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uses of future as Scotland’s first
Minister hangs in the balance as the SNP
leader faces a no confidence vote next
week Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister has
complained of the threat of those being
deported to Randa has led to more
migrants arriving in Ireland and two
former transport secretaries have issued
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Adams good good morning two men have
been charged with immigration offenses
after the deaths of five people
including a child in the English Channel
on Tuesday the 22y olds from Sudan and
South Sudan are due in court later on
today the Scottish first Minister’s
political career hangs in the balance
today as the greens are set to back a no
confidence Motion in Hamza usf’s
leadership he’s cancelled a speech he
was due to give at a university on
Independence as of yesterday the greens
are no longer government Coalition
partners with the SNP well political
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fight for him irony of ironies as you
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ash Regan now it’s worth remembering
that when Ash Regan defected to alabah
um last year um hza YF at the time said
that she wouldn’t be missed well now
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her to support him or else he’s out of
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Cara deine says it’s heartbreaking and
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he was tried on past behavior and not
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and founder of the MEO movement Tana
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because no matter what work we do they
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talk TV with me Jake Barry and today we
are asking you a really important
question that we want to hear from you
today I was amazed when I read the
papers they see here that the deputy
prime minister of Ireland says that
because people are so worried about
being sent to Rwanda it’s making them go
to Ireland basically from north to south
on the island of Ireland now I was
amazed by this because I thought well
half the time people are telling us this
policy isn’t going to work government
passed its random policy this week now
we hear from our friends and Neighbors
in the Republic of Ireland that it’s
working so well that there is a
significant statistical increase I think
as they put it of people leaving
Northern Ireland and going to the
Republic and that’s why we want to hear
from you because we want to know do you
believe that the Rwanda policy which is
passed by parliament this week is going
to work and if so why and we wanted you
to give us a call on 0344 499 1000 text
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top stories as political journalist Zoe
gromor and former labor special adviser
Stella chander kidu welcome to the show
thanks very much for coming on I I I
have recovered from my terrible Auto
like the team thought they could put one
tongue twister in there they might just
get two tongue twisters from a poor old
Northern boy like me I just but you do
so well with my last name Jak well there
we go Stella you you are a regular we
love having you on right so let’s start
with that big social question we’re
asking people to get in touch with about
the Rwanda Bill apparently it is working
so well already that the Deputy Prime
Minister of the Republic of island is
already panicking because 50% more
people are going to iseland from from
Northern Ireland do you think that’s
right Stella do you think no I call fake
news there this this is not enough
evidence why does that show that their
Randa bill is already working I think
what’s going on is people are realizing
that the UK is no longer in the EU and
if they go to Ireland then that means
that they can have Sanctuary is there
any such thing as an asylum Seeker from
Belfast or from the northern Island
you mean if they go to Ireland and then
they come to the UK no no I mean the
other way around so I I’ve often said
that I don’t really accept that people
coming from France are fleeing
persecution they’re not being persecuted
in France I know under the the remit of
international law that actually
technically they are an asylum Seeker
but I just point out how many Brits
actually go to France on holiday no
one’s fleeing persecution in France so
do you think we’ll hear from the
government of the Republic of Ireland
that these people can’t genuinely be
refugees or Asylum Seekers they’re
coming from UK United Kingdom a safe
country and going to Ireland you think
we’ll start to hear that rat well we’ve
heard a bit of it actually in some of
these comments already I think what
you’re going to see is that if someone
is is determined to come to the UK they
may go to Ireland as in the same way
that they went to France and then make
their way the point is they can’t get to
Ireland without going through the UK
First Ireland is an island the giveaway
is in the
title ER so what what what what’s your
question J you confuse me there no one
can get to Ireland
without the question is they’re saying
people are going from the United Kingdom
they have already managed to come to the
yes yes come on zo what do you think
well it’s just the same as what you were
saying about France which is that the
reason that Asim Seekers have to stop in
France first is because there’s no safe
and legal routes for them to get to the
UK without transferring through France
so you’re right that they’re in a safe
country before they come to the UK but
we can’t just say actually we’re not
going to present any other way for you
to come here um and therefore not quite
right to say there’s no safe and legal
RS
count lots of people have come from Hong
Kong quite correctly lots of people come
from Afghanistan there are there are par
there are for certain countries but not
for all these countries and we know
there are far more people fleeing we
well does Br have to take you know there
is the rest of the world why does
Britain have to take everyone well but
then but but we’re also being very pick
and choosy about who we will allow in if
they well but you can’t just rule out
entire countries I mean that’s not
that’s not fair is it surely I mean you
might want to talk about quot but you
can’t just so just tell me there I I
genuinely don’t know but do you know if
there safe and legal routs from say
Sudan to Germany are they I I don’t I
don’t would I don’t I don’t think the
point reason I asked that is I don’t
think we are a particular outlier I
think part of being a Sovereign Nation
is maintaining The Sovereign territory
in your borders I absolutely think we
need to have control over our borders
but I I think you’re running a double
standard when you have certain safe and
legal routes for particular people from
particular countries and not for others
think that’s very really so I think to
be quite relaxed about uh helping people
from Hong Kong because it was formerly a
British CH I think they’ be relaxed
about helping people from Afghanistan
particularly those who sort of fought
alongside British soldiers but they may
they may feel just a bit different about
Sudan or anywhere you have to ask why
and then you have tears of what’s
acceptable persecution for Brits and I’m
not sure that’s particularly fair is it
I think you need to have you you should
take everyone from everyone no I think
you should have a criteria so if you are
a for example if you are a pregnant
woman fleeing a war zone I think you
should be allowed in no matter what war
zone you come from do you not think that
that kind of level well I just guess if
you’re a pregnant woman fleeing a war
zone if you got to France she’d say you
know I’m in a safe country but what if
you speak English and you already have
family in the UK well apparently
apparently they’re all so concerned
about being sent to Randa we are talking
about people who enter the country
legally we’re not talking about so we’re
are talking about people who get on
boats and enter
the quite a lot of what those people are
doing is of course they’re jumping the
queue so pregnant women tend not to come
from war zones because they can’t make
the terribly perilous journey across the
land mass of you know Europe and Asia
wherever they may be coming from at
North Africa and then get on a dingy so
if you look at the people arriving in
the UK there are predominantly young men
they are not pregnant women I think
people would be more relaxed about
pregnant women coming through do you
think Stella By The same logic every all
all the refugees should just stay in
Greece then because that’s where a lot
of them enter the European Union so they
all just stay in Greece I mean there was
this interview of an asylum Seeker um I
can’t remember I think it was Channel 4
where he was being asked you know how
how did he come here and why did he come
here from Greece when he he had asylum
in Greece and he was saying oh I just
don’t want I didn’t want to live in a
tent there was nowhere for me to stay
and that’s why I came here and everyone
was completely enraged by this extremely
reasonable response to being asked why
did you not just stay in a country that
does not have the resources to provide
for you and I think there is I think
there is something very bizarre about
the kind of that we hold Asylum Seekers
and immigrants to while we think that
it’s a perfectly admirable quality to
have as a human being to want to work
hard and to better yourself and to
better the prospects of your families
when it comes to immigrants we think
there is something really evil and
corrupted about them wanting find the
best environment for I don’t know but I
think what people think is number one
why is Britain such a soft touch and you
don’t have to compare us to Greece but
compare us to France France houses less
than 50 or fewer than 50% of of the
migrants in the country actually housed
by the state in the UK we house all
migrants we put them in hotels we put
them working class communities across
the north of England they change those
communities they get you know sort of
houses rented to Circo perfectly good
terrorist houses that young families
want to occupy so that’s how it changes
their Community I think people look at
that and go why does Britain do no
wonder they don’t want to stay in France
if they’ve got a live in a tent why is
Britain such a soft touch a better
question is why is our Asylum backlog
the way that it is why are we not
tackling it what are we hiding from this
is what I don’t understand and if there
is a problem with how many asylums we we
can actually manage here then this is
something that we need to negotiate with
other countries to think what is fair
what is fair in terms of European and
international policy what are we doing
with refugees zo do you think there’s a
little bit of Shard and freuder in this
for the Irish Republic because of course
you know they they they were absolutely
and I actually correctly you know set on
the fact particular the European Union
they were sort of the European Union
sort of attack dog of brexit they were
absolutely determined there would be no
hard border on the island of Ireland
something that I accept as in the Good
Friday agreement and now they’re sort of
victims of that because they’re now
saying well you know hold on if there’s
a poorest border between the Republic of
Ireland and Northern Ireland all of
these refugees are flooding um they
didn’t say flooding they said coming to
coming to Ireland yeah I mean you know
this is the problem with these poorest
borders so to speak and this is also the
the issues that we see in Europe which
is that it’s very easy I mean I say
problem I’m kind of using you know this
particular example but you know you will
see um people free movement you see
people moving it’s very easy for them to
do so um but at the end of the day we we
knew this was going to be an issue we
knew this border between Northern
Ireland and the southern of irland was
going to be an issue and I think you
know as Stella says I’m not entirely
convinced that we are going to see a
massive influx of migrants into Ireland
I think that’s probably a little bit of
scare mongering um but not I mean this
is the this is the Deputy Prime Minister
says the policy is already impacting on
Ireland as people are fearful of staying
in the UK and they’re fearful because
they think if we’re in the UK illegally
we’ll be sent to Randa surely that’s
what the government has been saying all
along yeah is this will be a deterrent
people will leave the UK they go to is
maybe they just won’t come across on
France in the first place I’m surprised
this hasn’t been anticipated I mean has
this this not been anticipated between
government officials spoken about I mean
I guess this is this is an example of
why taking uh part of the you know the
United Kingdom out of the EU and and and
um having the soft border is going to
make it quite difficult to actually
Implement in practice well there is
there is no there is no border um before
we move on though because we’re going to
talk about uh Scotland next talking
about United Kingdom um we do want to
hear from you at home today because I
just think this is such an interesting
story about whether in fact there’s much
malign policy Rwanda I mean I I’ve done
this show for months and people have F
me said this will not work this will not
work this will will not work over and
over again apparently according to the
Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister this is
already working but if you have an
opinion on that give me a call on 0344
499 1000 text in on 872 or tweet us on X
talktv Zer what is
happening what is happening in Scotland
yes good question well we know that um
it’s looking really tight for humza
ussef now so um the uh Coalition between
the greens and the S&P has fallen apart
um ussef announced his plans to cut ties
with the green on Thursday they’ve had
this breakdown in relations following
the snp’s u- term on its climate targets
and now we’re just seeing piling in of
um S&P um sorry of snps uh basically
calling for a no confidence vote in the
leader and what we’re seeing now it has
been accepted is so there was a number
it needed to go past it was past it
labor party got behind it the the greens
are behind it the Liberals are behind it
the conservatives are behind it actually
the official opposition in Scotland the
cons ative uh um msps um but yeah so so
that is going to happen do we know what
day it’s so it’s one day next week uh
yes I believe so although I’m you know
there’s there’s always the chance that
ussef stands on the front foot and
resigns beforehand because who wants to
see a disastrous no confidence vote well
apparently he is hanging by a thread uh
Mr us youf not useless said it then um
and he’s made a right old mess of things
actually um Stella do you think this is
is going to precipitate an early
election for the Scottish Parliament
well it might you know because the
threat that you are talking about is
personified in asan the S&P MP who who
who who left the S&P to go to the Alba
party over women’s rights and
Independence and as Kevin sofield said
earlier she’s not the biggest fan of
Hamza yusf because he said that there is
no great loss for the S&P when he left
so this I think it was October last year
she did she jump Shi to the Alba party
the Alba part after the break to Neil
hanvey who’s one of the Alba who’s an
Alba Member of Parliament here in the
Westminster Parliament and he sort of
said you know good riddens bye-bye yes
and apparently now see how the tables
have turned she’s the most powerful
woman in Scottish politics at the moment
yeah she’s always been nice to people
unnecessary enemies I say that as
someone who’s got innumerable enemies I
I keep apparently being rude about them
on this show but so this is really
interesting so what technically is going
to happen and is that there’s going to
be this
vote Scottish Parliament is split
evenly uh this uh and but if he loses
the S&P there isn’t it’s a non-binding
vote of confidence first it’s not like
the UK House of Commons it’s non-binding
voter confidence the S&P have then got
28 days to go and Scrabble around and
try and find a new leader who can unite
them they obviously had just over a year
ago now a leadership election um do do
you Stella know that who they who they
might go for or Zoe have you got any
thoughts about well obviously the the uh
second place last time was Kate Forbes
and she was you know quite an
influential figure in the S SMP but
what’s really interesting about this is
it shows that the S SMP is actually not
a very United party IDE ideologically so
HS YF really was the kind of air to
Nicholas sturgeon quite Progressive he
did this deal with the greens Kate
Forbes she’s much more kind of conserv
she sound Kate Forbes is sound she’s a
great individual she economically
liberal she’s quite um she’s got quite
socially conservative values views on uh
gay marriage and abortion things like
that um and actually what you can see
here is there’s there’s some real
divisions emerging in the SM so you know
what I think this is really interesting
because I I was listening to this sort
of schism coming in the SNP this morning
and I just think they were all elected
repeatedly on a uh you know a a wave of
let’s get an independence referendum
through that unites them that belief in
Scottish independence I don’t believe in
it but they believe in it and that’s
going further and further away from them
it now seems inconceivable that in the
next five or maybe even 10 years we’ll
have another Independence referendum I’m
a unionist I’m very pleased about that
and then they’re all sort of going well
we don’t agree about myself and you know
what it reminded me of conservative
party my party because we were all
elected in 2019 get brexit done that was
the Mantra that everyone marched into
that election we’ve got brexit done and
then all the other stuff we don’t know
particularly what we agree and I think
that’s been a lot of the problems why
Boris Johnson lost uh his role of prime
minister and and why you know we’ve seen
all these difficulties in the
conservative party we are now coming
together but that’s why I think we’ve
had this difficult period I think you
can imagine labor now really rubbing
their hands together because they can
that exact attack line that you were
leveraging at you know the conservatives
they can now also say the S&P are
equally you know it was it was it wasn’t
an attack it was an analysis I it’s okay
your analysis but it it doesn’t it
present the perfect attack line for
labor they can now go to the Scottish
people and say exactly what we’re
experiencing Westminster you’re
experiencing Hollywood and the only
people who can sort out is labor I mean
they’re going to be absolutely loving
this I think it’s the lab party hasn’t
done that well in Scotti election the
conservative party is ahead of them in
in in the elections not in the polls but
in actual election results so I think
all of this shows us how volatile
British politics have been in the last
few years because I remember up until
even like two years ago you would talk
about Scotland and say how Kier starmer
needs to win more seats in Scotland if
they are to make it into the labor
government and everyone was looking at
Scotland and thinking it’s not going to
be this time it has to be the it’s it
has to be the next time around there is
no way that a kir starmer is going to be
able to cover all of this ground to make
it into D Dow Street because of Scotland
and it is because the S&P looked so
strong Nicholas tjon had done such a
good job and she used to even up until
like two years ago she used to look like
a completely inefable politician and
look who we are now her her image has
been completely tarnished by the scandal
with her partner and um she she she has
left she has resigned she has abandoned
FR well we’re going to keep watching I
always wonder about this the
conservative party famously has its men
in Gray suits every time a conservative
leader uh go goes off the rails
apparently I mean I’ve never seen it
actually but they talk about these men
in Gray suits who go and encourage him
to resign I’m just wondering if the men
in grey Kilts are going to be knocking
on ham of usf’s door uh today
