Cowboys Break: Predicting the Pick | Dallas Cowboys 2024

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great with ambar Garcia Brian bris
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Eagleton it is Wednesday April 24th 2024
season 20 episode number four there’s a
lot of 20s and fours in here welcome to
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today we’re getting you ready for the
NFL draft it takes place it starts
tomorrow round one uh tomorrow round two
and three on Friday and then the
remainder of the rounds on Saturday
we’ll have Wall to coverage Brian will
be a part of that Patrick will be a part
of that Amber will be a part of that
everybody it’s all hands on deck to
cover the draft uh we hope you will join
us for that but today I want to start
first by talking a little bit about the
press conference that happened yesterday
uh Jerry Jones stepen Jones um and Mike
McCarthy all took some time with the
media to answer questions and uh it felt
a little less about draft and a little
more about uh Team Building 101 and and
salary caps and and everything else else
uh but I want to First go around the
room and just get General thoughts on
what you heard from the press conference
any particular things that stood out to
you uh that you would thought that you
thought were particularly interesting
Brian let’s talk start with you yeah um
again this is my opinion coming from
1053 The Fan uh from the outside of it
and uh you know I do the work here with
you guys but I felt like this is the
first time Stephen Jones doesn’t like to
talk about contracts generally he
pointed the finger yesterday at the the
agent Community a little bit on some of
these contracts and and I mean this in a
way that uh you know when he was talking
about hey these guys talk these guys you
know they they have they have ideas they
know numbers and all that usually the
Cowboys are a team like Hey we’re not
going to comment about that we’re not
going to comment I sense some
frustration with Stephen Jones yesterday
and the fact that he feels like that
some of these agents again their ability
to talk to each other and then maybe
holding up deals we always I know on our
end of it give the Cowboys a lot of
grief for what happened with some of
these contracts it’s a two-way street my
experience of working in the National
Football League is you have to have
people that are willing to make deals
with you if you’re going to do this but
a lot of us blame the Cowboys for not
doing deals and to me I sensed
frustration from Stephen Jones which I
never had before but I felt like he
pointed the finger at the agent
Community a little bit yesterday and
said listen we’ll do deals it’s going to
be the right number but we’ll do deals
and so you know I I and I think he’s
right I think the the first time and
this is my opinion that the first time
they did the Dak Prescott deal you had
an agent that was switching from one
agency to another he was not going to
put new money with an old agency and I
think that’s why you got held up on a
deal I think agents are holding up on
deals now we saw a big deal today for a
wide receiver which is good the lions
got their deal done with st Brown good
for them but you have to have people
that are willing to talk to you and
willing to negotiate along the way
I sense frustration from Steven Jones on
that front yeah there was definitely
some frustration um and a little bit of
defensiveness from both Stephen and
Jerry as far as the team building the
questions that they were kind of violing
back and forth and uh it seems like it’s
a situation where if you go back and you
look at last summer you look at what
they were able to do with Trevon Diggs
and getting that deal done early right
that’s ideally what the Cowboys and how
they would like to handle their
Cornerstone players but it’s a two-way
street as Brian saying agents the
representation for these players have to
agree with the numbers that you’re
presenting you have to agree with the
numbers they’re presenting and then it’s
bigger than numbers it’s how do how’s
the money breaking down what’s the term
etc etc so uh clearly there is some
frustration there um it seems as if
there’s some frustration with where they
are in the cap as well uh Jerry saying
something like we need we’re embracing
um not having cap space obviously that’s
not going to go over well with fans
because the fans are looking around the
league they’re looking at teams like the
Philadelphia Eagles and howy Roseman
they’re looking at what the Rams were
able to do uh you know in the Years
preceding what ultimately turned out to
be a Super Bowl F then picks and and
push the cap Faro goes right they want
to see the Cowboys be that kind of
aggressive and finesse and massage the
salary cap in those capacities but uh
Stephen said you know the Cowboys
they’re focused on making this draft one
of the best ones ever and now you don’t
really have a choice that’s that’s kind
of where you are CU it has to be your
defao free agency so biggest takeaway
from me for me is that the Cowboys are
frustrated that they don’t have these
deals done on at least one of their
Cornerstone players of the big three
Micah which is has a little bit more
time but cidd and Dak you want those
done right now um but interestingly
interestingly enough when I positioned
the question in front of Jerry Steven
and Mike regarding the possibility of
drafting a quarterback if there’s a
premier quarterback steering you in the
face at 24 you have uncertainty with Dak
Prescott going forward you have
uncertainty with Tre Lance going forward
