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    week Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister has
    complained of the threat of those being
    deported to Randa has led to more
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    talk TV with me Jake Barry and today we
    are asking you a really important
    question that we want to hear from you
    today I was amazed when I read the
    papers they see here that the deputy
    prime minister of Ireland says that
    because people are so worried about
    being sent to Rwanda it’s making them go
    to Ireland basically from north to south
    on the island of Ireland now I was
    amazed by this because I thought well
    half the time people are telling us this
    policy isn’t going to work government
    passed its random policy this week now
    we hear from our friends and Neighbors
    in the Republic of Ireland that it’s
    working so well that there is a
    significant statistical increase I think
    as they put it of people leaving
    Northern Ireland and going to the
    Republic and that’s why we want to hear
    from you because we want to know do you
    believe that the Rwanda policy which is
    passed by parliament this week is going
    to work and if so why and we wanted you
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    top stories as political journalist Zoe
    gromor and former labor special adviser
    Stella chander kidu welcome to the show
    thanks very much for coming on I I I
    have recovered from my terrible Auto
    like the team thought they could put one
    tongue twister in there they might just
    get two tongue twisters from a poor old
    Northern boy like me I just but you do
    so well with my last name Jak well there
    we go Stella you you are a regular we
    love having you on right so let’s start
    with that big social question we’re
    asking people to get in touch with about
    the Rwanda Bill apparently it is working
    so well already that the Deputy Prime
    Minister of the Republic of island is
    already panicking because 50% more
    people are going to iseland from from
    Northern Ireland do you think that’s
    right Stella do you think no I call fake
    news there this this is not enough
    evidence why does that show that their
    Randa bill is already working I think
    what’s going on is people are realizing
    that the UK is no longer in the EU and
    if they go to Ireland then that means
    that they can have Sanctuary is there
    any such thing as an asylum Seeker from
    Belfast or from the northern Island
    you mean if they go to Ireland and then
    they come to the UK no no I mean the
    other way around so I I’ve often said
    that I don’t really accept that people
    coming from France are fleeing
    persecution they’re not being persecuted
    in France I know under the the remit of
    international law that actually
    technically they are an asylum Seeker
    but I just point out how many Brits
    actually go to France on holiday no
    one’s fleeing persecution in France so
    do you think we’ll hear from the
    government of the Republic of Ireland
    that these people can’t genuinely be
    refugees or Asylum Seekers they’re
    coming from UK United Kingdom a safe
    country and going to Ireland you think
    we’ll start to hear that rat well we’ve
    heard a bit of it actually in some of
    these comments already I think what
    you’re going to see is that if someone
    is is determined to come to the UK they
    may go to Ireland as in the same way
    that they went to France and then make
    their way the point is they can’t get to
    Ireland without going through the UK
    First Ireland is an island the giveaway
    is in the
    title ER so what what what what’s your
    question J you confuse me there no one
    can get to Ireland
    without the question is they’re saying
    people are going from the United Kingdom
    they have already managed to come to the
    yes yes come on zo what do you think
    well it’s just the same as what you were
    saying about France which is that the
    reason that Asim Seekers have to stop in
    France first is because there’s no safe
    and legal routes for them to get to the
    UK without transferring through France
    so you’re right that they’re in a safe
    country before they come to the UK but
    we can’t just say actually we’re not
    going to present any other way for you
    to come here um and therefore not quite
    right to say there’s no safe and legal
    RS
    count lots of people have come from Hong
    Kong quite correctly lots of people come
    from Afghanistan there are there are par
    there are for certain countries but not
    for all these countries and we know
    there are far more people fleeing we
    well does Br have to take you know there
    is the rest of the world why does
    Britain have to take everyone well but
    then but but we’re also being very pick
    and choosy about who we will allow in if
    they well but you can’t just rule out
    entire countries I mean that’s not
    that’s not fair is it surely I mean you
    might want to talk about quot but you
    can’t just so just tell me there I I
    genuinely don’t know but do you know if
    there safe and legal routs from say
    Sudan to Germany are they I I don’t I
    don’t would I don’t I don’t think the
    point reason I asked that is I don’t
    think we are a particular outlier I
    think part of being a Sovereign Nation
    is maintaining The Sovereign territory
    in your borders I absolutely think we
    need to have control over our borders
    but I I think you’re running a double
    standard when you have certain safe and
    legal routes for particular people from
    particular countries and not for others
    think that’s very really so I think to
    be quite relaxed about uh helping people
    from Hong Kong because it was formerly a
    British CH I think they’ be relaxed
    about helping people from Afghanistan
    particularly those who sort of fought
    alongside British soldiers but they may
    they may feel just a bit different about
    Sudan or anywhere you have to ask why
    and then you have tears of what’s
    acceptable persecution for Brits and I’m
    not sure that’s particularly fair is it
    I think you need to have you you should
    take everyone from everyone no I think
    you should have a criteria so if you are
    a for example if you are a pregnant
    woman fleeing a war zone I think you
    should be allowed in no matter what war
    zone you come from do you not think that
    that kind of level well I just guess if
    you’re a pregnant woman fleeing a war
    zone if you got to France she’d say you
    know I’m in a safe country but what if
    you speak English and you already have
    family in the UK well apparently
    apparently they’re all so concerned
    about being sent to Randa we are talking
    about people who enter the country
    legally we’re not talking about so we’re
    are talking about people who get on
    boats and enter
    the quite a lot of what those people are
    doing is of course they’re jumping the
    queue so pregnant women tend not to come
    from war zones because they can’t make
    the terribly perilous journey across the
    land mass of you know Europe and Asia
    wherever they may be coming from at
    North Africa and then get on a dingy so
    if you look at the people arriving in
    the UK there are predominantly young men
    they are not pregnant women I think
    people would be more relaxed about
    pregnant women coming through do you
    think Stella By The same logic every all
    all the refugees should just stay in
    Greece then because that’s where a lot
    of them enter the European Union so they
    all just stay in Greece I mean there was
    this interview of an asylum Seeker um I
    can’t remember I think it was Channel 4
    where he was being asked you know how
    how did he come here and why did he come
    here from Greece when he he had asylum
    in Greece and he was saying oh I just
    don’t want I didn’t want to live in a
    tent there was nowhere for me to stay
    and that’s why I came here and everyone
    was completely enraged by this extremely
    reasonable response to being asked why
    did you not just stay in a country that
    does not have the resources to provide
    for you and I think there is I think
    there is something very bizarre about
    the kind of that we hold Asylum Seekers
    and immigrants to while we think that
    it’s a perfectly admirable quality to
    have as a human being to want to work
    hard and to better yourself and to
    better the prospects of your families
    when it comes to immigrants we think
    there is something really evil and
    corrupted about them wanting find the
    best environment for I don’t know but I
    think what people think is number one
    why is Britain such a soft touch and you
    don’t have to compare us to Greece but
    compare us to France France houses less
    than 50 or fewer than 50% of of the
    migrants in the country actually housed
    by the state in the UK we house all
    migrants we put them in hotels we put
    them working class communities across
    the north of England they change those
    communities they get you know sort of
    houses rented to Circo perfectly good
    terrorist houses that young families
    want to occupy so that’s how it changes
    their Community I think people look at
    that and go why does Britain do no
    wonder they don’t want to stay in France
    if they’ve got a live in a tent why is
    Britain such a soft touch a better
    question is why is our Asylum backlog
    the way that it is why are we not
    tackling it what are we hiding from this
    is what I don’t understand and if there
    is a problem with how many asylums we we
    can actually manage here then this is
    something that we need to negotiate with
    other countries to think what is fair
    what is fair in terms of European and
    international policy what are we doing
    with refugees zo do you think there’s a
    little bit of Shard and freuder in this
    for the Irish Republic because of course
    you know they they they were absolutely
    and I actually correctly you know set on
    the fact particular the European Union
    they were sort of the European Union
    sort of attack dog of brexit they were
    absolutely determined there would be no
    hard border on the island of Ireland
    something that I accept as in the Good
    Friday agreement and now they’re sort of
    victims of that because they’re now
    saying well you know hold on if there’s
    a poorest border between the Republic of
    Ireland and Northern Ireland all of
    these refugees are flooding um they
    didn’t say flooding they said coming to
    coming to Ireland yeah I mean you know
    this is the problem with these poorest
    borders so to speak and this is also the
    the issues that we see in Europe which
    is that it’s very easy I mean I say
    problem I’m kind of using you know this
    particular example but you know you will
    see um people free movement you see
    people moving it’s very easy for them to
    do so um but at the end of the day we we
    knew this was going to be an issue we
    knew this border between Northern
    Ireland and the southern of irland was
    going to be an issue and I think you
    know as Stella says I’m not entirely
    convinced that we are going to see a
    massive influx of migrants into Ireland
    I think that’s probably a little bit of
    scare mongering um but not I mean this
    is the this is the Deputy Prime Minister
    says the policy is already impacting on
    Ireland as people are fearful of staying
    in the UK and they’re fearful because
    they think if we’re in the UK illegally
    we’ll be sent to Randa surely that’s
    what the government has been saying all
    along yeah is this will be a deterrent
    people will leave the UK they go to is
    maybe they just won’t come across on
    France in the first place I’m surprised
    this hasn’t been anticipated I mean has
    this this not been anticipated between
    government officials spoken about I mean
    I guess this is this is an example of
    why taking uh part of the you know the
    United Kingdom out of the EU and and and
    um having the soft border is going to
    make it quite difficult to actually
    Implement in practice well there is
    there is no there is no border um before
    we move on though because we’re going to
    talk about uh Scotland next talking
    about United Kingdom um we do want to
    hear from you at home today because I
