Taking Control of Your Life through Carnivory with Brett Ender (WIM461)
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is money show thanks for having me
brother I appreciate you the studio is
amazing house is great love South
Florida so it couldn’t be better it’s so
good to have you here
um when’s the last time we saw each
other was it at White Oak it was um we
had you on so we’ve had you on the meat
Mafia podcast our show twice so I think
it was the second time which was I think
that was December of 2022 was the last
time I saw you in person yeah which was
that was at White Oak that was um that
was in Bitcoin Park oh Bitcoin park
that’s right okay yeah I think we saw we
were both at that the beef initiative
conference at White Oak like September
of that year yeah and then I saw you a
few months later right right yeah so I
remember cuz you were talking about the
last time I was on your show it’s when I
had just moved to Nashville I think I I
just arrived literally a few days and
had shared some of my story on your
podcast the meet Mafia podcast and it
was so cool because then uh a doctor
that listens to your show reached out
about something I had shared and she
recommended a piece of equipment to me
and that piece of equipment is what I
use to meditate every morning and it
helps me deal with my autoimmune
condition and just one of those cool
things about social media how you start
to share certain things about yourself
and you find people in the community
that are willing to help you definitely
yeah there’s almost like two parts to
that like part one was you being
vulnerable and opening to admitting the
thing that you were struggling with and
then the second part is like I’m always
just continually amazed who is listening
to the show that you might not know
about and so that woman was like our
mutual friend Dr Mary care she’s a board
certified MD and functional medical
specialist at of Dallas Texas and she
was like Hey I I noticed that Robert was
experiencing this with his autoimmunity
recommend him to buy this I’ll talk to
him and it’s like just making that
connection you feel way better like
that’s the power of the internet if you
use it the right way it’s incredible and
she’s become like a friend now like I
text with her about things and ask her
questions about stuff that’s going on
she’s always been super helpful and very
friendly so yeah it’s um and how so tell
me then how you because we’re talking
about this a little bit offline but you
used to be in a more traditional work in
environment I guess the traditional
corporate ladder mhm but you decided to
go on onto the entrepreneurial path and
start the meet Mafia podcast and a few
other things you’re working on so where
where did the fork in the road occur for
you and what what gave you the the balls
to to take the path L taken yeah it’s a
it’s a great question and again I feel
like you have moments where you moments
like this where you kind of appreciate
the journey that you’ve been on I said
to you off camera you know I’ve been a
fan of your work for probably four years
I listen to your podcast for the first
time in March or April of 2020 and now
even just us being friends and you being
willing to interview me I think it’s a
cool Testament to what you can build out
in a few years when you really follow
the mission that God has on your life
but for me there was always this kind of
like underlying theme of health and
nutrition that I was passionate about
and it really for me stemmed out of a
time of Crisis so I went to a small
school up in Boston called bson College
it was an entrepreneurial school so
where I met Harry who I co-host the meat
Mafia podcast with and going into my
senior year of college I started
noticing that I didn’t feel as healthy
as I should which was surprising to me
because I was a high level baseball
player so probably similar to you when
you were younger it was just like
calories in calories out right
everything I’m doing is under the lens
of I’m an athlete therefore I’m healthy
so a lot of alcohol a lot of stress
playing a you know a highly competitive
sport a ton of processed food I couldn’t
cook anything
and the summer of 2016 I was working an
internship at a financial services
company in New York City and so I would
commute from my parents house in New
Jersey into New York City and I was
noticing on that 2-hour commute my
urgency to go to the bathroom was like
getting more and more severe and I was
21 so right as a 21-year old guy you’re
not going to tell anyone about that and
you’re stupid you’re young you’re you
think you’re you’re Invincible you’re
like I’m it’ll just correct on its own
yeah well for me it didn’t and the
symptoms continue to get worse worse the
entire summer so Flash Forward this
started in June by August I was
literally [ __ ] blood 20 plus times a
day jeez I had lost 30 PBS the last day
of my internship I got rushed to the
hospital got a colonoscopy and then
immediately got diagnosed with
ulcerative colitis and so for anyone
that doesn’t know what ulcerative
colitis is it’s a form of irritable
bowel disease um it’s basically severe
inflammation in your large intestine
which is your colon Crohn’s is very
similar that’s your small intestine but
kind of similar there are some
differences but there are a lot of
similarities and the thing with these
autoimmune diseases that have really
exploded over the last 50 years which
I’m sure we’ll dig into today is that
they tell you that the diseases are
incurable so they immediately get you on
a cocktail of medication steroids
biologic drugs Etc because there’s a
fear that you will eventually go back
into a flare up so you have to be on the
drugs for the rest of your life um I got
put on a ton of Penzone I got put on
three different medications outside of
that and the big one being Remicade the
medical term for Remicade is infliximab
and it’s a biologic drug it’s it’s an
immunosuppressant and the cost of that
drug per year is
$150,000 I was on that drug for 5 years
so you see what I cost the medical
system let alone the millions of other
people that are on Remicade which there
are millions of people on these drugs
right and so I just kind of accepted the
diagnosis that my doctor had given me um
the other interesting thing about my
diagnosis is that my doctor told me that
it was not diet and lifestyle related he
told me that I had a pre uh basically a
genetic predisposition to getting UC MH
and so no matter what I did this outcome
was essentially in inevitable let alone
you and I just talking about all the
things that I was doing in college that
I know were the root cause of why I got
sick yeah and then my my life really
changed in 2019 where I was I was
working a tech sales job in New York
City and um I was listening to Joe
Rogan’s podcast and I listened to a
podcast that dran Baker had gone on
who’s call him basically the Godfather
of the carnivore movement actually he’s
coming here this week too that’s guy
that’ll be a good test to see who’s
bigger you or Sean he might have you by
like a little bigger than he’s a moose
he’s a great bitcoiner too amazing guy
by the way but um so he on this podcast
his theory was that number one animal
products are wrongly demonized they’re
actually the most nutritious foods that
you can be eating and they’re also the
most bioavailable which means your body
can actually absorb them it’s good for
your gut health and the kicker for me me
was that he was saying on this podcast
that there were thousands of people that
he was seeing that had incurable
autoimmune diseases similar to IBD that
were getting off their medication as a
result of this diet and so for me when
I’m 24 I don’t want to be relying on
getting this ridiculous drug literally
injected via blood infusion every eight
weeks wow right at that point you know
my Hope was I felt good but I just had
very low hope that I was going to get
off this drug and here’s someone that’s
actually encouraging me and telling me
something different than what my doctors
are telling me and I just kind of had
this light bulb moment where I flipped
the switch and I said why not try and
heal there’s really no there’s no worse
outcome than what I’ve experienced
before and I was living on 57th Street
on the upper east side of the city there
was a Whole Foods two streets away and I
remember going to that Whole Foods
buying ribey ground beef chicken beef
Tallow butter bone broth good quality
spring water and a little bit of black
coffee so I wasn’t 100% carnivore
because I still drank coffee MH and I
just cooked all my meals and I did
exactly what he told me to do and I’m
not kidding literally within a week my
stomach already felt way better like I
was probably going to the bathroom four
to five times a day I got down to 1 to
two which for me was life-changing cuz
when you’re in a flare up like your life
becomes revolved around where’s the
closest toilet like I went on a date
with a girl when I was 21 and I think I
went to the bathroom 4 times and she
thought I was like doing cocaine cuz I’m
going to the bathroom that much you know
what I mean ter um but so immediately I
saw saw the effects of that so this
Burning inflammation the sensation went
away bowel movements were way better my
skin got better I was like popping out
of bed with like this vim and energy and
like tenacity for life and you know when
you don’t have that feeling and when you
gain that feeling back especially as a
man it’s so lifechanging oh yeah and
then I just went deeper and deeper down
the rabbit hole man and just like
started learning about regenerative
agriculture and sourcing my food and
connecting with local farmers and deep
diving what went wrong with the food
system some and you know Flash Forward a
few years this was
2021 I got another colonoscopy because
when you have ulcerative colitis you
have a increased risk of getting colon
cancer so they kind of have to go under
the hood and just make sure your
inflammatory markers are really good so
doctor goes goes in there not only did I
have zero inflammation in my gut I had
zero microinflammation wow so he didn’t
tell me this but that’s the definition
of being medically cured and he got me
off of all the drugs and medication that
I was on which it literally never
happens long was that period that was
about 2 years of very strict carnivore
eating and tinkering and experimentation
that incredible did you get up did you
get give up coffee too in that period so
I never fully gave it up but I was
drinking like high quality organic and
mold-free coffee yeah I don’t know if
you’ve noticed this with some of your
gut issues but like when I drink a
higher quality espresso my stomach feels
good but I know certain people like they
just have they’re they’re so severe they
have to just give it up I just fully
give it up cu was having um and it was
Paul saladino that got me to give it up
i’ had given up so many things I’d been
eating just beef and salt for a long
period of time but I had I couldn’t quit
coffee coffee was like it’s my
everything you know it’s what got me to
work got me out of bed the whole thing
and so he finally was just like look
dude you’re drinking hot Bean Juice
every day your gut’s just not going to
heal until you cut the coffee I wasn’t
is actually I was drinking cold brew but
he was saying you know this is very
aggravating to the gut there’s no like
you can do all the other things you’re
just eating beef and salt you’ve
eliminated everything but if you don’t
cut the coffee you’re not going to get
the results so finally I cut coffee that
was the hardest thing ever by the way it
was like week one I was exhausted week
two um I was sad felt like I like lost a
friend or something emotionally like
upset actually and then week three you
started to come back online like you
have really good energy um but that and
now I just do green tea I so I’ve never
gone back to coffee like I I miss it in
a way mhm I miss the taste I miss the
ritual but I feel much better without it
like I actually have much higher energy
without it yes um so you then
you stuck to the carnivore diet for two
years but you never gave up coffee and
you were still able to heal and I I was
still able to heal wow and some people
are so severe autoimmune and in your use
case you just had to give it up I was
for I mean I wasn’t overdoing it I was
probably drinking like two cups a day
and some days I would go go without it
but I would say the Maj 90% of the days
I was still drinking it but for me for
whatever reason I just needed to I
needed to just reincorporate a lot of
these nutrients and that for me with the
inflammation was still enough to like
mitigate that inflammation and be able
to get off a lot of these drugs and