if it’s staring you in the face what do
you do and hence Jerry’s reply we want
Dak Prescott and that that that was one
of the more definitive statements that
Jerry said on yesterday and we’ll get to
that I did have one question for you
when you were talking about kind of how
they’ve constructed the team I kind of
took took the impression or got the
impression that what Jerry was saying
was we’ve spent the last three four
years being what they now we can all
question whether it really is aggressive
but they think over the last three or
four years they think that’s been the
period when they have been aggressive
and they have surrounded Dak with
Premier talent and had one of the best
rosters in the league and and now it’s
time to pay that bill like he kept going
back to hey it’s that credit card like
we’ve been paying yeah we’ve been paying
on that credit card all in didn’t work
right exactly that’s exactly it sounded
to me was that essentially they were
going these last several years they’ve
been pushing and we know every year we
get to off Seas they’ be like
restructure this guy restructure this
guy and it’s they were just trying they
were trying to hold it all together and
give themselves a little more chance and
keep that roster together and now
they’re going to have to embrace the
fact that they don’t have that
flexibility anymore because the rules of
the NFL don’t allow them to have that
flexibility anymore and they got to pay
the bill is that how you took it that is
how I took it but it’s two things are
true that’s true the bill will always
come due it’s also true that there are
levels of finesse when it comes to the
salary cap that I feel like the Cowboys
could slightly improve upon we talk
about teams like the eagles the Rams
there are teams the New Orleans Saints
in the Drew Brees era there are teams
that have shown that they’re operating
within the same rules the same
parameters that Jerry Jones and the
Cowboys mentioned yesterday so
vehemently but how long have they done
that though I guess is the question
because I I the way I understand it that
day is coming from for the Eagles here
in the next one two three years there
but and again we’ll see and I’ve said
this on
Twitter we will see so we we will see we
will see whether it gets there I’ve been
waiting now four years for that happen
but that’s where I look at it and I’m
like it if if I do know it happened for
the Rams and the Rams had to reset and
we saw that happen but they won a
championship and did it
effectively they did a nice set but they
also they did it with the draft after
they said f them picks right they
figured out how to do it with the draft
they get a guy like puka n and now
they’re back in the playoffs and ready
to run right but but I think I think
teams do have to go through this reset
it’s a matter of how effectively they go
through the reset when they get to this
point where the bill comes due because I
think the bill does come du it’s also
the timing of the reset so if you look
at it contextually for the Cowboys look
at the timing in which this reset is
occurring you are a head coach on this
final year that you’ve not extended a
quarterback of QB won MVP front runner
allp proo record Setter final year of
his deal not extended cidd lamb arguably
the best wide receiver in the league you
you want to get him extended Michael
Parson generational Talent the list goes
on and on the timing of such a reset it
it’s working against them but what also
makes it that much worse and we talked
about this we talk about it offline all
the time and this is why they’ve been
defending this statement and Jerry kind
of trolled everyone a bit with the
statement Allin the fact that Jerry said
Allin at the Senior Bowl and he did
playfully troll Everyone by saying that
again if he didn’t attach that label to
this offseason only to find out that
this offseason was going to be the
antithesis of that that’s what makes it
that much more difficult for fans to try
to compute what’s the vision here
because you’re right this is likely a
soft reset maybe not a hard reset but
it’s they’re not getting rid of the all
the parts but it is somewhat but the
timing of it is just very very bad I
think the thing that they’re they’re
really they won’t admit it but they’re
pissed off that some of the these
contracts didn’t work out for him I
think that’s the thing that’s bothering
them right Ste Stephen did mention that
a few I think if you if you had you
pulled stepen aside and you had it
Scotch with him the one thing if he said
could you do something over he said yeah
I maybe some of these contracts I
wouldn’t have gone the way I did you
know that that didn’t work out that and
and Jerry I think brought it up about
the money with Zeke and how it prevents
you from s signing Tyrant Smith you know
that maybe maybe some of these bad
contracts that they and then he said
Martin’s money yeah exactly Zach Martin
and we’re at training camp we’re all
sitting there and it’s oh it’s Day 26 of
Zack Martin holding out you know oh
watch that football yeah oh look out
yeah you’re about to get hit by a ball
but we love you butter but see that’s
that’s to me where I I think that the
the fact that the bills come due they’re
frustrated with the agent community and
that they’re also in a situation where
they made some bad deals and I think
that’s the one thing that pisses them
off they they’ve made a bunch of bad
deals in their life their businessmen
they’ve also made some great ones too
but I think if you if you pulled them
aside they would say if we had to do