    just think this is such an interesting
    story about whether in fact there’s much
    malign policy Rwanda I mean I I’ve done
    this show for months and people have F
    me said this will not work this will not
    work this will will not work over and
    over again apparently according to the
    Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister this is
    already working but if you have an
    opinion on that give me a call on 0344
    499 1000 text in on 872 or tweet us on X
    talktv Zer what is
    happening what is happening in Scotland
    yes good question well we know that um
    it’s looking really tight for humza
    ussef now so um the uh Coalition between
    the greens and the S&P has fallen apart
    um ussef announced his plans to cut ties
    with the green on Thursday they’ve had
    this breakdown in relations following
    the snp’s u- term on its climate targets
    and now we’re just seeing piling in of
    um S&P um sorry of snps uh basically
    calling for a no confidence vote in the
    leader and what we’re seeing now it has
    been accepted is so there was a number
    it needed to go past it was past it
    labor party got behind it the the greens
    are behind it the Liberals are behind it
    the conservatives are behind it actually
    the official opposition in Scotland the
    cons ative uh um msps um but yeah so so
    that is going to happen do we know what
    day it’s so it’s one day next week uh
    yes I believe so although I’m you know
    there’s there’s always the chance that
    ussef stands on the front foot and
    resigns beforehand because who wants to
    see a disastrous no confidence vote well
    apparently he is hanging by a thread uh
    Mr us youf not useless said it then um
    and he’s made a right old mess of things
    actually um Stella do you think this is
    is going to precipitate an early
    election for the Scottish Parliament
    well it might you know because the
    threat that you are talking about is
    personified in asan the S&P MP who who
    who who left the S&P to go to the Alba
    party over women’s rights and
    Independence and as Kevin sofield said
    earlier she’s not the biggest fan of
    Hamza yusf because he said that there is
    no great loss for the S&P when he left
    so this I think it was October last year
    she did she jump Shi to the Alba party
    the Alba part after the break to Neil
    hanvey who’s one of the Alba who’s an
    Alba Member of Parliament here in the
    Westminster Parliament and he sort of
    said you know good riddens bye-bye yes
    and apparently now see how the tables
    have turned she’s the most powerful
    woman in Scottish politics at the moment
    yeah she’s always been nice to people
    unnecessary enemies I say that as
    someone who’s got innumerable enemies I
    I keep apparently being rude about them
    on this show but so this is really
    interesting so what technically is going
    to happen and is that there’s going to
    be this
    vote Scottish Parliament is split
    evenly uh this uh and but if he loses
    the S&P there isn’t it’s a non-binding
    vote of confidence first it’s not like
    the UK House of Commons it’s non-binding
    voter confidence the S&P have then got
    28 days to go and Scrabble around and
    try and find a new leader who can unite
    them they obviously had just over a year
    ago now a leadership election um do do
    you Stella know that who they who they
    might go for or Zoe have you got any
    thoughts about well obviously the the uh
    second place last time was Kate Forbes
    and she was you know quite an
    influential figure in the S SMP but
    what’s really interesting about this is
    it shows that the S SMP is actually not
    a very United party IDE ideologically so
    HS YF really was the kind of air to
    Nicholas sturgeon quite Progressive he
    did this deal with the greens Kate
    Forbes she’s much more kind of conserv
    she sound Kate Forbes is sound she’s a
    great individual she economically
    liberal she’s quite um she’s got quite
    socially conservative values views on uh
    gay marriage and abortion things like
    that um and actually what you can see
    here is there’s there’s some real
    divisions emerging in the SM so you know
    what I think this is really interesting
    because I I was listening to this sort
    of schism coming in the SNP this morning
    and I just think they were all elected
    repeatedly on a uh you know a a wave of
    let’s get an independence referendum
    through that unites them that belief in
    Scottish independence I don’t believe in
    it but they believe in it and that’s
    going further and further away from them
    it now seems inconceivable that in the
    next five or maybe even 10 years we’ll
    have another Independence referendum I’m
    a unionist I’m very pleased about that
    and then they’re all sort of going well
    we don’t agree about myself and you know
    what it reminded me of conservative
    party my party because we were all
    elected in 2019 get brexit done that was
    the Mantra that everyone marched into
    that election we’ve got brexit done and
    then all the other stuff we don’t know
    particularly what we agree and I think
    that’s been a lot of the problems why
    Boris Johnson lost uh his role of prime
    minister and and why you know we’ve seen
    all these difficulties in the
    conservative party we are now coming
    together but that’s why I think we’ve
    had this difficult period I think you
    can imagine labor now really rubbing
    their hands together because they can
    that exact attack line that you were
    leveraging at you know the conservatives
    they can now also say the S&P are
    equally you know it was it was it wasn’t
    an attack it was an analysis I it’s okay
    your analysis but it it doesn’t it
    present the perfect attack line for
    labor they can now go to the Scottish
    people and say exactly what we’re
    experiencing Westminster you’re
    experiencing Hollywood and the only
    people who can sort out is labor I mean
    they’re going to be absolutely loving
    this I think it’s the lab party hasn’t
    done that well in Scotti election the
    conservative party is ahead of them in
    in in the elections not in the polls but
    in actual election results so I think
    all of this shows us how volatile
    British politics have been in the last
    few years because I remember up until
    even like two years ago you would talk
    about Scotland and say how Kier starmer
    needs to win more seats in Scotland if
    they are to make it into the labor
    government and everyone was looking at
    Scotland and thinking it’s not going to
    be this time it has to be the it’s it
    has to be the next time around there is
    no way that a kir starmer is going to be
    able to cover all of this ground to make
    it into D Dow Street because of Scotland
    and it is because the S&P looked so
    strong Nicholas tjon had done such a
    good job and she used to even up until
    like two years ago she used to look like
    a completely inefable politician and
    look who we are now her her image has
    been completely tarnished by the scandal
    with her partner and um she she she has
    left she has resigned she has abandoned
    FR well we’re going to keep watching I
    always wonder about this the
    conservative party famously has its men
    in Gray suits every time a conservative
    leader uh go goes off the rails
    apparently I mean I’ve never seen it
    actually but they talk about these men
    in Gray suits who go and encourage him
    to resign I’m just wondering if the men
    in grey Kilts are going to be knocking
    on ham of usf’s door uh today
    um slightly further aboard I did you
    watch question time last
    night I didn’t watch question time but
    how could I not miss the clip and please
    tell me we’re going to watch it again
    well we might we might have the clip in
    in a moment but did you the clip let’s
    watch this clip is it is worth
    watching no I think there’s an exclusion
    on people from Rwanda being sent to from
    Rwanda they’re from Congo from and
    they’re supposed con they’re supposedly
    Waring these people from Rwanda are they
    then going to be sent to Rwanda if they
    came here on a Crossing from from Congo
    yeah would people be sent from well Ian
    Randa is a different country of Congo
    isn’t it it’s a different country it
    is saying if they come from a war zone
    in in Congo would they then be sent
    TOA well there you go that’s the uh so I
    I did a level geography I think I might
    have just I did Model United Nations
    what your re that then I did Model
    United Nations so I know you know D
    Congo and Rwanda it’s a different
    countries there is is there was a
    conflict there I don’t know how he where
    he was living whether he was living
    under a rock but you know what it does
    make me feel better because as a
    foreigner who works in British politics
    I was always very embarrassed whenever
    people would mention like some random
    place in the north of England then I
    would have to like pretend like I didn’t
    just assume it was you know a city in
    Belgium or something Scotland is a
    different country from England though
    right what what did you make of that
    these things that I suppose what our
    viewers like to know is does this
    actually you we’re all having a bit of a
    laugh at Chris philps EXP it’s not least
    why streeting you did the looky looky
    eyes but does this actually matter or is
    this a storm in a question time T I
    think it I think it does matter I think
    it contributes to this view that at
    present the government is filled with
    quite a lot of Fairly inexperienced
    fairly Junior people because there’s
    been so much churn you know it’s there’s
    been so many the best people on the back
    benches now that’s what I hear that is
    what I hear so um you know I think that
    kind of contributes to this idea that a
    lot of these people don’t really aren’t
    really on top of their brief don’t
    necessarily know what they’re talking
    about I mean I didn’t do model un but
    even I know that Congo and Rwanda they
    are different places um so I mean it’s
    just the way he handles it you know I
    think it just all these things all these
    little embarrassments and these little
    digs they just sort of they they they
    build up cumulative effect well in all
    fairness to my dear friend and colleague
    Chris fo he did say it was a rhetorical
    question so yeah but you’ve seen the
    clip you’ll make your own mind up or
    you’ve heard the clip you’ll make your
    own mind up but our viewers know the
    difference between Randa and Congo and
    that’s why we are pleased that so many
    of you are getting in touch to educate
    poor old Tory MPS like me who might
    struggle with it and um thank you for
    calling in on 03444 99 1,000 keep those
    calls coming in let’s go to our first
    caller of the day it’s Bridget in suffk
    who wants to talk to us about the Rwanda
    Bill Bridget welcome to talk
    TV Bridget
    oh dear right Brit Brit maybe she
    thought I was going to ask a very
    difficult question in a level uh
    geography or or not but maybe we’ll get
    Bridget back anyway coming up we’re
    going to be talking about Hamza Yousef
    and the challenges he is facing trying
    to save his government up in Scotland
    I’m Jake Barry your with talk TV don’t
    go anywhere I’ll see you after the
    break hey very good morning to you
    thanks for joining us you’re with talk
    TV on TV on radio online and on your
    smart speaking now you ain’t going to AB
    an eveve IT me old Chinas but a new
    report is calling for a new definition
    of cot name all right Jeremy me old
    China
    Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
    be honest when a man goes out and kills
    we should talk about them as what they
    are a biological man transwoman not a
    woman transwoman is a man lee would have
    to go for much further than his
    statement I mean he did say that he
    spoke clumsily and he understood the
    prime minister’s position but I think
    he’ need to say that he’d got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from PR city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah I just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
    quite right too quite right too it’s
    that time again to get the violins out
    that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
    bid for UK security