um slightly further aboard I did you
watch question time last
night I didn’t watch question time but
how could I not miss the clip and please
tell me we’re going to watch it again
well we might we might have the clip in
in a moment but did you the clip let’s
watch this clip is it is worth
watching no I think there’s an exclusion
on people from Rwanda being sent to from
Rwanda they’re from Congo from and
they’re supposed con they’re supposedly
Waring these people from Rwanda are they
then going to be sent to Rwanda if they
came here on a Crossing from from Congo
yeah would people be sent from well Ian
Randa is a different country of Congo
isn’t it it’s a different country it
is saying if they come from a war zone
in in Congo would they then be sent
TOA well there you go that’s the uh so I
I did a level geography I think I might
have just I did Model United Nations
what your re that then I did Model
United Nations so I know you know D
Congo and Rwanda it’s a different
countries there is is there was a
conflict there I don’t know how he where
he was living whether he was living
under a rock but you know what it does
make me feel better because as a
foreigner who works in British politics
I was always very embarrassed whenever
people would mention like some random
place in the north of England then I
would have to like pretend like I didn’t
just assume it was you know a city in
Belgium or something Scotland is a
different country from England though
right what what did you make of that
these things that I suppose what our
viewers like to know is does this
actually you we’re all having a bit of a
laugh at Chris philps EXP it’s not least
why streeting you did the looky looky
eyes but does this actually matter or is
this a storm in a question time T I
think it I think it does matter I think
it contributes to this view that at
present the government is filled with
quite a lot of Fairly inexperienced
fairly Junior people because there’s
been so much churn you know it’s there’s
been so many the best people on the back
benches now that’s what I hear that is
what I hear so um you know I think that
kind of contributes to this idea that a
lot of these people don’t really aren’t
really on top of their brief don’t
necessarily know what they’re talking
about I mean I didn’t do model un but
even I know that Congo and Rwanda they
are different places um so I mean it’s
just the way he handles it you know I
think it just all these things all these
little embarrassments and these little
digs they just sort of they they they
build up cumulative effect well in all
fairness to my dear friend and colleague
Chris fo he did say it was a rhetorical
question so yeah but you’ve seen the
clip you’ll make your own mind up or
you’ve heard the clip you’ll make your
own mind up but our viewers know the
difference between Randa and Congo and
that’s why we are pleased that so many
of you are getting in touch to educate
poor old Tory MPS like me who might
struggle with it and um thank you for
calling in on 03444 99 1,000 keep those
calls coming in let’s go to our first
caller of the day it’s Bridget in suffk
who wants to talk to us about the Rwanda
Bill Bridget welcome to talk
TV Bridget
oh dear right Brit Brit maybe she
thought I was going to ask a very
difficult question in a level uh
geography or or not but maybe we’ll get
Bridget back anyway coming up we’re
going to be talking about Hamza Yousef
and the challenges he is facing trying
to save his government up in Scotland
I’m Jake Barry your with talk TV don’t
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and I can’t stop laughing so he
suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
potato that’s quite small statue then
wasn’t there also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker you don’t really need
one of those in chaga Square you just
got to walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything was he just unlucky getting
that question with an ice cream or is it
a sign of something more seemed like he
was on a late night show to attract a
young demographic and
U the statement this morning from the
family and if any police officer reads
that statement if you don’t cry for what
you read from what the family is saying
is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
feminist did fail her it was another era
she was 22 we supposed to have moved on
from that don’t honk back on something
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welcome back to the show and today we’re
asking you on 0344 4991 whether you
think the Rwanda policy is going to work
and the reason I’m asking this from you
I want to know the wisdom of our
audience is what we’re always seeking is
because extraordin it’s extraordinary
actually but the Irish Deputy Prime
Minister has said that because Rwanda is
having such an effect it’s not forget I
don’t think it’s even law yet I think
it’s been passed through the House of
Commons but noted Royal Ascent if I’m
wrong I’m sure want to be on phone up
and tell me it’s having such an effect
already that apparently illegal
immigrants are pouring into the Republic
of Ireland um joining me now to discuss
the challenges we are not having in
Ireland but north of the Border in
Scotland is Neil hanvey Neil is a
fantastic guest to have with us today
because he is an Alba party MP in
Westminster with me in Parliament but of
course it is now the Alba party nail
that seems to have the whip hand in this
approaching confidence vote in the
current Scottish government tell us a
little bit about how the numbers work
and how Alba’s role will play out please
well the Scottish government have 63
msps leaving 65 active votes um uh for
the uh opposition motion um that means
that um Ash Reagan has the opportunity
to either uh vote with the opposition
motion abstain or vote to support the
government and Convention in the
Scottish Parliament dictates that the
presiding officer will vote with the
status quo so if Ash Reagan were to uh
support Hamza yusf in this vote of no
confidence that would equalize the
numbers out to 64 each and then the
presiding officer’s casting vote would
um render uh uh him safe from uh from
the vote of no confidence so that’s
that’s basically how the numbers work
okay so uh Ash Reagan of course was in
the S&P like like yourself I think I’m
correct in saying you come on the show a
lot we love having you on that the sort
of the guiding principle of the Alba
party is it is the real party seeking
Independence and you have said
previously that you think the S&P has
lost its way a little bit just in terms
of government but particularly in terms
of that Independence question so if Ash
Reagan is potentially I know she hasn’t
committed to it going to support the SNP
prop up the S&P government what’s the
point of the Alba
party well look the the letter that Ash
rean has written to the first Minister
and published this morning sets out um
the broad uh issues that we have raised
as um you know as a party with the first
minister so it it it it effectively is a
refocus on uh the case of case of for
Independence um it’s also uh very
importantly uh about um defending
women’s LGB people and children’s rights
uh from the creep of quer the ideology
but also there’s a a call to return to
good governance and a good example of
that is to defend important um uh
industrial infrastructure such as gremou
oil refinery from closure so I mean we
we’re taking a a a very proactive
position on this to try and steer the
SNP government back towards good
governance and you know we’ve never
we’ve never um taken a position that
we’re in direct competition with the SNP
we are there to um support the cause of
Scottish independence and if that means
that we work collaboratively with other
independent supporting parties uh and
we’re most of all convinced that that is
their true objective then that’s what
we’ll do I think what we saw yesterday
uh from the Scottish green party is that
their commitment to Independence is a a
mirage their commitment to the
environment is an absolute Mirage as
well their only true commitment and
their only Red Line seems to be around
uh the denial of the importance of the
cast review uh and the persistence with
the queer Theory ideology that they have
been promoting uh for the last number of
years that’s a really really really
helpful sort of explanation the
situation as you said but surely the
Alba party would welcome another set of
Elections the S&P if you look at all
opinion polls is
is uh you know not doing as well as it
has has done historically it’s an
opportunity for the Alba party I’m sure
to capitalize on that as the Alba party
would say the true party pushing for
independence why would you know why why
would Ash Reagan prop up an S&P
government when TR an election is what
we need well look Ash Reagan is a
serious politician she’s um a very
capable uh politician and um she will
weigh up uh all of these issues there’s
no guarantee that Ash rean is going to
run to the the rescue of ham YF as first
Minister we’ve put forward a very clear
steer on the issues that we would like
to get a response from uh the first
Minister on and now the ball is in his
court to respond to that and I think uh
it it would only be right and proper
that Ash will use her uh uh great skills
to uh assess the response that she gets
from the first Minister and she will
make the right decision uh for her for
Scotland and for the alipa party based
on that response from the first Minister
okay Neil that’s really helpful let me
ask you a couple of um questions about
your former party the SNP um yeah is it
is it likely or conceivable that some
SNP members of the Scottish Parliament
won’t vote to support their their leader
is the party itself divided is the is
there a concern that some of his own
msps won’t turn up and vote for him well
I mean that’s always a possibility I
mean it could be that you know uh some
nsps are otherwise detained or you know
held up with other issues um that’s
always a potential risk for the first
Minister uh and that’s um quite an
unpredictable uh uh situation when it
comes to parliamentary votes but I don’t
think I mean there’s been a lot of
discussion about uh you know um
Maneuvers in the background within the
asnp um but I think it would be um uh a
very brave individual who uh stood up
and publicly criticized uh the first
minister at such an important point and
given you know reflecting back on the
last five years in my experience um the
for an SNP uh MSP or MP to put their
head above the parit uh on any important
issue uh has been unfortunately um uh
not a frequent occurrence uh you know
it’s been left to people uh like myself
Angus mcneel Joanna cherry and a few
others who’ve had the courage to
challenge both the dogma of Nicholas
sturgeon and uh the um failings of hsy
yusf uh in uh in the policies that
they’ve developed I don’t really
anticipate that there is uh a a strong
voice within the SNP that would um vote
against HS of Usef you know I think
probably the the the runners and riders
in in that scenario
would be um perhaps Fergus Ying but
Fergus in an interview yesterday said
you know it’s not in his nature to be
vindictive uh uh and I think that that’s
probably true broadly uh across um any
of the the sensible heads that are left
in the SNP Neil fantastic um insight
there can I just ask you very briefly on
a scale to zero of 10 where 10 is
guaranteed and zero guaranteed that he
will survive and zero is that he’s
already gone what between Zer and 10 do
you think the likelihood of Hamza yusf
still being first minister of Scotland
in a month’s
time well I think the
reality Jake is that um whatever happens
hamsy yousef’s uh first Minister ship
has been deeply damaged by this Folly
that he embarked upon yesterday morning
I can’t see him surviving this whether
he wins the vote of confidence or not as
a party leader and first Minister his
days are absolutely numbered and I think
already uh there are moves within the
party to to come up with a a a a
replacement for him I don’t think he can
I don’t think any political leader can
survive uh the tumult that he’s put
himself he brought it all on himself now
yeah he’s brought it all on himself by
by his actions thank you so much thank
you for coming on really appreciate
hearing from you here on talk TV Zoe So
that sounded like a below five so do you
think ham usus is toast well I think I
mean really you know does anyone survive
a no confidence vote no you always lose
no matter what even if you even if you
get through on votes eventually you
always lose and I think it’s absolutely
right that it is just very very damaging
to his uh Authority and legitimacy and
whatever happens I think it’s going to
be very very difficult to come back
from well uh Stella what do you think
what I found very interesting from what
Neil was saying was that we are not even
sure that all the S&P uh msps are going
to well I think I think he said that’s
pretty you just can’t know I mean if
people really really I’ve been involved
with a few with a few confidence votes
in the conservative party people some
people just say look you know well I was
course going to vote for you but I got
stuck in the lift or my you know had a
car accident on the way to work whatever
it is so you just can’t know until you
know that everyone’s going to turn up
but it’s because it’s just one it’s just
one vote that he’s that he thinks he has
to to to to gain but actually it may end
up he may end up losing anyway he may he
may do all of the work and kind of
humiliated himself going C in hand to
ask rean trying to convince her to vote
for him and then one of his
own one of his one of the people on his
own side lets him down the last minute
can you imagine that that would be so
embarrassing for him I know how awesome
let’s hope it happens but Zoe do you
think we’re going to get nation in
advance of this vote from hamf I I think
it’s very possible um the reason I think
it’s possible is because say he does go
cap in hand to to Ash Reagan or say he
has to make some concessions where does
that leave the rest of his party who are
actually quite happy with the direction
he was taking I mean really this
alliance between the S&P and the greens
was kind of Unholy because for
Independence there is so much um
pressure on Scotland’s industry which is
very much focused around oil and gas
there was always going to be this
inherent tension between a green
Alliance and the
independence well the the mechanisms
needed for Independence to be successful
so I think actually at this point if I
were ham YF I would be asking do I
really want this role is it only going
to get much more difficult from now on
he built his legitimacy on something
that was always going to be very
problematic and now the party and and
everybody else in in in Hollywood are
even more divided than before so if I
were him I’d think very carefully about
whether he is prepared as the sort of
air to sturgeon to car on that I me but
the out of sturgeon probably not
fantastic it’s become a toxic
inheritance with the uh court case going
on against the former chief executive of
the S SMP in relation uh to the S SMP
finances I mean I I just
think I I think that he cannot recover
from this it just seems to me that yeah
as you rightly say Ash Reagan has become
the most powerful member of the Scottish
Parliament she is just one member of the
Scottish Parliament like everyone else
and once you start empowering that
individual to send out your of demand
she’s published the letter all of your
back bench MPS go well you know actually
I quite care about new Industries coming
to my era new rail line whatever it may
be so I’ve got my list of demand demands
ham it always reminds me that when I
arrived in Parliament one of uh my good
friends in the labor party told me that
the opposition sits opposite you the
enemy sit behind you there something for
people to think about anyway coming up
we’re going to be talking about rail
rationalization come back Jeremy Corbin
we love all your policies apparently
according to Kia stalmer I’m Jake Barry
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speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
eve it me old Chinas but a new report is
calling for a new definition of cotney
all right Jeremy me old China o
Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest so all she’s saying let’s just be
honest when a man goes out and kills we
should talk about them as what they are
a biological man transwoman not a woman
transwoman is a man lee would have to go
much further than his statement I he he
did say that he spoke clumsily and he
understood the prime minister’s position
but I think he’d need to say that he’d
got it
wrong that I had a phone call this
morning um from city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ just
received an email just saying um that
yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
quite right too quite right too it’s
that time again to get the violins out
that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
bid for UK security after moaning he’d
been singled
out you might as well be discussing an
invasion of DARS for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my 8 pound
noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
probably know
what are you doing I’m just about to do
it oh it’s carry on what just
happened
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put a statue
of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming
and I can’t stop laughing so he
suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
potato that’s quite small statue then
wasn’t there also a
prostitute a trans
sex worker you don’t really need one of
those in choga square you just got to
walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything uh was he just unlucky
getting that question with an ice cream
or is it a sign of something more seemed
like he was on a late night show to
attract a young demographic and U they
put him in an ice cream store I read the
SAT this morning from the family and if
any police officer reads that statement
if you don’t cry for what you read from
what the family is saying is
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
feminist did fail we supposed to another
she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved
on from that don’t H back on something
you did that was wrong talk TV it’s the
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welcome back to the show and it’s Friday
here on talk TV with me Jake Barry and I
want to hear from you today because
after months of being told by everyone
mainly National newspapers and left-wing
commentators that the Rand plan isn’t
working hello we learned today that
Ireland is already claiming that they
are having a people pouring in from the
north of Ireland because they are so
scared of the random policy it was
designed as a deterrent my view is that
is proof it is working but my view
really doesn’t matter because we want to
hear from you on 0344 499 1000 or you
can even text us 872 or tweeters on X
talk TV don’t forget this is the unique
thing about talk TV and talk radio is we
love hearing from you our audience but
before we get on to that let’s talk
about the 1970s are coming back into
fashion I’m not talking about people
walking around in flared trousers but
apparently rationalization of major
things like our Railways is now the new
policy of the labor party well of course
it was their old policy under Jeremy
Corbin something the shadow Chancellor
Rachel Reef said they would never go
back to but we learn this week that
they’ve gone back to it joining me now
is former lib Dem Member of Parliament
and ex transport Minister it was a
pleasure to be in the government with
him back after the 2010 election um
thank you very much for joining us um
just on the question of this
nationalization is it going to
work well it’s not going to be terribly
helpful for least don’t explain the
moment Jake but the reality is of course
that the real are already renationalized
to a large degree and people don’t
necessarily understand that Network Ra
was nationalized to no one called it
that under the government the coalition
government between 2010 and 2015 and the
the result of the pandemic has been to
make the department for transport
responsible for letting contracts and
micromanaging what’s going on in the
railway so it’s really already happening
