Blaine Higgs on parental rights, gender identity, and being labelled “far right”

Blaine Higgs on parental rights, gender identity, and being labelled “far right”

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you’re tuned in to the Andrew lton
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show all my life I’ve wondered how to
get a standing ovation and apparently
it’s to walk on stage with Premier higs
so thank you for letting me bask in that
and thank you to everyone for being here
this morning I I love the format of the
fireside chat mainly because it’s Ottawa
and you need to be by the side of a fire
to survive for nine of the 12 months of
the year but also we get the chance
especially in front of an audience like
this to delve into some of the issues
that I don’t think you get on your
average CBC panel and uh that doesn’t
mean we’re going to give you a totally
Easy Ride on this premere but I I do
want to give you the chance to talk
about issues that I I know matter to
people in this room and those watching
from Beyond and normally you try to warm
up to the controversial stuff but I feel
like you can take the controversial
stuff because you’ve been quite a leader
on this issue so let’s start with
transgender issues and parental rights
because
let start there and then we’ll see how
it goes because this is an issue that we
understand why other premieres have
taken actions they’ve taken in the last
few months on this in a lot of cases it
was because you had and they had their
own supporters pushing them to do very
similar things you were the first one so
let me just ask you when you put that
policy forward that required parental
consent for for gender changes for
reidentification at school why did you
go there
well thank you for the question Ander I
I guess the point was it that we um
throughout this whole duration of being
in politics I came at a time when I
already had a career and and I wanted to
bring a lot of um ideas that I learned
and decision processes I learned but
also on the foundational principle that
you you know you do what’s right and and
the rest will fall in place now that
doesn’t always work in politics it seems
but nevertheless that’s a philosophy we
live by and and through this whole
discussion it became a policy that kind
of got into our educational system
without a whole lot of discussion or
detailed discussion um with our caucus
and after the election of 2020 and then
a little while after we started I
started asking questions about it in
detail and then when I read the
paragraph that basically caused teachers
to hide information from parents and to
do so as part of the request of the
policy I you know this just wasn’t right
this this this isn’t the foundation of
families that we we we build on and it
was interesting my wife and I talked
about this and and prior to to making an
issue and um by the way we’re we’re been
married for 46 years this summer and uh
four four daughters five
grandchildren are very close to our
family and and the the idea that we
would hide information we thought what
would we how would we like that if that
happened so uh so then we started
bringing it as a question and then then
we saw some of the curriculum that was
being taught in the on a parent or
school day a school teachers day um and
and you’d say or professional
development day what it’s called anyway
you’d see you’d see wow where’s the
curriculum here that involves Math and
Science and and literacy and en numeracy
where where where’s that in all this so
so the challenge was how do you have the
debate on a sensitive issue recognizing
the reality of it all but finding a path
to do it and I think that we have walked
away from too many controversial issues
and that is why we’ve seen um kind of an
erosion of what we might have always
considered standard it becomes
normalized and and it’s not because it’s
normal it’s normal it’s different and
we’ve are a society that that absolutely
recognizes and and supports all of our
differences but let’s not exclude family
as part of that
process it was an issue that for someone
like me who who doesn’t follow New
Brunswick politics explicitly and I I’d
say probably has done so a little bit
more thanks to you and and stuff you’ve
been doing there it was not something
that was really accurately
defined by the media what you did I I
think before I read the actual yeah it
is well as we heard from the last panel
it’s okay they should have just been
watching reading the line and and other
outlets like that but you were doing
something that was a relatively moderate
proposal and even a lot of people that
are in the parental rights space that
have been advocating for something
similar were saying well it’s a
compromise he’s he’s not going far
enough it’s a good start but you were to
the activists that were against you it
was as though you had gone so far you
had done something so radical you had
done something so far right as the term
I mean did you ever imagine that you
would be labeled as far right when you
were elected as Premier uh you know
going back to to 2013 and and why is
this issue one that has been maligned in
that way well just recently I was asked
about um a case of the far right and
isn’t it isn’t it amazing that in
today’s world far right is as is having
parents involved with their kids is
isn’t that amazing so I say that tells
you how far the spectrum is actually
moved and and how we need to find a path