    after moaning he’d been singled
    out May might as well be discussing an
    invasion of darx for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my 8 pound
    noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
    I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
    probably know what are you doing I’m
    just about to do
    it it’s carry on what just happened were
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr car
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming
    and I can’t stop laughing so he
    suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
    potato that’s quite small statue then
    wasn’t there also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker you don’t really need
    one of those in chaga Square you just
    got to walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything was he just unlucky getting
    that question with an ice cream or is it
    a sign of something more seemed like he
    was on a late night show to attract a
    young demographic and
    U the statement this morning from the
    family and if any police officer reads
    that statement if you don’t cry for what
    you read from what the family is saying
    is heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
    feminist did fail her it was another era
    she was 22 we supposed to have moved on
    from that don’t honk back on something
    you did that was wrong TV it’s the only
    place where you get the truth
    welcome back to the show and today we’re
    asking you on 0344 4991 whether you
    think the Rwanda policy is going to work
    and the reason I’m asking this from you
    I want to know the wisdom of our
    audience is what we’re always seeking is
    because extraordin it’s extraordinary
    actually but the Irish Deputy Prime
    Minister has said that because Rwanda is
    having such an effect it’s not forget I
    don’t think it’s even law yet I think
    it’s been passed through the House of
    Commons but noted Royal Ascent if I’m
    wrong I’m sure want to be on phone up
    and tell me it’s having such an effect
    already that apparently illegal
    immigrants are pouring into the Republic
    of Ireland um joining me now to discuss
    the challenges we are not having in
    Ireland but north of the Border in
    Scotland is Neil hanvey Neil is a
    fantastic guest to have with us today
    because he is an Alba party MP in
    Westminster with me in Parliament but of
    course it is now the Alba party nail
    that seems to have the whip hand in this
    approaching confidence vote in the
    current Scottish government tell us a
    little bit about how the numbers work
    and how Alba’s role will play out please
    well the Scottish government have 63
    msps leaving 65 active votes um uh for
    the uh opposition motion um that means
    that um Ash Reagan has the opportunity
    to either uh vote with the opposition
    motion abstain or vote to support the
    government and Convention in the
    Scottish Parliament dictates that the
    presiding officer will vote with the
    status quo so if Ash Reagan were to uh
    support Hamza yusf in this vote of no
    confidence that would equalize the
    numbers out to 64 each and then the
    presiding officer’s casting vote would
    um render uh uh him safe from uh from
    the vote of no confidence so that’s
    that’s basically how the numbers work
    okay so uh Ash Reagan of course was in
    the S&P like like yourself I think I’m
    correct in saying you come on the show a
    lot we love having you on that the sort
    of the guiding principle of the Alba
    party is it is the real party seeking
    Independence and you have said
    previously that you think the S&P has
    lost its way a little bit just in terms
    of government but particularly in terms
    of that Independence question so if Ash
    Reagan is potentially I know she hasn’t
    committed to it going to support the SNP
    prop up the S&P government what’s the
    point of the Alba
    party well look the the letter that Ash
    rean has written to the first Minister
    and published this morning sets out um
    the broad uh issues that we have raised
    as um you know as a party with the first
    minister so it it it it effectively is a
    refocus on uh the case of case of for
    Independence um it’s also uh very
    importantly uh about um defending
    women’s LGB people and children’s rights
    uh from the creep of quer the ideology
    but also there’s a a call to return to
    good governance and a good example of
    that is to defend important um uh
    industrial infrastructure such as gremou
    oil refinery from closure so I mean we
    we’re taking a a a very proactive
    position on this to try and steer the
    SNP government back towards good
    governance and you know we’ve never
    we’ve never um taken a position that
    we’re in direct competition with the SNP
    we are there to um support the cause of
    Scottish independence and if that means
    that we work collaboratively with other
    independent supporting parties uh and
    we’re most of all convinced that that is
    their true objective then that’s what
    we’ll do I think what we saw yesterday
    uh from the Scottish green party is that
    their commitment to Independence is a a
    mirage their commitment to the
    environment is an absolute Mirage as
    well their only true commitment and
    their only Red Line seems to be around
    uh the denial of the importance of the
    cast review uh and the persistence with
    the queer Theory ideology that they have
    been promoting uh for the last number of
    years that’s a really really really
    helpful sort of explanation the
    situation as you said but surely the
    Alba party would welcome another set of
    Elections the S&P if you look at all
    opinion polls is
    is uh you know not doing as well as it
    has has done historically it’s an
    opportunity for the Alba party I’m sure
    to capitalize on that as the Alba party
    would say the true party pushing for
    independence why would you know why why
    would Ash Reagan prop up an S&P
    government when TR an election is what
    we need well look Ash Reagan is a
    serious politician she’s um a very
    capable uh politician and um she will
    weigh up uh all of these issues there’s
    no guarantee that Ash rean is going to
    run to the the rescue of ham YF as first
    Minister we’ve put forward a very clear
    steer on the issues that we would like
    to get a response from uh the first
    Minister on and now the ball is in his
    court to respond to that and I think uh
    it it would only be right and proper
    that Ash will use her uh uh great skills
    to uh assess the response that she gets
    from the first Minister and she will
    make the right decision uh for her for
    Scotland and for the alipa party based
    on that response from the first Minister
    okay Neil that’s really helpful let me
    ask you a couple of um questions about
    your former party the SNP um yeah is it
    is it likely or conceivable that some
    SNP members of the Scottish Parliament
    won’t vote to support their their leader
    is the party itself divided is the is
    there a concern that some of his own
    msps won’t turn up and vote for him well
    I mean that’s always a possibility I
    mean it could be that you know uh some
    nsps are otherwise detained or you know
    held up with other issues um that’s
    always a potential risk for the first
    Minister uh and that’s um quite an
    unpredictable uh uh situation when it
    comes to parliamentary votes but I don’t
    think I mean there’s been a lot of
    discussion about uh you know um
    Maneuvers in the background within the
    asnp um but I think it would be um uh a
    very brave individual who uh stood up
    and publicly criticized uh the first
    minister at such an important point and
    given you know reflecting back on the
    last five years in my experience um the
    for an SNP uh MSP or MP to put their
    head above the parit uh on any important
    issue uh has been unfortunately um uh
    not a frequent occurrence uh you know
    it’s been left to people uh like myself
    Angus mcneel Joanna cherry and a few
    others who’ve had the courage to
    challenge both the dogma of Nicholas
    sturgeon and uh the um failings of hsy
    yusf uh in uh in the policies that
    they’ve developed I don’t really
    anticipate that there is uh a a strong
    voice within the SNP that would um vote
    against HS of Usef you know I think
    probably the the the runners and riders
    in in that scenario
    would be um perhaps Fergus Ying but
    Fergus in an interview yesterday said
    you know it’s not in his nature to be
    vindictive uh uh and I think that that’s
    probably true broadly uh across um any
    of the the sensible heads that are left
    in the SNP Neil fantastic um insight
    there can I just ask you very briefly on
    a scale to zero of 10 where 10 is
    guaranteed and zero guaranteed that he
    will survive and zero is that he’s
    already gone what between Zer and 10 do
    you think the likelihood of Hamza yusf
    still being first minister of Scotland
    in a month’s
    time well I think the
    reality Jake is that um whatever happens
    hamsy yousef’s uh first Minister ship
    has been deeply damaged by this Folly
    that he embarked upon yesterday morning
    I can’t see him surviving this whether
    he wins the vote of confidence or not as
    a party leader and first Minister his
    days are absolutely numbered and I think
    already uh there are moves within the
    party to to come up with a a a a
    replacement for him I don’t think he can
    I don’t think any political leader can
    survive uh the tumult that he’s put
    himself he brought it all on himself now
    yeah he’s brought it all on himself by
    by his actions thank you so much thank
    you for coming on really appreciate
    hearing from you here on talk TV Zoe So
    that sounded like a below five so do you
    think ham usus is toast well I think I
    mean really you know does anyone survive
    a no confidence vote no you always lose
    no matter what even if you even if you
    get through on votes eventually you
    always lose and I think it’s absolutely
    right that it is just very very damaging
    to his uh Authority and legitimacy and
    whatever happens I think it’s going to
    be very very difficult to come back
    from well uh Stella what do you think
    what I found very interesting from what
    Neil was saying was that we are not even
    sure that all the S&P uh msps are going
    to well I think I think he said that’s
    pretty you just can’t know I mean if
    people really really I’ve been involved
    with a few with a few confidence votes
    in the conservative party people some
    people just say look you know well I was
    course going to vote for you but I got
    stuck in the lift or my you know had a
    car accident on the way to work whatever
    it is so you just can’t know until you
    know that everyone’s going to turn up
    but it’s because it’s just one it’s just
    one vote that he’s that he thinks he has
    to to to to gain but actually it may end
    up he may end up losing anyway he may he
    may do all of the work and kind of
    humiliated himself going C in hand to
    ask rean trying to convince her to vote
    for him and then one of his
    own one of his one of the people on his
    own side lets him down the last minute
    can you imagine that that would be so
    embarrassing for him I know how awesome
    let’s hope it happens but Zoe do you
    think we’re going to get nation in
    advance of this vote from hamf I I think
    it’s very possible um the reason I think
    it’s possible is because say he does go
    cap in hand to to Ash Reagan or say he
    has to make some concessions where does
    that leave the rest of his party who are
    actually quite happy with the direction
    he was taking I mean really this
    alliance between the S&P and the greens
    was kind of Unholy because for
    Independence there is so much um
    pressure on Scotland’s industry which is
    very much focused around oil and gas
    there was always going to be this
    inherent tension between a green
    Alliance and the
    independence well the the mechanisms
    needed for Independence to be successful
    so I think actually at this point if I
    were ham YF I would be asking do I
    really want this role is it only going
    to get much more difficult from now on
    he built his legitimacy on something
    that was always going to be very
    problematic and now the party and and
