonds will
Have lower yields the long-term bonds will however increasing value so you can make some money there if it doesn’t happen you just hold and get that Bond average return out there of course we cannot predict inflation will inflation go higher interest rates higher lower but from a current perspective bonds
From a risk and reward perspective look good until you find something that has a better risk and reward perspective we could say that bonds are cheap but you need to understand what you are doing and let me know in the comments if you need a deeper dive into bonds of course
When it comes to real returns 5% minus inflation 2.8% but still better than what is negative now let’s discuss gold that many see as a hedge to a portfolio in case the FED loses value in case currencies as they are doing with inflation constantly lose more and more
Value now I have been pretty Aid supporter of investing in gold when I started this YouTube channel 2017 18 even a little bit of 19 and then gold started exploding on the FED reverting there asset purchases and then of course with more money in the system it really
Exploded and Peak somewhere in 2020 a little bit lower and now it is peing again however from a current perspective I find gold a little bit risky now because there is still so much money in the system and I feel that this run up is just okay we don’t have anywhere to
Park our money so let’s put it in Gold therefore I would not feel now the same with gold as I did here because here gold was priced at cost of production for the miners now miners should also be making money but that’s not that straightforward the thing with gold is
First is a nonproducing asset and if you want to hedge something in the current environment with money Printing and everything if there is a liquidity squeeze people might also be selling gold instead of buying gold if really a bad situation happens plus if you really want it to act as a hedge you
Need to have a large part of your portfolio it and gold is a nonproducing asset I cannot know whether gold will be $5,000 in 7 years or $1,000 and therefore it’s too risky to consider it as a hedge to your portfolio you can diversify play a little bit
Around on the volatility but to have any kind of significant impact on your portfolio you need too much of it in your portfolio and given that it is a non-producing asset you actually lower your longterm returns if you go into individual miners those have their own issues taxes this
Or that and therefore I feel that gold is not an asset class anymore it’s more like a gambling situation and therefore want to avoid overtime just maybe if there is a clear opportunity okay this is now too cheap crazy cheap but we are not in that situation now and if you look at
Longterm returns bonds have interest rates so those did good over the last 200 years gold didn’t do much and of course stocks are the best because you own businesses and you get the benefit of increased prices through inflation something that bonds don’t give you and gold should give you but you have these
Run up and then 20 years of nothing run up down run up and I don’t know whether there will be 20 years of nothing or it will continue so too much of a gamble for now speaking of Gamble’s cryptocurrencies I was just looking at the energy consumption index for
Cryptocurrencies and this means simply to me that the friction for transaction is pretty high and therefore this will not be a transactional a currency situation and therefore it’s just gambling and yes Bitcoin prices went up because 51% of Americans in May had bought crypto currency for the first time
Within the last 12 months about 46 million Americans own a share of Bitcoin that they didn’t sell so 22% of the edal population and those numbers are huge so a lot of people are dabbling with it let’s call it gambling with it but if you are thinking as an asset class as
Rocken Miller said first if you want to buy 20 million of Bitcoin you can’t so that’s the first thing so a lot of people playing around with it and same with gold if there is a financial squeeze if those bills are coming if this and that and then the trend is
Negative 46 million Americans selling to get the money out that’s not a trend I want to be in that’s again as a portfolio exposure situation simply too risky on why people are buying it simply the greater fo Theory from the mly fool so uh you are hoping that some other not
Call it investor is willing to pay even more at some point in time so have fun but it’s not an asset class now let’s discuss real estate if we look at median price of houses in the United States those have fallen significantly this is a 20% drop
That I see here if I show you a chart better here so from 479,000 to the current 441 rebounded a little bit in the last quarter but when I look at real estate prices now I see this so a huge increase which means that we are still in bubble territory plus if
I look at interest rates the FED situation interest rates now are 5.43% that is not reflected in real estate prices real estate prices should be much much lower given the current situation in interest rates of course everyone is expecting interest trates to go lower and lower and therefore prices
Are holding so in this situation I would call this a real estate bubble therefore very very risky but there is more if you look at the cost of mortgage it went from 3% or 3 4% when I was screaming on this channel to take a 30 year fixed