to a large degree and Labor’s proposals
this week which were presented as being
rather radical actually build very much
on the governments on white paper
establishing Great British Railways the
one difference coming back to your point
the one difference is that um the the
model at the moment has the department
for transport as the accountable public
body setting the terms of how trains
operate the timetables to some extent
the fairs and so on and and the private
sector then handles it and delivers a
contracts and that’s a model which is
employed by the mayor of London London
overground is employed by Andy Burnham
and Manchester for the buses and London
buses Works in that way and where K
armor and Rachel Reeds and Lou ha have
gone one step further it’s a say that
what will happen now is we’ll take those
private contracts away and we’ll have
the moreall Run by on of new British
Rail and I think that’s probably
unhelpful not least of all because in
the next three or four years until the
contracts expire which is what the labor
policy is um why would any private
sector company running trains bother to
invest or do anything at all well quite
right and I also when all those other
things run by civil servants are going
so well the NHS is absolutely Tip Top at
the top of its game things like the
passport agency goodness me I look
forward to those civil servants getting
H back at the railways it’ll make my
commute significantly better apparently
according to the labor party but what
they have done which is quite clever is
they’ve found a way to do this sort of
article of faith for the left which is
renationalized it’s part of the railways
free of charge they say they say this
won’t cost the taxpayer a penny you
alluded to it there saying that they’re
going to wait for these franchises to
expire is that a reasonable way for them
to look to do it in terms of delivering
value for the taxpayer Norman well I’m
sure it’s what Rachel Reeves has
demanded and it must be no net cost as a
consequence of this but there will be a
cost because as I say the companies at
the moment who are running the railways
are doing some stuff off their own bat
off their own valtion uh they’ll simply
stop doing that because if you’re faced
with an execution order why would you
bother investing in the short term until
the execution takes place in addition to
that we’ve got um a something called a
best price guarantee from labor now I’m
not against the best price guarantee I
think it’s quite a good idea but does
that mean that they’re going to match
the cost of for example split tickets
and you may know Jake that when you buy
a ticket from A to B and B to C it’s
cheaper offer than buying one from a to
c um are they going to match that as a
best price guarantee because if they do
that’s going to cost quite a lot of
money but why do we need the government
to do that for us there are apps out
there there are you know the rail train
companies themselves have apps but
there’s one very well known one called
the train line which does those split
tickets why do we need the state to do
it for us when people can just get an
app on their phone and most people have
a phone smartphone in this country and
do it for themselves well I mean the
train line and others are quite good
organizations and I certainly use split
ticketing sites myself and save quite a
degree of money as I imagine you do on
train travel I suppose the argument is
that uh if you’re someone who is uh go
to a booking office uh or or is
otherwise haven’t got a smartphone why
should you pay more for a ticket than
someone who has got one okay well I I
think there’s quite a lot of
in that argument tell me um their plans
they don’t include owning the r Rolling
Stock though or even investing in the
Rolling Stock just for because it’s so
complicated just for our viewers and
listeners at home how does that
currently
work well at privatization in the 1990s
the Rolling Stock all the Rolling Stock
owned by British Rail was was hived up
into three different private companies
uh called Rolling Stock companies or
rosos and they now own all the trains or
nearly all the trains
uh and they are then leased back to the
train companies or the Department of
Transport in some cases because the
Department of Transport is running some
lines like the East Coast Main Line
itself now um and they pay a they pay a
l at least fee for those trains now the
ring stock companies actually are the
area where most money is being paid to
the private sector if you look at the
profits from the R st companies they are
absolutely enormous as of the bonuses so
in a way it’s quite surprising labor
party which goes on about um money
leaching the industry to private
companies has turned a blind eye to ring
stock companies because that’s actually
where the money is going and uh and
certainly the rmt has left while
recommending to label that they do deal
with that but again Rachel ree doesn’t
want to pay six billion pounds or
whatever it is to bring them back into
public ownership but doesn’t that uh
give a bit of a lie to this claim by K
stas so he said uh visiting the Hatachi
Factory uh in the north of England that
this plan would end the boom and bust
effective of the industry effectively
meaning that they would cont control The
Ordering of new trains but that can’t be
the case if they’re not going to take
back control of the Rolling Stock
contracts and the renewal of The Fleets
then they can’t end this Boomer bus I
might say he was visiting a factory that
I had the privilege when I was Northern
Powerhouse minister of actually cutting
the ribbon when they first turned the
first sod to build it um because of the
trains that we ordered during our time
in government
together well I mean look I mean what
what what a government can do and which
I have to say the president government
hasn’t done very successfully is to have
a sensible pipeline of orders so we
don’t have boom and bust on on the
Rolling Stock we have predictable orders
and we don’t have factories like the one
in Derby uh having to work overtime some
years then facing new orders next year
but ultimately the r stock companies can
decide what they want to build
themselves and what I think they will do
because this is commercially in their
interest to do so is always to have a a
death of Supply they will never have
quite enough trains which will help
pushing up the cost of those who do have
but it’s a it’s obviously supply and
demand they’ll they’ll milk that well
Norman Baker former transport minister
in the coalition government thank you so
much for joining us love hearing from
you there so what we’ve heard I think uh
is that it’s a partial rationalization
doesn’t sound like that ex Minister
Norman thought it was going to work but
still with me to discuss this is
political journalist Zoe gromwell and
former labor advisor Stella chander kidu
Zoe um bit of a lukewarm response I
thought yeah think so and I think to be
honest there’s when you ask the key
question that labor will be will be um
asking uh focus groups which is are you
pleased with this policy do you think
it’s going to make a difference to your
life I think actually the answer is
probably going to be no it doesn’t sound
like it’s going to make tickets that
much cheaper it doesn’t sound like it’s
necessarily going to equ equate to
trains running much more according to
the schedule which is one of those
things that people are really frustrated
about at the but consistently in polling
it is a popular policy the idea of
rationalizing and the water industry
they’re the two policies that are
popular which were were in the 2019
Manifesto put forward by Jeremy Corbin
which of course SC D support yes and and
I think there is po I think there is
popularity um there behind the principle
of rationalizing the railways I think
people are very disappointed at the
state of the service at the minute but I
think when you actually look into the
finer detail of this and when you listen
to Lou hag’s comments that the shadow
transport secretary’s comments yesterday
when she said she wasn’t actually sure
if this would she couldn’t guarantee
that this would equate to lower prices
on the railways I think that’s the key
thing and also what she failed to
guarantee and I thought was really
interesting is the labor body claimed
this will save 2 just over two billion I
think 2.2 billion of course she couldn’t
guarantee she didn’t have sign up for
Rachel Reeves it doesn’t mean that it
won’t happen that that money would even
go back into the railway Stellar H yes
Jake this she couldn’t guarantee that
because obviously does mean it won’t yes
yes because we know that famously Rachel
Reeves is very very tight with the
budget but that doesn’t mean as you said
that she’s not going to do that so I
think that’s fine we cannot we cannot
speculate about what exactly is going to
happen what I know is that this is a
great policy that people really really
want it everyone even Telegraph readers
like I went on the comments on online on
the Telegraph and even Telegraph story
voters were saying yes we want this the
trains are in a disgraceful state in
this country you go to other countries
you go to France you even go to Greece
but s isn’t the problem that trains are
in a much better State than they were
when I used to get the trade to school
in the very early 90s when we had
British Rail before privatization do you
think people have just forgotten that I
mean last time the state and the
railways they were apping yeah but what
does it mean to you you you you you keep
on making this argument people keep on
making this argument that um oh we have
all of these other things that are
public owned and they’re not running as
well and they’re not being efficient or
effective like the NHS or whatever so
why do you think that that rationalizing
their a is going to make any difference
and I’m and my argument to that is all
of this time we’ve had privati
privatization and what did we get we get
ridiculous prices we get trains that are
constant late we get reduced routes to
places where people need to go I know
what you’re thinking Jake you are
thinking first they came for the rails
and I didn’t speak out because I was in
a train what is going to come next right
I know you’re thinking that but clearly
the voters have had enough so let’s see
if this works I think Super the question
I think we should ask ourselves so first
of all I think is two really interesting
questions is you know we know that k
starma campaigned for that I mean
ridiculous 2019 Manifesto put forth by
Jeremy Corman which terrified everyone
in the country he’s now adopting big
parts of it so maybe he’s much more left
wing and we can talk about it later in
the show you know who else is stealing
labor policy from the much more left
wing than he wants us to think and then
the second thing is look the railways
actually they’re all right they could be
a lot better I’m I VY West Coast i’ be
getting it this afternoon when I go home
but they’re they’re all right but
nationalization in my view isn’t the
other that’s why I’m a conservative I
actually think the private sector does
things better than the state and I just
point to the fact you know the passport
agency the NHS um all of those things
are in real trouble anyway coming up in
the next hour we’re going to be talking
about whether Britain should have an
Iron Dome to keep us all safe from
missiles I’m Jake Barry you’re watching
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old Chinas but a new report is calling
for a new definition of cotne all right
Jeremy me old China o
Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
be honest when a man goes out and kills
we should talk about them as what they
are a biological man transwoman not a
woman transwoman is a man lee would have
to go much further than his statement I
mean he did say spoke clumsily and he
understood the prime minister’s position
but I think he’d need to say that he’
got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
received an email just saying um that
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quite right too quite right too it’s
that time again to get the violins out
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fantastic story you may disagree with me
Ireland the Republic thereof are having
a good old winge about the British
government because apparently our Rwanda
policy is so successful that people are
pouring in to the Republic of Ireland
from the north of Ireland because
they’re all nervous that if they’re here
illegally they’re going to be sent to
Rwanda we want to hear from you actually
do you think this policy is working it
became law or went through the House of
Commons and the House of Lords this week
so it’s shortly becoming law so give us
a call on 0344 499 1000 text on 87 do or
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question is you know is it going to work
what do you think at home that’s why we
love hearing from our viewers and
listeners joining me to run through all
of the top stories is political
journalist Zoe gral and former labor
advisor Stella chander kiddu and let’s
go Stella straight into this big
question on Randa I think there’s been a
bit of a disagreement um already but
that’s why we love it here on talk TV uh
this is evidence I put it to you my H
your honor that this policy is already
working just days after it’s gone
through the House of Commons not true
there is no evidence that the Randa
policy is going to work as a deterrent I
really question the motives of the Irish
Min who made this comment sorry you just
don’t want it to work but this is
someone completely impartial another you
know Sovereign Nation saying look this
is already pushing people away from the
United that solving the problem is that
solving the problem would the problem be
solved if all of the Asylum Seekers
suddenly decided that I’m going to go to
Ireland I’m going to make a short stop
in the UK but because I’m afraid that
they will send me to Rwanda which I
don’t I’m not sure how that would work
because my understanding was that the
people who would be sent to R answer
your
question would it solve the problem of
the small boats yeah job done but but so
you think that people would stop trying
to come you don’t think that they would
just try to find another way to come
that would prevent well they struggle to
get to island without getting in a bed
that the reason why the problem has
reached the stage it has is because
people who are determined to come here
will find one way or another and the
business model of the people Smugglers
is so good because the more difficult we
make it for them the more money they get
to ask for this breaks the business
model of those people traffics I think
this is evidence it makes it zo harder
and more lucrative I I think this is the
fallacy of any kind of immigration
policy that just just requires you to
close your borders I mean these people
are not going to stop needing to flee
persecution they’re not going to stop
needing to flee War zones and to flee
environmental catastrophes where are
where are they going to go they can’t
get into the the United Kingdom they’re
going to go somewhere else the idea that
we can solve a global migration crisis
it’s only going to get worse as climate
change gets worse as there’s more
conflict um the idea that we can solve
it by just taking isolationist policies
I just think it’s it’s wrong they’re
going to need to go somewhere the best
thing we can do think is what the
British people want no I don’t think I
think the British people are a uh
tolerant and care ing Bunch who don’t
want to see people fleeing persecution
fleeing War zones be turfed away and
have nowhere to go I mean we all know
that’s going to result in much worse
geopolitical situations much more
conflict the best thing we can do is
have international cooperation they’re
not they’re not fleeing persecution in
France are they well no they’re not and
they’re not even fleeing persecution in
B maybe maybe the real thing we should
do is maybe we should invite the
Republic of Ireland to join the Rwanda
scheme with us well no because all again
all you’re doing is think they do that
you’re passing the bug I mean you’re
saying we’re not going to take it some
other country has to and that’s that’s
not no Sor you’re completely
misunderstanding Me Maybe the thing the
British government should do is because
we do have an open border with southern
Ireland as set out in the Good Friday
agreement maybe the thing the British
government to do is should say to the
new T t-shock in the Republic of Ireland
look join the Randa policy with us let’s
take an all island or islands of the
United Kingdom approach and United the
Republic of Island and and have the same
policy maybe the problem for Ireland is
that they’re not part of the Rwanda
policy rather than us yes but my point
is they then they join and then there’s
one more country signed up to the Rwanda
deal and one more country taking an
approach which is very kind of anti-
Asylum seeker anti-immigrant and I think
that’s wrong I think BR is an I mean we
are we are allowing you know 700,000
people in a year legally to the United
well that’s yeah that’s legal migration
but you know it’s not like we’re not a
welcoming country we welcom a city the
size of Birmingham every 18 months but
some of you have been getting into touch
fire text on 872 and it is the part of
our Friday show where uh you have the
opportunity to start so we’re going to
have a quick look at these I think some
of them for once I’m amazed I’m amazed
you agree with me Stella what jumps out
at you yes so SAR is saying here h no
it’s not going to work but repatriating
every single immigrant and their family
to their ancestral Homeland with a small
but decent sum of money who came here
from 1948 and after could work very wise
H Sarah um can I be the first one can I
be sent what that’s nonsense that’s
absolutely nonsense so so what I pick up
the irony in your voice though yeah of
course Sarah I think you should start
with me because H my plany gets back
home to my family Christmas have become
far too expensive so you can repatriate
me for Christmas I will be back I’m
sorry I will be back you can do the same
for my summer holidays and we can
continue that forever you know what it
would still be cheaper than the bloody
Rwanda and it would have the same exact
effect on making even a dent on the as
problem we would miss we would miss you
too much there’d have to be EST Stella
chandidu exemption Z what jumps out well
gram I think Graham makes quite an
interesting point he says I don’t think
the Rwanda deal is needed all that is
needed is border control if the boats
refused entry into British Waters the
problem will stop it’s really not
difficult gra so how’ you stop them well
grae’s picking up an interesting point
which is that the home office and border
control are not working or functioning
properly the government let me let me
pick up I know it’s Graham’s point but
you tell me how do you stop them well I
think the first thing and the thing that
the conservative government do not want
to talk about because of their approach
to brexit because of their approach to
the EU is you need a proper agreement
with the EU here about the sort of uh
immigration policy we’re going to take
we can’t just look at France and say not
our problem stop sending them over it’s
I mean we have given France 500 million
pounds to support the Detention of these
people before they about money
British taxers money given to France
what they delivered for it but we don’t
have a good we don’t have a properly um
reciprocal and good relationship with
France when it comes to this issue and
as I said there’s no way you can tackle
the global immigration crisis James
cleverly has even gone to the US and
made a speech on this it requires Global
cooperation because we’ve left the we
are absolutely we are not willing to
speak to the EU about this we need to
but we’re not the EU the EU so the point
of brexit is I always felt this a bit
about Ireland as we should have said
well look we’ll have an open B
imra the eu’s border is a matter for the
EU it’s not a matter for Britain but
that’s just naive because clearly people
are coming across to the UK from France
they don’t say oh well the UK isn’t in
the EU anymore so we’ll just stop here