something over there’s probably two or
three incidents that they would look at
and say we would be better we’d be in
better shape if we just had done this
our plan was this but it wasn’t good
enough see for me
um it’s easy and and if you guys those
who have not listened to the press
conference I highly suggest it because
like you guys mentioned it’s something
different very different than what we
are used to watching and hearing from
those guys Jerry Jones Steph Jones even
Mike McCarthy so it was uh did Mike talk
I’m just barely J Jerry drug him in yeah
I’m
good Jerry made Jerry made him an
offensive line expert
did no but um what I was goingon to say
so to me and I’ve been one of those and
I’m not a cap expert don’t care to be
one it’s very because so many different
factors of it it’s so complicated but I
was one of those sitting on this show
with you guys several months ago of like
okay why they have the ability or that
they can restructure X Y and Z and they
haven’t and it’s easy to judge that way
and sure maybe there are some contracts
that it’s like okay it didn’t pan out
and I highly highly truly believe that
they missed their chance last year that
was the year where they had everything
they needed to
get was the and not only did they miss
it they missed it in a way that was so
just demoralizing yeah exactly so where
I’m trying to get at once you start
peeling all the layers and laying
everything out all the contracts and
everything and you start going through
it and really analyzing everything you
start giving them some Grace and
thinking okay well crap you’re really
you’re really tied you cannot do
anything because it’s not a one year
it’s not this year thing you have to
look at next year the following year you
have to look even sometimes four years
out to where things and the money is
affecting you so even though I don’t
know all
the disclosures in contract and all of
that it it’s not as simple it’s not as
simple as because I’ve been there myself
getting upset and been like why you see
other teams doing this and that but I do
know this Jerry Jones he’s a great
businessman so I know he has great
people that know how to handle money and
distribute and all of that so I know
there is a history there of people that
are actually very very knowledgeable on
the job and how to move money around so
anyways the point is they’re they had
their chance they all in was last year
and then now they’re just having to pay
all the receipts this is Jerry even said
it it’s like you have your bank account
but you know you have all these bills
and now you’re giving plasma so you can
get 10 bucks so you can eat dinner that
night you know you know you your bank
account looks really good and then all
of a sudden you realize You’ve Got A
month’s worth of bills coming up I think
they’re to the point now and maybe it’s
maybe it’s going to be sacrificing the
quarterback here maybe it is I I’m just
I’m just saying they’re looking at it I
think that we can’t kick the can any
further down thead road we can’t we
we’ve kicked it as far as we can as a
group we agreed last year was their best
opportunity now you have to pay the bill
we’ve all had a great dinner you know
we’re all we’re all liquored up and
ready to go home you know but somebody’s
got to pay the bill and now they’re
having to pay that bill and they yeah do
they have the money do they have the
switches sure they can’t I think they’re
to the point that they’ve made the
decision like we’ve kicked this can as
far as we can we can’t do it anymore and
so that’s why I think they’re in the
position they’re in right now I was
going to say here’s here’s because I
like to put on different hats to look at
things from different angle so from a
Jerry Jones Steven Jones perspective
salary cap yes they don’t want to kick
the can they can restructures Diggs and
Malik hooker and it can happen but they
don’t want to because that bill is how
they’re VI the Bill’s too much now but
then put on Mike McCarthy’s head yeah
now he will never show this visibly and
he might not even it might not even be
an internal thought for him but if I’m
Mike McCarthy and I know that I only
have this final year to prove myself
what you’re basically asking me to do
which is fine because I’m up to the task
but the reality is reality is that
you’re asking me to deliver you at a
Super Bowl esque run yes with a with a
lot of young talent that you’re asking
to step up which will include a class
full of rookies yeah but I but but you
but you know last year I gave you a team
with all these pro bowlers and so you
know what Mike McCarthy really honestly
and I’m not saying this to be mean he
does doesn’t have a leg to stand on
right now if you look at the way we’re
talking right now if you look at last
year as the all-in best
chance as a as an organization they
didn’t deliver and he’s he’s at the top
of that the general manager’s at the top
of the list but then the head coach is
the next so Mike McCarthy as he looks at
this he’s now gonna have to play the
hand he’s dealt he had a winning hand
that’s fair he had a winning hand at the
table and but they drew the the dealer
drew a straight flush on him you know I
mean cards you know how that goes he had
the hand to win that’s true they didn’t
deliver and now he’s got to look at this
and say I had my chance if they move on
you know I don’t like it but I
understand but I think also I’m growing
a little tired of the conversation that
paints the picture that the Cowboys are
now this team that has no Talent like
that is they’ll never they’ll never be