Mortgage and many of you did it also here in 2021 but now mortgage costs are staggering at 7% 76 7% which makes a huge difference when it comes to investing and even not fixed situations are very risky because you don’t know what will be future interest rates but
Let me just show you the Staggering cost of a mortgage so let’s take $500,000 mortgage an interest rate of seven and the cost is$ 3,721 per month now just a year ago if we compare things and we put an interest rate of free 2,500 free just compare that 3% and 7%
And and home prices have appreciated by 50% if you want to buy it through a mortgage that is insane very expensive too expensive and therefore highly unlikely that you will find a good real estate deal with a 7% mortgage because when it was 3% that was free money
Taking a 3% 30 year fixed mortgage that was free money from the bank from the government inflation free 3% mortgage free money you got your house for free if you did that in the last from 2014 to 2022 and now the situation is completely different plus interest rates are higher
Real estate prices haven’t adjusted so real estate now is a noo unless you can find some staggering deals in the commercial sector where you know what you’re doing but just for investing like this with retail invest inors no what am I saying in the commercial sector this
Is from our re analysis and cap rates there are around 9% so if you have a million you want to park it at 9% get 990,000 per year to live off that might be interesting but you need to know what you are doing with reads those have
Crashed unlike real estate so those are better from that perspective and not to go now deeply into RS this is the video that we discussed reads the details the interest rates what can go wrong what can go right I’ll put all the links in the videos in the description below so
You can check that if you feel you want more information on a certain asset class so with reads to summarize it depends on what you’re looking for the growth The Leverage The Quality quality is still expensive with dividend yield of 23% but check again that video now if
The markets are risky you might consider consider hedging and hedges given the low volatility are not that expensive thus also interesting for those that might want more protection safety or security of course we discussed Hedges a little bit more in detail with Spitz nagles book and also the latest video on
Spitznagle links in the description below but let’s look at the most simple hedging options out there I’ve looked at the S&P 500 option chain so if I want to be hedged for a year then the cost is 4.5% if I want to buy a contract and
Then be protected if the sap 500 goes down I have to pay around 4.5% of my portfolio and then if the S&P 500 goes down the level of my portfolio stays flat if it goes up after 4.5% that you pay now then you made your uh money
After let’s say with interest 5% there you made your money so if stocks just keep going up which is what usually stocks do right then you make above 5% that is the cost if stocks go down after your 5% cut you are protected on the downside but then you have to see okay
How much protection on the downside do I need if you just need a little bit less protection on the downside and you can sustain a 10% crash you say if it goes up and up and down 10% I don’t care but I want to be protected from 10% and
Below you can buy an option that costs 2.4% of your portfolio and then you are for half the cost protected for 90% of the downside and enjoy more upside you you have to see how this fits you more specific hges I have company that will gain on volatility if there is a crash
In my portfolio but that is a little bit more specific so for simple hedging if you want protection if you have a trust that is invested here or there and in the sap 500 and you want to be sure it stays flat and gives you the remaining
Upside then something like this now is rela relatively cheap when volatility increases options on the S&P 500 cost 10% of the portfolio value now let’s discuss land as an asset class I’ve received this suggestion to look a little bit at land and this is okay oil
Boom Shale oil but also Maui land in Hawaii a little bit up and it is a nonproducing asset with 5% interest rates having something just to hold to park your money and then gain on inflation if you don’t have some specific local knowledge it’s not an
Asset class that I would look into but let’s discuss Commodities what is the Outlook there for 2024 if we look at oil we are now at 72 per barrel so that’s somewhere a mid price but with all the electrification coming in I think that
Oil will be trading at 30 or 40 in the future especially given the recent Investments on high prices however this is now a medium risk medium reward situation so not for me natural gas is also a little bit lower 50% down on the long term but that also indicates how
The world’s politics Etc go okay this might be something to look into maybe in the winter we’ll check if after the winter prices go even low lower coal is 63% down but still high on a historical basis so not something that I would jump in now we already discussed gold silver
The average industrial price is 10 to 15 so uh this of course it can go anywhere but not something that I would jump in we just discussed lithium in a video link again will be in description below that has crashed 82% year over year which makes it interesting but still
There is time given the supply and demand Platinum PGM Metals depending on the automotive industry if there is a recession going forward it will be ugly iron ore is still high copper is still high which means that the situation in China is still great talking about emerging markets that we’ll discuss in a