much them to do that look let me pick up
Shan I’d be interested he says I I Sean
I agree with you he says so effective
it’s working already isn’t this evidence
that it’s working out despite all the
criticism no why is this evidence like
the Randa is going to cover less than 2%
of the Asylum Seekers why is this evence
never about taking how does this Irish
forign foreign minister no has he
personally interviewed these migrants
and asked them are you coming here
because you are afraid of being sent
to I assume maybe very naively that the
Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of
Ireland knows a bit about the the
immigration woes or problems or benefits
this is an Evidence of Small Boat
Crossings coming down people are still
coming they’re just saying oh actually
it’s quite easy to get in the S southern
island it’s not talking about vote it’s
not stopping votes I know but it’s which
is which isak’s own it’s always designed
to be a deterrent though it’s it’s
always designed to ultimately stop oh
let me pick up on one more Williams says
France and the EU have passed the Hot
Potato to us I.E Britain and if we’re
now passing it back to the EU that’s
fine do you agree with William yeah
that’s exactly how policy works that’s
that’s how that’s why we have such good
relationships with our EU allies I this
is why they’re so willing to work with
our government this is why there have
been no problems so far no this is what
the UK has been trying to do all of this
time and it didn’t work I’m going to
read andrean’s message because I agree
andrean says anyone with the right mind
would say this is a joke of an idea and
it will never work it’s just a disaster
in the making and I agree there are
people all over the world watching the
British government trying who has been
trying to pass this bill through the the
parliament for the last two years and
they’re thinking what the hell happened
to this count governments like Italy
which is proposing to do something very
similar offshore processing rather than
offshoring um you know other governments
are following yeah people keep on asking
me saying oh Stella why don’t you go
back to Greece and accept all of these
Asylum Seekers and the refugees why
don’t you do why don’t you ask the Greek
government like as if I agree with what
the Greek government is doing to
refugees as if I think do you do you is
this what you really want you want to
have clips of
British Coast
Guards pushing boats with children in
them back into the water and risking
their lives in the same weeks when you
have children dying in the channel is
that what you want no I don’t think
that’s what people do want which is why
asked Zoe and it wasn’t her comment it
was one of our texter about you know say
well stop them Comm how do you stop them
I don’t think we really know the answer
to that but Zoe isn’t it a bit of a you
know isn’t it a bit of a false sort of
belief that the EU in some way cares
about Britain you say we should care
about France or we should care about
Ireland it’s completely they don’t care
about Britain’s immigration policy they
don’t
care certainly so why why should we be
you know ringing our hands saying well
you know France can’t cope with all of
these people or so what I mean that was
the whole point of the European Union
yeah we never should have left in the
first place we because so but so many of
the issues we are facing now require
This Global cooperation the idea that
Britain can go back to being a isol
isolationist nation which can be totally
in control of its own borders clearly
that’s that’s not the case I mean we’re
seeing here people why not why can’t we
be in control of our look us we’re not
we’re incapable we’re not doing it are
we we we can’t do it without cooperation
with the France if we could do it with
Co with cooperation without cooperation
with the French then we would be we
can’t it’s it’s a fallacy that we can
control our borders that we can be a
secure Sovereign Nation without talking
to well I mean that’s one heck of a
statement because I would say that every
voter I’ve ever spoken to says that is
the that is the primary job of a
government if you don’t control your
borders you are not a Sovereign Nation
what your basically saying is Britain is
not a Sovereign Nation I do not AG to be
honest with the voters then isn’t it I
mean I think to be quite Frank I don’t
we cannot tackle these problems on our
own we are not we’re not we not the
country we were you know 200 years ago
we’re just not it’s times have changed
everything’s in I believe in Britain I
don’t I don’t think this idea that you
know Britain is incapable of Defending
ourselves we’re a permanent member of
NATO per un Security Council
have in common they have other countries
in them we’re stronger together they’re
not but they they don’t they’re not
telling us what to do the idea that
Britain cannot defend her own borders
why join NATO why join NATO because it’s
a collective defense exactly Collective
that’s what we need so you you think if
we were still in the EU that these boats
wouldn’t be coming is that is that what
I think I think they may still be coming
but we so they would still be coming so
what why do we need to be in the EU well
they becoming far less than they are now
we’d have much better relations with the
French we’d probably have police on
their borders already got police on
their we’re already paying them half a
billion pound a year to stop people it
would there would be a much more joined
up approach and I think it would be much
more successful we don’t have our home
office isn’t set up for this border
Force isn’t set up for this um one thing
that is I just think that is so naive
that if we if Britain was still in the
EU the French would the French are
effectively saying right we won’t house
you we won’t look after you by the way
Britain’s this way off you go off you go
because they do not want to take
responsibility for refugees who are
arriving in France and the idea that if
we were still in the EU the French would
take a different approach because the
French government believes in France
they want to they don’t want to house
the Asylum Seekers who go to France they
want push them into the UK and that’s
all the British government is doing it
is saying no France we shouldn’t we
shouldn’t we shouldn’t be in a position
where you are just sending Asylum
there’s no Silver Bullet but one thing
that every party agrees on is that the
only way you’re going to actually deal
with this issue is if you get right back
to the source and you have this kind of
crossborder policing and surveillance
and at the minute we’re not in a
position to do that we would be much
better prepared to do that if we were in
the EU we were sharing intelligence we
were sharing data we were sharing
expertise but we’re already we we still
is sharing yeah we know that in the EU
relations would be far better I mean
it’s just naive to act like obviously we
left the EU for a reason we did that
because we wanted to sever some of those
British people want to be in a Sovereign
Nation where we defend our borders
rather than a nation they weren’t told
is basic subject to the rest of Europe
saying no actually you know we don’t
care about your sovereignty you just
have to this is why people left it’s
exactly this sort of issue the thing is
Jake you need political buying from the
other countries you need the French
government to feel like it looks good to
their voters when they’re being nice to
the UK government and they’re being
cooperative and when the UK government
for the last few years has acted as if
its lethal enemies are right across the
pond right across the English Channel
then why do you expect these people
these politicians who they go back to
the voters and give concessions to the
British government this is why this is
why it has harmed it has harmed it has
harmed the position of the UK government
in the EU it has harmed us so much to
have all of these Prime Ministers who
have continuously trying to put all of
the blame on other EU countries because
they’ve seen the game that we’ve been
playing they don’t like it they’re not
going to play and Ireland’s playing it
now as well apparently but look we want
to hear from you at home on this very
issue you might think I’m wrong locks if
you do you might think the panel are
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let’s talk to Barry in Manchester Barry
thank you for calling in what is your
view about where we’re going with this
Rwanda policy Barry oh it’s crazy mate
it’s
crazy why why I mean look look I mean r
is’s a clever guy is he he’s that clever
he doesn’t know
anything you know mean I I’ve had a live
B
right different to to most of you people
you’re all office people aren’t you
you’re full of rules and regulations and
all that I’ve actually to live a life
without all that right okay well bar let
me ask you this then because the big
question we’re asking today is Ireland
basically their government is
complaining saying that since through
under policy has come in just this week
I know you say it won’t work you think
it’s crazy that um Refuge G’s are
pouring in using their language from the
north of Ireland down into the Republic
of Ireland surely that is evidence
because the government has always said
this will be a disincentive people will
not want to be caught by this policy
surely that is evidence that this policy
is starting to work Barry ah is it he
mate is it he there’s a simple way to do
it go on then right I mean listen me out
on this right because I know the things
you’re saying oh I don’t agree with that
but just let me smooth it all out okay
if if you was a refugee coming from like
say Africa I mean you’ve got to go
through like re and everything AR you to
get down is it CH or where they cross
the L proder you know carrying all your
belongings on your back checking mons
and everything real hard
[Â __Â ] right well all you got to do it’s
not about stopping the bats it’s
stopping the people right if you can get
it out on all the news and radio
channels worldwide anybody coming here
as from say Monday step foot on these
Shores and you’re going to be
transferred to um f a fit to the British
working and living program you know and
then what we do is we use all
our old air bases and everything
to H these people look all of their
bases they have nafies on them don’t
they you know way because like the
soldiers are on the basis well Barry
look we’re going to have to leave it
there I think the government would say
that we to some extent already housing
people are air bases but thanks for
calling in I wish it was that simple I’m
sorry um I don’t think it is I think
it’s a bit more complicated than that um
but we heard from Barry there you see
Barry wants Simple Solutions yeah I
think everybody does
been fed the
delusion Simple Solution people have
been fed the delusion that there is a
simple solution and the truth is that
there isn’t and if if there is one thing
that I think has been incredibly toxic
in this debate is that we have convinced
a lot of Voters that a lot of their
problems come from immigrants and this
is the oldest trick in the book
immigrants have always been a scapegoat
foreigners have always been a scapegoat
for problems and these immigrants they
can have a different pH in different in
different phases of history and now we
have decided that our cost of living
crisis our housing problems all of these
things that they would be solved if only
we could solve the immigration problem
and we have spent so many resources and
so much time our our civil servants and
our politicians some of our brightest
political minds they have spend so much
time squeezing their brains about how
they’re going to make these planes live
and we are spending more than half a
billion pounds in 10 weeks they’re going
to lose £1,000 per person to send them
back to Rwanda to send them to Randa may
ask you this very briefly because I do
want to talk about something else before
we go to the Break um if this isn’t
working why on Earth has the Deputy
Prime Minister in Ireland said this do
you think he’s lying do you think he’s
trying to wind up people who live in why
has he said it if if if he’s if you say
it’s not true why why would he say well
I think you know possibly it’s something
that the people in Ireland a feeling is
going to happen possibly there are
concerns I mean there are concerns about
people moving across borders that’s you
you know tell as old as time that’s
clearly something they’re concerned
about but I think you know whether we
actually are going to see as you as you
know s says the the tangible effect of
this I think is is it can’t both be true
though that’s the point that’s the point
I think that I I want to make to people
watching it can’t both be true this
policy can’t be not working and putting
pressure on island so if you say it’s
not putting pressure on iseland there
must be a reason the Irish government is
saying this maybe the L I don’t know
maybe they’ve got they have got
elections coming next year before we get
on to the Irish elections let me ask you
whether you seen the story this week
about
shoplifting being a record high now I
don’t think anyone can live anywhere in
the country it’s particularly bad in
London and not have sort of witnessed uh
this huge rise in shop lith that we’re
seeing particular people going in as we
can see on our screen there sort of
sports bags and F filling them up Stella
what do you think is driving this
increase in in shoplifting is it soft
placing or is it more desperate people I
think it’s both I think I think it has
to do with the fact that people know
that they can get away with it and I
think that you know Clips like that have
contributed to this I’m not suggesting
that we shouldn’t be obviously knowing
about it but because of social media and
because of all of this talking about
soplifting people have realized that you
know what I can actually get away with
this they have realized that staff
members don’t particularly feel
empowered or they don’t I mean I’m not
funny if you’re working a sh National
living wage why would you put yourself
in HS and very often very often the uh
the direct the directions that they will
have received from the bosses is please
do not try and confront these people
because we cannot guarantee your
security there is no security staff
there I do think deprivation has to do
with that I do think Rising income
inequality has to do something with this
because you have all of these young
people going on social media realizing
how much better off others are and
they’re feeling this envy and this is
how they are so zo there’s been some
discussion the last couple of weeks
about creating a specific offense and
assault against a shopkeeper I’m I’m not
sure it’s necessary do you think that
what people really want to hear from the
government whoever it may be after the
next general election is that they’re
going to get really tough on shoplifting
because this low-level crime it’s not
you know it’s not the worst crime people
commit there’s many more serious crimes
like murder and appalling sexual crimes
but you know do you not think dayto day
if people go into their local shop and
see someone just nicking from the
shelves that this feeds into this idea
of Lawless Britain I think the thing
about shoplifting is it it sort of feeds
into that idea that some people aren’t
working and paying their way in the same
way that other people are I think that
there’s a frustra there that people say
you know I I go and I I pay what is
needed for my groceries and some people
just go in and they take and there’s but
I think it goes back to what said
there’s there’s not enough police quite
clearly and the police are very very
overstretched but also any government
that’s going to seriously tackle this
issue need to think about Rising poverty
levels income inequality there’s a huge
difference between a young mother who
has to go and still baby form and
criminal lot of families in the UK who
are struggling financially they don’t
all go to tesos and start nicking gear
though don’t all but some people are
very very desperate because they’ve had
their benefits slashed housing uh
housing prices are extremely expensive
benefit which benefits have been slashed
I thought they went up with inflation
but over the years we’ve seen a a
decrease in the you know benefit number
of officers on the streets I would say
that maybe well yeah but it’s it’s the
facts but I mean it may not feel like it
maybe the police should be spending less
time arresting people for accidentally
misgendering people online or these sort
of the like we’ve seen is
that’ seen in Scot you know with this
new hate law maybe the police should
actually be tackling real criminals but
don’t worry we can keep talking about
that after the break because coming up
after the break as well as maybe
shoplifting we’ll also be talking about
with tensions still rising in the Middle
East the plan for Britain to potentially
have an Iron Dome to protect us here in
the United Kingdom from any missile
attacks I’m Jake Barry you’re watching
and listening to talk TV
hey very good morning to you thanks for
joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on
radio online and we’re on your smart
speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
eve it me old Chinas but a new report is
calling for a new definition of cotney
all right Jeremy me old
China
Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
be honest when a man goes out and kills
we should talk about them as what they
are a biological man transwoman
not a woman transwoman is a man lee
would have to go much further than his
statement I mean he did say that he
spoke clumsily and he understood the
prime minister’s position but I think
he’d need to say that he’d got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from Prem city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ just
received an email just saying um that
yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
quite right too quite right too it’s
that time again to get the violins out
that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
bid for UK security after moaning he’d
been singled
out you might as well be discussing an
invasion of darx for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my 8 noia
reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a
huge hit on Instagram as you probably
know what are you doing I’m just about
to do it oh it’s carry on what just
happened were missing
there was a suggestion by some that
maybe it would nice to put a statue of
the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry I know what’s I know what’s coming
and I can’t stop laughing so he
suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
potato that’s quite small statue then
wasn’t there also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker you don’t really need
one of those in jaaga square you just
got to walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything
uh was he just unlucky getting that
question with an ice cream or is it a
sign of something more seemed like he
was on a late night show to attract a
young demographic and U they put him in
an ice cream store I read the statement
this morning from the family and if any
police officer reads that statement if
you don’t cry for what you read from
what the family is saying is
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t necess think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
feminist did fail her we supposed to
another she was 22 we’re supposed to
have moved on from that don’t honk back
on something you did that was wrong talk
TV it’s the only place where you get the
truth
welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
and you’re with talk TV joining me now
is former Royal neighbor commander and
defense colonist columnist Tom Sharp Tom
thank you very much for joining us um
let’s start by talking about HMS Diamond
has been in action in the last 24 hours
can you tell us a little bit about what
she has been up to
she has she’s been down at the the
southern Red Sea for some time now uh on
a sort of missile picket duties so she’s
been sitting there in a patrol box uh
waiting to intercept drones which is
already done successfully a number of
times and now a missile in order to
protect freedom of navigation down there
from from the houthi rebels in in