medications that I was taking yeah how
did you deal with so the one of the most
difficult things for me my journey is
quite a bit different actually I
discovered Bitcoin first and through
Bitcoin discovered
carnivory and I by this point I had
already tried veganism and a lot of
other things and I knew enough that keto
worked for me MH but when I and I guess
I heard it initially from saine who also
relies on the work of people like sha
Baker Paul saladino Etc um to talk about
these crazy people that just eat red
meat
exclusively and you know the first thing
you think when you hear that after being
brainwashed by American um quote unquote
science it’s like oh you’re going to
have a heart attack in two weeks you
can’t eat that much red meat but when I
got that permission basically like oh no
you can eat meat and you won’t die then
I I started to really lean into it and
that’s when I started to heal uh my mine
issues weren’t as severe as yours mine
was
more you know I had I had diagnosed with
lyan planus autoimmune but that was just
a cosmetic issue didn’t really cause me
any issues um physiologically but I had
like inflammation my lower right
abdominal quadrant
and that was causing me to have like
skin issues joint pain irritability all
of these things and it would be
triggered by food M like if it would
flare up then I would feel like [ __ ] my
joints would hurt Etc and then when I
would eat the right things which was
basically no carbs it would go down and
so I started doing all of that so it’s
like Bitcoin carnivory then I started
healing the gut um you took the a
different path it sounds like you
discovered carniv
first started to heal yourself and then
how where did you go from there was it
podcast then Bitcoin or was it Bitcoin
then podcast like how did you what was
the the sequence that’s a good question
I remember when you came on the show for
the second time the moment that I always
remember as you said beef is Bitcoin and
Bitcoin is beef which I think is the
Perfect Analogy and I am a little bit
backwards to the most of the Bitcoin
Community where it seems like most
people follow your pattern of Bitcoin
than carnivory where I was carnivory
than Bitcoin I was fortunate because you
know I have a great business partner and
co-host and Harry he was big into the
Bitcoin space and one of the things that
I noticed is when I finally decided to
make that jump when I was working my
corporate job and just I finally had
that moment of like I just want to help
other people heal and just share some of
my learnings around the food system very
similar to you with your learnings
around currency and what is money the
people that gravitated towards my stuff
the most from the first post that I ever
made was the Bitcoin community and I was
like that’s very interesting what does
that say about them as people that
they’re they’re truth Seekers that was
what I that kept coming back in my mind
and then getting to connect with the
safe ad deans of the world you being in
Austin and getting to connect with
people like Parker Lewis and will Cole
and a lot of these Bitcoin ogs that
really made me have that light bulb
moment around what I thought currency
was and I would even liken I would say
the the analogy is like if you’re
selling your 401k to throw all that
money into Bitcoin that’s almost the
equivalent of what people would say like
giving up process foods and vegetables
for a carnivore diet CU it gets a very
similar reaction yes but it’s like the
source of truth of what you should be
doing yes yeah for sure um Fiat food is
a term that gets thrown around a lot but
there does seem to be this connection
and you know there’s a lot of different
ways to look at it
but so the government very heavily
subsidizes the corn and sugar Industries
for instance so you know a subsidy is
you know the state is stealing
purchasing power from people via
Taxation and inflation and then it’s
redirecting some of that purchasing
power into certain favored
Industries and so it’s no surprise that
basically everything on the shelves has
corn syrup in it sugar in it Etc so
there is this connection right it’s like
well you you have a a system that’s when
we say Fiat basically means like by
decree right do this because I said so
or there will be
consequences when you have a system
based on that that you get these very
weird outcomes in really any area of
life that money touches which turns out
to be most of them so you get a currency
that’s being forcibly depreciated and
all of a sudden the food starts to
become
depreciated and you know I if you I’m
sure you’ve been into the seed oil
Rabbit Hole of course basically every
food with a
label mostly has seed oils in it yes
right most foods that don’t need to have
sugar in them in American grocery stores
at least have sugar or high fructose
corn syrup in them yeah and you get in
this situation where you can’t even if
you’re trying to eat healthy like we
were at Whole Foods the other day and my
girlfriend picks up dried
cranberries and you you know just says
dried organic dried
cranberries first of all was like $14
like what how is this $4 then you read
the back of the label and it’s organic
dried cranberries sprayed with canola
oil you know some other like what it’s
like what these are just dried can it
just be dried fruit why do you have to
put 100%
so you get you come to this point where
it’s like you’re nav it feels like the
feeling for me is like you’re navigating
a Minefield yes and you literally have
to take the time and attention and
effort to examine everything the
ingredient label in everything that you
put into your body mhm and that process
was so excruciating and I had to learn
through countless rounds of trial and
error where like you start to eat really
strict and you start to feel a little
better I don’t know if your journey was
like this I was like I would eat really
strict yeah I start to feel a little
better and then I’m like oh I’m good I
can just eat what I feel good now that
eat and I like feel bad again like oh
what did I do like where did I Mis step
and so I kept learning do repeating this
pattern and then
finally I started to actually really get
serious like what everything that goes
into my body and um it’s been
so difficult it’s like difficult
psychologically
um but I don’t know if you don’t take
control of your own health and if you
don’t do these things to feel better
because when I went to the doctors like
sort of like
you like hey I feel this certain way
they run the test and for me they
actually said Oh no you’re good you
don’t have anything I had the the
autoimmune condition which they could
diagnose was just cosmetic
and well they told me about autoimmune I
said we don’t know where it comes from
there’s no cure for it there’s nothing
we can do about it so it’s like you just
need to you just have to live with it
now and I was like this is a ter what a
terrible answer like how are you a
doctor like there’s no way you don’t
know where this comes from and um I
don’t know I guess the
whole if I try to look at it as like
what did I learn from it all it’s like
that you have to take control over
yourself and your own life you have to
be respons responsible for your own
situation you can’t abdicate that
responsibility to a doctor and expect
them to have an answer for you mhm and
um so anyways I it was just very brutal
in that way were you did you go through
this kind of looping cycle where you
would start to feel better and then
maybe eat some other Foods again that
bothered you and like how what was your
dayto day like did it take you a while
to normalize yourself to this diet or
when I it’s such a good question and
the way that you likened the processed
food industry to a mine field I think is
actually the Perfect Analogy even this
concept of food addiction right it’s
like we recognize pornography addition
addiction alcohol addiction gambling
addiction but food addiction is
something that we talk about a little
bit but we don’t I think traditional
medical Fields don’t really recognize it
as an addiction where you take a company
like Coca-Cola and their distribution
strategy is literally to have like a
Coke within Arm’s Reach of wherever you
are when you’re out and about is so true
right it’s like pretty much every time
you leave your house you can find
Coca-Cola so for me I guess a little bit
different than you but you eventually
came to it was there was I would almost
equated to like just a light switch
turning on and just saying I am eating
these foods and I’m not going to fall
for the [ __ ] anymore because if I
continue to fall for this [ __ ] I
will either be dead or I will be on
medication for the rest of my life so
these are foods and then anything that’s
in a box or a package or with an
ingredient label is no longer food it
might taste really good but nothing is
going to taste better than what having
this ultimate quality of health is and
one of the things that you You’ mention
was like this maybe the difference in
severity but my counter to that is like
for someone like you right there are
thousands and thousands of people that
come to you for knowledge and in
information and so for you when you were
dealing with that autoimmune issue maybe
you were operating at 50% of your
potential Max for sure it’s like dude
what is the world missing out on by
Robert not being at 100% and equate that
to all these other people thinking that
88% of Americans are metabolically
unhealthy yeah like what are like the
contributions or the businesses or like
the life’s missions that aren’t even
getting turned into existence because
you’re just in this like metabolic fog
that’s just crippling your life dude
100% And it’s to know what it’s like to
live in that sort of foggy low Vitality
Zone to where I am today like I wake up
I feel great and I have it’s night and
day right it’s like you’re it’s the
difference between struggling to survive
the day and really like thriving every
day mhm um and man it’s so easy to take
it for granted you know because like I
mean this happened to you when you were
pretty young but yeah in my 20s my early
20s especially I was just in really good
health yes and you just take that for
granted right you think that’s the norm
until all of a sudden it’s not there and
then you’re kind of desperately trying
to get it back yeah um but yeah it’s I I
don’t know for
people that you’re trying to I it’s
weird because I would never wish to go
through what you went through but in a
way it seems like maybe it was kind of
good for you cuz you had this very clear
like if I don’t eat this diet I’m going
to be on drugs and we dead right like
you had a very bright line mine was much
softer it was like they’re like oh
you’re fine the doctors tell me I’m fine
but I know I feel like [ __ ] MH so I I
never had that in my mind where like if
I don’t eat this diet I’m going to die
or be on drugs it was just like I’m
trying to feel good yes so every time I
would start to feel better I would like
I like at war with my own psychology in
a way like I start to feel better and
then your body just wants even just
fruit you know there was a while I
couldn’t eat even fruit and so I was
like oh it’s okay I feel better you just
eat some fruit now and then you feel
like [ __ ] again and so it’s been um I
don’t know learning how
to control
yourself did you ever do any long-term
fasting cuz I that was a big
breakthrough for me too when I started
doing extended fast where I would just
drink water I felt like I started to
develop a very uh highlevel view of this
whole process of myself like eating
really good and starting to feel better
and then eating worse again I was able
to to like delaminate myself from my own
desires and my own hunger and that
helped me get a hold of myself not just
in my eating but in really multiple
areas of life I don’t did you ever do
any long-term fasting that’s a good
question I would say that when I was
sick I wasn’t doing anything outside of
a range of like maybe 16 to 18 hours max
where I would have one to two meals a
day and I actually did a I did a 90h
hour fast about a month ago and that was
the longest fast that I’ve ever done and
to your point I went through these
oscillations especially in the beginning
of just like craving food so badly MH
and then whenever I would feel that
craving you know I’m in Austin Texas it
was like 75 de when I was doing it I
would go out in the sun and just take a
really long walk and the feelings that I
had around food
cravings it’s hard to you know what I’m
saying it’s like you experience these
feelings on a spiritual level and the
thoughts that I’d experienced had never
been so crisp in my entire life even
just about like my business or the
trajectory of my life just from