forward but but in in analyzing kind of
what we wanted to bring forward is let’s
address this and then looking abroad
looking what’s going on in Europe
particularly what’s going on in Europe
about how they manage real issues around
gender dysphoria but how they look at it
as you know getting the right process
for treatment and and through
psychologist psychiatrists to understand
okay how do we manage this because it it
in some cases it’s very real but in
other cases it’s it’s a process of kids
growing up and that’s where parents are
that one Continuum of on in their life
and so so we just say okay we want
parents to be involved and no I didn’t
imagine it would be such a controversial
issue uh because it seems like such a um
a basic fundamental principle that we
all cherish one of the things that I
find interesting though is that there
are a lot of issues that tend to be
within the domain of what we would call
social conservatives and these issues
tend to get uh treated as political
third rails you can’t talk about this
you can’t talk about that this is an
issue that I think is very much in align
with where a lot of social conservatives
wanted to take Society but it seems to
have a broader appeal I mean the number
of folks that I’ve spoken to that have
supported what you’ve done in New
Brunswick or what Premier Danielle Smith
has done in Alberta that would not
identify as pro-life would not identify
as anti-gay marriage but on this issue
they’re there what do you make of that I
mean how has there been a coalition that
does seem to be very large not just
within the conservative movement but
even with in society itself behind some
of these
policies I think the risk we’re facing
in in um in Canada and the and the risk
that we see in the US is is we’ve we’ve
drifted so far from what people look at
as common sense and and how to manage
the next steps and we’ve drifted
ideologically so far that all of a
sudden people kind of say whoa this this
is got this has to be addressed so I
think what we’re seeing is okay here’s
something that’s so basic so fundamental
and yet it’s an issue but it will cause
us I think to all be part of of of of
the solution and when I think that we
put teachers in a position to not be
truthful with with a child’s parents um
why aren’t teachers speaking up and
saying you know we need to be part of
this and when we when when we talk about
okay this is this can be irreparable um
surgeries that could happen to young
children why aren’t doctors speaking up
and saying okay we we believe we need to
manage this we need this how it needs to
be done um I I refer to the European
model now that this the you know Sweden
Norway Denmark the UK have all changed
their policies to look at a different
way to deal with the with the problem
always recognize there’s a problem and
always recognizing there’s a way to
protect every individual um in their in
their beliefs and how we manage through
that but but not just ignoring um the
the reality of what makes sense and
what’s real so so I think that’s the the
purpose for me is that we need to find
the moderate approach here and sometimes
the definition because you saw what
happened in in my in the brunic so we
are a progressive conservative party but
people jump on one side of the other
wholeheartedly without trying to find
the balance in the middle and that’s
what we’re trying to find and sometimes
it creates a bit of a firestorm my wife
will often say when I come home at night
what fire did you start
today and I and she said I was reading
the news I said that’s your first
problem you shouldn’t do that as long as
it’s true north we’ll we’ll forgive her
all right fair enough there’s one need
good for you let me ask you before we
get on to that definitional problem
which I think is tremendously important
did you anticipate that you were
starting something that would become a
pretty National wave and I I’m curious
if you had other conversations with
Premier on either way that say Hey thank
you for breaking the seal on this so we
can or what the hell are you doing do
you realize what my caucus expects me to
do now well yes we we certainly have
talked um amongst um colleagues and
certainly um you know I I um had
discussions with many many and many of
different views and that’s what we are
in Canada but but I I certainly um look
at what um Saskatchewan is doing and
what and what um Daniel Smith is doing
in in um in Alberta and and I I guess
I’d like to think that at the end of the
day we’ll find a solution that that
doesn’t seem to be far right it just
seems to be really right and I mean by
that it’s it’s it’s such a a correct
path forward and and so in those
discussions and did I think it would
turn into a national thing no that
wasn’t discussion when my wife and I
talked about this and I said you know
this is going to be the week we’re going
to we’re going to talk about this um we
both realized this could be um the the
issue that either continues Us in
government or takes us out but we are
both prepared to say fair enough and
um
so and I I think there lies the whole
challenge that we have as a society as
politicians as members of any profession
which I just stated Healthcare and with
with um education is to say I will do
what I believe is correct I will voice
my opinion in a very respectful
mannerful way to to improve what I
believe needs to be improved and it
doesn’t have to be protests and blowing
horns and jumping on the street but it
has very adult discussions that say I’m