Second so not something very attractive there and if we look at Industrial Metals zinc still high not enough down Cobalt with lithium going down rodium on autoc catalst significantly down and getting closer to normal prices nickel is still up on an average basis aluminium could be interesting at these
Levels we could say fair level but not under valued and copper Futures are actually doing great so things are okay and the things with commodities is that you better wait for a recession and then look into these especially miners producers lowcost producers which is what I do over time and you can follow
What I do in the link in description below where I’ll also put the automotive businesses that I analyzed live and and perhaps something to buy speaking of Commodities is food these are herbicides insecticides but the crash there has already happened and now as there is inventory the stocking it might return
To normality so accept food FMC also link I’ll try to put it here if I remember for the stock not yet the macro is not yet there for Commodities things are still good there is still demand so uh not a situation that is a good risk
And reward except for some food as we discussed in this video now let’s discuss value Emerging Markets emerging value 7% return 5.4% real returns from just emerging small cap International 5% these are good returns and these returns can make good returns for your portfolio over time not these ones and I’ll just
Without going into the specifics I’ll just show you something so everyone is saying the news and media are bombarding us how China is doing terrible China economic growth is 5% and 4% and that’s likely 4% going forward anyone in Europe the US would kill for 4% going forward
But if we look at the Hong Kong Index P ratio forward p ratio is below nine so 8 point something and compare that to the 26 or 22 forward but just those earnings this is the discrepancy between Asia growing billi people etc etc and uh I
Don’t know what to add here you can look at ETFs everything is cheap out there you can check my research platform for more specific stocks to see what I do and uh that’s about it see how it fits you and then you will see if you don’t feel comfortable with Asia with unknowns
With this or that simply as we discussed earlier go back to bonds it’s that that easy you don’t have to invest your money nobody’s putting a gun to your head speaking of guns smoking guns Alternatives we have seen nfts crashing we discussed something that was cool in
22 art but that has also generated just a little bit more than half of the sales compared to 2022 so these are nonproductive assets and not something that I would would be very interested in you can park but usually these things don’t really lead to Great returns all
Those businesses that were touting art last year are probably now half bankrupt we have then private Equity but that has cooled a little bit of and you have to see whether the opportunities are still there the Boom in private Equity when Pension funds started investing there spending your money like there is no
Tomorrow but with a recession if there is a recession private Equity will be even lower so we have already discussed a few asset classes now when it comes to diversification somebody’s saying you should be in all asset classes and that will give you a good return over time
Well I think that now if you’re focusing on re diversification you can diversify by putting the dividence into bonds emerging value or into Hedges and then next year 2025 we will find something else to diversify and then over the long term you have a pretty well Diversified portfolio based on good Returns on
Invested Capital everything else doesn’t give good risk and reward now so diversifying just for the sake of diversification especially at this moment in time is extremely dangerous so when it comes to investing conclusion I think that the key factor here now is the Fed if they lose control it will be
Very very ugly for a lot of things that cannot sustain shocks we can have high inflation going forward or even higher rates depending on what the FED decides likely because higher interest rates cannot be tolerated by governments or companies with huge debts we’re in the greatest debt bubble of all times likely
At some point in time they will have to let inflation loose which then thrashes long-term bonds so that’s also a risk there with bonds but maybe they will not trash it just yet so for parking and then if they start trashing it you buy stocks quickly because stocks should
Then also go lower so you do the opposite of what others are doing everyone thinks there are no issues but first issue is that the rewards are little small over time because everything is so pricey and if things start turning for the worst there risks are huge not worth the reward the
Solution Emerging Markets are cheap of course those can get even cheaper but that is investing if you don’t want to see your money go lower don’t invest spend it enjoy life and that’s it congratulation for reaching this point in the video although bonds Hedges so those are the interesting risk and
Reward situation if you want more check what I do thanks for watching subscribe also for more and I’ll see you in the next video
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Sven, maybe the focus should be on silver rather than gold , in terms of precious metals as an asset class. Silver is probably grossly undervalued now when compared to gold
Grazie.