detaching myself from food for a period
of time it’s like I think it’s an
experience that everyone should
experiment with for sure yeah I think
it’s a great way to get a hold of
yourself definitely
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conversation what did you so you said
you started to go deeper you started to
you heard Sean Baker’s podcast you
started to heal yourself you started
going deeper into the carnivory rabbit
hole is that what took you into
regenerative agriculture and then could
you tell like let’s talk about that what
is I don’t think many people know what
regenerative a is so like what is that
and what in what ways is it better not
just for people but also for the world
definitely no it’s a great question And
to clarify so when I was probably my
probably close to about the extensive
two years that I was doing it I was just
shopping at the outer out of the grocery
store because I didn’t know much I never
maybe I’d heard the term regenerative
agriculture I didn’t know what it was I
didn’t know the the difference between
grain finish versus grass finished I was
just like trusting the right
macronutrient combinations that I
thought that I should have been eating
and just kind of rewiring my
relationship with food in general and I
think that’s like the critical first
step I think there’s so much information
out there in a way that it’s almost
confusing for people we were just having
this conversation we were both you and I
were both saying like we actually just
enjoy grain finished meat oh yeah and
that’s actually a beautiful thing and
it’s really good for you but then you
have people that are out there that are
saying hey if it’s not grass finish if
it’s not regenerative don’t eat it which
I which I don’t agree with at all which
we’ll get into it but so I so I rewire
my relationship with food I feel really
good and then I start to learn a little
bit more about regenerative agriculture
and local ranching and so basically
regenerative agriculture just means that
you are basically farming and ranching
in harmony with nature it’s kind of a
beautiful thing that we’ve done as
humans is we’ve basically dearmon like
every aspect of our lives about
fundamentally what it me means to be
human and I think ranching is a perfect
example of that where we think of these
massive industrial Farms where the
cattle are stuck in these really tight
pens where they’re [ __ ] on top of
each other and we’re spraying all of our
crops with glyphosate and pesticides and
we’re monocropping all these fields
regenerative agriculture just means that
we’re going to get rid of all of that
and we’re kind of basically let God be
the ultimate Rancher and the ultimate
architect right so when you go out to a
regenerative Ranch there’s no tilling
there’s no spraying you’ll see cattle in
one part of the pasture you’ll see pigs
in another you’ll see chickens in
another you’ll have rows of different
crops and things like that and the
cattle are basically getting
rotationally grazed which means that
they’re getting moved to different parts
of the Rancher’s land and they’re
pooping on the land which is like
amazing natural fertilizer and by
allowing nature to kind of take its
course and allow these animals to almost
have like it’s almost um I think Joel
Salon who’s a really well-known
regenerative Rancher he called it like
choreography where you’re just moving
these animals around yeah it’s really
able to like pump these nutrients into
the land and you see this amazing uptick
and like these different these thousands
of different indigenous species um you
see the the the actual density of the
soil is so thick like when we were out
in will Harris’s Ranch at White Oak
pastures if he Scoops a shovel into his
soil it looks like chocolate cake where
if you go to this like industrial Farm
that’s like monocropping one single type
of vegetable it’s like this like dull
gray soil right versus like the
chocolate cake of regenerative
agriculture so that’s a huge
misconception around meat man is that
you know meat is terrible for the
environment and it’s like number one
even with industrial agriculture it’s a
fraction of the emissions of like the
transportation and energy energy
Industries but to counter that through
these regenerative practices you can
actually improve the um number of
species on on farmland and you can also
improve the actual carbon that’s being
sequestered and stored into the soil too
so it’s actually like one of the best
things that you can be doing for the
environment yeah it’s like one of the
only carbon negative activities right if
you’re actually pulling carbon out of
the atmosphere if it’s done correctly
and yeah it’s really an it’s the old way
of doing agriculture basically it
reminds me of that quote that nature to
be commanded must be obeyed to you know
you’re actually aligning yourself with
the patterns of nature rather than
trying to
Dominate and control nature which
industrial a seems to be more in line
with yeah uh we visited actually my
girlfriend and I a couple of weeks ago
the farm at okii in south Georgia and
they do regenerative AAG as well and it
was interesting to see how like exactly
what you said the choreography right you
have the the cows grazing here for one
period Then the cows are moved to a
different place to graze you know the
New Growth there and then maybe they
rotate the pigs in to to eat the roots
or whatever um I think there was like a
a a thorny Blackberry species or
something they were trying to get rid of
and so they let the pigs do that versus
using herbicides or whatever the
industrial approach would be and um yeah
it was just a lot of yeah choreography
is a great word for it right you had
people that were Hands-On paying
attention what you know what animals
need to be wear how do you bring these
animals
into uh you know the word Synergy I
guess or or what’s symbiosis would be
maybe the the biology term where you
know an animal’s doing one thing to
prepare the land for maybe another
animal to rotate in behind it and then
the out you know the outcome of that was
just amazing right they didn’t use any
pesticides no
chemicals um all the animals were breed
actually they’re not doing any
insemination right they’re actually
breeding the animals it was all heirloom
varieties of the
plants and the food tasted amazing it’s
good for the environment the community
that grew up around that was just just
great it’s just like the the way things
used to be it’s like the good old days
definitely what is it why are are you
seeing regenerative a make a comeback is
this are we rediscovering that we maybe
screwed something up going into
industrial lag and now you’re seeing
people lean the other direction like how
how do you see that unfolding yeah it’s
another amazing connection point between
Bitcoin and just the food system is like
maybe there was actually a possibility
that we had figur we had things figured
out correctly a couple hundred years ago
and maybe the last 50 to 100 years would
really F things up in the wrong
direction I mean you know 100 years ago
regenerative agriculture wasn’t even a
term because this is just what every it
was just Agriculture and it’s what
everyone was doing like back in the day
contrasted to now now there’s four
multinational beef Packers that control
85% of any piece of meat that you see at
the grocery store back in the day it was
so localized that it was really One
processor Per County and maybe even per
town too depending on where you were
maybe if you were in like Texas or
Georgia or more of like an agrarian
culture um and we’ve really we’ve really
gone in the opposite direction of what
we had had figured out about a hundred
years ago and now I think we’re starting
to see this Resurgence where people are
are distrusting these large National
nutrition boards that are telling us hey
I should eat 8 to 11 servings of
carbohydrates bread pasta sugar every
single day I should avoid saturated fat
they’re experimenting they’re learning
from stories like yours learning from
stories like mine they’re eating these
foods and they’re feeling really good
and then they’re taking it a step
further where they’re like I actually
want to go meet the dude or the woman
that’s growing my food and I want to
shake their hand and have a be on a
firstname basis with them in a
relationship and it’s such a pure
transaction right where it’s like if
Rob’s the Rancher and I’m the consumer
I’m giving you my hard hard-earned
dollars and you’re going through this
energy intensive process of like raising
cattle on grass and maybe finishing them
on grain and giving them a very um like
the the best purest type of death that
it could possibly have and then
butchering it and processing the animal
and then giving that to me in exchange
for my hard hard-earned money that’s
what life is about right it’s like a
spiritual transaction in a sense and I
think people are like they want to be
gone are the days of just going to a
grocery store and not even thinking
about where their food comes from right
now the legality is so crazy there was
there was something that we used to have
called the cool act which was the
country of origin labeling law and it
used to force you to disclose where the
beef was coming from so if something was
raised slaughtered and then processed in
Brazil you used to have to put that on
the label now as long as the product is
just packaged in the US it could be
labeled as a to the USA when the animal
was raised slaughtered killed in Brazil
and just like packaged in plastic in the
US and then Whole Foods right since they
got bought by Amazon they’re labeling a
lot of this beef as like local uh local
pasturas beef which can mean anything
and you’re and me I’m like oh great I’m
in Austin Texas this cow must have been
raised like 20 miles outside of here
nope it’s actually like a Brazilian
animal that was grain fed its entirety
of it life no idea yeah unbelievable
it’s crazy and then is so is that what’s
wrong I guess that happens because the
lobbyists capture the regulatory agency
yes and then they get those laws changed
so that there’s less transparency that’s
exactly what it is and what is that
what’s wrong with the food system is
that we we’ve had this regulatory
capture and
now it’s so interesting like we say you
say shake the Rancher’s hand yeah what
is it about that is it just maintaining
this sort of humano human connection so
that people are more likely to not I
don’t know pump The Animal full of drugs
or or do anything else that would harm
their customer when they see their
customer face to face is that the spirit
of shaking the Rancher’s hand yeah I
think it’s I think it’s the spirit of
peer-to-peer transaction I think it’s
also what you said of actually being
able to verify where your meat comes
from ask questions like do you vaccinate
do you finish your animal on grain is
the lineage of the cow you know how long
ago were they butchered and processed
when you pick that up when you pick that
meat up at the grocery store there’s
really no way to verify right it’s like
I I do this all the time in Texas I just
go ask butchers questions just to see
how on their game there are and nine out
of 10 times they have no idea what farm
it’s coming from they might be able to
tell you the state but very rarely can
they even tell you the farm versus like
actually knowing your Rancher and being
able to ask those questions and the
Rancher has such a small set of
customers compared to a grocery store
where if I’m a Rancher and I’m selling
beef to you I know it has to be good
quality and I have to nourish you
because if it’s not good quality you’re
just not going to come back to me and
I’m going to be out of business so it’s
like that peer-to-peer transaction is
just such a it’s such a pure thing that
we really lost sight of but I think we
can win it back yeah yeah it reminds me
of um this idea of governance being
local too that when your government is a
localized Affair and you can participate
in the political process and you
probably you know your whoever the
governors are whoever the politicians
are actually see the people face to face
they’re much more likely to engage in
kind of a harmonious governance
structure whereas if you have a more
centralized government if all of the
decisions are coming out of Washington
DC for instance well then you’ve got 330
million people under one giant umbrella
definitely whether you’re not getting
this face-to-face empathic interaction
everyone’s just a row on the spreadsheet
right like there’s no it becomes much
more industrialized right it’s like
industrialized
governance and it sounds like that’s
what we’ve done to our food in a way
it’s we’ve
just I guess to scale it you’ve kind of
