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Several recent discoveries of naturally occurring hydrogen reservoirs underground (the so-called “white hydrogen”) have prompted the whole world to start searching for more of the stuff. Even though this seems like a gamechanger for the hydrogen economy, I am still sceptical of its viability economically, energetically, and environmentally.

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I’ve been very critical of the so-called  hydrogen economy. But I’ve recently   reconsidered my position because of an  interesting development. A few months ago,   Scientists drilled a hole in southern France  to measure methane levels but instead they   found hydrogen. Indeed, the French might  be sitting on top of one of the biggest  

Naturally occurring hydrogen reservoirs in  the world. And it might not be the only one.   There are now startups all over the world  searching for the stuff. Let’s have a look. This video comes with a quiz that  lets you check how much you remember.

Hydrogen burns cleanly with oxygen to water  while creating energy. That makes it sound like   the ideal fuel. But there are a few problems. At  atmospheric pressure and room temperature hydrogen   is a gas, and to handle it you need to either cool  or, more commonly put it under pressure . Hydrogen  

Is also generally nasty to deal with. It’s  such a small atom that it creeps into any   other material and degrades it rapidly, a  problem known as “hydrogen embrittlement”. But hydrogen is used in the chemical  industry for all kinds of purposes,  

Exactly because it reacts so readily. At the  moment it’s predominantly produced from methane,   also known as natural gas. The reason  isn’t hard to see, if you have a look   at the chemical formula for methane,  that’s C H 4, which is a lot of h’s there. 

You will also notice that methane has that  C in there, so what happens with that? Well   to get hydrogen out of the methane, one uses  a process known as steam reforming. In which one combines the methane with water which   produces hydrogen plus, wait for it,  

Carbon dioxide. Yes, so if you produce hydrogen  from methane that leaves behind carbon dioxide. Now the fans of hydrogen say that you can produce  the hydrogen from water with renewable energy and   also use it for energy storage. And yes that’s a  nice idea in principle but in practice there are  

Only a few tiny test facilities for that and using  hydrogen to store energy is extremely inefficient. You can make hydrogen from biogas, that’s methane  produced basically by letting agricultural waste   rot away. Bio-gas production exists, and it does  work, but it has the rather obvious limitation  

That you need land to grow all the bio-stuff that  you let rot away. And if you crunch the numbers,   bio-gas will realistically not supply enough  hydrogen to power all transport vehicles. And that’s why I think the so-called  hydrogen economy is somewhat of a joke,  

Because it will end up basically  being natural gas. But. Geologists have known for quite some time  that there are hydrogen reservoirs in   Earth’s crust. This in and of itself is  somewhat surprising because, as I said,   hydrogen is a very small molecule. You expect  it to escape. Even if it doesn’t escape,  

It likes to react with something that contains  carbon, and then you get the carbon problem back.   It turns out though that hydrogen doesn’t really  care what geologists think it should be doing. There’ve been a few reports going back to over a  century of hydrogen bubbling out of the ground,  

Sometimes leading to accidental explosions.  A particularly remarkable case is a borehole   in Mali that was shut down in 1987 because  the gas coming out of it tended to explode.   It wasn’t until 2012 that someone figured out it  was almost pure hydrogen gas and made a business  

Out of this. But more often hydrogen is a small  fraction of gases that escape from the ground.  Estimate say that the new hydrogen deposit  which they found in Southern France contains   between 46 million and 260 million metric  tons of hydrogen. This is roughly comparable  

To how much the world produces in one year,  which is 96 million metric tons. That would   mean it’s basically one year without the  greenhouse gas emissions coming from the   usual hydrogen production. Not bad, but not  a game changer in and of itself. The game  

Changer is that there could be more,  much more. And it might be renewable. Just how these hydrogen deposits  come into being is somewhat unclear,   so no one really knows how many there are.  But the leading theory is that the hydrogen  

Is produced when hot water underground reacts  with hot iron rich minerals like forsterite   and other olivine stones. The oxygen in water  bonds to iron, freeing up clean hydrogen atoms   which rise and get stuck in porous rocks much  like methane. Depending on what the geological  

Layers are above the production site, the  hydrogen doesn’t necessarily escape to   the earth’s surface. But if you drill into  the rocks, the hydrogen escapes et voila. If that theory was correct, this would  be very exciting because it’d means that   these hydrogen reservoirs can replenish  if more water runs over the hot rocks.  