    everybody else in in in Hollywood are
    even more divided than before so if I
    were him I’d think very carefully about
    whether he is prepared as the sort of
    air to sturgeon to car on that I me but
    the out of sturgeon probably not
    fantastic it’s become a toxic
    inheritance with the uh court case going
    on against the former chief executive of
    the S SMP in relation uh to the S SMP
    finances I mean I I just
    think I I think that he cannot recover
    from this it just seems to me that yeah
    as you rightly say Ash Reagan has become
    the most powerful member of the Scottish
    Parliament she is just one member of the
    Scottish Parliament like everyone else
    and once you start empowering that
    individual to send out your of demand
    she’s published the letter all of your
    back bench MPS go well you know actually
    I quite care about new Industries coming
    to my era new rail line whatever it may
    be so I’ve got my list of demand demands
    ham it always reminds me that when I
    arrived in Parliament one of uh my good
    friends in the labor party told me that
    the opposition sits opposite you the
    enemy sit behind you there something for
    people to think about anyway coming up
    we’re going to be talking about rail
    rationalization come back Jeremy Corbin
    we love all your policies apparently
    according to Kia stalmer I’m Jake Barry
    you’re watching talk
    TV hey very good morning to you thanks
    for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
    on radio online and on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
    eve it me old Chinas but a new report is
    calling for a new definition of cotney
    all right Jeremy me old China o
    Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest so all she’s saying let’s just be
    honest when a man goes out and kills we
    should talk about them as what they are
    a biological man transwoman not a woman
    transwoman is a man lee would have to go
    much further than his statement I he he
    did say that he spoke clumsily and he
    understood the prime minister’s position
    but I think he’d need to say that he’d
    got it
    wrong that I had a phone call this
    morning um from city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
    quite right too quite right too it’s
    that time again to get the violins out
    that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
    bid for UK security after moaning he’d
    been singled
    out you might as well be discussing an
    invasion of DARS for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my 8 pound
    noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
    I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
    probably know
    what are you doing I’m just about to do
    it oh it’s carry on what just
    happened
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming
    and I can’t stop laughing so he
    suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
    potato that’s quite small statue then
    wasn’t there also a
    prostitute a trans
    sex worker you don’t really need one of
    those in choga square you just got to
    walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything uh was he just unlucky
    getting that question with an ice cream
    or is it a sign of something more seemed
    like he was on a late night show to
    attract a young demographic and U they
    put him in an ice cream store I read the
    SAT this morning from the family and if
    any police officer reads that statement
    if you don’t cry for what you read from
    what the family is saying is
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
    feminist did fail we supposed to another
    she was 22 we’re supposed to have moved
    on from that don’t H back on something
    you did that was wrong talk TV it’s the
    only place where you get the truth
    welcome back to the show and it’s Friday
    here on talk TV with me Jake Barry and I
    want to hear from you today because
    after months of being told by everyone
    mainly National newspapers and left-wing
    commentators that the Rand plan isn’t
    working hello we learned today that
    Ireland is already claiming that they
    are having a people pouring in from the
    north of Ireland because they are so
    scared of the random policy it was
    designed as a deterrent my view is that
    is proof it is working but my view
    really doesn’t matter because we want to
    hear from you on 0344 499 1000 or you
    can even text us 872 or tweeters on X
    talk TV don’t forget this is the unique
    thing about talk TV and talk radio is we
    love hearing from you our audience but
    before we get on to that let’s talk
    about the 1970s are coming back into
    fashion I’m not talking about people
    walking around in flared trousers but
    apparently rationalization of major
    things like our Railways is now the new
    policy of the labor party well of course
    it was their old policy under Jeremy
    Corbin something the shadow Chancellor
    Rachel Reef said they would never go
    back to but we learn this week that
    they’ve gone back to it joining me now
    is former lib Dem Member of Parliament
    and ex transport Minister it was a
    pleasure to be in the government with
    him back after the 2010 election um
    thank you very much for joining us um
    just on the question of this
    nationalization is it going to
    work well it’s not going to be terribly
    helpful for least don’t explain the
    moment Jake but the reality is of course
    that the real are already renationalized
    to a large degree and people don’t
    necessarily understand that Network Ra
    was nationalized to no one called it
    that under the government the coalition
    government between 2010 and 2015 and the
    the result of the pandemic has been to
    make the department for transport
    responsible for letting contracts and
    micromanaging what’s going on in the
    railway so it’s really already happening
    to a large degree and Labor’s proposals
    this week which were presented as being
    rather radical actually build very much
    on the governments on white paper
    establishing Great British Railways the
    one difference coming back to your point
    the one difference is that um the the
    model at the moment has the department
    for transport as the accountable public
    body setting the terms of how trains
    operate the timetables to some extent
    the fairs and so on and and the private
    sector then handles it and delivers a
    contracts and that’s a model which is
    employed by the mayor of London London
    overground is employed by Andy Burnham
    and Manchester for the buses and London
    buses Works in that way and where K
    armor and Rachel Reeds and Lou ha have
    gone one step further it’s a say that
    what will happen now is we’ll take those
    private contracts away and we’ll have
    the moreall Run by on of new British
    Rail and I think that’s probably
    unhelpful not least of all because in
    the next three or four years until the
    contracts expire which is what the labor
    policy is um why would any private
    sector company running trains bother to
    invest or do anything at all well quite
    right and I also when all those other
    things run by civil servants are going
    so well the NHS is absolutely Tip Top at
    the top of its game things like the
    passport agency goodness me I look
    forward to those civil servants getting
    H back at the railways it’ll make my
    commute significantly better apparently
    according to the labor party but what
    they have done which is quite clever is
    they’ve found a way to do this sort of
    article of faith for the left which is
    renationalized it’s part of the railways
    free of charge they say they say this
    won’t cost the taxpayer a penny you
    alluded to it there saying that they’re
    going to wait for these franchises to
    expire is that a reasonable way for them
    to look to do it in terms of delivering
    value for the taxpayer Norman well I’m
    sure it’s what Rachel Reeves has
    demanded and it must be no net cost as a
    consequence of this but there will be a
    cost because as I say the companies at
    the moment who are running the railways
    are doing some stuff off their own bat
    off their own valtion uh they’ll simply
    stop doing that because if you’re faced
    with an execution order why would you
    bother investing in the short term until
    the execution takes place in addition to
    that we’ve got um a something called a
    best price guarantee from labor now I’m
    not against the best price guarantee I
    think it’s quite a good idea but does
    that mean that they’re going to match
    the cost of for example split tickets
    and you may know Jake that when you buy
    a ticket from A to B and B to C it’s
    cheaper offer than buying one from a to
    c um are they going to match that as a
    best price guarantee because if they do
    that’s going to cost quite a lot of
    money but why do we need the government
    to do that for us there are apps out
    there there are you know the rail train
    companies themselves have apps but
    there’s one very well known one called
    the train line which does those split
    tickets why do we need the state to do
    it for us when people can just get an
    app on their phone and most people have
    a phone smartphone in this country and
    do it for themselves well I mean the
    train line and others are quite good
    organizations and I certainly use split
    ticketing sites myself and save quite a
    degree of money as I imagine you do on
    train travel I suppose the argument is
    that uh if you’re someone who is uh go
    to a booking office uh or or is
    otherwise haven’t got a smartphone why
    should you pay more for a ticket than
    someone who has got one okay well I I
    think there’s quite a lot of
    in that argument tell me um their plans
    they don’t include owning the r Rolling
    Stock though or even investing in the
    Rolling Stock just for because it’s so
    complicated just for our viewers and
    listeners at home how does that
    currently
    work well at privatization in the 1990s
    the Rolling Stock all the Rolling Stock
    owned by British Rail was was hived up
    into three different private companies
    uh called Rolling Stock companies or
    rosos and they now own all the trains or
    nearly all the trains
    uh and they are then leased back to the
    train companies or the Department of
    Transport in some cases because the
    Department of Transport is running some
    lines like the East Coast Main Line
    itself now um and they pay a they pay a
    l at least fee for those trains now the
    ring stock companies actually are the
    area where most money is being paid to
    the private sector if you look at the
    profits from the R st companies they are
    absolutely enormous as of the bonuses so
    in a way it’s quite surprising labor
    party which goes on about um money
    leaching the industry to private
    companies has turned a blind eye to ring
    stock companies because that’s actually
    where the money is going and uh and
    certainly the rmt has left while
    recommending to label that they do deal
    with that but again Rachel ree doesn’t
    want to pay six billion pounds or
    whatever it is to bring them back into
    public ownership but doesn’t that uh
    give a bit of a lie to this claim by K
    stas so he said uh visiting the Hatachi
    Factory uh in the north of England that
    this plan would end the boom and bust
    effective of the industry effectively
    meaning that they would cont control The
    Ordering of new trains but that can’t be
    the case if they’re not going to take
    back control of the Rolling Stock
    contracts and the renewal of The Fleets
    then they can’t end this Boomer bus I
    might say he was visiting a factory that
    I had the privilege when I was Northern
    Powerhouse minister of actually cutting
    the ribbon when they first turned the
    first sod to build it um because of the
    trains that we ordered during our time
    in government
    together well I mean look I mean what
    what what a government can do and which
    I have to say the president government
    hasn’t done very successfully is to have
    a sensible pipeline of orders so we
    don’t have boom and bust on on the
    Rolling Stock we have predictable orders
    and we don’t have factories like the one
    in Derby uh having to work overtime some
    years then facing new orders next year