broken that human connection and that we
didn’t realize how much Val like in the
pursuit of efficiency I
guess we’ve lost something yeah right
and but the thing that we’ve lost is
pretty easy to get back cuz it’s the way
we always did it it’s just localized
decentralized food production
peer-to-peer
transactions yeah and so it’s just a
matter of doing it I guess right it’s
not like an it’s not like a mystery we
need to solve we just need to go back to
the old ways yes it’s like we could
probably have a 4-Hour podcast talking
through the history and the Nuance of
how we got here which is extremely
complicated no but like you said the
answer is very simple where it’s like
buying real foods which are animal
products that are made by God and
seeking out a relationship with your
Rancher and just eating those foods and
saying no to all the Fiat processed
garbage that’s found in the inner AIS
the grocery store like you said earlier
that’s basically masterfully combining
these subsidized products of corn wheat
soy vegetable oil processed sugar and
just watch what happens to your health
and you articulated something that I’ve
actually I’ve thought about but I’ve
never been able to articulate it you you
basically implied that the more energy
that we give like the more energy that a
Rancher gives to their process the more
energy that we expend in terms of
finding the right ranch or cooking our
meals nourishing our bodies Our Family B
family’s bodies that almost like that
seeking of energy is what gives you
energy versus the conservation of energy
is actually destroying your energy and
your metabolic Health too yeah so
efficiency has a cost right yes
efficiency is like the pursuit of cost
savings but there’s a qualitative cost
that comes with a pursuit of
quantitative cost savings perhaps
definitely and that is that sort of
spiritual peer-to-peer shaking the
Rancher’s hand thing that we’ve lost yes
how do you deal with I’m sure you get a
lot of you run the meat Mafia podcast
you probably had some criticism from
vegans
or vegetarians maybe I don’t know um how
do you deal or I guess
what the one argument that I hear when I
because I talk about being a meat eater
is people typically want to we wield the
ethical
argument and say you know oh it’s wrong
to eat animals animals should be free or
whatever how do you deal with that
criticism and how do you handle that
argument yeah it’s another it’s another
good question there’s really
no counterargument to someone that’s
just ethically convinced that killing
animals is wrong the only thing that I
can do is just hope that at some point
they real they wake up to real I oh when
I’m following this vegan diet and I’m so
nutrient deficient I don’t feel good and
I hope that I can they can maybe bridge
that Gap by finding a good regenerative
Farm I think force of nature does a
great job of that they’re probably the
largest regenerative D Toc meat shipping
company so you do see a lot of vegan
crossover the way that I justify it is
that basically every single species
kills other animals for food and neither
you nor I nor The Listener wants an
animal to die when you see these cattles
when you see these chickens these pigs
they’re like beautiful amazing majestic
creatures it’s like neither of us want
them to die but at the end of the day
like their nourishment is what we’re
evolutionarily designed to eat yeah and
when you go out to a ranch you realize
that not only is that death going to
potentially nourish you and your family
for an entire year plus if you’re if
you’re buying a whole cow but the
carcass of that animal is able to like
make life for all these other species
it’s like this beautiful CYCC Loop in a
lot of different ways too and that’s
just the way that I’ve Justified it’s
like these are the foods that I’ve
designed to eat death really is a part
of life too and if you actually go out
to a ranch you realize that when the
farmer is doing things right these
animals truly have an amazing life up
until that last day yeah yeah of course
and I mean we all everything that lives
must die yeah right and I love this meme
that I saw on Twitter
where it shows like a deer and a
hospital bed and a hospital gown
surrounded by and it said this is how
vegans think de or die in nature you
know it’s if it’s done correctly as you
said like these animals lead a full life
they’re treated well and then they are
killed in a very quick and painless way
yeah right and then they are harvested
for our consumption and it’s not yeah
you could always make the that you’re
right that the ethical argument if you
just think it’s wrong to kill animals
well then there’s nothing that anyone
can say to that but the reality of the
universe is that life feeds on life and
humans have been at the top of the food
chain for a really long time so yes you
don’t you don’t have to participate in
that but I think if you refuse to
participate in that you’ll soon see in
your own metabolic condition that
there’s a reason we’re at the top of the
food chain definitely um and you are and
of course it’s different for everyone
every ethnicity and every person has
different
dietary things that work for them and
things that don’t work for them but in
general it seems like animal foods are
much more nutrient-dense and nourishing
for humans in general than just a purely
plant-based diet and um man we’ve seen a
lot of people like I I mean I bought it
too right when I was having health
conditions the digestive stuff I was
living in La at the time yes veganism
veganism veganism everyone’s pounding
the drum that’ll fix your gut it’ll heal
everything I checked it I was Googl the
other day too I something about I forgot
what it was but it was like I ended up
Googling like oh what is the right diet
for gut health and the first result on
Google is like oh plant-based Foods
plant-based Foods it’s all like it’s is
that is this how did we get there is
this like how did
we as the animal that has been eating
animals for millions of years M right if
you actually go into Homo sapiens and
the like everything that we come from
we’ve been eating meat and animal
products for literally millions of years
how do we get into this Modern Age where
we’ve all of a sudden decided that
plants are the
answer and how how do we awaken people
from that that illusion that it’s not I
don’t know I don’t know where the
evidence comes from so like how did we
get here and how do we fix it yeah
there’s like there’s almost this
conspiratorial side of our brains where
you’re like do the Elites at the top
fundamentally understand that animal
products are like the mechanism where
the lights go on and they it gives you
that amazing metabolic Health where
you’re more likely to be a free thinker
and not want to be like this
domesticated cat that just submits to
everything that they’re saying right I
think there’s that that’s a great
argument to make or is it just um matter
of flawed science I mean if we want to
talk about the flawed science I think
the Dwight Eisenhower story that’s it’s
popularized on Twitter now but I think
that’s a great story where um in 1951
president Dwight Eisenhower had a heart
attack and so he was out of the Oval
Office for about a week the stock market
took a massive dump and people were
terrified because you saw heart disease
and Men Skyrocket meanwhile the average
male was smoking a pack of cigarettes a
day I think Eisenhower was smoking like
two packs a day and there was this
scientist out of the University of
Minnesota his name was Dr anel keys and
he was convinced that that increased
saturated fat consumption was the
leading cause in heart disease and
middle-aged males at the time and so he
had there’s a great documentary that
digs into this called fat Fiction it’s
free on YouTube it’s an hour it’s it it
was it’s incredible to understand all
the information but anel Keys put
together the seven country study the
famous seven country study we on the
x-axis I think it’s levels of saturated
fat consumption and then the y axis is
um like incidents of heart disease or
heart attack something like that and so
he studies these seven countries and so
when you look at it on a graph it’s like
a beautiful linear correlation so the
average person is like oh my God I need
to stop eating saturated fat otherwise
I’m going to have heart disease or heart
attack what people don’t know is that
there were actually 22 countries that he
studied and so when you plot out all the
22 countries you see a very loose
correlation but not anything close to
the linear connection that was
popularized as a part of that study and
so an Keys had an incredibly
bombastic um debative personality he was
able to get himself on the board of the
American Heart
Association American Heart Association
receives a $1.7 million donation from
Proctor and Gamble the original creator
of Cisco uh krisco the first vegetable
oil ever and then you start to see this
sat this demonization of saturated fat
trickle its way down into our dietary
guidelines and so 1980 are the first
government recommended dietary
guidelines that we’ve ever seen and
that’s when we see like the
recommendations to avoid saturated fat
consumption and replace that with like a
car a high carbohydrate high sugar diet
of 8 to 11 servings of carbohydrates
every single day God which is crazy so
and there’s so many other stories that
are similar in that lens and I remember
thinking to myself like are the dietary
guidelines really based off of these
like flawed hypothesis and the more
research I’ve done my answer to that is
yes wow
the the Crisco that’s so that is seed
oils basically right like seed oil yeah
so are those subsidized then like it’s
like soybean oil canola oil are those
subsidized crops yeah because they’re
coming yeah they’re coming from soybeans
and rape seeds and everything like that
um and the fascinating thing about
Proctor and Gamble and krisco is that
during before the Industrial Revolution
um I believe it was cotton seed that was
used as like the premier lighter fluid
and then during Industrial Revolution
petroleum oil replaces that so these
companies are like I need a new use case
for cotton seed oil and so they found
out that if you took it through this
15-step process of bleaching it de
deodorizing it making it like heating it
to a certain temperature at when it’s
solidified it kind of looked like lard
at the time which most people were
cooking with yeah and then they spin up
some nice beautiful branding and the
demonization of saturated fat and it’s
like oh beautiful so these vegetable
oils are heart heart healthy with which
my caveat to that is that it has been
shown that the more vegetable oils
you’ll eat it can bring your LDL level
on but like the boogeyman of LDL is so
interesting because yeah if we look at
all these metrics of your metabolic
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I saw was it you that posted the photo
of the 82-year-old woman on the ranch
that’s been eating the like she’s been
eating the carnivore diet for 40 years
and she’s 82 she looks like she’s 50
dude so I didn’t post that I saw that
picture that is I you know what I’ll
tell you is that I’ve met so many wives
of ranchers that have been out on the
ranch for 30 40 years that have been
eating beef Tallow riby all these animal
products no makeup on their faces they
look 30 years younger than what they
really are and they’re just like
naturally beautiful and I’m like what if
beef beef is like the Ultimate Health
hack or makeup product for women so true
yeah so how do you so going on this
journey you’ve met some resistance or
criticism I imagine from some of you
know the the vegan vegetarian Community
have you turned a lot of people like
have you been able to actually I I
assume there’s people also tuning into
the show that have health conditions
like that’s probably the number one uh
demographic I would imagine have you
seen uh your work actually have impact
in people’s lives where they’ve you know
had a certain health condition
discovered your show discovered the diet
and then and been able to make changes
it’s probably the best piece of feedback
that I can get and I get this multiple
times a week of people that will say you
know hey started following a meat-based
diet since I listened to your show I was
on this type of medication I lost 20
pounds I’m no longer on those drugs
they’ll send me before and act after
pictures of their skin a few months
difference in between those pictures
I get those messages all the time which
just gives me more confirmation of the
things that you and I are talking about
or what more people really need to heal
and um my metric for the way the tide is
moving is based on my friend group back
in New Jersey and New York just because