not afraid to talk about it let’s talk
about
that Progressive conservative name
because that that’s always been to many
people an inherent contradiction and you
have some people people in the
conservative family in this country that
say no I’m a proud Progressive
conservative and that means something
very specific to them you have others
that just sort of tolerate it because
that’s the name of the party and we also
don’t have in Canada the harmonization
of the federal and provincial uh right
leing parties which is why you have this
Patchwork from BC where you now have two
Waring parties that are are going for
right of Center votes and you have in
Alberta a complete unique situation
there I’m curious how that I was just
trying to gloss over that but I heard a
l that was that was apparently a laugh
line for someone from Alberta but I I’m
curious about your perspective on that
in New Brunswick because you’re a
progressive conservative Premier and I I
think that a lot of people would say
that you are putting forward very
Ironclad small SE conservative
principles with no need for a a
qualifier there but how does that affect
your navigation of of that Coalition
that you have in New Brunswick and also
how New Brunswick fits into the Canadian
conservative family well it adds a kind
of a new dimension of of um I won’t say
confusion but certainly um an irony
there that exists with with the two with
the progressive conservative because
some people will grab a hold of the
progressive piece and some people will
grab a hold of conservative piece and
then you have to kind of bridge that
within within caucus and and as you know
back last June I didn’t bridge that very
successfully um because I had six member
of caucus that basically stood stood
against the government and voted against
the government um so so it does bring an
issue but but I think at the at the same
time it’s it’s how how do you have the
discussions how do you and I in coming
from a business world and I know people
say well you know sometimes you you just
move along too fast um I’ll have a lot
of meetings a lot of debate a lot of
discussions and there comes a point in
time where you just got to get on with
it and um so we got on with it last June
after numerous meetings in caucus and
such but there were six individuals
maybe eight that um that were not not
happy with that and and it causes ank so
you can see the political um upheaval
that kind of creates and um we were we
were joking here coming in talking about
because I did in a in a state of the
province I I did as people didn’t know
if I was going to run again and I put a
song at the end of it an old Clash song
that said should I stay or should I go
and and uh kind of danced off the stage
but this this time uh when we did the
state of the province there’s a lot of
great things to talk about in The
Province and and I was thinking my song
should be the Elon John one that um I’m
still
standing because but I was recommended
against that but well Premier higs is
leading karaoke and the Shore Club
downstairs at uh at 10:00 eastern time
but I I’ll ask you on that Premier When
you mention those six members that left
your caucus do you view that as
being if I can just use a blunt word a
failure of your leadership to keep your
party together or do you believe that
the Coalition was too broad and those
people really didn’t belong in your
party in the first
place no it’s a challenge that I you
know probably if my interest was how do
I survive the next election then I
probably would have found a different
way to try to manage through it but I
wouldn’t had the same
result and that I think is what happens
to many of us as we get watered down in
our own beliefs because we’re trying to
peace the
masses uh we had diverse opinions but
that goes two ways it goes two ways that
okay five 80% of cauas that are on side
and want to move forward and I have 20%
that don’t it’s rare forever you get a
consensus Within caucus of of un just
just doesn’t doesn’t happen um or
extremely rare so so the point that okay
we have the majority of caucus we’re
ready to move in this um and the
minister of Education he and I we ready
to move we presented we’ve talked it was
time so yeah we could have talked about
it a lot longer but I didn’t see an end
in sight it was going to be we were
never going to convince some all the
while we had we had full support of as I
say 80% of the caucus but let me extend
that thought to its logical conclusion
here because if it sounds like I’m going
to do one of those it sounds like you’re
saying things uh that like Kathy Newman
and Jordan Peterson but I’m I’m going to
try to actually represent what you’re
saying or at least as I understand it
that there’s a risk for conservative
parties of trying to be too many things
to too many people and that this big
tent which is often viewed as a feature
of the conservative movement actually
carries its own cohesion challenges oh
it does absolutely does and what you’re
seeing is I mean we see the liberal
party I mean if you want to talk about
farle I mean how far can you get um and
this isn’t a political don’t challenge
them this is not a political discussion
though is it I I for um but but the idea
and and you see to your point you raised
earlier that that’s where the spectrum
is going and everybody everybody is
taking oh well I’m way over here on on
the left side and and I think that is
our job as
conservatives to find the the the way to