    but ultimately the r stock companies can
    decide what they want to build
    themselves and what I think they will do
    because this is commercially in their
    interest to do so is always to have a a
    death of Supply they will never have
    quite enough trains which will help
    pushing up the cost of those who do have
    but it’s a it’s obviously supply and
    demand they’ll they’ll milk that well
    Norman Baker former transport minister
    in the coalition government thank you so
    much for joining us love hearing from
    you there so what we’ve heard I think uh
    is that it’s a partial rationalization
    doesn’t sound like that ex Minister
    Norman thought it was going to work but
    still with me to discuss this is
    political journalist Zoe gromwell and
    former labor advisor Stella chander kidu
    Zoe um bit of a lukewarm response I
    thought yeah think so and I think to be
    honest there’s when you ask the key
    question that labor will be will be um
    asking uh focus groups which is are you
    pleased with this policy do you think
    it’s going to make a difference to your
    life I think actually the answer is
    probably going to be no it doesn’t sound
    like it’s going to make tickets that
    much cheaper it doesn’t sound like it’s
    necessarily going to equ equate to
    trains running much more according to
    the schedule which is one of those
    things that people are really frustrated
    about at the but consistently in polling
    it is a popular policy the idea of
    rationalizing and the water industry
    they’re the two policies that are
    popular which were were in the 2019
    Manifesto put forward by Jeremy Corbin
    which of course SC D support yes and and
    I think there is po I think there is
    popularity um there behind the principle
    of rationalizing the railways I think
    people are very disappointed at the
    state of the service at the minute but I
    think when you actually look into the
    finer detail of this and when you listen
    to Lou hag’s comments that the shadow
    transport secretary’s comments yesterday
    when she said she wasn’t actually sure
    if this would she couldn’t guarantee
    that this would equate to lower prices
    on the railways I think that’s the key
    thing and also what she failed to
    guarantee and I thought was really
    interesting is the labor body claimed
    this will save 2 just over two billion I
    think 2.2 billion of course she couldn’t
    guarantee she didn’t have sign up for
    Rachel Reeves it doesn’t mean that it
    won’t happen that that money would even
    go back into the railway Stellar H yes
    Jake this she couldn’t guarantee that
    because obviously does mean it won’t yes
    yes because we know that famously Rachel
    Reeves is very very tight with the
    budget but that doesn’t mean as you said
    that she’s not going to do that so I
    think that’s fine we cannot we cannot
    speculate about what exactly is going to
    happen what I know is that this is a
    great policy that people really really
    want it everyone even Telegraph readers
    like I went on the comments on online on
    the Telegraph and even Telegraph story
    voters were saying yes we want this the
    trains are in a disgraceful state in
    this country you go to other countries
    you go to France you even go to Greece
    but s isn’t the problem that trains are
    in a much better State than they were
    when I used to get the trade to school
    in the very early 90s when we had
    British Rail before privatization do you
    think people have just forgotten that I
    mean last time the state and the
    railways they were apping yeah but what
    does it mean to you you you you you keep
    on making this argument people keep on
    making this argument that um oh we have
    all of these other things that are
    public owned and they’re not running as
    well and they’re not being efficient or
    effective like the NHS or whatever so
    why do you think that that rationalizing
    their a is going to make any difference
    and I’m and my argument to that is all
    of this time we’ve had privati
    privatization and what did we get we get
    ridiculous prices we get trains that are
    constant late we get reduced routes to
    places where people need to go I know
    what you’re thinking Jake you are
    thinking first they came for the rails
    and I didn’t speak out because I was in
    a train what is going to come next right
    I know you’re thinking that but clearly
    the voters have had enough so let’s see
    if this works I think Super the question
    I think we should ask ourselves so first
    of all I think is two really interesting
    questions is you know we know that k
    starma campaigned for that I mean
    ridiculous 2019 Manifesto put forth by
    Jeremy Corman which terrified everyone
    in the country he’s now adopting big
    parts of it so maybe he’s much more left
    wing and we can talk about it later in
    the show you know who else is stealing
    labor policy from the much more left
    wing than he wants us to think and then
    the second thing is look the railways
    actually they’re all right they could be
    a lot better I’m I VY West Coast i’ be
    getting it this afternoon when I go home
    but they’re they’re all right but
    nationalization in my view isn’t the
    other that’s why I’m a conservative I
    actually think the private sector does
    things better than the state and I just
    point to the fact you know the passport
    agency the NHS um all of those things
    are in real trouble anyway coming up in
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    Ireland the Republic thereof are having
    a good old winge about the British
    government because apparently our Rwanda
    policy is so successful that people are
    pouring in to the Republic of Ireland
    from the north of Ireland because
    they’re all nervous that if they’re here
    illegally they’re going to be sent to
    Rwanda we want to hear from you actually
    do you think this policy is working it
    became law or went through the House of
    Commons and the House of Lords this week
    so it’s shortly becoming law so give us
    a call on 0344 499 1000 text on 87 do or
    tweet us on X talktv because the big
    question is you know is it going to work
    what do you think at home that’s why we
    love hearing from our viewers and
    listeners joining me to run through all
    of the top stories is political
    journalist Zoe gral and former labor
    advisor Stella chander kiddu and let’s
    go Stella straight into this big
    question on Randa I think there’s been a
    bit of a disagreement um already but
    that’s why we love it here on talk TV uh
    this is evidence I put it to you my H
    your honor that this policy is already
    working just days after it’s gone
    through the House of Commons not true
    there is no evidence that the Randa
    policy is going to work as a deterrent I
    really question the motives of the Irish
    Min who made this comment sorry you just
    don’t want it to work but this is
    someone completely impartial another you
    know Sovereign Nation saying look this
    is already pushing people away from the
    United that solving the problem is that
    solving the problem would the problem be
    solved if all of the Asylum Seekers
    suddenly decided that I’m going to go to
    Ireland I’m going to make a short stop
    in the UK but because I’m afraid that
    they will send me to Rwanda which I
    don’t I’m not sure how that would work
    because my understanding was that the
    people who would be sent to R answer
    your
    question would it solve the problem of
    the small boats yeah job done but but so
    you think that people would stop trying
    to come you don’t think that they would
    just try to find another way to come
    that would prevent well they struggle to
    get to island without getting in a bed
    that the reason why the problem has
    reached the stage it has is because
    people who are determined to come here
    will find one way or another and the
    business model of the people Smugglers
    is so good because the more difficult we
    make it for them the more money they get
    to ask for this breaks the business
    model of those people traffics I think
    this is evidence it makes it zo harder
    and more lucrative I I think this is the
    fallacy of any kind of immigration
    policy that just just requires you to
    close your borders I mean these people
    are not going to stop needing to flee
    persecution they’re not going to stop
    needing to flee War zones and to flee
    environmental catastrophes where are
    where are they going to go they can’t
    get into the the United Kingdom they’re
    going to go somewhere else the idea that
    we can solve a global migration crisis
    it’s only going to get worse as climate
    change gets worse as there’s more
    conflict um the idea that we can solve
    it by just taking isolationist policies
    I just think it’s it’s wrong they’re
    going to need to go somewhere the best
    thing we can do think is what the
    British people want no I don’t think I
    think the British people are a uh
    tolerant and care ing Bunch who don’t
    want to see people fleeing persecution
    fleeing War zones be turfed away and
    have nowhere to go I mean we all know
    that’s going to result in much worse
    geopolitical situations much more
    conflict the best thing we can do is
    have international cooperation they’re
    not they’re not fleeing persecution in
    France are they well no they’re not and
    they’re not even fleeing persecution in
    B maybe maybe the real thing we should
    do is maybe we should invite the
    Republic of Ireland to join the Rwanda
    scheme with us well no because all again
    all you’re doing is think they do that
    you’re passing the bug I mean you’re
    saying we’re not going to take it some
    other country has to and that’s that’s
    not no Sor you’re completely
    misunderstanding Me Maybe the thing the
    British government should do is because
    we do have an open border with southern
    Ireland as set out in the Good Friday
    agreement maybe the thing the British
    government to do is should say to the
    new T t-shock in the Republic of Ireland
    look join the Randa policy with us let’s
    take an all island or islands of the
    United Kingdom approach and United the
    Republic of Island and and have the same
    policy maybe the problem for Ireland is
    that they’re not part of the Rwanda
    policy rather than us yes but my point
    is they then they join and then there’s
    one more country signed up to the Rwanda
    deal and one more country taking an
    approach which is very kind of anti-
    Asylum seeker anti-immigrant and I think
    that’s wrong I think BR is an I mean we
    are we are allowing you know 700,000
    people in a year legally to the United
    well that’s yeah that’s legal migration
    but you know it’s not like we’re not a
    welcoming country we welcom a city the
    size of Birmingham every 18 months but
    some of you have been getting into touch
    fire text on 872 and it is the part of
    our Friday show where uh you have the
    opportunity to start so we’re going to
    have a quick look at these I think some
    of them for once I’m amazed I’m amazed
    you agree with me Stella what jumps out
    at you yes so SAR is saying here h no
    it’s not going to work but repatriating
    every single immigrant and their family
    to their ancestral Homeland with a small
    but decent sum of money who came here
    from 1948 and after could work very wise
    H Sarah um can I be the first one can I
    be sent what that’s nonsense that’s
    absolutely nonsense so so what I pick up
    the irony in your voice though yeah of
    course Sarah I think you should start
    with me because H my plany gets back
    home to my family Christmas have become
    far too expensive so you can repatriate
    me for Christmas I will be back I’m
    sorry I will be back you can do the same
    for my summer holidays and we can
    continue that forever you know what it
    would still be cheaper than the bloody
    Rwanda and it would have the same exact
    effect on making even a dent on the as
    problem we would miss we would miss you
    too much there’d have to be EST Stella
    chandidu exemption Z what jumps out well
    gram I think Graham makes quite an
    interesting point he says I don’t think
    the Rwanda deal is needed all that is
    needed is border control if the boats