They’re basically geothermal wells in  which the hot rocks produce hydrogen.  The US Geological Survey, has estimated in  a 2022 report, that there could be tens of   billions of tons naturally occurring hydrogen  cached globally. If only 1% of this could be  

Extracted that could cover 10 % of the world’s  energy needs. This is why in the past years,   hydrogen mining startups have sprung up  everywhere, such as the Denver based companies   Koloma and Natural Hydrogen Energy, the Spanish  company Helios Aragón, the British company H2Au,  

And the French Francaise de l’Energie. And all that sounds very good, and I will   admit it does make the entire hydrogen  economy thing sound much more plausible. Yet, I’m still kinda sceptical. As we have seen  in our earlier episode on geothermal energy,  

If you dig into the ground all kinds of  gasses can come out, including methane,   carbon dioxide, and nasty sulfuric stuff.  This makes me think it’ll be very rare they   get almost pure hydrogen, more likely they’ll  have to separate it from the carbon-containing  

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43 Comments

  1. Always these pessimistic views. There's not only steam reforming, hydrogen can also be separated from carbon by pyrolysis. With pyrolysis, "waste" isn't CO2, but pure carbon.

    Also, the fact that there are few electrolysis factories for hydrogen today doesn't mean it'll be the same in 5 years. Excess electricity only starts to appear, it'll be much more in the coming years. Electrolysis is well known and with ~80% pretty efficient. These nuclear plants you always promote don't exist either, after all. Dealing with climate crisis means changing things, a quite positive process.

  2. This may be a dumb question but if hydrogen can be naturally produced by hot water and iron rich layers underground, why can’t this be reproduced on the surface artificially?
    I’m going to assume the answer is actually “cost, it’s expensive” rather than something specific restricting it.

  3. What will happen to the earth (the earths crust and temp) and eco system? I don't mean this as a tree hugger. I am just curious. I mean H binds with everything. It has to have a reaction.

  4. Why Crimea is marked as russia on your map? Don't you know that it's Ukraine? Don't you know that Germany recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders? Don't you know that Germany is one of the many civilized countries that help Ukraine stand against russian agression?

  5. The most promising part here for me seem to be the (common)rock+heat= hydrolyse.
    If we could produce way cheaper hydrolyse device that can work on heat it would be a/the game changer.
    Heat waste wouldn't be wasted anymore and that represent a colossal amount of energy, that could be readily send back into the system depending on case.
    If it is compact enougth it could use the heat waste of a car to produce hydrogen from water in tank or atmo and send it in the combustion cycle, witch "bypass" the need for storage for exemple.
    Possibilities are mind bogeling.

  6. Brilliant, as usual. However, I have a request – please do variations in clothing and color. No need to go beyond 5 outfits, but now I'm getting an awkward vibe . And NO, this is not me representing "the patriarchy" or similar BS. I'm just distracted from the message. In the same way I would be if a male presenter was sporting only one T-shirt.

  7. Hydrogen is not a good idea because it's a powerful greenhouse gas and it damages the ozone layer. Leaks of 5 % – about what is realistic – make the whole hydrogen economy thing not rly viable.

  8. Hydrogen is the worst possible fuel for any application, and is useless as a fuel inside the Earth's atmosphere.
    Only fools imagine it is possible to create a Hydrogen economy – even if Hydrogen were free.
    And Hydrogen is most certainly not free, nor will it ever be.
    The deck is stacked against Hydrogen, as it is incredibly dangerous, and extremely expensive to store and transport.
    Saying Hydrogen is "quite volatile" is like saying nuclear weapons "produce some heat".

  9. Hydrogen is a horrible way to store energy. It leaks through all materials and in the process damages them. It has horrible energy density by volume unless it is compressed to absurd pressures like 15,000 PSI, which requires expensive carbon fiber pressure vessels which can become bombs in a collision. And it burns with an invisible flame.

  10. When concrete 'cures' the water gives up oxygen to form the cement, out gassing hydrogen. So seems almost obvious that this is also occurring deep underground. There's a lot of oxygen in many minerals. If it was as common as these reports suggest (hope) shouldn't this would've been noticed before now? or that curing concrete might pose a fire or explosion hazard?

  11. Any carbohydrates associated with this hydrogen is most likely formed in the same process, hydrogen reacting with carbondioxide to form methane (and other carbohydrates) and water (the reverse reaction of steam reforming). So, these hydrocarbons are just as renewable as the associated hydrogen. As long as we find ways to sequester the carbondioxide, we can continue to use hydrocarbons forever.

  12. The 60ghz frequency breaks hydrogen from oxygen.

    All we need to store is water as this method requires a lot less energy than is stored in HHO and is cleaner than electrolysis or chemical reactions.

    I believe that compressing laser light can also ignite water.

  13. Well, consider a dam adjustible tunnel system along the Bering sea. I calculated the displacement of a two square mile area in terms of Knetic energy to be 288 trillion pounds per year. This is low tech. Figure super condensation in a closed system unified and hauled to the Majove (to improve Kramer Junction) and that's another fairly low tech approach. Figure a way to contain hydrogen and make metallic hydrogen in bulk, using magnatism, which would, if not besting Tesla, it would be on par with his best..

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