have the detailed discussions and the
Frank discussions and I’m I’m saying
that what I’m excited about and he’ll be
here a little later Pier PF what I’ve
seen from the rallies he’s had in in the
Bruns week and the people that are
showing up we went to a rally the
average age was probably
35,200 people I think that’s just
wonderful to see young people coming
into our party and getting
involved since you mentioned Pierre pev
who will be here at 11:30 and not right
now as some people were disappointed to
see me on stage but he has been touring
the country on his it started as the axe
the tax rally and now it’s the spike the
hike rally and I think there’s going to
be another rhyme next week but uh the
galvanizing issue for the federal
conservatives right now has been
opposing the carbon tax and this has
been an issue in uh certainly in your
Province as well uh we’ve seen provinces
sue the federal government we’ve seen
the Supreme Court side against provinces
on this and then I think for the most
part the federal government’s carbon tax
was pretty safe until they decided that
you know Atlantic Canadians with home
heating oil needed a bit of a car out
and then it sort of undermined their
their whole premise here and I’m I’m
curious for you first off how much of an
issue is that uh electorally speaking as
you gear up for an election for for
people in New Brunswick this this carbon
tax but but also how do you anticipate
this going when you have a federal
government that right now doesn’t even
want to meet with Premier on this issue
which is I mean Justin Trudeau loves
talking and he loves people having to
hear him talk but this is like one
opportunity to uh sit down that he
doesn’t want to take because he doesn’t
want to hear what the premier like you
have to tell them well it’s it’s
disappointing but you get used to it um
so so sometimes you don’t bother but we
are bothering so there was a a question
asked that oh well if other provinces
have a solution then then let us know so
so the the idea for us in New Brunswick
and worldwide really is to is for Canada
to punch well above its weight in terms
of reducing World emissions we can talk
about our 1.8% of world emissions and we
can cause everybody and every household
across this country to spend more and
and have less and do less or we can say
we’ve always been a nation that’s rich
in energy it has it has given us the
lifestyle we have but it’s also given us
the ability to help others so isn’t it
sad when I was in Europe a few years ago
spring talking to different people it
was after the the invasion in Ukraine
and they’re saying all through this
we’re absolutely shocked that a country
as rich as Canada is not supplying any
energy to your Europe to offset Russian
oil and gas absolutely
shocked so so when you think about that
for a minute we’ve spent how many
millions or billions to help Ukraine so
on the one hand we we Supply arms and uh
to the war which we’re not reging we we
want to do that but but then on the
other hand we’re allowing them forcing
them to buy Russian oil and gas and
finance from the other side so then you
look at what can we do about that in
addition to supplying what we have here
on the world side we in NE brunic we
have 77 trillion standard cubic feet of
natural gas sitting waiting to be
developed out west this is happening we
have an LG plant that is that is waiting
to be converted to a export facility it
is it is an import built built back 15
years ago so we have Supply we have
Market we have four countries right
without even asking saying we’ll sign up
for a 20-year
deal we have 174 coal plants in in
Europe we have China building coal
plants at the rate of of two a week 100
a year they operate 1,00 coal plants for
every coal plant that’s shut down by
natural gas we reduce emissions by
50% so you say wow we have an
opportunity right here in New Bron Lake
to shut down coal plants totel energy a
major one of the world’s largest energy
companies said one of their key pillars
of their four pillars is to develop as
much actal gas worldwide as they can and
shut down as many coal plants as they
can because it’ll have a bigger impact
quicker impact than anything else that
is happening and at the same time the
affordability issue in our country goes
goes away or diminishes greatly because
we’ll use those same resources to fund
technology research development and when
do people start using and acting
differently you know I think years ago
about the film industry when when
digital photography come along where
would you find a film camera now when
and the same thing with the LED lights
well now you just look for LED lights
because of of their their brightness and
their energy consumption when we have
the ability to have that sort of
technological advancement people will
change their Ambit we will be able to
meet the requirements which we cannot
meet today from the federal policies we
have we are putting forward a policy to
to to the I actually have it
coincidentally here with me but um and
it’s called no tax
required just support us developing gas
and shutting down coal plants in the
process and I’m submitting that letter
to to the Prime Minister and saying
here’s an option you wanted a solution
here it is but think out of the box
think bigger think of the impact that
this country can have on worldwide
emissions not in our own little bubble
of
1.8%
M I must say I’ve been quite surprised
that Justin Trudeau keeps inviting