Western Yemen and uh they Diamond has
done it successfully last night for the
first time since 1991 a missile on
Missile
engagement and of course this will be
something that your former col
colleagues and Shipmates in the Royal
Navy train for all the time but you
rightly say first time since the very
early 1990s that we’ve done this is this
quite a bold statement to uh hostile
actors around the world about Britain’s
capabilities and our Readiness to use
them well I’m not sure that it is I
think one of the problems with our
posture in the in the Red Sea is it’s
entirely defensive barring the odd the
odd strike I don’t mean to sort of
diminish them too much but but really it
has been the odd Counter Strike the rest
of the time we’ve been playing permanent
goalkeeper so if you look at Freedom of
navigation in the Red Sea it is denied
ships are at 50% flowing through there
so so a small militia in Western Yemen
has denied a critical choke point
freedom of navigation so on the one hand
I think probably what this engagement
shows is you can win the battle while
still losing the war and do you think
there’s something the British royal no
in the British Armed Forces should be
doing should be be going further should
we uh engaging the rebels directly in
order to keep those navigation routes
open
something there has to change I mean
fundamentally the huies need to stop
firing that that’s only ever been the
solution to this and there’s three ways
that can happen they can they can decide
to stop be that through a ceasefire in
in Gaza or whe they’ve always promised
that I mean I have my doubts but they
decide to stop or they’re persuaded to
stop that’s the most likely option
either through diplomacy or by Iran or
they’re made to stop uh where they’re
struck so hard that they physically
can’t fire back and that’s an option
that’s available but we’ve uh elected
not to take for fear of escalation
but of course it wouldn’t just be the UK
who did that alone it would be with our
wider allies in the region do you think
it’s likely that America will uh look to
make one of those sort of decisive
strikes against the
rebels I don’t they’ve had opportunity
after opportunity for the last four or
five months and have elected not to do
so I mean let’s be clear if we are to
take decisive action there it has to be
us-led uh when you look in the UK
offensive cupboard uh for for land
strike options in the Red Sea it’s
pretty bare we’ve we’ve we’ve chipped in
with typhoons longrange sties from
Cyprus again I don’t mean to belittle
that but it’s not sustainable so if
we’re to really give them a bloody knows
then then it would have to be the
Americans but I’m not sure it’s a
particularly good idea uh they’re very
hard to strike they’re very mobile they
hide in populous centers they’ve learned
all these tricks about Mobility from
Iran so counter- striking to the point
where they can’t fire back as the Saudis
proved over five or six years is very
very hard to do I suppose um it also
this week we’ve heard from the prime
minister the government’s commitment to
increase defense spending by to 2 and a
half% of GDP by 2030 in additional 76
billion pound in total and we learned
today that one of the things the United
Kingdom is considering in terms of uh
our own air defenses is this idea of an
Iron Dome particularly to protect us uh
from ultra Sonic missiles what is an
Iron Dome and what would it sort of mean
to to Britain to have one so iron D is a
medium range surface to where missile
defense missile so it sits obviously
it’s it’s sits in Israel it’s got a
range of about 40 kilometers so it’s not
particularly long it’s about half the
range of of the missile that uh that
diamond used for example uh so it is
only one part of the solution and I
think it’s really important to step back
when we talk about some missile defense
in the UK and look at the layers we are
a very different proposition to Israel
and perhaps even Ukraine in terms of the
range at which potential aggressors
could come at us so we have these layers
in place already short of Russia let’s
say parking a submarine off the coast
where it could do tremendous damage but
you know that’s a very different War
fighting situation at that point so I
think what I would like to see is a
really comprehensive plan that
identifies this requirement uh and then
a funding plan to to buy it but frankly
uh whilst the prime minister’s
announcement is very very welcome we’ve
we’ve heard these many many times and
and not seen the money at the end of it
if we do see that money if this is a
genuine mindset shift and I and I I
really hope it is then I would
personally spend that money on many many
things before we got to an ironon system
in the UK let me ask you this finally we
heard from the labor party after that
Announcement by the Prime Minister that
he going to increase defense spending 2
and a half% of GDP by 2030 that their
plan is to have a Strategic Defense
review after the general election if K
sta is elected as our next prime
minister is that the right way to go
after we’ve so recently completed a
Strategic Defense review which would
look at things like iron domes and Next
Generation air Fighters do we need
another one we do and it needs to be
costed that’s that’s what’s been missing
all along through the integrated review
process and their com uh command papers
that that sat underneath the integrated
reviews I mean they were kind of
commendable strategy papers that touched
on a lot of this stuff but they were
completely unfunded and uncosted at
which point they become a think piece
rather than a strategy so yes we do need
a defense review it needs to be done
very very quickly it mustn’t be used as
an excuse to delay all these decisions
it should be done as a matter of
priority and I suspect that some of them
have started the paperwork on it already
and it needs to be fully funded and this
percentage of Two and a half% 3% we are
slightly fixated on that as a number but
but fine it needs to go up it needs to
go up to you know in the Cold War we
were at four and a half to 6% of GDP on
defense now we probably couldn’t achieve
that well we could achieve that now it’s
a matter of choice it’s political choice
I don’t think we will but we do need a
substantial increase and then how it’s
spent on the people on the
infrastructure on on how we procure our
weapon systems all needs a sort top
totoe refresh and that needs to be done
very very quickly Tom thank you for
joining us our viewers and listeners at
home we’ll be very interested to hear
your views on that still with me in the
studio is political journalist Zoe
gromwell and former labor special
advisor Chand kidu Zoe um I don’t think
Tom’s right there and I’ll tell you why
because in my time of government 14
years Strategic Defense reviews are
always an excuse for governments
particularly the treasury to delay
spending money and I heard Ben Wallace
interviewed on times radio just a couple
of days ago and what he pointed out is
if we do get a labor government and
opinion polls would point at that uh
even a quick Strategic Defense review
would take a year to 18 months more
likely two years and at that point the
treasury would have set the fiscal
spending rules for the entirety of the
next Parliament do you think that that
the labor are going to proceed down that
road and if so do we stand any hope of
reaching that two and a half% by 2030
well labor have said that they are
broadly committed to two and a half
percent when uh times and costs allow
and this is the kind of inevitable sort
of um caution you would see you would
imagine from Rachel Reeves and the
treasury and and sorry the the shadow
treasury team
because they just don’t know the state
of the books in opposition and I think
that’s I know that’s an issu the books
are published every single fiscal event
in fact in some cases twice a year so
this excuse we don’t know what’s in the
books I’m sorry it’s nonsense they may
not want to tell us what they’re going
to do if they get into government the
idea that they haven’t seen the figures
is for the birds it is open source it is
publicly available that simply is untrue
well there’s there’s two things first of
all there are other things you don’t
know until you get into government about
you know certain inefficiencies the way
the civil service is working areas that
you know might not have been the the
current government might not prioritize
but you want to I mean all of that is
you know you can only see that when
you’re in government the other thing is
that there are you know the ifs and the
OB had on that again because that’s not
true either is it because they’re
already having discussions with the
civil service now they are yes yeah so
so the idea that they don’t know this
sorry it’s just misleading people that’s
what the labor party they they are they
are not being straight with people okay
yes what but they’ve only just started
engaging in Civil Service talks and
that’s when you start building up your
knowledge of that beforehand you don’t
have that amount of knowledge I agree
they’ll they’ll have more and more as
they go on they need it for their
Manifesto they need it for their
planning um and so you’ll imagine them
to start building policy now so yes I
agree with you there um but back to the
original point I mean I
think the problem with this this is some
of these you see this set out in the
inefficiencies of the treasury and how
um government spending works as you say
integrated reviews they take a long time
to build they involve a lot of detailed
planning but then you have the treasury
which is quite shortsighted having to
think about where it’s putting its
funding all the time so this is
something that is definitely as defense
creeps up the list of priorities not
only for the public but for the
politicians too I think you are going to
get a tension that labor will have to
deal with which is how do they keep up
with the pace of spending that’s
necessary because the truth is and this
was made really clear by the defense
seor and the prime minister at the time
is global threats don’t wait for Britain
to be ready to set a defense budget I I
just think it’s such an interesting
subject and I think as we get nearer to
the election my friends it will be one
we are talking about more and more but
some of you are still getting in touch
on 0344 499 1000 specifically on this
point about whether the Rwanda bill is
going to work let’s talk to John in
Burnley just down the road from where I
live John thank you for calling into the
show how’s Burnley doing it’s uh
surprising or not it’s quite Sunny uh ja
I’m actually shocked it’s not raining
John are completely unrelated to your
call but I was having a drink last night
in central London I went to a restaurant
had a Benny and hot water they had no
idea what it was but there’s no person
from Burnley who would phone this show
and not know what a Benny and hot water
is is there anyway let’s talk about
Rwanda um how’s it do you think this
news coming out of Ireland that they’re
concerned about the effect this bill is
already having shows that it’s working
or do you think it’s got no hope of
changing things it’s right I just want
to say J right when these people keep
saying this is not going to work
Australia did it overnight he did it on
one night I’ve seen it with my own eyes
I see what they were doing they were
going out with the bats they were
dragging them back and it worked so when
people keep saying it’s not going to
work we have to be in EU for it to work
Australia is not in EU they’re not being
ruled by unelected bureaucrats from
France and Germany it works you just
don’t want it to work come on John
that’s what we need a bit of Burnley
East laner Common Sense on this show
I’ve got an ally found in amazing let me
ask you this do you think there’s a lot
of people who don’t want it to work in
this country absolutely yeah just all it
boils down to ja this is we’ve just got
weak absolute
weak spineless backless backbone
politicians who just can’t get anything
done because they just they just haven’t
got the you know the honies to do it
that’s all it boils down to we need an
Australian government to come over here
kick the conservatives out and show them
how it’s done it happens hold on there
we we were in agreement till to that
point as it happens the person did this
for Australia is now advising the
conservative government which is why
they’ve gone down this route John I
would have you on for the rest of the
show but I have got the people in my ear
telling me that I’ve got to go straight
to break so make sure you call in again
it is great to hear from friends in East
Lancashire coming up after the break
more children in England are drinking
alcohol than anywhere else in the world
we’re going to talk about that straight
after this break
hey very good morning to you thanks for
joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on
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speaking now you ain’t going to AB an EV
it me old chin but a new report is
calling for a new definition of cotney
all right Jeremy me old
China treat go when JK Rowling says
let’s just be honest it’s all she’s
saying let’s just be honest when a man
goes out and kills we should talk about
them as what they are a biological man
transwoman not a woman woman is a man
lee would have to go much further than
his statement I mean he did say that he
spoke clumsily and he understood the
prime minister’s position but I think
he’d need to say that he got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from P city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed
an email just saying um that yeah I’m
going to be getting a badge right quite
right too it’s that time again to get
the violins out that’s right Prince
Harry has lost his biid for UK security
after moaning he’d been singled
out might as well be discussing an
invasion of darx for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my8 pound
noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
probably know what are you doing I’m
just about to do it oh it’s carry on
what just happened were
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put a statue
of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming
and I can’t stop laughing so he
suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
potato that’s quite small statue then
wasn’t there also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker you don’t really need
one of those in choga square you just
got a walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything uh was just unlucky getting
that question with an ice cream or is it
a sign of something more seemed like he
was on a late night show to attract a
young demographic and U they put him in
an ice cream store I read the St this
morning from the family and if any
police officer reads that statement if
you don’t cry for what you read from
what the family is saying is
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry like a
feminist fa supposed to another she was
22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
that don’t hon back on something you did
that was wrong to TV it’s the only place
where you get the truth
welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
and you’re with talk TV and if I just
reach into my pocket here I can pull out
a matchbox and find the smallest violin
in the world that I can play for the
Republic of irland who are apparently
complaining because the Rwanda policy
that became law only this week is making
people leave Northern Ireland and go to
the Republic I say that’s proof that
this policy is a big dis incentive and
will work but what I say may be
completely wrong in fact it often is and
that’s why we want to hear from you at
home 0344 499 1,000 make sure you get in
touch with this really interesting point
we’ve got today another thing which I um
really fascinated by is you think with
the Euros approaching this year what is
England actually good at well apparently
we’re not very good at football rugby or
Cricket but we have topped a global
league and that is for young people
people drinking alcohol and also
particularly for young women vaping now
you may say that isn’t a league that any
of us should be proud of being top of
and I guess that you’re probably right
but that’s why I’m joined by Molly
Kingsley who is co-founder of us for
them which campaigns on behalf of
children to keep them safe from just
these types of perils now Molly all
joking aside this isn’t good news for
Britain is
it no it’s not good news um and you know
I think we know that alcohol has a huge
impact on the NHS so the direct cost of
alcohol related health issues in this
country is 3.5 billion but the indirect
costs in terms of crime loss
productivity all that kind of thing have
been estimated you know close to 30
billion so it is a serious problem and
of course at an individual um child
level it speaks to a generation who um
perhaps are struggling with mental
health who are not happy all of that
said I do think we need to be a little
bit careful about decrying you know
Calamity in these figures because
actually if you look at some of the
detail here you know really what this
very big World Health Organization
report is saying is that you know by age
11 one in three kids have tried a drink
now that in itself is not alarming I
think the figures get worse and a bit
more alarming when you look at
drunkenness figures so how many children
are drinking regularly but the
percentage of children and adolescents
drinking regularly are much lower than
that 30% so when I was growing up it was
sort of standard advice to parents put
you know introduce your children to
alcohol have a sip of your father’s beer
at quite a young age to try and
normalize alcohol to take away the
mistique to try and Tackle things like
drunkenness it was often labeled as the
approach that the French would take to
alcohol I’m not sure that’s actually
correct um what is the right advice to
parents in terms of trying to ensure
that they keep our children safe and
model
a little bit of a back a little bit of a
backpedaling on that if you look at what
the World Health Organization and other
you know alcohol groups are saying is
perhaps don’t give your children you
know drinks at a very young age but you
know ultimately it’s parental Choice
isn’t it and alcohol is a product that’s
around in the real world and at some
point kids are going to come into
contact with it and you know personally
for my own kids I would rather they
first came into contact with it perhaps
a bit younger in the safety of the home
under parental supervision I don’t see
anything wrong with that I will probably
be told off for saying that I think you
know the comments that have and the kind
of hyperbole that have attached to this
report are quite interesting so you know
we had the World Health
Organization um saying you know
adolescent need to be protected against
the effects of toxic and addictive
products now that is certainly true but
I’m sure we can think of many more
products that arguably are more toxic
and more addictive for children or the
majority of children than alcohol so you
know smartphones obviously a big debate
going on there at the moment what about
junk food you know junk food is
disastrous for
child don’t I hope richy soon ACD he’s
already he’ll be on this I tell you he’s
Banning tobacco for all young people
apparently you’ll never be intelligent
enough to decide whether you want to
enjoy a puffer or uh some form of
tobacco product he’s Banning that the
labor party have already said that if
they get into government they’re going
to ban junk food advertising targeted
specifically young people they’ll be on
the they’ll be on Al Le I was just said
to our caller just before the break
Benedictine and hot water one of my
favorite drinks a Benny and hot it’s
good it’s a good hot toddy it looks
after you got a C what is wrong with a
drop of alcohol in moderation surely we
should be encouraging that yeah look for
adults absolutely absolutely I think you
know you can be and I class myself as
someone who you know is libertarian
probably by Nature I think it is very
different equation for children so I
have no issue actually and in fact I’m
very supportive of State in intervention
to protect children um you know as long
as it is shown to work it is sensible