back my point when you say when you say
well he’s kind of dealt his hand where
the team is I look at it I I really saw
this and and I it was interesting it was
on 105.3 The Fan the other morning I
heard Sean and RJ and Bobby uh they were
citing an article where this this writer
had done use artificial intelligence to
be able to identify the rosters and rate
The rosters AC crowd in the NFL you want
to know where Dallas fell in that it’s
up there number seven seven number seven
and and I’m like okay so yes it’s not as
good a roster as last year because it
lost a lot of its depth one thing we
know about this team is they tend to
draft pretty well they’ll replenish some
of that they will never be bad for that
reason they replenish some of that maybe
they won’t get it all back but they’ll
replenish some of that this is still a
good enough roster to go where you want
to go this next year now who knows what
it’ll be beyond that because again I I
look at it when people start saying they
have all these lovers they can pull it’s
like a person that’s now falling into a
well they’re already in a hole and
you’re throwing them a shovel instead of
a rope like if you yeah they could push
these levers but pushing these levers
definely just going to worsen the
problem it’s going to put them farther
down in that hole I agree it just
doesn’t solve the problem so it’s not
really a solution to say you can push
these you can pull these levers and and
and restructure these guys and push the
money down the road you really don’t
have that flexibility anymore it’s best
to say let me pay my bill let me get out
of debt let me be fiscally responsible
and then I can restart and say okay now
I can get aggressive again I got my
money back to where I need to have it
now I can get aggressive again I think
that’s how you have to approach I just
never feel like I feel like this team
will always be in this I don’t mean this
is a slam to Jason Garrett they’ll
always be an eight and8 team as long as
they let these guys draft they will they
won never fall below that they will
figure this out they will find a
quarterback they will find Talent around
as long as they let them pick players
you know give them compensatories let
them uh assign UD uh undrafted free
agents maybe dabble in the free agent
Market a little bit if they can they’re
just too good at Personnel here you know
they really are they know they’ll never
be that now they’ll lose players but
they will find ways to replace these
guys and and let’s be clear because and
I’m on record of saying this but let’s
be clear for those that are listening I
believe the Cowboys have plenty of
talent right so if you go back to the
statement it’s youth so if I’m putting
on the McCarthy hat it’s not that I’m
concerned about the talent it’s it’s the
youth and that lack of experience and a
lot of unproven guys look at your
running back’s room for example before
you enter this draft it’s a lot of
unproven experience and you’re looking
at these unproven guys and saying you
have to take us to a Super Bowl right
you have to help us take go to a Super
Bowl now of course again as a coach
particularly a guy’s competitive as Mike
McCarthy you’re you’re taking that
challenge on on and I love what you said
and that doesn’t really have a leg stand
on he and to that point though combining
with what you said yes the Cowboys have
a lot of Talent on this roster but they
hemorrhaged talent talent in free agency
so if their best shot in recent memory
like you said umber was this past
January and that fell short with that
roster and now to your own admission the
current roster as we have this
conversation is less talented still
talented but less talented than the
roster that failed in January now you
can see where fans get concerned yeah
that’s where Sam Williams and Tolbert
and these guys Ste a samam for Tolbert
is is Tolbert needs to play better
because Michael gallup’s gone you know
and all those Edge rushers are now gone
Armstrong Fowler Sam Williams you need
to step up and play better you know
Junior foko they drafted you for a
reason you know you have to figure out a
way Mazy Smith you got to figure this
thing out you know so to me they the
talent the talent we talk about young
Talent they’ve got talent ented football
players the problem is they’ve got to
play like talented football players and
youth ain’t always a problem look at the
Green Bay Packers look at the Houston
Texas from last year AG both rosters
were just Litany of young guys who were
just getting into the NFL and figuring
it out and got the opportunity so if we
trust the fact that they can draft well
then trust these guys to get out there
and play and let’s see what they can do
when you give them that responsibility
about to see that you’re absolutely
about to see and by the way I want to I
want to see I want to see some guys that
they’ve they mentioned like a Sam
Williams we’re going to get into some of
this a little bit later we’re going to
take a break but I want to see a guy
like a Sam Williams if you give him more
opportunity what does he do with it
because more maybe more P we don’t know
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we’re going to dive into the actual
draft a little bit more talk about the
defensive side of the ball some areas
where we think the Cowboys may need some
help and maybe get some names of some
guys that that you should be aware of
heading into the draft tomorrow we’ll do
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right let’s talk about the uh the
defensive side of the ball heading into