European heads of government and state
here because every time they come they
all do an interview with you know vashy
capelos or something and say oh I’d love
to buy LNG and then Justin trau has to
come out and say ah There’s No Business
case but I it is quite I mean it’s a
joke but it I mean a lot of the
government’s a joke but there’s a
particular absurdity to this that you
have people literally lining up to buy
something you have industry lining up to
sell something and the only to
appropriate the language of one of our
next speakers the gatekeeper is the
federal government and we’re not even
looking for an issue here it’s not an
issue where someone is looking for a
subsidy they’re looking for permission
exactly and and that’s the sole
absurdity here it’s actually quite
despicable you have industry you have
buyers you have an economic argument for
it you have an environment argument for
it and a federal government standing in
the way and I mean as a premier do you
feel like this is just bad policy or do
you feel this is illegal policy this is
government actually violating its
constitutional requirements to respect
what’s supposed to be your domain all
the above um and it’s not the only one
right and there’s um it’s kind of we’re
getting used to the bad policy phenomena
from from Ottawa the the the the concept
I think of of this is for us is that we
don’t need Federal money your points
business case out out west they didn’t
need Federal money it was bad law that
that caused them to have to buy a
pipeline and now was what four or five
times more in expense to tax Bears we
don’t want them to have any part of this
we we said just leave us alone but you
can’t put rules in place that say if
you’re if you don’t have a plant up and
running by 20 30 or whatever the number
20 28 um then it can’t run for more than
five years or it has to be shut down
like there’s a there’s a new clause in
that that basically developers are say
no no I need a 20-year Runway here so so
you can’t do that that so policy is
causing a problem and then and then the
reality people generally people are are
starting now with the affordability
issue all of a sudden wow this is uh
this is kind of a bite and and and in
your point about um about the the the
break on the it it said well polls Trump
climate change didn’t it really that’s
what it said the big message is that oh
if you can do it in Eastern Canada why
can’t we do it elsewhere but I think the
bigger message is why can’t we do
something better and and that is the
challenge and the prime minister is in
this ideological frame of mind that the
better just doesn’t register and um so I
keep pushing that give us the ability
and and be part of the solution to help
promote the right legislation but also
then then that gives the First Nations
more of an understanding of okay I can
be part of this now because because
obviously to do a development like we
want to do in NE brunic we need First
Nations to be part of that and they will
they will be major major benef
benefactor of of that
and so I’m I’m excited about that and
we’re working through that with him but
again it requires policy that says it’s
okay so what relationship would you like
to see because and I’m going to be
speaking with with Premier Smith
tomorrow and I think Alberta has
generally as a matter of survival had to
be a lot more forceful against Ottawa
for you know much of the last several
decades but when you look at that
relationship that you would like to see
the one that you have now the one that
possibly Pier pev assuming he’s elected
would be able to provide you as a
premier and assuming you win your
re-election what should that look like
well I’ve always been a strong
Federalist for for a good reason um not
only the national pride of our nation
but also because and I also believe in
that Alberta and and sukatan but Elber
particularly has been paying the bills
for a long time in this nation I think
they would agree as well yeah and
uh and I know several years ago as as a
um you know a maritim that that you all
know are are we were um a recipient of
transfer funds at about 30% of our
budget but you know I I’m not proud of
that I’m honored to be part of it
because it makes a lifestyle in our
Province Equitable with other parts of
the country but but this project that
I’m talking about to develop I’ve always
said and I’ve said it for many years and
nationally and when I’m in the meetings
with my colleagues I don’t believe that
we should be in a position not
developing resources that we have which
are the very ones that we’re relying on
that for from from Alberta to pay the
bills I just don’t think that’s fair
yeah I actually think they uh moved
Danielle Smith to tomorrow because they
were worried if you were here the same
day she would ask for the money back I
think that might have been the the the
risk there but as we talk about the road
forward I I know you and Premier Smith
have actually had quite a good
relationship and uh for a lot of reasons
you’ve had a common foe in in the
federal government in Ottawa I wanted to
ask about a policy that you’re
championing uh in New Brunswick that is
coming up that I know Alberta has done
as well and is also one of these issues
that I think is
becoming one where there’s a fair bit of
national momentum and I I don’t know how
much is public so I think you know what
I’m talking about those so I’ll just
give you the floor on this well and it’s