that’s where you’re most likely to see
that plant-based demographic or these
Coastal Elite cities and I used to in
2019 when I first went carnivore I would
post pictures of my meals and so many
people would be like dude you’re
literally going to die like you’re going
to get like heart disease like the crazy
messages meanwhile the people that are
sending it to me are like 30 lbs
overweight which which is ironic and now
those those same people are like hey
Bret can you show me um a good
regenerative Ranch in New Jersey that I
can buy be from like so many of those
people I remember the the commentary
from 2019 versus now yeah which is my
connection point of like we can turn the
tide and we can win this thing yes this
I think too in my mind is the bright
side of social media mhm that because
still seed oils today for
like they’re everywhere they’re not
talked about as being bad for you and
any mainstream medical anything not on
the news but in social media you can
figure you can sort of figure it out
right that people have I don’t even want
to say proven that CED oils are bad but
there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence
there there are studies and things so
the the bright side of social media in
my mind is that people are able to
triangulate onto these inconvenient
truths let’s say for certain mainstream
medical complexes or industrial a or
whatever the large centralized power or
institution may be social media lets
people kind of um peer-to-peer zero in
on what’s actually true and then those
ideas can spread really quickly you’ve
seen like the success of like Paul
saladino and Sean Baker who you
mentioned earlier they’ve just grown
like wildfire on social media because
what they’re saying actually works for a
lot of people whereas pre-social media
it would have been very difficult to get
those ideas to spread as easily as they
do um do you think then that
we could we actually overturn this thing
and move from a world that’s dominated
at least I’m talking about the US here
clearly dominated by industrial a could
we see a reversion back to traditional
or regenerative agriculture thanks to in
part social media I think you nailed it
on the social media piece and I think
partially why I was so interested in
what Shawn was talking about
was I you know the the Western medicinal
de you know the that model is my doctor
is God yeah if he tells me to take this
antibiotic this medication this food I
do it if he doesn’t tell me it I don’t
do it at all where it’s these guys like
Shawn and Paul salino and even Dr Mary
with you and me they’re almost like a
consultant that’s giving you hope in a
lot of ways and for me I’m going to bet
on the person that’s hopeful and telling
me that I can heal and the other
beautiful thing about social media is
that it allows you to lean into the
power of anecdote yeah where Western
medicine says oh Brett you had
ulcerative cetus you healed from
carnivore that’s just an anecdote there
could have been all these other factors
where someone that’s struggling with UC
is saying okay at work for this guy yeah
he could heal maybe I can heal too exact
and then he experiments with it and
obviously we’ll to see that these are
ultimately the food groups that were
just evolutionarily designed to eat yeah
and so I think that what I’m encouraged
by is that I think there’s a stronger
connection between vegans and carnivores
that we actually realized where even
when you were vegan in La you were still
trying to do the right thing you just
didn’t have the right tools and the
right information yeah Pingo and then as
soon as you had the right information
your health drastically transformed yes
I hear people all the time that listen
to the show that were formerly
plant-based that were formerly
vegetarian they watch Game Changers
which was funed by James Cameron that
has like the largest he has controlling
equity and like the largest PE protein
company in the US by the way and Arnold
has also invested in that too and Game
Changers is the documentary with all
these athletes plant-based food is yes
yeah and Arnold is on there saying oh I
don’t need meat when these Golden Era
bodybuilders that look the best were
basically carnivore and low carb which
is so wild and here he is saying that
you don’t need meat um and he’s invested
in all those same Brands as well right
so I think that the thing that was so
powerful for you and me is that you are
there’s almost this disparity between
how crappy you feel and how good you
felt when you ate those animal products
that made you realize this is the level
of potential I can tap into I’m never
going back yes that’s why like my
cursing my curse was really a blessing
because I had that disparity most people
are at this just consistent me metabolic
low where if you can convince them to
experiment with this and they understand
how good they can feel there’s no going
back everyone that’s experimented with
this knows that there’s no going
back so as long as we can just spread
the right information and have
conversations like this I think most
people are intuitive enough to realize
like okay the the science says this this
actually is science like this is the
ultimate science that we’re supposed to
be eating animal products and it’s good
for the environment and it’s beneficial
to the rancher in the overall community
and um that’s the process that we should
believe in so it’s it’s not going to be
easy Maybe can’t win but I’ve seen
enough examples of people changing their
lives and spending thousands of dollars
with their local Rancher and investing
in chess freezers that were formerly
just eating processed foods two years
ago not thinking at all about where
their food came from that why can’t we
replicate this thing at scale yeah it’s
um definitely hopeful and it seems like
it’s going the right direction overall
and the other thing I really enjoy
appreciate about people like Paul and
Sean um Dr Mar is the instead of
speaking from a position of authority
like a lot of mainstream medicine
doctors tend to do MH like oh this you
know do this you your LDL is high take
this they they are as you said much more
consultative right and
so in addition to like from through
social media I got this permission to
engage in the carnivore dial oh I’m not
going to die if I eat protein which
there was something there for me it’s
like well steak’s always been my
favorite food and way I should have
trusted myself yes yet I didn’t I don’t
know like you didn’t you just didn’t
know right you think oh that that
doesn’t mean anything but that does mean
something actually like if you’re how
you know what when these people act as a
consultant to you you learn that the
real Arbiter of your health is how you
feel right like you are your own doctor
in that sense like you your interior
experience of yourself is the actual
metric you should be optimizing for not
the doctor telling you to get the LDL
right or whatever the thing may be I’m
not trying to dispense with all of that
no but at the end of the day it’s like
what is health yes it’s Vitality how do
you feel how do you show up in the world
how much energy do you have what is your
attitude like
and there’s a humility that has to come
with that right like even if you’re the
doctor you can’t just say this is what
you have to do it’s like well here are
some things that might work for you here
are some tools
But ultimately you have to try these
tools and see what works for you and so
I hope that more people will
take responsibility for themselves and
their own health and take that seriously
because that took me a long time to it’s
like to to
Really accept the reality that
it’s it’s up to me basically it’s like
how do I actually feel as a result of
this it’s not no one there is no Final
Answer out there right there’s no one
size fits-all for this it’s like you are
in this biological experience of being
alive and in as you get
older you know if you’re
lucky it’s there’s going to be a puzzle
right you’re going to have some issues
probably of some kind like knock on wood
maybe you’re lucky and you won’t have
them for a long long time but at some
point you’re going to have some issues
right this is part of aging and living
and dying and all the things and so to
take responsibility as an active
participant in that process rather than
trying to again give the responsibility
to someone else like just tell me what
to do that’s that’s the lesson like
that’s where the the the meaning of this
whole thing I think comes comes out it’s
like when I look at this health
experience I’ve been on for nine years
it’s like what is my lesson what is my
lesson my lesson was self-
responsibility right that I I’m the
final judge of how this thing works yes
um so H how do we
in a world that people have been so
conditioned to just trust the experts
and Trust the science and all of this
other
nonsense how can we motivate people to
take charge of their own health and be
responsible for themselves I think your
the response that you gave before you
asked that question pretty much nailed
it and it seems so simple but it’s so
powerful where it’s like number one I
think one of the things you did really
well is you basically looked yourself
the mirror and you said do I actually
feel good so if you don’t feel good then
there is either inflammation in your
body or there’s something that’s not
going right that you need to correct and
then I think just secondly if we’ve been
these like obedient citizens where we’ve
listened to the US dietary
recommendations to limit our fat and eat
processed grains and eat processed sugar
and the statistics are that almost 90%
of us are metabolically unhealthy what
we’ve been taught for the last 50 years
is literally not correct so if that’s
what your doctor is teaching you and
they act as if they’re the overlord of
your health why would I continue to do
that if I loved my gastroenterologist he
was a great dude I really liked him if I
listen to what he was telling me and I
didn’t I if I didn’t literally go to him
and say I want to get off this
medication like give me a colonoscopy
because I’m done I would still be on
that drug three years later wow right so
I think it’s that like actually honestly
looking yourself in the mirror and
asking yourself do I feel good or not
mhm and being willing to experiment
because what like what is the worst
that’s going to happen right right I
haven’t heard of any use cases of people
eating more meat where they feel way
crappier I’ve only ever in the thousands
and thousands of people that I’ve talked
to I’ve only ever heard of people
getting drastically healthier and
getting off of drugs and medication and
like the medical merrygoround that they
were currently on um yeah yeah it’s like
you don’t especially if you’re not
healthy already it’s like what do you
have to lose in a way and and look maybe
it doesn’t work for some people I don’t
know but same as you anyone I know
that’s actually tried
this it’s gone a good direction like
maybe they don’t end up full carnivore
but you learn that cutting certain of
these Foods
out um you end up in a better place
right you may learn that certain foods
don’t work for you even if you just do
like obviously the Elimination Diet
right you cut down to kind of bare bones
beef and salt and this add back one
thing two things three things and give
yourself 24 hours with each new addition
to see what works for you and what
doesn’t also the food allergy testing
like all of this stuff um it just it was
like opening up a whole new world once
this condition set in so it’s like
that’s that’s the silver lining for me
yeah and I think another Silver Lining
that you brought up as well is this like
taking out this dogmatism of carnivore
versus animal based versus ketovore
versus plant-based like I see people on
social media that are debating pure meat
and salt versus meat with berries and
fruit it’s like really that’s where
we’re going to beef with each other is
like over fruit consumption where we
should actually be uniting around like
this the bureaucracy of these 10
companies that are like quietly
controlling the entire food system it’s
like we really need to unite against
this thing and our bodies are so unique
where like you said for a while it was
just beef and salt I think we could both
thrive on just eating beef and salt and
now you’ve gotten your body to be more
resilient where you’re experimenting
with some fruit and some honey some
carbs and you feel amazing with your
workouts and the way you feel but it’s
because you’re curious and you’re not
dogmatic and you’re continuing to Tinker
an experiment yeah and I don’t think you
ever stop changing right like you’re
again you’re well you’re like a city of