and it’s needed you know I think they’re
very many examples where actually it’s
not needed and where information
different though is that is different
than Banning people forever so I have no
problem with children not being able to
smoke for example I gave a speech in
Parliament last week about it what I do
believe is freedom if you believe in
Freedom it is the freedom to make bad
decisions as well as good decisions
let’s pick up on something else in this
which I think is worrying particularly
for young girls in this country this
huge increase that we’ve seen again
we’re a global leader in it not sort of
a league that we may want to top of
young girls vaping now what do you
think’s driving
that yeah I would say it’s interesting
you picked that up Jake because when I
read this report I thought that was
actually potentially the more alarming
part of it um what is driving it I mean
you know again this the headlines have
attributed this to lockdown now you know
I will be as quick and Keen as anyone to
call out the harms of lockdown but I
think we have to be a bit careful
because really what we have seen over
the last I mean probably 15 or more
years is real underinvestment in
children’s services in Youth Services in
play areas for kids so you know at a
time we are making the quality of our
children’s lives worse I don’t think we
should be surprised that they turn to
cigarettes and well I guess it won’t
cigarettes but Vapes to fill of void and
of course you know the the Vapes and
this government were warned about this
you ban cigarettes and what comes to
fill that whole well VES well look they
were warned not least by me in
Parliament last week look it’s privilege
to share talk TV with a fellow
libertarian thank you so much for coming
on and talking to us about it i’ I’ve
absolutely loved hearing from you so
thank you um let me turn to my panel now
still with me are Stella and zo I feel a
bit guilty Stella because I didn’t give
you the opportunity to get just back at
me before the break so let’s start on
this um do you have real con concerns
about the uh amount of alcohol that
Anglo-Saxons uh you know put in their
system I do I do and I’ve always had
because the problem in the UK is that
you have a beans drinking culture and
you you you have really normalized
abusing alcohol so you can’t really
compare the tactics that the parent in
France or in Greece takes where they
will give I had the same thing when I
was growing up my dad the first the
first glass of wine I had was given to
me by my father how old were you um I
was like 16 15 15 was that was that
really the first drink yeah it was
actually I was a big nerd I was very
lame in high school and yeah sorry I
didn’t I didn’t I wasn’t really first
drink at 16 I wasn’t much F when was
your first I’m afraid I’m going to prove
Stella’s Point probably had my first
drink when I was really quite young I
mean my parents were you know they would
let me try a sip of their wine or try
sip of their beer when I was quite young
and I’ve actually I would say I have a
pretty healthy relationship with alcohol
I don’t you know I do enjoy drink I
enjoy going out with my friends but I’ve
never had one of those terrible you know
blackout drunk situations and I do
believe that’s because my parents have
always trusted me with alcohol but this
was the advice wasn’t it this was the
advice to parents I WR three kids was
introduce your children in a controlled
way at home like your parents did like
Stella’s parents did as well at the age
of 16 to sort of normalize take a bit of
the glamour away from alcohol is it’s
something social you do with your
friends it’s not about getting full down
drunk although I wish I could say I’d
never blacked out but I can’t but the
difference between what you do here in
the UK and what they do in other
countries is that in France or in Greece
for example you will drink with your
food you will have a meal alongside your
drink you will not you will not down a
you these you know that there there are
very few places in Greece where you can
find like a full Pint They Don’t Really
Greek people don’t really buy a full
Pint when they will have like a smaller
one that would be one drink Greeks the
half pints of Europe well you know I
don’t know what your viewers about this
but it is nice occasionally to see
Britain topping the tables even though
if people think it’s not for the right
reasons but in a way kind of makes you
proud to be British so when I go to the
pub later on tonight up in Rosendale I
will be raising a glass to this news
although kids stick off the booze uh I’m
going to see you coming up in the next
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old chinina but a new report is calling
for a new definition of cotne all right
Jeremy me old China o
Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
be honest when a man goes out and kills
we should talk about them as what they
are a biological man transwoman not a
woman transwoman is a m Lee would have
to go much further than his statement I
mean he did say spoke clumsily and he
understood the prime minister’s position
but I think he’d need to say that he’
got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
received an email just saying um that
yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
quite right too quite right too it’s
that time again to get the violins out
that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
bid for UK security after moaning he’d
been singled out
you might as well be discussing an
invasion of DARS for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my 8 pound
noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
probably know what are you doing I just
about to do it oh it’s carry on what
just
happened
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put a statue
of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry
I know what’s I know what’s coming and I
can’t stop laughing so he suggested
Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
that’s quite small statue then wasn’t
there also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker you don’t really need
one of those in chaga Square he just got
to walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything uh was he just unlucky
getting that question with an ice cream
or is it a sign of something more seemed
like he was on a late night show to
attract a young demographic and U they
put him in an ice cream store I read the
statement this morning from the family
and if any police officer reads that
statement if you don’t cry for what you
read from what the family is saying is
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
feminist did fa supped to another ER she
was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on
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shunka good afternoon two men have been
charged with immigration offenses after
after the deaths of five people
including a child in the English Channel
on Tuesday the 22-year-olds from Sudan
and South Sudan are due in court today
the Scottish first Minister’s political
career hangs in the balance as the
greens are set to back a no confidence
Motion in Hamza usf’s leadership he’s
cancelled a speech he was due to give at
SL trth University on Independence well
as of yesterday the greens are no longer
government Coalition partners with the
SNP political correspondent for the
Times John boothman told us he thinks
his days are numbered there’s not many
people even in the SNP predicting that
even if he gets through all that that
he’s going to last beyond the general
election where everybody is expecting
the SNP to go
backwards several Hollywood stars have
responded to a court overt turning
Harvey Weinstein’s 2020 rape conviction
the actress mea svino says she’s
disgusted while Ashley Jud has labeled
it as an act of instit tional betrayal
well it means there’ll be a new trial in
the landmark me to case after a ruling
said he was tried on past behavior and
not solely on the crimes he was charged
with founder of the me too movement Tana
Burke says the legal system has let them
down I’m disappointed I’m angry I’m sad
because no matter what work we do they
still keep getting it wrong so we can’t
do this by ourselves they have to join
us in this fight if they say if they
believe what they say
you all said this if you believe what
you say and do the work show up and show
andove these are the moments when you
can do it and when the moments come to
do it they fail us a 13-year-old girl
has been charged with three counts of
attempted murder and will appear in
court today after two teachers and a
pupil were stabbed at a school in
Southwest Wales the teenager was
arrested at the scene in Ammon for those
who were stabbed have since been
released from
hospital and a trial of the world first
personalized vaccine against the
deadliest form of skin cancer melanoma
is now underway in the UK it works by
telling the immune system to hunt down
the patient specific cancer cells and
prevent the disease from coming back
among those taking part is Steve Young a
music teacher who had a bump on his head
for around a
decade I could have just chosen to sit
back have a scan every 3 months and just
see what you know see what happen
and I just felt that you know at least
by being on a trial I’m actively doing
something that you
know is I’m having a fight basically I’m
I’m I’m having a fight with my with
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generally another cold one temperatures
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I’m Jake Barry and you’re with talk TV
and today we are asking you after the
deputy prime minister of Ireland the
Republic thereof said that people being
worried about the threat of being
deported from Rwanda to Rwanda and let’s
not forget that went through Parliament
this week it’s about to become law of
the land here in the UK that if you come
to the UK illegally you can be taken
away put on a plane and sent to Randa
rather than stay in the UK that the the
deputy prime minister of Ireland is
saying well that is already
causing an influx of migrants from the
United Kingdom maybe mainly Northern
Ireland into the Republic of Ireland
that leads me to ask you isn’t this
evident surely that this Rwanda policy
is working almost before it’s even
become law here in the UK now you may
think that is completely wrong or you
may agree with me but whatever you think
we want to hear from you on 0344 499
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of the stop to stop top stories is
political journalist zo gomal and former
labor advisor Stella chander kiddu
thanks for staying with us um so people
are this issue of whether Rwanda it
divides opinion I I’m not saying
everyone agrees with me but there are
some people who do people are getting in
touch via text we do the joy of text
here on Friday on the Jake Berry show
Stella what’s jumping out from you from
correspondents yeah so Jake William says
here that’s not our problem really they
can deter to any other country in Europe
it’s not our problem they choose Ireland
who don’t want a border with the UK
great Point William so if I extend your
point what I’m hear you saying is that
the people who pass through France to
come to the UK because they’ve picked
the UK should also be allowed to stay
here this is The Logical expansion of
this argument do I have it right Jake
well I mean I think poor old William
poor William I think William might be
right um but I think the point he is
picking up on is this anger of the
British people who say Britain is a
welcoming country we had this discussion
earlier Britain welcomes we’ve got a
great history of welcoming migrants and
and and Asylum Seekers but you know you
can’t these people coming over on these
small boats they are jumping the queue
they are stopping the pregnant woman in
a war zone coming through a safe and
legal route because we are dealing with
these people coming to our country
illegally it’s a low bar I think I agree
with William it’s a low bar every
government should defend its borders Zoe
I just I I mean you keep reading text
and then I’ve got to disagree with them
well I just I just think it’s a really
um difficult it’s really tough because
you I just I’m going to go back to the
point I made I just think if we keep
passing the buck if we keep saying not
our problem different countries’s
problem we’re never actually going to
get to grip with the root of the problem
we’re never actually going to stop um
this kind of problem sweeping the gravee
where we’re going to see millions of
people over the next few years trying
toart their homes trying and leave to
different countries as as War increases
as there’s much more kind of Economic
and environmental turmoil what we really
need to do is to think much more
longterm and much more globally about
how we tackle this crisis but isn’t John
in Burnley right I think it was John who
called him from the wisdom of East
Lancashire called in he said look it
worked on Australia why would it work in
Australia not in the UK well I think
Australia is a different country with a
different set of problems I mean we have
a very yeah you’re right Australia is
definitely different country am I right
because you know Congo and Rwanda
they’re quite um now
now I’m just trying to get this right in
my head but um yeah I think are you on
question time next time um Australia’s
different okay has a different set of
issues the very particular problem we
have is that we’re very kind of
geographically close to France and
people are making this trip across the
channel that’s the specific point I’ve
yet to see evidence that people are
going to stop coming over on small boats
that’s the metric by which richy accept
the success of this policy what we’re
hearing is people are now
depart days it’s only just become law
and surely what this point so people who
want there are lots of people who want
this policy to fail right there are lots
of people who just say I fundamentally
disagree with the principle I want this
policy to fail but I understand that’s
perfectly legitimate view to take one I
completely disagree with but I
understand that view point but those of
us who want this policy to succeed and
it is designed to try and stop people
being exploited Ed by these vile people
traffic GS people losing their life in
the English Channel this is you know
those of us who wanted to it to succeed
could look at this and say look if the
idea of this is that people will be put
off being in our United Kingdom because
they think they might be taken to aanda
surely this is good news the idea that
the Irish Deputy Prime Minister is
saying look we’re already seeing that
this threat of people being cental
rander is such a disincentive for
wanting to be in the United Kingdom
people are leaving the United Kingdom
and to Island now you hope that that
message may be heard in France and
people will stop making the Journeys in
the first place surely that’s what the
prime minister is aiming I I just don’t
know if that’s going to happen I think
if I you know these criminal gangs
they’re still going to be telling people
you’ve got a really good chance of
getting to England you can always Lodge
a legal case they’ve not got it sorted
in the courts you know you can say all
these know we’ve still got all those
things to come all those uh legal and
logistical hurdles don’t knowe Minister
we don’t know how many people are going
to get on those planes we don’t know if
there were going to be last minute legal
challeng is we don’t know if rwanda’s
going to act as a deterrent we really
really don’t if you’re desperate enough
to come to the UK and get on a really
perilous boat um across the SE where you
know hundreds of people have died why
would being deported the the threat of
being part of the 2,000 people being
deported to Rwanda the the plan the plan
of the government is to to make it a
very big scheme I appreciate it’s going
to start small but look let’s wait and
see but I say I’m one of those people
who wants us to succeed and we want to
hear from you at home actually on 0344
499
1,000 uh if you wanted to succeed or
maybe you just think it is doomed to
failure I’m joined Now by John
McAn former adviser Tony Blair we’re
sort of slightly moving subject here
John because you are knowledgeable and
want to talk to us about this situation
facing Hamza yussef up in Scotland
surely is hang hanging but by a thread
is he going to hold
on uh not a
chance uh and the reason uh why he won’t
be able to hang on uh is there’s one
voice in the balance one person uh who
could save him and that is Ash rean who
he defeated in the leadership election
who’s an MSP who defected from the uh s
SMP to Alex Salmon’s party Alba and when
she
defected Hamza didn’t say it was a sad
day well we normally say it’s sad to
lose colleagues I think you will have
felt it was sad to lose Lee Anderson I
think it’s sad when we lose people in
our parties he crowed and he said that
she wouldn’t be missed and having given
her a kick uh through the door when she
left she is likely to return the favor
to him because she sent him a letter um
asking him for assurances before she
pledges her vote and she’s done um she’s
um she’s she’s made him an offer he’s
going to have to
refuse well I mean I think it probably
speaks to the fact that ham YF isn’t a
very good politician the fact that he
sort of uh thought he was moment of
optimum political power to end the
Coalition with the greens people have
told me that it was going to end anyway
and then to do that sort of spiteful
sort of you know goodbye don’t get your
backside trapped in the door on your way
out to his former leadership contenders
they make come back and bite him so if
he doesn’t survive what is the likely
outcome going to be do you think the S&P
will manage to scratch together another
Coalition of sorts that has the
confidence of the Scottish Parliament or
are we heading towards uh national
elections in
Scotland that that’s the real question I
think Hamza um is not just on life
support uh hums is about to have his
life support unplugged the question is
the vote that’s going to be next week uh
T by the Scottish conservatives is a v
no confidence in ham USF himself
technically he doesn’t need to do
anything as a result of that but I think
politically he will have to resign the
S&P will try to find uh another
candidate for first Minister that will
cause them problems there are deep
splits in them between their uh their
left and their right uh people who
believe in a more fiscally conservative
approach to Scotland and people who
believe you can just splash the cash
everywhere the problem is if you don’t
have majority you can’t appoint a first
Minister if the other parties simply
oppose what you’re proposing and that
that is where this thing hangs in the
balance again which is that um there is
there are 65 people in total oppos the
S&P when you counting Ash rean and the
two greens um who Hamza has pushed out
there are there are 63 um SNP msps who
can vote in that situation if all the
opposition parties decide they want to
push hard for 28 days all they need to
do is vote down whoever the S&P put up
they don’t need to get involved in
proposing a first Minister because in in
in Scotland unlike in England if you
cannot oppose is you canot appoint a
first Minister the election general
election automatically happens after 28
days and I would have thought uh the
Alex Sam’s party see advantage in a vote
because it hurts the S SMP at the very
least and maybe brings them in some
candidates uh labor definitely because
they’re riding high in the polls the
liberal Democrats definitely because um
they uh they see advantages here the
greens simply for Revenge um and the
Scottish conservatives because acting
against the p is showing it be one of
the few areas at the moment where the
government the governing party I should
say the governing Party conservatives
can act in a way which actually is
aligned with a lot of where voters are
in Scotland I think most most Scottish
voters are looking at this show and
looking the say what a shower um it’s
time for a change and I think that sense
uh sense that across the country maybe
it’s time for a general election I think
that will come out in Scotland in the
politics so Hamza is is a goner um
there’s a there’s a really high chance
of of of an election the only way
through um is for Hamza to bring back