the draft got a simple question for you
guys which would you think of these
three areas is the biggest area that
Dallas needs to focus on in the draft
this year defensive tackle defensive end
or linebacker
jump in Garcia what do you
think
um defensive tackle defensive end or
linebacker that’s
a tough question cuz I have my doubts on
uh defensive tackle and linebacker
uh
okay right now I think
I trust a little bit more the
linebacker position than the defensive
tackle and that says a lot because you
got the marvan Alan coming back from an
injury highly unknown he’s only played a
few you know in the preseason and that’s
it then you got you do have the veteran
that you signed and there’s some
experience there Krick um yeah
he his age I don’t know I’m I’m still
like waiting to see even though we’ve
talked about him and all of that but he
he has the experience uh with Mike
Zimmer and all of that that he brings in
but going back to defensive tackle and I
get it Ma Smith I trust the evaluation
and the reason that he got drafted in
the first round and everything but right
now nothing that I saw last year and
that this doesn’t mean that I’m giving
up on him at all whatsoever uh this is
his second year and I’m excited to see
if he has grown there but
I just don’t feel like I trust the
position at the moment especially with
all the issues that you had at stopping
the run the linebacker should help at
that as well but at the moment I have
defensive tackle a little higher than
linebacker yeah one of the best players
on the in the draft is a defensive
tackle Byron Murphy from Texas he’s but
he’s a three technique the problem
you’re running into is you don’t have a
true one technique here because you’re
trying to figure out what you’re going
to do with Mazy you’ve lost the depth
with henkins walking out the door and
others so you really don’t have a one
this draft isn’t particularly deep for
one technique guys either uh McKinley
Jackson from Texas A&M is a guy that’s a
326 pound guy he’s probably a fourth
round pick on a lot of boards you don’t
have a fourth round pick you have a pick
at 87 unless you get another pick and
you’re you know that’s to me that’s it
would be you it’s a little bit of a
reach if you pick him at 87 you know now
you’re now you’re trying to uh use
valuable third round draft Capital to
make up for a position that you drafted
last year in the first round because
you’re not sure uh the linebacker
position goes a little bit deeper here I
think these linebackers on your board
are kind of trade back guys if say some
of these offensive linemen are not on
the board for you or you don’t like the
particular tackle or your Center’s not
there then maybe you can find a way to
trade back and then this is where uh
pton Wilson the linebacker from North
Carolina State comes into play Cooper
from Texas A&M comes in play coulston
the linebacker from Michigan comes into
play here so to me it’s the linebacker
gets addressed on a tradeback
potentially first the defensive tackle
unless you want to take Byron Murphy and
again that’s a three Tech you got jump
up to get him though right that’s what
I’m saying there’s some people that feel
like that maybe that if he were to slide
if he were the one guy that all of a
sudden there’s such a run on offensive
players yeah that they lose track of
Byron Murphy then you know that might be
the best player on your board yeah but
he plays a position that you you have
Oso Digis who I think is a really good
player but he you know Murphy and Osa
yeah it’d be great to have those two
rush in the passer but we still haven’t
addressed the one technique now does
that Mazy Smith you know we’ll see how
that plays but I only feel like that the
defensive players will be there or
potential for the drafting of a
defensive player if it’s a tradeback
that’s where I think that that’s and I
think they would probably address the
linebacker before they would address the
defensive tackle would be my guess as
well uh I’m obviously a build defense uh
from the front to the back type guy so
my inclination is to say defensive
tackles um but going into the draft
before they make any any selection I
keep defaulting to the linebackers only
because they’re are more and bigger
unknowns at linebacker so at linebacker
as it stands you have Deone Clark you
have Eric Kendrick and then you have
which basically would be a red shirt and
de marvion overon coming back from a
torn ACL so he has to get back to form
healthwise and then he has to get
through the rookie learning curve at one
of the more cerebral positions in
professional football but when you look
at the defensive tackle position yes we
have questions on what will Mazy Smith
Smith look like in year two what will
his weight look like in year two is he
going to be a three held to a three at
current weight they’re looking to bulk
him up but is it going to be bulky
enough to put him back at one at the
nose tackle um but that’s not as
concerning it is concerning but it’s not
as concerning as demarvion overshown and
how quickly can he get to form and
become um you know potentially a premier
linebacker in this league we talked
about Osa outstanding talent I have no
concerns about Osa other than he’s going
into a contract year we’ll talk about
that when we need to talk about that but
osa’s Talent is ready to go right um
Chanty gon he shown flashes mostly a
special team sky but when he’s been
given the chance rotationally on defense
particularly on the back half of last
season he showed some good signs
concerned there as far as unproven but
there’s a potential to do something