microorganisms and so now that my
microbiome has become more healthy
thanks to the beef and salt for a long
time I’m now able to eat these other
foods and I’ve also been working with a
biohacker who I can’t leave out of this
like I don’t know if it
was parasite bacteria whatever
situations I had going on he’s helped me
clear out a lot of that with different
protocols and that seemed to be a real
turning point like I couldn’t I had a
lot of food intolerances but once I
clicked on some of these protocols after
a few months I started being able to eat
carbs again and other things and that’s
been a total Game Changer yeah um so
there’s this like you have
to Just Like You observe out of nature
right that there’s constant darwinian
combat going on all the time right
animals are hunting and eating each
other there’s one of those theaters of
darwinian combat going on inside of you
all the time like I don’t fully
understand it but um things change
things change to say the least so you in
addition to the podcast you guys have
recently started Noble yes which is
supplement company uh which I’ve tried
this stuff it’s really good thank you um
I didn’t know
though uh so Jake stake brought me some
of your protein powder I didn’t even
know it was yours at the time and I
tried it I made a smoothie with raw milk
frozen berries and the powder but you
were telling me
offline it’s not it’s powdered steak
Yeah it’s basically powdered steak it’s
a it’s a beef protein isolate okay which
is really interesting so how we started
Noble was like Harry my business partner
and I we always wanted some type of a
physical product we just didn’t know
what that would look like and a lot of
times if you listen closely enough your
audience will tell you what they want MH
so in the two years leading up to this
doing meat Mafia podcast running the
Twitter we were getting a ton of
questions and um people asking us about
protein powders and I was always I would
always respond and be like hey number
one work on a real foods diet first
supplement second but if you are going
to take protein powders here’s what I
would recommend and I remember thinking
to myself there really aren’t that many
brands that I trust even the cleaner
brands are still putting a lot of
additives and fillers and things that
person person don’t really recommend or
would want to use why not just build our
own supplement company that actually
embodies all the ingredients that I’ve
used for the last four to 5 years to
heal and so the interesting thing about
Noble is it’s an all-in-one protein
powder so the protein like you mentioned
it’s a beef protein isolate so you
basically take the muscle tissue of the
cow and you’re able to turn that into a
powder so that’s coming from grass
finish cattle in New Zealand because the
the quality of cattle in New Zealand
versus the US is way higher so it’s 25
gram of beef protein isolate there’s an
organs complex in there so there’s liver
heart spleen pancreas bone and blood
there’s collagen protein so you’re
getting that really good connective
tissue in there and then there’s a
little bit of a grass-fed colostrum as
well too the first milk of the mother
cow that’s got um digestive enzymes and
Amun globulins and a bunch of great
stuff for your stomach and so every
scoop of noble that you take has all
those ingredients in it and then the
kicker is that it actually tastes really
good so like you throw two scoops of
chocolate into some raw milk and ice and
it’s like an animal-based milkshake
basically I was instead of the ice I use
actual frozen blueberries frozen
strawberries frozen bananas I think
chocolate protein and I put a little bit
of this uh just like a mushroom powder
that had you know Lion’s ve or whatever
and it just tastes so damn good it
tastes like ice cream tast ice cream
yeah so good post workout dude and then
a scoop and a scoop of the powder on its
own because it’s beef protein isolate
it’s a little bit lower calorie it’s
only 85 calories but it’s 25 g of
protein of like bioavailable protein
where like you were saying offline you
know there are some really good quality
whey protein powders but whey is really
like a waste product from the cheese
making process and so they’re highly
processing it so much that a lot of
people are taking it because they want
to hit their protein goals but their
stomach is killing them they’re just
like [ __ ] the protein powder out
you’re not even absorbing those
nutrients it’s about the absorbability
yeah I reflect on that actually a lot
because I worked at GNC in college did
you I know that so I used to pump a lot
of supplements like the pre-workouts the
post-work workouts and I wonder if that
contributed to my gut issues too cuz
I’ve heard that a lot of these powders
can be lower quality let’s say and they
can AG especially when you’re taking
like say pre-workout on an empty stomach
in the morning probably not good for
your gut line no right no so um but the
idea of having just like powdered steak
as a as a post-workout it’s pretty
especially when it tastes like it
doesn’t I mean it tastes like ice cream
you put it in milk so and it’s a great
bridge product where like because there
are sometimes right where you know even
as dialed in as I can be where I’m like
damnn I just want this like delicious
dessert I’m like dude literally just
throw some raw milk in or some heavy
cream with some Noble chocolate ice and
that gives me that satiety the sweetness
from the stevia and I just got 30 40
grams of protein and now I’m just good
for the rest of the night and I stayed
on the path yeah and the supplement
space is interesting one of the it’s
been so fascinating learning cpg and
meeting with these different
manufacturers and realizing that is that
consumer purchase guidelines uh consumer
package Goods
basically out of a or dude it is such an
unregulated industry legally if one of
the ingredients is less than 1% of the
formulation you don’t even have to put
it on the ingredients label so there’s
all these clean products seemingly clean
products that I’m telling you have
different types of fillers and binding
agents and things like that that they
don’t even have to disclose on the label
wow so like finding something that you
trust with the founder that you trust
with the right certifications the right
third party testing and something that
you just and joy is huge back to shaking
the guy’s hand right like hopefully you
can just meet the person and I love uh
like Paul’s stuff that he sends me the
heart and soil like the packaging
everything just very well done and
there’s a lot to be said for that I
think in the supplement space
of I’m nice packaging frankly like if it
shows up and it’s really good packaging
like they that that gives it this level
of credibility for me that I don’t see
in and like if it’s hard to get the top
off the thing or I’m peeling the you
know the little seal that’s under the
cap and it doesn’t peel right I’m like
someone didn’t put a lot of thought into
this definitely they didn’t put a lot of
thought into the packaging they probably
didn’t put a lot of thought into the
ingredients yes and so I really
appreciate when someone goes the extra
mile to like make the presentation nice
the packaging nice Etc yeah don’t you
feel like so much of life is it comes
down to like there’s so much Alpha in
these like one% improvements that no one
else is willing to do like I remember
even on Twitter I would like when I was
really trying to grow and I had this
vision of my head of what the brand
could be I knew a lot of that at the
time was going to come from me writing
the best threads that I could write in
my natural desire was like dude just
watch like an an hour of Netflix or
something and just chill and go to bed
and I’d be like no if you actually want
to achieve this Vision it comes on the
other side of you writing these threads
and putting out the the best content and
then I would do the work I would write
the thread you know it would get a
million impressions and 10,000 followers
and like the life that I built was on
the other side of those little 1% tweaks
and I even see that with Noble right
someone sends in a customer response
instead of me waiting a DAT to respond
it or writing a two- sentence email I
just sent Loom videos to everyone you
know hey Robert thank you so much for
purchasing customers like you are the
like blood of our business oh you asked
me about the ingredients here’s a list
of like the seven ingredients that are
in Noble let me know if you have any
questions and like the the alpha
customers will be like dude this is the
best customer experience I’ve ever had
they’ll go and purchase on subscription
where you’ll take like a customer
complaint and you turn them into super
fans and that’s what heart soil is done
so well they’re they’re based out of
Dripping so they’re 20 minutes from from
where I live Paul’s amazing and his team
is unbelievable dude he like they’re all
like you meet them all they’re all
goodlooking in amazing shape they eat an
animal-based diet and they just love
what you do and you can’t stop a team
that loves what they do yeah they’re die
hards man they’re so such good people
like they they sent me a card my mom
pass they’re just like such yeah good
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love so you actually Segway nicely into
the last thing I wanted to ask you about
which was we mentioned a little bit
about the bright side of social
media but you’ve
basically leveraged social media to more
or less build your dream life MH and I
guess I kind of have in a way too I
never I didn’t mean to which is weird
but I had this new year Year resolution
when I was this is end of 2016 mhm and
my New Year’s resolution was I wanted to
be able to make a living from wherever I
was living so basically to work remotely
you know and at the time that wasn’t a
very normal thing obviously postco it
became more normal and then I don’t I
just fell backwards into Twitter and
Bitcoin and you know I never aspired to
have big social media but I I didn’t
understand at the time how much of an
that’s an indispensable component to
that Vision actually if you want to be
able to earn a living from wherever you
are living I don’t really understand how
you can do that without leveraging
social media these days um so what
how I think this is becoming maybe more
like the modern American Dream for young
kids is like how do they how do they
crack into this right how do I
leave I don’t want to go up the
traditional corporate hierarchy I want
to break into something in this Digital
Universe and make you know chart my own
path leverage social media build your to
build your dream life how do do you
advise young men or women uh that are
aspiring to do that like what what
suggestions would you offer them yeah I
I
remember when I wasn’t so I got
re-baptized last year and I went through
a phase of like five to six years where
I kind of turn my back on Christianity
but the one thing I will say is when I
turn my back in my mid 20s early to mid
20s the one thing I would pray to God
about is I would just say can you please
just like show me what is the ultimate
thing that I’m supposed to be doing with
my life like I was in a you know
well-paying corporate sales job I
enjoyed that more so because I was
competent at it and I was competitive
like I didn’t necessarily love sales I
just love being good at something and we
were talking about that earlier and you
realize looking back that I feel like
sometimes almost God is slapping you in
the face with what you’re supposed to be
doing where what I was Finding was that
when I was going carnivore whenever
anyone would ask me about the diet I
would be so passionate about it where I
would stop what I was doing I would
write my friends like a two to 10 page
like nutrition guide with like their
grocery shopping list and meals to
follow it’s probably similar to you like
reading Austrian economics and all the
other incredible books that you love to
read you just find yourself you almost
can’t not do those things exactly yes
and so that would be my recommendation
is like find those things that you can’t
not do and then figure out what is kind
of like your unique mechanism to share
those gifts to the world because I think
number one people always say oh why
would I start a podcast it’s such a
saturated space that’s true but when
you’re actually passionate about a
particular topic people gravitate
towards your passion yes right where I
could be listening to a show about a
topic that I’m not that interested in
but the host energy and Charisma makes
me interested in that topic right and
then the mechanism for sharing that
information is fascinating because there