our Compassionate Care intervention bill
that we plan to bring forward in the
legislature in May um and it is a tough
one because we’ve had some very
significant incidents in our on the
homeless side in our Province over the
last two months we’ve had um you know
homeless individuals that have lost and
had to amputate their legs because they
froze Frozen we’ve we’ve had two deaths
here recently back about maybe two two
three weeks ago that that basically were
tent fires and and uh people trying to
keep warm and I called the daughter of
of um one of the victims that died in
the fire and about a week after or less
and I knew that he he would certainly be
upset for good good reason but of course
it’s all kind of um you know things we
could do better as Government and I
don’t deny any of that of how because
because we shouldn’t have the situation
but i’ made a statement about how do we
convince people to come off the street
when you know they are not capable of
making the decision on their own you
know their life’s at risk and how do you
find a path to say wow safety has got to
play a role
here and and of course the the the
question is well we can’t do that if
they don’t want to come they don’t want
to come so where does our Humanity kick
in and you say I know that individual
won’t be alive in the morning so what
we’re trying to say there are extreme
cases that we can analyze and and find a
a solution so person does not suffer the
lifechanging issues that they suffer
from being exposed to the elements and
then of course it’s the whole concept
about um how do we find a path out of
drugs and addiction I am not a supporter
of of continued um drug being on a on on
a program that continues to to keep a
person um addicted to drugs I believe in
recovery you obviously could not be
geographically further from British
Columbia I would argue politically
further from British Columbia too but do
you look at British Columbia and see a
very useful model for everything to do
the opposite of you know it’s funny you
say that because that’s exactly what I
was going to say they have been a
perfect example of what not to do H and
and
so why do we pretend otherwise and I’ve
had I had just this week met with
several people that are serving the the
U homeless in the frederickton area and
and we talked about some of the
challenges but for me it’s like okay how
do people get here and and how do we
find a way that that we can find them um
out how do we find a way to to to help
them return to a normal life and what is
normal could be very different for
different people but but the the
interesting part came back to well if
someone doesn’t want to go they you know
they can’t give them help and I asked a
question because we’re looking at a um a
mental health and addiction treatment
center because along with addiction the
mental health plays a big role um and
we’re working to develop that and we
have a building and such um but but the
the point that they they were raising
well if someone wants to go to be
treated they’ve got to have a place to
go immediately as soon as they say okay
I’m ready they got a place to go so I
said okay so that’s Friday night what if
they say Saturday night or Sunday night
or Monday morning no I don’t think this
is for me I don’t think I want to stay
here what do you do then well you have
to let them go well I said how many
cycles you get into for that because you
just keep going around and around and
around so it isn’t n of those tough
discussions but we know homeless
situations are increasing we know NE
brunic affordability played a role we’ve
had an increase in population like we
haven’t seen for a 100 years and and
property values have gone up um nothing
like we’d have here in Ontario mind you
just for anyone wants to move to NE
Brunswick um the the but but the idea is
that it it’s it’s a case where people
genuinely have seen a step change in
their ability to afford where they were
so we need to not lose sight of them and
have them be exposed to to the situation
that we don’t want them to live and
become accustomed to and and so we have
to react quicker we have all kinds of
social assistance case workers and when
I said um asked the question okay so
what relationship do our case workers
have with the individuals on the street
how often do you see them
and one of the answers I got well
monthly monthly yeah when I’m handing
out the
check that’s not that’s not servicing
the needs of the people with the people
we have in the
system I would like it noted he ended as
the timer hit 5 Seconds you would have a
great career in radio Premier if uh the
next election doesn’t work out well
you’d get out get out in time for news
and traffic well uh Premier Blaine higs
you have uh put New Brunswick
conservatives on the map for a lot of
people across the country and I know
it’s been a pleasure I suspect for
everyone in the room uh it has certainly
been a pleasure for me so thank you very
much thank you thanks for listening to
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New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs joined True North’s Andrew Lawton at the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference in Ottawa for a wide-ranging conversation on gender identity, being labelled “far-right”, and the leftward drift of Canadian politics. Plus, Higgs describes the media backlash he experienced for taking a firm stance on parental rights.

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