there so even before they they make
another pick or before they make a
single pick the defensive tackle
position in a vacuum to me is more
important than the linebacker position
but based on the pieces that are on the
table I’m more concerned about
linebacker than I am defensive
especially like Brian said I mean just
using the pick last year on Mazy it’s
hard to imagine them picking someone at
the defensive tackle a high pick or one
of the first pick this this draft
stretch is pretty good for you on the
edges so I wasn’t worried so much about
grabbing an edge uh I think that the the
you’re going to have to be creative to
get a defensive tackle though especially
one if you’re want a One technique yeah
that’s it’s and it it might be a little
bit of a reach uh and that’s the hope
that if you pick up if you say you drop
back to you you you could go back heck
you could go back to Tampa and pick up a
fourth round pick that that’s helpful
that’s only going a couple of spots but
you know it would be it would really
benefit you if you could grab a day
three early pick because when you pick
at 87 and you don’t pick again till
171 that is a long day of all of a
sudden guys going off that board and
you’re just watching them and you and
you have no way unless you jump back in
somehow and stop the bleeding you can’t
call a 20 second timeout and try and get
back you know maybe you do but uh it
it’s it the the the trading back aspect
of this if their guy is not there I
think they have to be prepared to try
and go back and heck you could take this
thing all the way back to Kansas City at
32 and pick up a three and pick up a
four and that would do you some great
things get a three andap four yeah wow
yeah yeah that could be huge yeah you
trade to San Francisco you trade to
Baltimore Baltimore’s the team I don’t
think will come up Baltimore is a team
that traditionally will just sit there
and good players fall to them happens
every single year I’ve ever been
involved with a draft so to I think
aggressive teams Buffalo aggressive team
I think uh San Francisco’s an aggressive
team I think Kansas City is a very
aggressive team uh those are those are
guys maybe even Arizona at 27 might be a
team that you start to talk about
there’s some people when we were doing
the draft show Nick Harris was talking
about maybe trading this thing all the
way back into the top of the second
round you know looking at pick 34 35 and
picking up some draft Capital that way
they might feel like that is a better
way to operate than than just going
ahead and picking a player at 24 yeah
bottom line is the Cowboys have to go
into this draft not even considering but
knowing that they’re going to have to
get at least one trade back done uh
hopefully more than one they need
they’re going in with only seven picks
what three in the top 100 if they’re
going to have to get more in the top 100
preferably more in you know at top 150
at worst so if you look at and Shameless
plug my my annual mock that’s on
dallascowboys.com Brian brings up an
excellent point Kansas City I played
around with maybe trading with Kansas
City going back to 32 get that third
that fourth I ultimately ended up with
two move back two trade backs the lions
from 24 to 29 and I got the Lions um
73rd the third pick 73rd overall pick
and then when I went on the clock at 31
guess what the 49ers wanted to call and
make an offer because they’re unsure
about Brandon IU right potentially so
got their third round pick which is 94th
overall so before I even went on the
clock at 31 I had two third round picks
point being the Cowboys need to both be
making the calls and Fielding the cause
and being open to see what they can do
uh I do think it’s possible that they
trade out of the first round entirely
the my only asterisk to that is this is
a team that recently hasn’t been
successful at getting deals done on
their Premier Talent early which means
they probably want that fifth year of
control over their first round pick so
keep that in mind when you’re
considering how willing or unwilling the
Cowboys might be able to trade out of
the first round yeah that mean to your
your point on your Detroit trade that’s
about a 225 difference on point
differential and that would be a massive
overpay for Detroit but how bad do they
want a player sometimes you can get a
team that really wants a player and you
can get a massive overpay on that so
right and to qualify that because
Detroit correct me if I’m wrong they
don’t have a fourth round pick they
don’t so they put the fifth round pick
on the table along with their first for
the swap fifth round pick wasn’t enough
for not enough I said no and you don’t
have a fourth which would have been the
sweet spot so you got to come to the
third and they end up taking JC leam
which makes sense I was was thinking
about Detroit as a possible not trade
back because I think they’re going to
have to give up next year’s assets to do
it and I can’t play with next year’s
assets I have to think about so to me to
me another thing you need to concerned
about is I don’t think that if you look
at this draft Minnesota’s picking ahead
of you right now at
23 I would bet that somebody other than
Minnesota is going to pick ahead of you
so there’s another team that might have
a need that you have that’s all of a
sudden I mean keep an eye on New England
uh diving out of there uh you know and
listening talking to their folks about
it they they shoping their pick that so
you know if if Minnesota could package
their their two picks and go up and get
their quarterback like I say there could