are some people that are amazing writers
there are some people that should be in
front of the camera for me I just found
that I really enjoyed consuming content
on Twitter and I had seen so many
threads that when I was ready to start
creating some content and sharing my
first thread on my healing journey I had
subconsciously seen enough where I knew
how to craft a decent thread for my
first thread and then I just got that
first win where I think I gained maybe a
th followers and then once you you know
once you have that that dopamine hit
it’s it’s the best feeling and a lot of
times you just need that first hit that
first proof of concept that you can
actually do something in the space yeah
even for me gaining a thousand followers
that was enough for me to realize what
can you do if you really go all in on
this and now we’ve built out three
businesses on the other side of this
we’ve helped thousands of people get
healthier you know I really feel like I
found God through in Christ through this
whole experience um I even think that
the girl that I’m dating now she’s with
me because of the man I’ve become
through this whole journey and it’s all
built on the other side of like finding
that unique thing that you can’t not do
and then figuring out like what is that
mechanism to deliver to the world and
get your dopamine hit off of the fact
that you’re actually creating versus
like being concerned about followers and
money for me I had worked a corporate
job for so long I just wanted to create
something right it’s like as men we just
want to create something yes um yes and
when you don’t feed that it feels like
you’re dying a slow death and when you
do get to experience that it’s amazing
like I even think about you you know I
listen to your first podcast in 20 the
first time i’ ever heard you was 2020
and I could feel your passion and your
intentionality and I was like this guy’s
just a radical truth Seeker that just
wants to disseminate this information to
the rest of the world and that’s what
kept me coming back for your content and
I think about all the other people that
have similar all my friends in Austin
that look up to you and follow your
content it’s like that’s all built on
the other back the back of the side of
you just saying I’m going to share this
to the world and I just trust that that
God is going to take care of the rest
but I’m still going to work really
really hard
yeah dude well thank you for saying that
and it um very difficult for me because
I’m actually naturally introverted to do
this frankly um but you take that
leap and listening to what people want
like I’m you
know as you said earlier if you listen
closely your audience will tell you what
they want right well my audience who I
had again sort of developed organically
on Twitter was telling me they wanted to
hear me talk and write and see me write
more so that’s what I tried to do and it
has become this whole thing and it’s
it’s been incredible but I I loved how
you
said finding the thing that you can’t
not do it reminds me of there’s this
great book called the role of the
individual in history and he talks about
the Paradox of
Freedom or it’s like people naturally
desire Freedom right to have control
over their own time to have a wide set
of options in any situation to have
wealth material Comfort Etc but all that
really does is it gives you Leisure
right and Le what is Leisure Leisure is
like well you do whatever you want right
you spend your time how you how you see
fit he goes but if you really take that
to its ultimate
conclusion and you spend it wisely right
you’ll find the
thing right and in that set of options
or in that time in that Leisure you will
discover the thing that you have to do
basically like you can’t live like it’s
just your passion or whatever you want
to call it so there’s this Paradox of
Freedom where you get all these options
but you’ll end up discovering the one
thing that you can’t not do so you kind
of become a slave to your passion in a
way but it’s you know again it’s Paradox
it’s like a volent it’s a consensual
enslavement in a way um sort of like
maybe there’s like
uh it kind of rhymes with marriage in a
way like you’re dating you have all
these options like everyone’s like oh
let me have as many options as possible
then you meet the girl or the woman that
you can’t you know this is the one and
so that idea is very deep and
interesting to me and it’s I guess for
me
was like the reason I was able to
overcome my introversion and do this is
because I decided I was like Bitcoin is
so
important that this this Mission matters
so much it’s so big like I’m just going
to do whatever it is like whatever the
market is telling me that I can do to
serve this mission I will do whatever
that thing is it just happen to be the
thing I was like least comfortable with
that’s probably part of the journey too
and um and your point on podcasting is
like yeah sure super saturated space
anyone with a camera and a mic can start
a
podcast but the unique opportunity is
that you as an individual right with
your own unique set of experiences and
interest and
knowledge you can become a very unique
it’s not like
you maybe you’re not the best uh know a
rocket science podcast right maybe
you’re not the number one rocket
scientist on Earth but maybe you’re also
a guitar player and you’re into I know
rebuilding vintage cars right so they
like combine these three things like oh
you’re the rocket scientist guitar
playing you know vintage car Rebuilder
like you could be that you could be the
best at that on Earth so you get the the
opportunity to discover the sets of
things that you are that you are
passionate about you then get to pursue
them and learn about them with
enthusiasm and then there’s an
opportunity there to become your own
unique brand yes and like I didn’t know
any of this a few years ago right I’m
just like just press record and start
talking to people but I’ve I’ve learned
that over this this journey and I
think you know those are things I would
hope young people would take to heart
it’s like yeah you
you don’t have to be bolted into the
corporate hierarchy the traditional path
you can go out on your own in going out
on your own you’re probably going to
discover a bunch of different things and
options that that appear to you if
you’re lucky you’ll find the one thing
that you can’t not do or the few things
right and then if you pursue that
diligently and you work at it with a you
know a heart filled with faith and a
head that’s clear then you can really
create something unique and valuable for
others and when you create value in the
lives of others that’s when you create
value in your own life
so um anyways bit of a diet tribe but
that’s that’s what was coming up for me
as you said it’s a great diet tribe I
think what you referenced is what um
Scott Adams refers to his talent
stacking right where if you’re trying to
be the most popular bitcoiner there’s
only going to be one most popular
bitcoiner but if you are passionate
about Bitcoin and you’re a powerlifter
and you love in economics and you love
meat and you worked at this hedge fund
you combine all these experiences it’s
like now you have this like really wide
pool of why people are attracted and
want to listen to you too where it’s
like for me my sense when you came on
the show and even when I listened to
your podcast was I got the sense of like
this like Robert he actually like he
can’t do anything besides share these
learnings to the world I was like my
sense was like off camera I’m like I
know he’s reading and researching every
single day and Hees loves it and he’s
doing this not from an ego perspective
but purely because he’s trying to share
these gifts that he’s learned with the
world and as because of those gifts like
think about what it’s done for me where
that gave that was the Catalyst for me
to purchase Bitcoin which is like the
best asset that I could possibly own to
support future generations of my family
and then multiply that by thousands of
other people that you’ve been able to
get down into this rabbit hole and
ultimately Chang their life and their
family’s life it’s like it’s almost um
it almost gives me chills thinking about
it because so powerful when you lean
into social media the right way yeah
like for me again all thanks to bitcoin
like I don’t know that I I’ve always
loved to read and all of that but to
start to write to publish my thoughts on
Twitter that was Bitcoin like to give to
give me the courage to come on camera
and do the things like that was Bitcoin
for me so but again it it doesn’t have
to be Bitcoin yeah it for me it was that
mission like that thing that I had to do
no matter what as you said right like
the thing that I couldn’t not do MH was
serve Bitcoin I would even tell people
they’re like what do you do now you’re
out of the Hedge I’m like I work for
Bitcoin yes I work for Bitcoin like what
does Bitcoin need I will do that and
this has become the thing so um yeah I
think if
you explore that space that free space
that you can create for yourself by
going off the unbeaten path right and
pioneering your own way you’ll find or
you can find find I won’t say you will
find you can find that mission or thing
that you can’t not do and that leads to
a whole another life so yeah and I think
when you build up this metabolic
machinery and you turn yourself into a
man or woman of value it’s almost like a
law of nature that I think God will drop
that thing in front of your face that
you’ve ultimately created but God will
give that thing to you and something
else that helped me a lot that I
actually think you might have un
potentially done with Michael sailor is
I remember feeling so much pressure to
record those first podcasts and like who
am I I don’t have anything figured out
but then I had the mindset of well what
if I’m just the Enthusiast the the
Curious Enthusiast that’s asking the
guest the right questions and then
facilitating conversation and then you
do that enough and then people look at
you as the expert even though you’re
just viewing yourself as the Curious
Enthusiast and I think that takes a lot
of pressure off of it of like just focus
on creating a show where you’re asking
really good questions with people that
you admire and you’ll build a brand just
off of that and you’ll you will become
an expert as a part of that process
absolutely um another thing that really
helped me was something I learned from
Jordan Peterson he’s
like if you want to overcome I would I
would qualify I don’t know when I was
younger I guess it felt like social
anxiety like social settings like big
groups this is why I tried to do public
speaking too it’s like I need to go
towards that fear and get better about
it but something Peterson said was if
you ever feel that anxiousness or social
anxiety is like just really focus on the
person that’s talking like put all your
energy into listening and like it’ll go
away cuz all literally all of your
faculties are tapped into them you’re
not going to have any extra bandwidth to
be like oh how do I look or how do I
it’s like you’re just all you’re all in
right and that has served me really well
I think in the like I really try to
listen and of course it’s not it’s
difficult right because you’re also
trying to ask questions and you know so
it’s it’s a it’s a balancing act but
um I want to ask you one last question
yeah so you have mentioned God several
times in this
conversation what does God mean to
you it’s a perfect question to put a bow
on this conversation but what I would
say I was raised Catholic I have two
amazing parents that are also Catholic
went to church every single Sunday
growing up um kind of fell into
westernized college behavior of drinking
and womanizing and turning my back on
God and having anxiety and honestly just
feeling like I was pissing my potential
away and then one of the things you talk
about um carnivory leading me to bitcoin
I think carnivory actually led me to God
in a sense and what I mean by that is
once I built this Baseline of great
metabolic health I felt like I was able
to explore things or have faith in
things that I maybe would not have had
faith in before cuz I didn’t have enough
confidence in myself as a man and one of
the things that I was noticing because
I’ve always just been like attracted
towards like male mentorship and people
that I can look up to that’s one of the
things we were saying in your kitchen
earlier is like men just need other men
that they can look up to that show them
the path I was finding that the men that
I looked up to the most that I was
interviewing on the podcast um they were
eating the right foods and they almost
all had faith and particularly faith in
Christ mhm
and so I then found a great