    refused entry into British Waters the
    problem will stop it’s really not
    difficult gra so how’ you stop them well
    grae’s picking up an interesting point
    which is that the home office and border
    control are not working or functioning
    properly the government let me let me
    pick up I know it’s Graham’s point but
    you tell me how do you stop them well I
    think the first thing and the thing that
    the conservative government do not want
    to talk about because of their approach
    to brexit because of their approach to
    the EU is you need a proper agreement
    with the EU here about the sort of uh
    immigration policy we’re going to take
    we can’t just look at France and say not
    our problem stop sending them over it’s
    I mean we have given France 500 million
    pounds to support the Detention of these
    people before they about money
    British taxers money given to France
    what they delivered for it but we don’t
    have a good we don’t have a properly um
    reciprocal and good relationship with
    France when it comes to this issue and
    as I said there’s no way you can tackle
    the global immigration crisis James
    cleverly has even gone to the US and
    made a speech on this it requires Global
    cooperation because we’ve left the we
    are absolutely we are not willing to
    speak to the EU about this we need to
    but we’re not the EU the EU so the point
    of brexit is I always felt this a bit
    about Ireland as we should have said
    well look we’ll have an open B
    imra the eu’s border is a matter for the
    EU it’s not a matter for Britain but
    that’s just naive because clearly people
    are coming across to the UK from France
    they don’t say oh well the UK isn’t in
    the EU anymore so we’ll just stop here
    much them to do that look let me pick up
    Shan I’d be interested he says I I Sean
    I agree with you he says so effective
    it’s working already isn’t this evidence
    that it’s working out despite all the
    criticism no why is this evidence like
    the Randa is going to cover less than 2%
    of the Asylum Seekers why is this evence
    never about taking how does this Irish
    forign foreign minister no has he
    personally interviewed these migrants
    and asked them are you coming here
    because you are afraid of being sent
    to I assume maybe very naively that the
    Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of
    Ireland knows a bit about the the
    immigration woes or problems or benefits
    this is an Evidence of Small Boat
    Crossings coming down people are still
    coming they’re just saying oh actually
    it’s quite easy to get in the S southern
    island it’s not talking about vote it’s
    not stopping votes I know but it’s which
    is which isak’s own it’s always designed
    to be a deterrent though it’s it’s
    always designed to ultimately stop oh
    let me pick up on one more Williams says
    France and the EU have passed the Hot
    Potato to us I.E Britain and if we’re
    now passing it back to the EU that’s
    fine do you agree with William yeah
    that’s exactly how policy works that’s
    that’s how that’s why we have such good
    relationships with our EU allies I this
    is why they’re so willing to work with
    our government this is why there have
    been no problems so far no this is what
    the UK has been trying to do all of this
    time and it didn’t work I’m going to
    read andrean’s message because I agree
    andrean says anyone with the right mind
    would say this is a joke of an idea and
    it will never work it’s just a disaster
    in the making and I agree there are
    people all over the world watching the
    British government trying who has been
    trying to pass this bill through the the
    parliament for the last two years and
    they’re thinking what the hell happened
    to this count governments like Italy
    which is proposing to do something very
    similar offshore processing rather than
    offshoring um you know other governments
    are following yeah people keep on asking
    me saying oh Stella why don’t you go
    back to Greece and accept all of these
    Asylum Seekers and the refugees why
    don’t you do why don’t you ask the Greek
    government like as if I agree with what
    the Greek government is doing to
    refugees as if I think do you do you is
    this what you really want you want to
    have clips of
    British Coast
    Guards pushing boats with children in
    them back into the water and risking
    their lives in the same weeks when you
    have children dying in the channel is
    that what you want no I don’t think
    that’s what people do want which is why
    asked Zoe and it wasn’t her comment it
    was one of our texter about you know say
    well stop them Comm how do you stop them
    I don’t think we really know the answer
    to that but Zoe isn’t it a bit of a you
    know isn’t it a bit of a false sort of
    belief that the EU in some way cares
    about Britain you say we should care
    about France or we should care about
    Ireland it’s completely they don’t care
    about Britain’s immigration policy they
    don’t
    care certainly so why why should we be
    you know ringing our hands saying well
    you know France can’t cope with all of
    these people or so what I mean that was
    the whole point of the European Union
    yeah we never should have left in the
    first place we because so but so many of
    the issues we are facing now require
    This Global cooperation the idea that
    Britain can go back to being a isol
    isolationist nation which can be totally
    in control of its own borders clearly
    that’s that’s not the case I mean we’re
    seeing here people why not why can’t we
    be in control of our look us we’re not
    we’re incapable we’re not doing it are
    we we we can’t do it without cooperation
    with the France if we could do it with
    Co with cooperation without cooperation
    with the French then we would be we
    can’t it’s it’s a fallacy that we can
    control our borders that we can be a
    secure Sovereign Nation without talking
    to well I mean that’s one heck of a
    statement because I would say that every
    voter I’ve ever spoken to says that is
    the that is the primary job of a
    government if you don’t control your
    borders you are not a Sovereign Nation
    what your basically saying is Britain is
    not a Sovereign Nation I do not AG to be
    honest with the voters then isn’t it I
    mean I think to be quite Frank I don’t
    we cannot tackle these problems on our
    own we are not we’re not we not the
    country we were you know 200 years ago
    we’re just not it’s times have changed
    everything’s in I believe in Britain I
    don’t I don’t think this idea that you
    know Britain is incapable of Defending
    ourselves we’re a permanent member of
    NATO per un Security Council
    have in common they have other countries
    in them we’re stronger together they’re
    not but they they don’t they’re not
    telling us what to do the idea that
    Britain cannot defend her own borders
    why join NATO why join NATO because it’s
    a collective defense exactly Collective
    that’s what we need so you you think if
    we were still in the EU that these boats
    wouldn’t be coming is that is that what
    I think I think they may still be coming
    but we so they would still be coming so
    what why do we need to be in the EU well
    they becoming far less than they are now
    we’d have much better relations with the
    French we’d probably have police on
    their borders already got police on
    their we’re already paying them half a
    billion pound a year to stop people it
    would there would be a much more joined
    up approach and I think it would be much
    more successful we don’t have our home
    office isn’t set up for this border
    Force isn’t set up for this um one thing
    that is I just think that is so naive
    that if we if Britain was still in the
    EU the French would the French are
    effectively saying right we won’t house
    you we won’t look after you by the way
    Britain’s this way off you go off you go
    because they do not want to take
    responsibility for refugees who are
    arriving in France and the idea that if
    we were still in the EU the French would
    take a different approach because the
    French government believes in France
    they want to they don’t want to house
    the Asylum Seekers who go to France they
    want push them into the UK and that’s
    all the British government is doing it
    is saying no France we shouldn’t we
    shouldn’t we shouldn’t be in a position
    where you are just sending Asylum
    there’s no Silver Bullet but one thing
    that every party agrees on is that the
    only way you’re going to actually deal
    with this issue is if you get right back
    to the source and you have this kind of
    crossborder policing and surveillance
    and at the minute we’re not in a
    position to do that we would be much
    better prepared to do that if we were in
    the EU we were sharing intelligence we
    were sharing data we were sharing
    expertise but we’re already we we still
    is sharing yeah we know that in the EU
    relations would be far better I mean
    it’s just naive to act like obviously we
    left the EU for a reason we did that
    because we wanted to sever some of those
    British people want to be in a Sovereign
    Nation where we defend our borders
    rather than a nation they weren’t told
    is basic subject to the rest of Europe
    saying no actually you know we don’t
    care about your sovereignty you just
    have to this is why people left it’s
    exactly this sort of issue the thing is
    Jake you need political buying from the
    other countries you need the French
    government to feel like it looks good to
    their voters when they’re being nice to
    the UK government and they’re being
    cooperative and when the UK government
    for the last few years has acted as if
    its lethal enemies are right across the
    pond right across the English Channel
    then why do you expect these people
    these politicians who they go back to
    the voters and give concessions to the
    British government this is why this is
    why it has harmed it has harmed it has
    harmed the position of the UK government
    in the EU it has harmed us so much to
    have all of these Prime Ministers who
    have continuously trying to put all of
    the blame on other EU countries because
    they’ve seen the game that we’ve been
    playing they don’t like it they’re not
    going to play and Ireland’s playing it
    now as well apparently but look we want
    to hear from you at home on this very
    issue you might think I’m wrong locks if
    you do you might think the panel are
    wrong but get keep getting in touch on
    0344 they at least agree with each other
    keep getting in touch on 0344 499 1000
    let’s talk to Barry in Manchester Barry
    thank you for calling in what is your
    view about where we’re going with this
    Rwanda policy Barry oh it’s crazy mate
    it’s
    crazy why why I mean look look I mean r
    is’s a clever guy is he he’s that clever
    he doesn’t know
    anything you know mean I I’ve had a live
    B
    right different to to most of you people
    you’re all office people aren’t you
    you’re full of rules and regulations and
    all that I’ve actually to live a life
    without all that right okay well bar let
    me ask you this then because the big
    question we’re asking today is Ireland
    basically their government is
    complaining saying that since through
    under policy has come in just this week
    I know you say it won’t work you think
    it’s crazy that um Refuge G’s are
    pouring in using their language from the
    north of Ireland down into the Republic
    of Ireland surely that is evidence
    because the government has always said
    this will be a disincentive people will
    not want to be caught by this policy
    surely that is evidence that this policy
    is starting to work Barry ah is it he
    mate is it he there’s a simple way to do
    it go on then right I mean listen me out
    on this right because I know the things
    you’re saying oh I don’t agree with that
    but just let me smooth it all out okay
    if if you was a refugee coming from like
    say Africa I mean you’ve got to go
    through like re and everything AR you to
    get down is it CH or where they cross
    the L proder you know carrying all your
    belongings on your back checking mons
    and everything real hard
    [ __ ] right well all you got to do it’s