Thanks Sven for a great video! I’ve read that one could say that if the yield drops with 1% and you’re owning a 30Y duration bond you should expect an appreciation of 30%? Is that correct?
A deeper dive into bonds would be good. I think that is very important to understand.
Investors should be willing to take risks with their exposure when considering new investments, particularly during periods of inflation. It is advisable to seek guidance from a professional or trusted advisor in order to navigate this recession and achieve potential high yields
SP500 is not the whole market. Even if it was, I am looking at +19.75% on my VOO position for the year.
The video assumes you’re lump-summing your future into a single yolo stock and call it a day. In reality you’d most probably DCA your million throughout a decade if not during a longer period.
DCA into great companies at good prices and do sports.
Yes. Deeper dive into bonds or bond ETFs please.
Thanks so much Sven
Last time I was lulled into hopping heavy into a market bubble was the Tech Bubble bursting and I lost 90% of my money. I may have lost a ton of gains, but I haven't felt safe hopping into this market since the COVID crash and bull market and the undulations since then. I hate this type of market. Too much room to get badly burned like the Tech Bubble run up. This is an unstable, insanely valued market.
I own a company that will benefit from volatility… my guess is Flow Traders. Interesting one for sure.
Why bonds over high yield savings accounts yielding 5%?
Should I rent or buy a house right now?
I dont know anything about bonds, i started to invest in 2012. Never ever bond was considered. Maybe it's time now
26 minutes of extreme value. Great job.
The speaker discusses the 2024 outlook for various asset classes, considering risk and reward.
Stocks: US stocks are expected to have a negative long-term return, particularly due to high valuations. The speaker emphasizes the potential for a significant decline in stock prices.
Bonds: Bonds, particularly short-term treasuries with a 4-5% yield, are considered a good option for parking money and managing risk in the current environment.
Gold: The speaker expresses caution regarding gold, considering it a risky asset and highlighting potential downsides, especially as a hedge.
Cryptocurrencies: Cryptocurrencies are viewed as a form of gambling, and the speaker suggests that the current interest is driven by the greater fool theory.
Real Estate: Real estate is seen as a bubble, especially in residential housing, with prices remaining high despite increased interest rates. Commercial real estate, particularly in REITs, may offer more reasonable opportunities.
Commodities: The speaker suggests waiting for a recession before considering investments in commodities, especially in mining and production.
Emerging Markets: Emerging markets, particularly in Asia, are considered attractive with low valuations and growth potential. The Hong Kong Index is highlighted as having a low forward P/E ratio.
Diversification: Diversification is recommended, but the speaker advises against diversifying into overpriced asset classes solely for the sake of diversification.
Fed Influence: The Federal Reserve's actions are seen as a key factor influencing the market, with potential impacts on inflation, interest rates, and various asset classes.
Conclusion: The speaker emphasizes the importance of monitoring the actions of the Federal Reserve and adjusting investment strategies accordingly. The key is to understand the risk and reward of each asset class and make informed decisions based on the market conditions.
Need deeper details in bonds
Gmo? The asset management that was able to predict 9 out of the last two bubbles? You should question why gmo is long American stocks every time they call for a reversion to the mean.
Very interesting, thanks for a rundown of different options.