non-denominational Christian Church in
Austin and I think the amazing thing
about a non-denominational Christian
Church versus you know an Episcopalian
Church or a Catholic Church is those
churches are great but they’re very
focused on ritual um and I think there’s
a lot of guilt that’s put on the average
churchgoer where what I was Finding in a
non-denominational Christian churches it
was purely focused on your relationship
with Christ where God the Father father
loved you so much that he literally sent
like his only begotten son to be able to
die for your sin and understanding what
that actually meant like the sacrifice
that Christ went through and you know
I’ve studied a lot of other religions
but my personal perspective is I found
that that’s the only religion that’s
like really rooted in love and
relationship and I just felt really good
when I would go to church and the church
that I go to in Austin is is this really
small church called Thrive it’s only 50
or 60 people the pastor Pastor Scott has
an unbelievable story of transformation
and he’s just another person that’s
rooted in the truth where he just views
himself purely as the facilitator of
your connection to God and is just
trying to offer his perspective and his
experiences and he’s been humbled so
much by life that he doesn’t put himself
on a pedestal at all and I think a lot
of people that I share my faith with
they almost have this like really
negative visceral reaction and my
counter to that is like that’s that’s
what they call Church HT or like you
know what you experienced the negative
effect that you felt in church or
whatever that was that wasn’t actually
God that was a human misinterpretation
of God right and as soon as I devoted
myself to him and started reading more
scripture and praying and one of the
things that you mentioned for you is
it’s Jesus and it’s Socrates and you you
vet those two individuals with every
decision you make you know I’m
definitely not anywhere close to perfect
but a lot of times I will ask myself you
what would Christ do in this situation
or what would a good Christian man do in
this situation and um I don’t know if
there’s anything that’s transformed my
life more to that so it’s kind of a long
wted answer to your question no it’s a
great answer and this is
something it’s been strange dude because
I I don’t I wouldn’t even call myself a
Christian right as I told you in
there and this has only been over the
past four years that this transformation
has occurred for me I just try to
imitate Christ and imitate Socrates
Christ more from a moral ethical
standpoint like asking oh how would
Christ address the situation like he’s I
look at him and again
this don’t I don’t even need to get into
the theological debates or even the
historical debates if this whether he
ever lived or not whether he is God or
not like it almost doesn’t matter it’s
just the stories that exist are a
mythology of archetypal human
consciousness so you could just ask
yourself like what would this guy do
based on the stories I’ve read about him
that’s the only relationship I have and
that’s useful right that’s like a useful
technology if you want to talk about it
in a very secular
sense um that you can have this
relationship with a character and a
story if nothing else but it’s a useful
relationship for addressing real
situations in real life and then for
Socrates uh I look more to emulate him
from a rational standpoint right he
questions everything the most famous
phrase for Socrates is the only thing I
know is I know nothing at all right so
he he had this reverence for the
limitations of
knowledge and you know there aren’t
there are no final answers right there
is no totalizing knowledge knowledge is
a tool that we use to map reality but
the map is never the territory so if you
start to mistake the map for the
territory you can get into very
dangerous territories like
totalitarianism right where they have
the final answer the final solution so
this idea that Socrates just
systematically questioning everything
all the
time um these so these two and now
there’s less debate about whether or not
Socrates ever lived right and there’s
well well Jesus I think there’s a lot of
evidence that he did live but there’s a
lot of people that think it’s all a
fairy tale but again I don’t think it
matters because at the end of the day I
haven’t met either one of them all I
know is like the writings that are about
them and those writings have been very
useful for me in my day-to-day anal
acted existence so if you just wanted to
call it a technology that’s fine with me
too you know and um so yeah we I don’t
know I talk about these ideas on the
show just like that and then as I was
sharing with you it’s like you get these
strange things where after a podcast
someone’s like oh thank you that you
helped me find Christ and I’m just like
whoa I don’t feel qualified for that but
thank you and um I don’t it’s it’s kind
of like Bitcoin like I don’t want to
tell anyone bit coin is the answer right
bitcoin’s I mean obviously I’m a
proponent of it but my real prescription
is to just study it’s like study Bitcoin
read about Christ read about Socrates
read about Buddhism read about dosm read
about Hinduism read about you know Islam
all of these things and come to your own
conclusion but but
don’t I wouldn’t dispense with them like
as if they were just adult fairy tales
because that’s how I used to look at it
and I’m just here to say that I was
wrong yeah and if you if you can’t
humble yourself enough to say that
you’re almost like saying that you know
more than the
collective intelligence of humanity
since the dawn of time because those
stories are still with us since the dawn
of time more or less they’re here for a
reason yeah right like you’re not the
one that figured it out that oh this all
[ __ ] it’s like humble yourself a
little bit maybe and just read them and
see what you find there’s a lot of
wisdom there so anyway I I didn’t mean
to go on High tribe again but it’s
like there’s so much stuff on social
media people like I can’t believe you’re
talking about God and Christianity
you’re such a whatever like they’re
making fun of you or especially in
Bitcoin there’s a lot of rational
atheism yes and it’s like I’m still
actually kind of in that camp in a way
but I’ve come
to have a deep humility and reverence
for the limitations of knowledge and if
knowledge is limited then anything we
can say or talk about there’s something
Beyond that mhm and you could put the
word God to that for me yeah it’s like
just just a word for that which is
beyond
words I’m not saying it’s limited to
that but there it is that’s enough right
to to justify it practically if if you
will yeah you’re you’re open enough to
realize that you’re on this journey your
thoughts have changed a lot over the
last couple years and regardless of
whether you believe Christ existed or he
didn’t just his mere presence in your
life has been a huge additive and so for
me when I those those rational atheists
I’m like the hubris to just like
definitively say that you know that God
doesn’t exist is so wild to me just to
be able like you okay so you know that
this masterful Creator just doesn’t
exist at all yeah it’s huous yeah it’s
extreme huous and I would just prefer
like if we have to go through life some
way I would I would prefer
to have this mindset that there is a
loving Creator out there that’s given me
these incredible things like I prefer to
live a life of Faith just like the faith
that we both had that we can heal that
faith is a massive part of the healing
journey and I would prefer to have that
too and one of the other things you know
when I would speak to people in the
nutrition space or the Bitcoin space I
would find that these people these
bitcoiners knew far more about currency
than I did and I wanted to learn about
that these people in the nutrition space
learned a lot more about food and then
with Christians that I was talking to
the interesting thing about that was I
found these Christians were a lot
happier than I was so I remember
thinking to myself I’m like if you’re so
smart why are you not happy with your
life so maybe you should learn something
yeah no it’s it’s well said and uh to
each to their own and I’m
just yeah talking through my journey as
I go and I’m not trying to prescribe
anything I really I always say above all
Freedom right like I’m not here to tell
you what to do I don’t think you should
anyone should tell anyone what to do we
should share our experiences and then
that’s how we individually kind of zero
in on what we that thing we talked about
earlier right of all the things we could
do what’s the one thing that you can’t
not do yes I’m not here to tell you what
you can’t not do that’s for you to
discover um but I’ve found value in
these stories that I previously wrote
off so you know use that if it’s helpful
or not yes what is it what’s the Bruce
Lee quote of like pick what’s useful
discard what’s not and just ship it into
what’s uniquely your own something like
that yeah which is the algorithm of
evolution and Innovation itself right if
it works keep it if it doesn’t discard
it done simple as that yeah I think
that’s a lot of our podcast is literally
just keep it simple yeah exactly Brett
man this has been a very fun
conversation thank you for joining me
here in Miami um is there do you have
any final words or would you like to let
people know where they can find you on
the internet yeah brother um as I
mentioned you know obviously very
special for me you know as I followed
you from afar from a long time and I
think again another benefit of social
media is like you can find people that
you used to look up to and turn them
into friends when you build something of
value so I would just encourage everyone
from that perspective but yeah tw
Twitter is probably the best place to
get a hold of me it’s @ meat Mafia Brett
um our Instagram is just the meat Mafia
shared page so that’s just @ meat Mafia
media and then the supplement company if
they are interested in getting some of
that nutrient-dense pro protein powder
is noble origins.com and that’s it man
awesome dude thank you so much
appreciate you brother
a
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17 Comments
Bitcoin going proof of steak? Lol
I'm a raw milk guy. Love it. Not sure if you can have it on carnivore though?
Never clicked on a video so fast! Bitcoin, meat and the Carnivore way of eating. Sign me up.
I LOVE TRUTH!!!
Lol I watched game changers and became a strick vegan for a year and a half. Became a Bitcoiner in the middle of that. Now I am a carnivore for about 1 year now along with fasting most days and extented fasting every other month. Bitcoin doesn't just teach you about money, it opens your eyes to truth in general.
Correction: Ansel Keys was not “convinced” of a plant based/carbohydrate diet, he was bribed by the voluturous food industry to promote it knowing full well the profitability of non-food AND the deleterious effect it would have on our health! It is nothing short of evil.
Became a maximalist and a began eating lots of red meat and eggs around the same time but the two were separate discoveries after watching this it totally makes send that I adopted the two at the same time
Excellent info guys! Thank you! My food philosophy is now proof-of-steak. But my money is definitely only proof-of-work!😉. People yearn to learn through other peoples' lives, struggles and wisdom. Btw – religions create dogmas, workout routines have dogmas, diet routines have dogmas…and Aetheists also have dogmas. So is Atheism not also a religion? Spiritualism is simply one discovering one's self.
Bitcoiners fighting food inflation
Beef, Body, Bitcoin
Guys, why aren't you talking about Eledator?
Why just hold your coins? Use Eledator to earn some passive income.
"Freedom is the ability to do what you need to do." Nisargadatta Maharaj
Can I pay for my Noble protein with btc?
Two of my favourite topics rolled into one. Bravo Robert and Brett
My favorite podcast thank you so much god bless
I really do applaud this episode and the very wise comments for both especially Robert at the end digging into the question about God. My only feedback for Robert is two things. One you mention is so many words you believe evolution of humans. This is also a state driven psyop to brain wash people into believing it. Last you always mention doing the homework on Bitcoin and agree but then say things like Jesus may not have been real. Do your homework on this. Look at historical evidence, archeological evidence. The truth is there Robert and believe it keeps encountering you so you will dig in and be chosen. The choice is yours friend. With Love, God bless!