    not about stopping the bats it’s
    stopping the people right if you can get
    it out on all the news and radio
    channels worldwide anybody coming here
    as from say Monday step foot on these
    Shores and you’re going to be
    transferred to um f a fit to the British
    working and living program you know and
    then what we do is we use all
    our old air bases and everything
    to H these people look all of their
    bases they have nafies on them don’t
    they you know way because like the
    soldiers are on the basis well Barry
    look we’re going to have to leave it
    there I think the government would say
    that we to some extent already housing
    people are air bases but thanks for
    calling in I wish it was that simple I’m
    sorry um I don’t think it is I think
    it’s a bit more complicated than that um
    but we heard from Barry there you see
    Barry wants Simple Solutions yeah I
    think everybody does
    been fed the
    delusion Simple Solution people have
    been fed the delusion that there is a
    simple solution and the truth is that
    there isn’t and if if there is one thing
    that I think has been incredibly toxic
    in this debate is that we have convinced
    a lot of Voters that a lot of their
    problems come from immigrants and this
    is the oldest trick in the book
    immigrants have always been a scapegoat
    foreigners have always been a scapegoat
    for problems and these immigrants they
    can have a different pH in different in
    different phases of history and now we
    have decided that our cost of living
    crisis our housing problems all of these
    things that they would be solved if only
    we could solve the immigration problem
    and we have spent so many resources and
    so much time our our civil servants and
    our politicians some of our brightest
    political minds they have spend so much
    time squeezing their brains about how
    they’re going to make these planes live
    and we are spending more than half a
    billion pounds in 10 weeks they’re going
    to lose £1,000 per person to send them
    back to Rwanda to send them to Randa may
    ask you this very briefly because I do
    want to talk about something else before
    we go to the Break um if this isn’t
    working why on Earth has the Deputy
    Prime Minister in Ireland said this do
    you think he’s lying do you think he’s
    trying to wind up people who live in why
    has he said it if if if he’s if you say
    it’s not true why why would he say well
    I think you know possibly it’s something
    that the people in Ireland a feeling is
    going to happen possibly there are
    concerns I mean there are concerns about
    people moving across borders that’s you
    you know tell as old as time that’s
    clearly something they’re concerned
    about but I think you know whether we
    actually are going to see as you as you
    know s says the the tangible effect of
    this I think is is it can’t both be true
    though that’s the point that’s the point
    I think that I I want to make to people
    watching it can’t both be true this
    policy can’t be not working and putting
    pressure on island so if you say it’s
    not putting pressure on iseland there
    must be a reason the Irish government is
    saying this maybe the L I don’t know
    maybe they’ve got they have got
    elections coming next year before we get
    on to the Irish elections let me ask you
    whether you seen the story this week
    about
    shoplifting being a record high now I
    don’t think anyone can live anywhere in
    the country it’s particularly bad in
    London and not have sort of witnessed uh
    this huge rise in shop lith that we’re
    seeing particular people going in as we
    can see on our screen there sort of
    sports bags and F filling them up Stella
    what do you think is driving this
    increase in in shoplifting is it soft
    placing or is it more desperate people I
    think it’s both I think I think it has
    to do with the fact that people know
    that they can get away with it and I
    think that you know Clips like that have
    contributed to this I’m not suggesting
    that we shouldn’t be obviously knowing
    about it but because of social media and
    because of all of this talking about
    soplifting people have realized that you
    know what I can actually get away with
    this they have realized that staff
    members don’t particularly feel
    empowered or they don’t I mean I’m not
    funny if you’re working a sh National
    living wage why would you put yourself
    in HS and very often very often the uh
    the direct the directions that they will
    have received from the bosses is please
    do not try and confront these people
    because we cannot guarantee your
    security there is no security staff
    there I do think deprivation has to do
    with that I do think Rising income
    inequality has to do something with this
    because you have all of these young
    people going on social media realizing
    how much better off others are and
    they’re feeling this envy and this is
    how they are so zo there’s been some
    discussion the last couple of weeks
    about creating a specific offense and
    assault against a shopkeeper I’m I’m not
    sure it’s necessary do you think that
    what people really want to hear from the
    government whoever it may be after the
    next general election is that they’re
    going to get really tough on shoplifting
    because this low-level crime it’s not
    you know it’s not the worst crime people
    commit there’s many more serious crimes
    like murder and appalling sexual crimes
    but you know do you not think dayto day
    if people go into their local shop and
    see someone just nicking from the
    shelves that this feeds into this idea
    of Lawless Britain I think the thing
    about shoplifting is it it sort of feeds
    into that idea that some people aren’t
    working and paying their way in the same
    way that other people are I think that
    there’s a frustra there that people say
    you know I I go and I I pay what is
    needed for my groceries and some people
    just go in and they take and there’s but
    I think it goes back to what said
    there’s there’s not enough police quite
    clearly and the police are very very
    overstretched but also any government
    that’s going to seriously tackle this
    issue need to think about Rising poverty
    levels income inequality there’s a huge
    difference between a young mother who
    has to go and still baby form and
    criminal lot of families in the UK who
    are struggling financially they don’t
    all go to tesos and start nicking gear
    though don’t all but some people are
    very very desperate because they’ve had
    their benefits slashed housing uh
    housing prices are extremely expensive
    benefit which benefits have been slashed
    I thought they went up with inflation
    but over the years we’ve seen a a
    decrease in the you know benefit number
    of officers on the streets I would say
    that maybe well yeah but it’s it’s the
    facts but I mean it may not feel like it
    maybe the police should be spending less
    time arresting people for accidentally
    misgendering people online or these sort
    of the like we’ve seen is
    that’ seen in Scot you know with this
    new hate law maybe the police should
    actually be tackling real criminals but
    don’t worry we can keep talking about
    that after the break because coming up
    after the break as well as maybe
    shoplifting we’ll also be talking about
    with tensions still rising in the Middle
    East the plan for Britain to potentially
    have an Iron Dome to protect us here in
    the United Kingdom from any missile
    attacks I’m Jake Barry you’re watching
    and listening to talk TV
    hey very good morning to you thanks for
    joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on
    radio online and we’re on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
    eve it me old Chinas but a new report is
    calling for a new definition of cotney
    all right Jeremy me old
    China
    Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
    be honest when a man goes out and kills
    we should talk about them as what they
    are a biological man transwoman
    not a woman transwoman is a man lee
    would have to go much further than his
    statement I mean he did say that he
    spoke clumsily and he understood the
    prime minister’s position but I think
    he’d need to say that he’d got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from Prem city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
    quite right too quite right too it’s
    that time again to get the violins out
    that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
    bid for UK security after moaning he’d
    been singled
    out you might as well be discussing an
    invasion of darx for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my 8 noia
    reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a
    huge hit on Instagram as you probably
    know what are you doing I’m just about
    to do it oh it’s carry on what just
    happened were missing
    there was a suggestion by some that
    maybe it would nice to put a statue of
    the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know what’s I know what’s coming
    and I can’t stop laughing so he
    suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
    potato that’s quite small statue then
    wasn’t there also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker you don’t really need
    one of those in jaaga square you just
    got to walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything
    uh was he just unlucky getting that
    question with an ice cream or is it a
    sign of something more seemed like he
    was on a late night show to attract a
    young demographic and U they put him in
    an ice cream store I read the statement
    this morning from the family and if any
    police officer reads that statement if
    you don’t cry for what you read from
    what the family is saying is
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t necess think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
    feminist did fail her we supposed to
    another she was 22 we’re supposed to
    have moved on from that don’t honk back
    on something you did that was wrong talk
    TV it’s the only place where you get the
    truth
    welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
    and you’re with talk TV joining me now
    is former Royal neighbor commander and
    defense colonist columnist Tom Sharp Tom
    thank you very much for joining us um
    let’s start by talking about HMS Diamond
    has been in action in the last 24 hours
    can you tell us a little bit about what
    she has been up to
    she has she’s been down at the the
    southern Red Sea for some time now uh on
    a sort of missile picket duties so she’s
    been sitting there in a patrol box uh
    waiting to intercept drones which is
    already done successfully a number of
    times and now a missile in order to
    protect freedom of navigation down there
    from from the houthi rebels in in
    Western Yemen and uh they Diamond has
    done it successfully last night for the
    first time since 1991 a missile on
    Missile
    engagement and of course this will be
    something that your former col
    colleagues and Shipmates in the Royal
    Navy train for all the time but you
    rightly say first time since the very
    early 1990s that we’ve done this is this
    quite a bold statement to uh hostile
    actors around the world about Britain’s
    capabilities and our Readiness to use
    them well I’m not sure that it is I
    think one of the problems with our
    posture in the in the Red Sea is it’s
    entirely defensive barring the odd the
    odd strike I don’t mean to sort of
    diminish them too much but but really it
    has been the odd Counter Strike the rest
    of the time we’ve been playing permanent
    goalkeeper so if you look at Freedom of
    navigation in the Red Sea it is denied
    ships are at 50% flowing through there
    so so a small militia in Western Yemen
    has denied a critical choke point
    freedom of navigation so on the one hand
    I think probably what this engagement
    shows is you can win the battle while
    still losing the war and do you think
    there’s something the British royal no
    in the British Armed Forces should be
    doing should be be going further should
    we uh engaging the rebels directly in
    order to keep those navigation routes
    open
    something there has to change I mean