be somebody very very different other
than Minnesota picking ahead of you and
that’s uh that’s something you have to
worry about all right we’re going to
take our final break we’ll come back
we’re going to get some predictions from
these guys on what we think will happen
on tomorrow and on Friday in the first
three rounds of the draft we’ll be back
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that’s the most important thing all
right so let’s uh let’s dive in I want
to get some some ideas some predictions
from you guys of what you think is going
to happen let’s start first with the
first pick and I’d like to know from you
guys two things one who do you think
they’ll pick two who do you want them to
pick I personally I’ll start this off
because I’m supposed to be the draft
expert here I’m a big fan of uh Jackson
pow Johnson the center from Oregon uh
I’m starting to hear some more medical
improvements there were some things I
was very concerned about I talked to two
or three different teams about I have
not talked to the Cowboys about what
they think about his medical condition
but he’s the best center in the draft I
I’ve gone on record I feel like that
this team has to find a center and if
you’re going to draft a need that’s go
for the first one that’s Center I think
is the the one position that I would
look at I’d love for them to be able to
draft him uh I I think that when you
look at Barton from duke is another
possibility uh there you’re going to
have to walk a Minefield in front of you
and everybody once again knows I was
trying to alert you about that Minnesota
pick and if it’s not Minnesota it could
be somebody else it could be somebody
that’s going to sell maybe that team’s
going to sell the pick we’ve Dallas has
had this happen to him a couple of
different times where there’s such a
need everybody’s thinking that Dallas
needs a Center Dallas needs a tackle D
you know all of a sudden you get a team
like Buffalo last year a couple years
ago maybe traded ahead of you for a
tight end you know we’ve seen teams try
and trade ahead Philadelphia did it one
year for Dallas GD traded ahead of you
because they thought you were going to
take a tight end so if if you know
Dallas is trying to keep this very quiet
and very much buttoned up but man if if
they could draft one of these centers
Powers Johnson from Oregon Barton from
duke I think that would go a long way to
helping them uh fix some of the things
they deal they’re dealing with this
offensive line a g well do not look at
me for information about the draft and
do not look at me for any any other T
tackle or or Center which if you had
Center Center but
the main guide and I’m I’m trying to
think it’s just be if it’s because I’ve
made my own opinion about Powers Johnson
or if it’s because I’ve been kind of
secretly brainwashed because I’ve seen
his name everywhere so may you know you
start getting seeing things everywhere
and just implants into your brain but
he’s a guy that that has attracted me a
lot and that I can see him fit pretty
well with the Cowboys and and the o line
and be a plug-in guy immediately and and
hopefully not have a huge growing curve
to to do but I do still think that the
Cowboys will be trading back however
there’s still the possibility of getting
a guy like uh Po johnsen and he and
regardless if it’s not him my pick would
be whatever pick they make first o line
it has to be and I have
I I trust it a lot in the sense that so
far what the Cowboys have done over the
years they’ve been very successful of
drafting linemen offensive linemen so I
trust that whoever they do pick and go
for would be a guy that will be
efficient and good for the Cowboys not
only this year for years to come that’s
well said I think they’re open-minded in
the aspect of like you said offensive
lineman right I think it it’s just down
to Center versus tackle and they’ll see
how the board Falls there I think
what’ll work in their favor um if you’re
like Amar if you’re like Brian and if if
you’ve read my mock massive spoiler my
first round pick is Jackson Powers
Johnson that’s who I absolutely want um
but the medical uh situation and I’m
glad to hear that it’s improving it’s it
is I talked to two teams again I did not
talk to the Cowboys but talked to two
different teams and there was some
concerns with some various things and
they’re like no no no clean this is
clean on some these areas that have the
concerns so so what I’m wondering is
because of the presence I hope they
think that as well because of the
presence of those medical concerns
regardless of which team are worried
about him or not you don’t necessarily
have those with a guy like Graham Barton
which I believe that’s going to make
Barton go off of the board and if
reports as early as this morning if they
hold true and teams are making a run on
offensive tackles and that’s going to
push the Cowboys more so to Center and I
think Barton is gone before they even go
on the clock at 24 I think that uh poers
Johnson is someone that you could trade
back right potentially get a fourth or a
third and still he’ll be there for you
later uh in the first round so I would
love that’s my dream scenario is that
you can go back even 31 32 whatever you
need to go it could be in the 30s and
you’ll still get Jackson Powers Johnson
and I just have visions of him you know
bookended by Zack Martin and Tyler Smith
you talk about fixing the Run game you
talk about protecting the middle of the
offensive line those are three bullies
that’s what I want to see and I love
what you’re saying I think you’re going