What do you think about other debt classes besides treasury bonds? Corporate bonds, high yield corporates, emerging market bonds, emerging sovereign debt, and distressed bonds?
the same ideas you said about crypto can be applied to stocks. Prove me wrong!
Great Video! I'm sure many of us would be interested to gain a better understand of what you are looking for in commodities. Suggest a detailed video about your investment process (not specific to a single commodity, but covering the broader process).
Keep up the good work.
I’d love a deep dive into bonds. It probably won’t gather loads of views. Add some fire and a shocked face in the thumbnail. 😂
Stocks extended their year-to-date rally following the CPI report, with the S&P 500 last up 0.8% in afternoon trading. but I don't know if stocks will quickly rebound, continue to pull back or move sideways for a few weeks, or if conditions will rapidly deteriorate.I am under pressure to grow my reserve of $250k.
I'm looking to give stocks another shot after staying on the sidelines since the pandemic. I have $5 million from the sale of some fo my Bel-Air properties and i am thinking about doing a 70/30 stocks and bond ratio. What are your thoughts?
Hey Sven, aren’t corporate bonds better? High yield more diversified aswell
Hi Sven, Thanks again for sharing these practical information. A question, I started investing for already 5 years, like many people i started investing on what the other put their money in, then I found your channel and i've really started to understand what investing is about. I don't have a finance background, but I started to like investing more and more, now I'm reading the books that you recommended. Now I wonder what is your opinion about studying for a certification, like the CFA, not too much for the idea to work for an investing firm, but with the idea of acquiring knowledge in order to be a better investor. Thanks for sharing your opinion about it! Merry Christmas!
Thx for the great content. This video really helped me
Would value a deeper dive into bonds. Looking at the csh2 etf to take advantage of the gbp overnight rate.
Hi Sven! On the overvaluation of stocks, there was a statement from Warren himself from 20 years ago (starting from approximately 03:00): https://youtu.be/wSIXEXIFWgY?si=pCMApa-EE9-InkKF
I am not a professional investor but for what it is worth, here are my thoughts: I have been investing for only about three years now and recently sold off all S&P500 ETF holdings in my portfolio at some 25% gain – why? The S&P500 have been plateauing at the 80 USD mark and for all I know, swings like those in the last odd year will continue for the upcoming months. The markets are crazy and a lot of other factors such as geopolitical ones (Ruzzia´s war, the threat of an annexation of Taiwan, etc.) just make so many stocks so damn risky these days. And we haven´t even seen a proper recession yet after all the turmoil with covid and what not. There will be better times to buy and for as silly as it may sound: I got a feeling that sufficient dry powder will come in handy soon. Better be prepared, at least for a major correction.
So also thanks to you, Sven, for helping us rookies to get an idea of what alternatives are – the bonds sound very interesting. I would also like to hear more!
Great video
Is it worthwhile to invest in oil&nat gas producers at all, going forward? Even without the recent increase in supply (US shale, permian basin), it seems that the secular trend is less demand. The natural gas demand will be lower long term with the warmer climate everywhere (but especially europe and US). And Oil also seems to be going down, recent OPEC cuts doing nothing. Gasoline demand is going lower each year. What would be the smartest investment going forward? Businesses that are downstream from oil producers, like chemical, who would profit from cheaper inputs?
What do you consider a good emerging market nowadays? China has huge risk that when a conflict starts the foreign equity holders will get wiped out one way or another. I like China otherwise at these prices. India stock market has quite high P/E.
Great video Sven, this is really valuable content!
Sven where do you find the commodity price changes yoy? would like to track that, thanks!
Hi Sven… bought China few days ago motivated by your Kraneshares vid.
Then it went down further 3,5% on Friday and I coulnd't help myself but to buy more.
Now my portfolio is 25% Ishares MSCI China etf. Omg! 🙂
May have jumped the gun but… surely China is close to bottom right now. Say yes.
I don't think this is accrate as the federal government proceeds to print and obscene about of money.