his two greens not going to happen um to
bring in Ash Reagan not going to happen
or to do a deal with the Scottish
conservatives and that that doesn’t feel
like it’s in the interests of uh
Scotland and I I think we’d be on a
skiing Holiday In Hell before uh they’re
together maybe we I don’t know whether
you’re a ski but maybe we could go to
aymore uh but uh maybe skiing Holiday In
Hell before uh the went into Coalition
with the which probably means it’s about
to happen because my my my my powers of
prediction are about as bad as anyone
else of uh moving away from Scotland to
a more uh sort of nationally focused
issue interesting news from the labor
party yesterday about their plans to
renationalize rail franchises as of when
they come up for Renewal uh all polling
shows is quite popular with the general
public do you think this will lead to
improvements in Services uh and will we
seeing improvements on our rail ra
because of it um obviously as a loyal
labor party supporter and strategist I
would like to believe it would lead to
improvements um I think the danger in
the railways is to think that any Simple
Solution will will create a simple uh
result the issue with a lot of service
disruption is the ongoing industrial
action so labor what is doing is not
just nationalizing the railways it’s
nationalizing industrial conflict uh and
I think unless the labor party can see a
way in which they can stop the
industrial action uh where ASF drivers
are refusing to work overtime uh and
therefore creating vacancies uh for
drivers um they’ll they’ll be stuck with
the same situation you have to deal with
the industrial issue um I don’t think
rail staff are particularly underpaid
drivers almost certainly armed and I
think you know labor are
bring to themselves um an industrial
which the Tory government have been
unable to resolve and I’m not saying the
Tories are better or worse at this it’s
just it’s a really sticky issue because
to win a strike on the railways you have
to be willing to close the railways down
so I think this is a much more Nuance
piece and I personally uh have been a
long-term supporter of Railway
privatization uh I don’t think there is
an easy solution by national by by by by
nationalizing again okay well K ster
said that their plan will end the boom
and bust in the rail industry made that
announcement at uh a rail Factory I
think it was the Tachi Factory in the
north of England
how oh look I think the the the argument
is stability because we’ve we have had
one thing which I I think everybody has
to accept um is the railways are have
been effectively uh run by Department of
Transport um since the pandemic they
couldn’t have been run uh without
support for DFT and the opportunity
that’s there is I when I talk to railway
Chief Executives they say there is more
interference by civil servants ad
ministers in the railways than there
even was in the days of British Rail so
if we’re going to have the franchises
brought in I would like to see the
franchise is run uh by by by City region
Mayors I’d like see Steve Bram running a
franchise I’d like to see Andy Burnham
Andy Street as it is now I’d like Ben
Hoin perhap look I’d like to see the
city region Mayors running the transport
Fran I don’t want to see the DFT
bureaucrats running it if you can take
out some of that uh that interference
and have it more responsive to local
labor markets local democracy then we
could see a way to to a different way
because Steve Rod to to give as you has
sort out Mery rail in a very imaginative
way got peace with the unions and got a
decent service running so I can see that
if you move from we had we had
privatization we had the pandemic we got
big subsidies um let’s move to a to to a
better more passenger oriented one
there’s some consensus in the um in the
industry about where to go the Williams
review uh I was about to I was about to
pick up the fact that William that was
suggested by The Williams review part of
the government strategic rail review the
labor party has slightly moved away from
that though because the reason they say
they want to renationalize these
franchises is to stop the fragmentation
of the service which they say is hugely
inefficient and leads to this Boomer bus
of course implementation of the Williams
review would be the ultimate
fragmentation of it and does pose
without going too deeply into it some
challenges for example how you do smart
ticketing look I think I think the
tension in the Willams review and
without getting too nerd nerdy about it
is you know you do need a guiding mind
but who is The Guiding mind going to be
and
um the challenge is this has all got to
be located in the context of
decarbonizing
uh our transport of which Railway will
play a key role but buses will play a
bigger role um and electric vehicles
will play an even bigger role so it’s
part of the you know the broader
Ambitions of labor for 2030 to
decarbonize energy generation and to hit
our Net Zero targets so these things are
complex because they’re interl um and I
think that’s why I believe there’s no
simple solution but done the right way
we could get faster in the right
direction okay well John you you all
right is no symbol solu look finally
we’ve been discussing on the show today
that uh the deputy prime minister of
Ireland complaining that the passage of
the Rwanda Bill through Parliament has
has seen the number of migrants going
from Northern Ireland to the Republic of
Ireland or even from Wales directly to
the Republic of Ireland go up by 50% he
blames fear of the Rwanda bill is that
evidence that it’s working or evidence
that it’s going to
fail um so one the Rwanda Bill isn’t
going to work um uh because getting 150
people uh to Rwanda he’s not going to be
deterrent we’ve seen the tragedy this
week of five people dying drowning as
they as as they they tried to cross if
you’re not deterred by death you’re not
going to be deterred uh by by the remote
chance of being sent Rwanda I think the
issue that the Irish uh government are
signaling is the government in the UK
has no solution for the fact that since
March last year um people cannot apply
for asylum in the UK
that means um there are tens of
thousands uh 75,000 now and growing
people who have arrived in UK uh they’re
in the UK they cannot apply they cannot
be told whether they’ve got a legal uh a
right to stay because that’s been taken
away from them um they’re in a limbo and
if you can travel internally in the UK
as you can and travel internally in the
common travel area between between here
and Ireland why wouldn’t go to Ireland
and it’s the issue that that that your
panel were discussing which is this is a
global challenge we do not have much
pressure on this the most pressure
pressurized countries with refugees and
Asylum Seekers uh are in the global
South we have to play our part in burden
sharing and we have to play our part the
right part for for Britain uh which is
you know Britain’s not a cruel country
it’s a generous country and the idea
that the emblem of our migration policy
our s policy should be one that is
designed to be so cruel you wouldn’t
want to come here um that’s shameful for
Britain it’s shameful for for our nation
and it should really be shameful for the
government we’re a greater bigger
country than that John thank you so much
for joining us that’s John murn former
advisor to Tony Blair still with me is
Stella chandidu and Zer Grim Stella um
is the government cruel you think that’s
a fair analysis I think they are I think
they are cruel and I think that they are
using the misery of human beings uh to
bolster their own electoral agenda I
don’t want to speak personally I don’t
want to use such characterizations but I
think that the policy is completely
inhumane and anyone who’s seeing it from
across the world is thinking wait a
minute I thought that I thought the UK
was a country to look up to in terms of
how much they respect human rights they
respect human life how civilized and
open-minded they are in fact there is
data that shows that the UK is one of
the best places where immigrants
assimilate the most it is a great
success story how well immigrants in the
UK are doing especially after the first
or second generation and I think that it
is such a shame that we are playing that
down because it speaks some of the best
values of British people how well
immigrants are assimilating here well
you know I just I I just can’t
reflecting that I I think that’s a very
London view so if you I mean London is
one of the most Cosmopolitan cities in
the world it’s certainly much more
Cosmopolitan than many of the parts of
the United Kingdom if you know I think
the government is reacting to a
legitimate concern of of a lot of its
citizens and you know most people in
this country do not live in cities most
people live outside cities I mean we do
have lots of big cities but the majority
you know we heard from our caller there
from Burnley he thinks this is
completely the right thing for the
government to do um but I just wonder
whether people involved in politics just
don’t have the the right sort of uh you
know the the the right the right sort of
instincts on this I think the government
isn’t it because you’re saying that you
know people outside this is a very
London centered view and you you said
that you know there are more immigrants
obviously in London London is a very
Cosmopolitan City so very often the
voters who will be the most concerned
about immigrants will be the ones who
don’t actually have to live with them
they will be the ones who have the least
immigrants in their communities who will
be the most H worried about them and
Afraid and I think this is because they
don’t live next to them they don’t have
this I disagree with you I think why
people are concerned about immigration
to this country because
they legal migration than legal
migration which is at a much bigger
scale is actually if we’re creating the
a city the size of Birmingham every
single every 18 months and you know of
people coming to the UK you look at burm
it’s got 14 hospitals primary care
hospitals it’s got a th000 GPS it’s got
400 secondary schools nearly 600 primary
schools no government no matter what
party is no government is building
hospitals at rate of 14 a year and what
that means is if we’re not building the
infrastructure for the The increased
population of the United Kingdom what it
actually means is people who already
live here wherever they’re from in the
world cannot access Public Services
maybe you disagree with me at home but
that’s why we want you to keep getting
in touch on 0344 499 1000 keep those
calls coming in because Irene from Essex
is our latest Star here on talk TV Irene
um on this issue of Randa do you think
that it is beginning to work or do you
think it’s
hopeless I don’t think I don’t think
it’s hopeless I don’t think it
works um for the immigrants and Asylum
Seekers who are already here but with um
something else put in place beforehand I
think it might have an effect on those
considering coming across on the boats
I’ve never understood why we take these
people in we’re very trusting very
accepting but we don’t know who the
people are we don’t know what their
motives are and without really checking
they’re allowed to just go and live in
the hotel and then roam pretty freely
and it’s all done on trust which is
often misplaced yeah um for me um for
the for those that do make it to our
Shores I think they should be picked up
immediately kept well away from um
lawyers the clergy and would be do
gooders
um taken immediately to a secure base um
something perhaps along the lines of
Camp Bastion stuck on stuck on Salsbury
plane um surrounded by firing ranges
that would be secure enough and kept
there and if they’re found to be
legitimate Asylum Seekers and can go
some way to proving their case to
staying then fine maybe consider those
bit hard for them to do that AR if
they’re not allowed to see lawyers
though isn’t it I mean they do have to
you know they do have to have their
their right to make their case once
they’re here I guess well well maybe but
I think a lot of the lawyers are in it
for the wrong reason not necessarily for
the welfare of uh of the immigrants a
lot of them are thinker there to make
money that’s well they certainly do get
paid by by the taxpayer AR do do so do
you applaud the government for being so
tough even just using this very tough
language on immigration or do you think
do you think maybe they need to go
further or soften their
stance that’s a difficult one I do think
we couldn’t carry on the way that we
have been there has to be something that
brings it to a halt um I’ve never been
completely INF faor of the ruanda idea
but if it is going to be there if the
people sort of contemplating coming know
know that when they arrive they’re not
going to be put in comfortable hotels
give pocket money and allowed to go Here
There and Everywhere but that their face
with being detained in a secure compound
until such time is their case all and
that’s what so many of our viewers
listeners and callers say is that we we
had this a few weeks ago on the show is
is Britain a soft touch and sounds from
what you say that you you may think we
are a bit of a soft touch Irene thank
you very much for calling into the show
coming up after the break we’re going to
be talking about tourism fees being
introduced in Venice I’m Jake Barry and
you’re with talk
TV hey very good morning to you thanks
for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
on radio online and we’re on your smart
speaking now you ain’t going to AB and
Eve it me old chin but a new report is
calling for a new definition of cot name
all right Jeremy me old China o o
Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
be honest when a man goes out and kills
we should talk about them as what they
are a biological man transwoman not a
woman transwoman is a man lee would have
to go much further than his statement I
mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
and he understood the prime minister’s
position but I think he’d need to say
that he’ got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from P City councel lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
received an email just saying um that
yeah I’m I’m going to be getting a budge
quite right too quite right too it’s
that time again to get the violins out
that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
bid for UK security after moaning he’d
been singled
out May might as well will be discussing
an invasion of darx for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my8 pound
noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
probably know what are you doing I’m
just about to do it oh o it’s carry on
what just
happened
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put a statue
of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry I know it’s I know it’s coming and
I can’t stop laughing so he suggested
Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
that’s quite small statue then was it
they’re also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker need one of those in
chaga Square you just got to walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything uh was he just unlucky
getting that question with an ice cream
or is it a sign of something more seemed
like he was on a late night show to
attract a young demographic and um they
put him in an ice cream store I read the
statement this morning from the family
and if any police officer reads that
statement if you don’t cry for what you
read from what the family is saying it’s
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry like a
feminist fa supposed to another she was
22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
that don’t honk back on something you
did that was wrong to TV it’s the only
place where you get the truth
welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
and you’re with talk TV and we want to
hear from you today is the government’s
rander policy going to work let us know
0344 499
1,000 and moving from Rwanda to another
holiday destiny ation Venice in fact
where I had my second honeymoon a
fantastic City but if I went there now
I’m going to have to pay a day to even
get through the gate this is new and
people in Italy aren’t very happy about
it joining me now is travel correspond
independent Simon CER who I think is in
Italy Northern Italy was in Venice
yesterday I believe um there was Major
protest yesterday wasn’t there people
were calling it Venice land like
Disneyland there certainly were Jake I
was actually the very first person to go
across through the checkpoint with my
five EUR pass I’d applied as I was told
to do online in advance to get the
permit anybody going in today for the
next nine days as well and then all the
busy weekends up until the 14th of July
has to have that permit or you can just
turn up with a 5e note and hand it over
and they’ll let you in and then you’re
staying actually in a hotel and I dare
say on your honeymoon you were in a
hotel in Venice in which case you’re
already paying a big city tax so
therefore they’re not going to charge
you any more money very controversial on
all sorts of levels so for example what
about people who have limited means are
you going to deprive them of one of the
Great accomplishments of creativity one
of the great cultural hubs of the world
and I’m talking to the chap who brought
it in the deputy Simone borini he said
look they can always turn up on another
day that’s what the whole idea is but
very controversial and I met a whole
bunch of people last night from Grimsby
who were just going in who were I’m
sorry to say this possibly coming up
with a a clever way of pretending they
were staying at the hotel at a hotel but
they weren’t do not do that it’s against
the rules and you can’t get a 500 fine
there we are the Ingenuity of the
British people makes me proud to be
British s come on Grimsby we’re with you
but look a couple of things on on this
so it’s particularly designed bizarrely
to discourage Italians from going isn’t
he because the Italians love visiting
Venice a fantastic City I don’t see why
they they shouldn’t do within their own
country but it is an aim to try and get
particularly Italian visitors not to
come at the busiest times that is the
stated aim of the charge is it not yeah
it is it’s it’s been really badly um
reported around the world um as you know
they don’t want T tourists there they
know that if you’re spending 500 EUR or
450s on a trip to Venice then frankly
you’re not going to make a fuss about
the odd you know 1% however if you are
coming in because you happen to live in
lovely bologna or triest or Milan and
you want to come in for the day which
loads of Italians do because it’s
beautiful and it’s near so why wouldn’t
they it’s bit like us you know if you
live in Manchester going to want to go
to York because it’s gorgeous um if you
live in Birmingham you might want to go
to b or to Stratford or to Chester or
exactly the same thing so talking to my
new friend Simone he says yeah here’s
what we’re trying to do it’s just to say
to those people you know five five euros
will make a bit of difference to your
trip so why don’t you come a different
weekend um or or ideally a wet Wednesday
in November when nobody else is here and
we’ll be delighted to accommodate you
you’ll have a better experience so will
the locals and so will all the other
tourists who are just coming here in
July and August because they do because
that’s because they’re tourists the
introduction of this charge Simon has
been linked to Venice potentially being
put on the Red List uh uh by the world
heritage
organization uh H how how is this money
going to be spent is it all going to be
spent on defending the heritage of
Venice or is it going to be spent in
other
ways it’s mostly going to be spent from
what I could see on the hundreds of
student who are enforcing it you come
out of Santa Luchia station which is the
main entrance point the railway station
going across the corway to Venice and
there’s a line of probably 20 people hi
his jackets checking your papers
collecting your five EUR having a look
at your phone to make sure you got the
right code actually an awful lot of
people proving that they were born in
Venice or they worked there or whatever
and so there’s high cost there but