to have to draft the center I think if I
trade back I could take one of these
tackles and you know the names but
there’s some names that I think that
when you when you look at uh fanu from
Washington is a possible name I I I
asked somebody about laam in the league
I asked a general manager about laam
from Alabama he said he says he ain’t
getting to you Brian uh gon has been a
very very popular name the name you need
to keep an eye on is Morgan from Arizona
if they trade back into this thing keep
an eye on on that particular I think
they could play him at guard or they
could play him at tackle there he’s
really a talented player we talked about
him a bunch on the draft show very early
and then like media Scouts kind of fell
off from him and then he became a guy
that was kind of a late one maybe early
to so Dallas trades back in that because
maybe the centers are wiped out and and
and and Patrick I’m not poo pooing your
idea about P Johnson being the trade
back situation but like I say if the
medical stuff is improving if people or
like there was there was a legitimate
scare about him and the medical
conditions and like I say I had a I had
a general manager tell me no this is
this is what the league is going to see
with this guy now so I kind of feel like
those centers might be the premium The
Tackle depth stretches a little bit more
so if you go back to to that 31 32 maybe
even come out of the second round uh I
would keep an eye on on Morgan from uh
from Arizona you know I would I would
love for them to come away from this
draft with Barton and it’s not
necessarily for what he does right now
although I think he can step in
immediately and be your Center and be a
really good Center for you I like his
his flexibility and I’m looking at two
to three years down the road let’s say
Zack Martin as we know he’s coming
closer to the end of his career if
you’ve already got a guy that has that
ability where now you have to you can
pop him out to guard if you needed to if
Zack Martin should say retire in the
next one to three years that feels
really right to me and I that’s why I
like a guy like Barton who has that
flexibility because I do think right now
your offensive line is in a little bit
of a a I kind of feel like TJ bass is
that guy
right at the Right Guard they will tell
you they feel like that TJ bass is a
better Right Guard than left side I
think it’s so I at the end of the day I
love the flexibility that’s my point I
love having that flexibility off like we
when they selected Ty Tyler Smith like
the no one projected him necessarily to
be your guard he was going to be the
tackle but he got it guard and he was
really good at it so I just like the
flexibility give me a guy that can play
there’s people that there’s people that
feel like that what if you drafted
Barton and you turn around and drafted
another Center and you played Bart and
at guard and then okay maybe you maybe
they don’t want to move Tyler Smith but
would you you you now you played Barton
at guard you played Tyler Smith at left
tackle and then now you’ve drafted uh
NORAD from the Penn State Center like in
the fourth round yeah you know if you
get a fourth round you get one of those
extra picks and that might be an optimal
five right that that’s that’s what I’m
saying that if you I they could double
dip on these offensive linemen and I
would and I did in the mock and you
mentioned flexibility
so in on my on round three so on that
73rd overall that I was able to get from
the Lions and maybe he falls to 87 who
knows Dominic puny yeah from from Kansas
uh absolute he’s flexible got him in the
right spot right you put him at guard he
can do some damage you put him at tackle
he won awards uh last year for Kansas at
left tackle so that gives you also that
added flexibility that you’re looking
for and that’s a guy strong uh quick for
his size and he’s a guy who can come in
and be a starter immediately and down
the road post Zack Mar it gives you that
that much more Firepower to say okay
well we know you do well at left tackle
maybe we try you here but to Brian’s
point I do think TJ f is your post Zack
Martin at
right ability keep an eye on like from K
is Delmar glaz from Maryland’s another
guy I mean here’s a guy that’s played
left and right tackle for Maryland and
projected as a guard so at 64 315 pounds
he wins he’s got body position he plays
with leverage he’s he he’s engaged a lot
he shuffles SL I mean there’s a lot of
things about puny Delmar glaze from
Maryland those are those are two really
good players but I love the fact that
the conversation is centered around the
offensive line because I think when
you’ve got a young team and they’re in
the position from as Jerry talked about
it yesterday where they’re going to have
to pay the bill and all those kinds of
things the best thing you can do is
solidify your lines you solidify your
lines that’s the best thing you can do
for a young team because no matter what
other the other pieces are that you may
be able to keep or have to get rid of
know en enjoy that Byron Murphy pick
yeah right hey the line we’re we’re
talking about the lines we’re talking
about the lines offense defensive line
give me the line all right we appreciate
you guys joining us tomorrow uh make
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A quiet free agency means the Dallas Cowboys are under that much more pressure to make the right call with each of their 2024 NFL Draft picks, and the panel gives predictions on who gets the call in Detroit.

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