actually talking to the deputy mayor he
says we don’t want to make any money the
less money that we make the happier I
will be because it means that it’s
acting as a deterrent people are staying
away rather than just thinking well I’ll
pay that I’m going to be coming in so uh
yeah that it’s not a moneymaking thing
but exactly as you say Jake UNESCO the
world heritage organization said you
hang on Venice you’ve got to smarten up
here they have successfully banned
cruise ships which used to park you know
just a couple of hundred meters from St
Mark Square so you’d have this massive
ship and 6,000 people getting off it um
next to one of the most beautiful places
in the world so they now sort of go f
around the corner um and and they have
to get busted in um but ultimately it is
a really serious challenge what do you
do with somewhere which is so beautiful
and so alluring so magnetic to so many
people and they can do this because
benice unlike other places you know for
instance York um
there’s aund different ways into the
beautiful city center whereas with
Venice there’s only a very few finite
number of ways you can get into Venice
uh mostly on the railway some on the
buses um on the road link and then a few
Ferry services so it’s relatively easy
to police but um interesting people have
had enough of tourists like me I’m
afraid Simon thank you so much I hope
you enjoyed your trip to Venice with
your 5os ready thanks Simon still with
me is Zer and Stella Zer a bit of a fan
of Venice I’ve I’ve been to Venice a
couple of times so I guess I’m part of
the problem I have to say I went uh in
summer and it was so busy it was
absolutely heaving um but then I went
back in winter in January and it was
just beautiful and it was quiet every it
was just had a totally different
atmosphere and I think this is quite
important I think a lot of people like
to visit Venice in the summer cze of
summer holidays they can get there when
it’s nice and hot actually there’s so
much charm to this place at other times
of the year and if if they can do some
kind of traffic a bit in the winter
though doesn’t it the W government has
proposed to introducing said they’d come
forward proposals to introduce a tourism
tax in Wales this year we haven’t heard
anything from them yet do you think
that’s going to put people off the
tourism in the there are other towns
like I think York is actually another
place that is proposing it do you think
that’s going to put people off for
stationing in the United Kingdom I guess
the point is it makes people think twice
and it will hopefully manage some of
those influxes of crowds particular busy
times I mean I think the thing about
Wales is I think Wales will always be an
attractive destination because compared
to other places in the UK like Cornwall
for example it’s relatively cheap um and
you know it’s much closer to the north
of England than it is easier to get to
yes was a very long way Stella um are
you going to be rushing forward with
your five euros in your hand to uh you
know stand in Venice and drink an
overpriced coffee on St Mark Square H I
hate I hate how much more expensive they
are than Greece I think that it’s a
beautiful place but I think that they
right in what they’re doing because what
they what they’re saying makes sense if
you go to Venice until about 6:00 in the
afternoon I think or something like that
it’s completely F full with tourists you
cannot even walk through which makes it
a hell to live there and honestly it is
going eventually this place it is going
to lose a lot of its beauty if we allow
people to to go there in such large
numbers it should only be for rich
people then no it shouldn’t be but I do
think that because of social media
because of Instagram everyone is is is
is looking what what what what beautiful
photos all these influencers I agree
with you I agree with you there should
be there should be there should be some
kind of rule where you should be able to
access this place eventually or there
should be some days that are you know
only only available for well that that’s
what they that’s what they do so it’s
not every single day of the year I’ve
been to Venice Twice first time fell in
the canal uh didn’t go well for me
second time on my honeymoon too it
wasn’t that bad that time anyway some of
you have been getting in touch on 03444
n9100 keep those calls coming in let’s
go to Michael from Wales who wants to
talk about the rationalization of the
alwayss Michael thank you so much for
calling into to the show hello Jay how
are you I’m very well good I think
you’re one of the few that I’ve not
spoken to okay well it’s my last day
today so thank goodness you got over the
line right ariva trains Wales is
effectively already nationalized is it a
good service no h and it is I tell you
what Jake I used to work on the railway
for 15
years I worked before it was National it
was privatized and then after it was
prived
sied and no
comparison well it was a lot better it
was a lot better it was a lot better for
the staff I mean it was just overnight
it was just the end of dirty scruffy
uniforms we used to get uni I worked um
on
catering and H it was you know new
uniforms it was uh you worked towards
something I used I I I actually after it
was privatized work myself but from a
humble steward
to the top man in Padington station
catering wise I I was made up to a a p
on a first class Pullman wow was
the all Welsh
ministers so you think I was just
interested because you got direct
experience so you think the franchise
privatization which run by aanti on the
west coast Mainline various others gwr
various other ones has been a success
look because you live in Wales um what
what’s reliability like on on Welsh
Welsh Railways I’m pretty sure it’s yeah
it’s it’s quite good actually J you know
yeah you know no complaints early and
stuff
um it it’s just I I think if there was
renationalized there is no incentive to
do your job properly you know and they
was always on strike and I think it’s
the youer younger generation now who
going oh yeah you know nationalize them
they don’t remember what it was like
before yeah quite quite completely agree
with you Michael thank you so much for
calling into the show I’m glad you got
me on my last day coming up we’re going
to be talking about a a problem
apparently 14 million Brits have an
undiagnosed sleep disorder well maybe
you’re one of them I’m Jake Barry this
is talk
TV hey very good morning to you thanks
for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
on radio online and we’re on your smart
speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
eve it me old chin but a new report is
calling for a new definition of cotney
all right Jeremy me old China o go when
JK Rowling says let’s just be honest
it’s all she’s saying let’s just be
honest when a man goes out and kills we
should talk about them as what they are
a biological man transwoman is not a
woman transwoman is a man lee would have
to go much further than his statement I
mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
and understood the prime minister’s
position but I think he’d need to say
that he got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed
an email just saying um that yeah I’m
going to be getting a badge right too
quite right too it’s that time again to
get the violins out that’s right Prince
Harry has lost his bid for UK security
after moaning he’d been singled out
might as well be discussing an invasion
of DARS for all I really get this but
but but I am now on social media having
been dragged off my 8 pound noia
reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a
huge hit on Instagram as you probably
know what are you doing I’m just about
to do it oh it’s carry on what just
happened
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put statue
of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
sorry I know I know it’s coming and I
can’t stop laughing so he suggested
Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
that’s quite small statue then wasn’t
there also a
prostitute a
trans sex worker you don’t really need
one of those in choga square he just got
to walk up to
soos Why do you know this because I know
everything uh was he just unlucky
getting that question with an ice cream
or is it a sign of something more seemed
like he was on a late night show to
attract a young demograph epic and U
they put him in an ice cream store I
read the St this morning from the family
and if any police officer reads that
statement if you don’t cry for what you
read from what the family is saying is
heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
police officer the UK I’d say had lots
of racism within it I don’t NE think
it’s a racist country but it permeates
our institutions but for her to say come
out and vote and by the way when I was
22 years old and I had an affair with a
married man that I knew was married the
feminist failed me I’m sorry the
feminist did fa supped another she was
22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
that don’t hon back on something you did
that was wrong to TV it’s the only place
where you get the truth
welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
and you’re with talk TV keep calling us
on 0344 499 1000 if you want to let us
know whether you think the government’s
Randa policy is working or not after
news that people are pouring in from
Northern Ireland to the Republic of
Ireland apparently in fear of being sent
to Rwanda coming up next here on the
show we’re talking about extraordinary
new statistics that show that 14 million
Britain are unknowingly living with a
sleep
disorder I’m joined now for more by
Healthcare expert thorner goind hello
good to see you thank you very much for
coming on the show today um really
interesting story this oh I I I I’m
quite an early riser is is that part of
the problem why are Brits not sleeping
properly well there’s a multitude of
reasons why we’re not sleeping properly
I am actually the opposite and I cannot
go to sleep and then uh struggle to get
up in the morning so I know exactly how
um my fellow Brits are feeling here so
you have 14 million with an undiagnosed
um sleep disorder and we know as well
that there’s
multifactorial reasons so things like
alcohol use we know that people are um
borrowing other people’s medication for
example sleep medication to help them go
to sleep we know that people are
accessing uh sleep medications from
their Pharmacy uh more often as well and
the other problem is that um so
cognitive behavioral therapy is the key
treatment that should be given by um the
NHS for this we know it’s really hard to
access as well um one of the solutions
that people have suggested is that the
government should come up with a sleep
strategy do you think we’d all sleep
better if the government was telling us
what to
do I think there’s lots of strategies
that the government should uh be coming
up with but ultimately this is a little
bit about access to healthc care isn’t
it if sometimes people um you know one
in six have a in an in an insomnia
problem so we know that if we even know
that they are trying to access care and
sometimes they G being given medication
because that’s easier to access than
some of the as I say the CBT those um
talking therapies so really I think
there’s a lot for the government to do
but it comes as part of the whole
healthc care strategy
really and how important is accessing
decent sleep to people’s functioning
throughout the day
well if you think about it just on a on
a basis of it can really impact how
you’re able to be productive so if the
government wants to make us more
productive actually they maybe should be
thinking about sleep a little bit more
we also know your risk of um Strokes of
cancers and other conditions is
increased if you aren’t getting your uh
decent night’s sleep it makes a big
impact on the skin for example and
production of um key uh key uh proteins
in the skin so I think really U we
should will be looking at getting a
better night sleep but it is hard um and
some so some tips for for viewers try
and make sure you’re trying to go to
sleep at at the same time each night if
you are sat there and you’re counting
sheep don’t be afraid of getting up
doing a little walk around and then
trying again nobody wants to sit there
staring at the ceiling all night um and
don’t be afraid of asking for help as
well this is a condition that Healthcare
professionals are used to having
conversations about they’re really
really good tips and we appreciate you
give them to our viewers what is a
healthy amount of sleep we often hear
people talking about as needing a
minimum of seven hours is that a
reasonable rule of thumb or or is there
another amount we should all be
seeking I think about 7 to9 hours really
and we heard Margaret thater ran on four
didn’t we but um while she did live to
her an old age I can’t say uh that and I
know all the prime ministers are
following that same routine is something
that I would be advocating um and we
know children or sleep as well so um I
think it’s also about the quality of
sleep not just about the number of hours
so really getting into um that deep
sleep which is where our body starts to
really repair some of the things that
have happened through the day is Key
Well we we’ve heard read in this report
about dangerous consequences for people
having a lack of sleep it’s all very
it’s quite easy for people to think that
this isn’t a serious situation and
people just need to go to bed a bit
earlier but there are very very serious
health issues that have been linked to
this uh sleep deficit what what are the
main ones that people should be aware
of to things like smoking sorry things
like the risk of Strokes the risk of
cancer I think the other issue is we
know that people are self-medicated with
alcohol so there can be other add-ons
that are risk factors because people are
trying to deal with their sleep as
well um and what what would be your top
tip then for someone who really is
struggling with this uh what What’s the
top tip that our viewers should take
away with them if they do have concern
that they are one of those 14 million
undiagnosed people here in the United
Kingdom the biggest thing you can do to
help your healthc care professional is
to keep a sleep diary so thinking about
and maybe what time you went to sleep
and what time you’re waking up and the
quality of sleep that means that when
you can then go and access a healthc
care professional and you shouldn’t be
afraid of doing that you can provide
some really helpful insight so they can
help you with your treatment fantastic
well thank you so much for joining us
here on the show to diso discuss such an
important and unknown issue about
Britain’s healthc Care thank you very
much Stella and Zoe are still with me
really interesting Insight I thought
there um Stella this idea of a sleep
diary not something I ever would have
thought about quite a clever way of
trying to track the the fact that you
are getting enough sleep a lot isn’t it
yeah I mean a lot of people obviously
will be wearing Apple watches and
fitbits and things like that so they
will they will already have an an idea
of how much they are sleeping or whether
they’re or you can just ask yourself
every morning right how how how well
arrested do I feel but I think there is
something to be said about not freaking
out about how much sleep you’re getting
because this will mean that you get more
stressed and you sleep less but also I
think there are some very interesting
Health insights into how much British
people sleep because another big problem
in terms of health in the UK is obesity
and losing sleep is has been shown to
increase risk of obesity so I do think
this is a very interesting angle for the
government to think about whether they
should consider tackling people’s uh
sleep as well as mental health
implications of course because we know
that sleeping less is going to
exacerbate healthy certain mental health
condition you think so I’ve read in this
article it says that what one thing the
government needs to do is have a
sleeping strategy I mean I you know
isn’t that part of this culture we live
in is you something’s going wrong with
Society what can the government do about
it I mean I if the government with the
sleeping strategy number one I wouldn’t
read it number two even if I did I’d
ignore it this has got to be about
better education and access to
healthcare rather than the government
telling you how many hours sleep you’re
going to go I mean I think that it makes
perfect sense that we would have reports
and that we would be able to to to gauge
the the state of the the health of
people in the UK what I think the
government should focus on is their main
priorities need to be you know
government functions make sure
government departments work well sure
the NHS works well yeah rather than
having rather than like you know I don’t
don’t think that I don’t think there is
much the government the alternative
anything that actually changes people’s
lives is to say let’s have a strategy
about isn’t S yeah I think that’s
absolutely true I mean that the argument
that you know it could be uh there could
be a role for the government to
intervene is the point that the
healthcare expert made which actually
does have a knock on impact on
productivity know the government is you
know super hot on trying to improve
productivity trying to get people back
to work clearly sleep just like any
other kind of public health issue just
like mental health they’re all factors
there but I do tend to agree I think
really the biggest problem here clearly
is that people aren’t getting the health
care that they need because of you know
NHS backlogs because of problem seeing
GPS if people have problems with their
sleep they should go to the doctor I
think most people do know that I don’t
think they need to be told not sure they
do I I don’t think I don’t think I would
immediately go Trot off to see my Jep I
guess it would depend how much it’s
interfering with your health if you were
really really struggling to sleep you
couldn’t sleep without self-medication
you were incredibly stressed it was you
know having an impact on your mental
health then you might think about seeing
a doctor um for example but I absolutely
think this all kind of goes hand in hand
it’s a cycle if you’re stressed if
you’re not accessing Healthcare that’s
all going to have an impact on your
sleep as well there you go I I wish you
all a good night’s sleep don’t don’t let
it get on top of you sadly we’ve come to
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thank every single one of you for
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months I have been here on the channel I
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and every single person who’s been such
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speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
eveve IT me old Chinas but a new report
is calling for a new definition of cop
name all right Jeremy me old China o o
treat go
when JK Rowling says let’s just be
honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
be honest when a man goes out and kills
we should talk about them as what they
are a biological man transwoman is not a
woman transwoman is a man lee would have
to go f much further than his statement
I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
and he understood the prime minister’s
position but I think he’d need to say
that he got it
wrong then I had a phone call this
morning um from PR city council lovely
woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
received an email just saying um that
yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
quite right quite right too it’s that
time again to get the violins out that’s
right Prince Harry has lost his bid for
UK security after moaning he’d been
singled
out you might as well be discussing an
invasion of DARS for all I really get
this but but but I am now on social
media having been dragged off my eight
pound noia reluctantly Kicking and
Screaming I I’m a huge hit on Instagram
as you probably know what are you doing
I’m was just about to do it oh it’s
carry on what just happened were
missing there was a suggestion by some
that maybe it would nice to put a statue
of the queen on the four
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What’s happened to Kevin?