    fundamentally the huies need to stop
    firing that that’s only ever been the
    solution to this and there’s three ways
    that can happen they can they can decide
    to stop be that through a ceasefire in
    in Gaza or whe they’ve always promised
    that I mean I have my doubts but they
    decide to stop or they’re persuaded to
    stop that’s the most likely option
    either through diplomacy or by Iran or
    they’re made to stop uh where they’re
    struck so hard that they physically
    can’t fire back and that’s an option
    that’s available but we’ve uh elected
    not to take for fear of escalation
    but of course it wouldn’t just be the UK
    who did that alone it would be with our
    wider allies in the region do you think
    it’s likely that America will uh look to
    make one of those sort of decisive
    strikes against the
    rebels I don’t they’ve had opportunity
    after opportunity for the last four or
    five months and have elected not to do
    so I mean let’s be clear if we are to
    take decisive action there it has to be
    us-led uh when you look in the UK
    offensive cupboard uh for for land
    strike options in the Red Sea it’s
    pretty bare we’ve we’ve we’ve chipped in
    with typhoons longrange sties from
    Cyprus again I don’t mean to belittle
    that but it’s not sustainable so if
    we’re to really give them a bloody knows
    then then it would have to be the
    Americans but I’m not sure it’s a
    particularly good idea uh they’re very
    hard to strike they’re very mobile they
    hide in populous centers they’ve learned
    all these tricks about Mobility from
    Iran so counter- striking to the point
    where they can’t fire back as the Saudis
    proved over five or six years is very
    very hard to do I suppose um it also
    this week we’ve heard from the prime
    minister the government’s commitment to
    increase defense spending by to 2 and a
    half% of GDP by 2030 in additional 76
    billion pound in total and we learned
    today that one of the things the United
    Kingdom is considering in terms of uh
    our own air defenses is this idea of an
    Iron Dome particularly to protect us uh
    from ultra Sonic missiles what is an
    Iron Dome and what would it sort of mean
    to to Britain to have one so iron D is a
    medium range surface to where missile
    defense missile so it sits obviously
    it’s it’s sits in Israel it’s got a
    range of about 40 kilometers so it’s not
    particularly long it’s about half the
    range of of the missile that uh that
    diamond used for example uh so it is
    only one part of the solution and I
    think it’s really important to step back
    when we talk about some missile defense
    in the UK and look at the layers we are
    a very different proposition to Israel
    and perhaps even Ukraine in terms of the
    range at which potential aggressors
    could come at us so we have these layers
    in place already short of Russia let’s
    say parking a submarine off the coast
    where it could do tremendous damage but
    you know that’s a very different War
    fighting situation at that point so I
    think what I would like to see is a
    really comprehensive plan that
    identifies this requirement uh and then
    a funding plan to to buy it but frankly
    uh whilst the prime minister’s
    announcement is very very welcome we’ve
    we’ve heard these many many times and
    and not seen the money at the end of it
    if we do see that money if this is a
    genuine mindset shift and I and I I
    really hope it is then I would
    personally spend that money on many many
    things before we got to an ironon system
    in the UK let me ask you this finally we
    heard from the labor party after that
    Announcement by the Prime Minister that
    he going to increase defense spending 2
    and a half% of GDP by 2030 that their
    plan is to have a Strategic Defense
    review after the general election if K
    sta is elected as our next prime
    minister is that the right way to go
    after we’ve so recently completed a
    Strategic Defense review which would
    look at things like iron domes and Next
    Generation air Fighters do we need
    another one we do and it needs to be
    costed that’s that’s what’s been missing
    all along through the integrated review
    process and their com uh command papers
    that that sat underneath the integrated
    reviews I mean they were kind of
    commendable strategy papers that touched
    on a lot of this stuff but they were
    completely unfunded and uncosted at
    which point they become a think piece
    rather than a strategy so yes we do need
    a defense review it needs to be done
    very very quickly it mustn’t be used as
    an excuse to delay all these decisions
    it should be done as a matter of
    priority and I suspect that some of them
    have started the paperwork on it already
    and it needs to be fully funded and this
    percentage of Two and a half% 3% we are
    slightly fixated on that as a number but
    but fine it needs to go up it needs to
    go up to you know in the Cold War we
    were at four and a half to 6% of GDP on
    defense now we probably couldn’t achieve
    that well we could achieve that now it’s
    a matter of choice it’s political choice
    I don’t think we will but we do need a
    substantial increase and then how it’s
    spent on the people on the
    infrastructure on on how we procure our
    weapon systems all needs a sort top
    totoe refresh and that needs to be done
    very very quickly Tom thank you for
    joining us our viewers and listeners at
    home we’ll be very interested to hear
    your views on that still with me in the
    studio is political journalist Zoe
    gromwell and former labor special
    advisor Chand kidu Zoe um I don’t think
    Tom’s right there and I’ll tell you why
    because in my time of government 14
    years Strategic Defense reviews are
    always an excuse for governments
    particularly the treasury to delay
    spending money and I heard Ben Wallace
    interviewed on times radio just a couple
    of days ago and what he pointed out is
    if we do get a labor government and
    opinion polls would point at that uh
    even a quick Strategic Defense review
    would take a year to 18 months more
    likely two years and at that point the
    treasury would have set the fiscal
    spending rules for the entirety of the
    next Parliament do you think that that
    the labor are going to proceed down that
    road and if so do we stand any hope of
    reaching that two and a half% by 2030
    well labor have said that they are
    broadly committed to two and a half
    percent when uh times and costs allow
    and this is the kind of inevitable sort
    of um caution you would see you would
    imagine from Rachel Reeves and the
    treasury and and sorry the the shadow
    treasury team
    because they just don’t know the state
    of the books in opposition and I think
    that’s I know that’s an issu the books
    are published every single fiscal event
    in fact in some cases twice a year so
    this excuse we don’t know what’s in the
    books I’m sorry it’s nonsense they may
    not want to tell us what they’re going
    to do if they get into government the
    idea that they haven’t seen the figures
    is for the birds it is open source it is
    publicly available that simply is untrue
    well there’s there’s two things first of
    all there are other things you don’t
    know until you get into government about
    you know certain inefficiencies the way
    the civil service is working areas that
    you know might not have been the the
    current government might not prioritize
    but you want to I mean all of that is
    you know you can only see that when
    you’re in government the other thing is
    that there are you know the ifs and the
    OB had on that again because that’s not
    true either is it because they’re
    already having discussions with the
    civil service now they are yes yeah so
    so the idea that they don’t know this
    sorry it’s just misleading people that’s
    what the labor party they they are they
    are not being straight with people okay
    yes what but they’ve only just started
    engaging in Civil Service talks and
    that’s when you start building up your
    knowledge of that beforehand you don’t
    have that amount of knowledge I agree
    they’ll they’ll have more and more as
    they go on they need it for their
    Manifesto they need it for their
    planning um and so you’ll imagine them
    to start building policy now so yes I
    agree with you there um but back to the
    original point I mean I
    think the problem with this this is some
    of these you see this set out in the
    inefficiencies of the treasury and how
    um government spending works as you say
    integrated reviews they take a long time
    to build they involve a lot of detailed
    planning but then you have the treasury
    which is quite shortsighted having to
    think about where it’s putting its
    funding all the time so this is
    something that is definitely as defense
    creeps up the list of priorities not
    only for the public but for the
    politicians too I think you are going to
    get a tension that labor will have to
    deal with which is how do they keep up
    with the pace of spending that’s
    necessary because the truth is and this
    was made really clear by the defense
    seor and the prime minister at the time
    is global threats don’t wait for Britain
    to be ready to set a defense budget I I
    just think it’s such an interesting
    subject and I think as we get nearer to
    the election my friends it will be one
    we are talking about more and more but
    some of you are still getting in touch
    on 0344 499 1000 specifically on this
    point about whether the Rwanda bill is
    going to work let’s talk to John in
    Burnley just down the road from where I
    live John thank you for calling into the
    show how’s Burnley doing it’s uh
    surprising or not it’s quite Sunny uh ja
    I’m actually shocked it’s not raining
    John are completely unrelated to your
    call but I was having a drink last night
    in central London I went to a restaurant
    had a Benny and hot water they had no
    idea what it was but there’s no person
    from Burnley who would phone this show
    and not know what a Benny and hot water
    is is there anyway let’s talk about
    Rwanda um how’s it do you think this
    news coming out of Ireland that they’re
    concerned about the effect this bill is
    already having shows that it’s working
    or do you think it’s got no hope of
    changing things it’s right I just want
    to say J right when these people keep
    saying this is not going to work
    Australia did it overnight he did it on
    one night I’ve seen it with my own eyes
    I see what they were doing they were
    going out with the bats they were
    dragging them back and it worked so when
    people keep saying it’s not going to
    work we have to be in EU for it to work
    Australia is not in EU they’re not being
    ruled by unelected bureaucrats from
    France and Germany it works you just
    don’t want it to work come on John
    that’s what we need a bit of Burnley
    East laner Common Sense on this show
    I’ve got an ally found in amazing let me
    ask you this do you think there’s a lot
    of people who don’t want it to work in
    this country absolutely yeah just all it
    boils down to ja this is we’ve just got
    weak absolute
    weak spineless backless backbone
    politicians who just can’t get anything
    done because they just they just haven’t
    got the you know the honies to do it
    that’s all it boils down to we need an
    Australian government to come over here
    kick the conservatives out and show them
    how it’s done it happens hold on there
    we we were in agreement till to that
    point as it happens the person did this
    for Australia is now advising the
    conservative government which is why
    they’ve gone down this route John I
    would have you on for the rest of the
    show but I have got the people in my ear
    telling me that I’ve got to go straight
    to break so make sure you call in again
    it is great to hear from friends in East
    Lancashire coming up after the break
    more children in England are drinking
    alcohol than anywhere else in the world
    we’re going to talk about that straight
    after this break
    hey very good morning to you thanks for
    joining us you’re with talk TV on TV on
    radio online and we’re on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB an EV
    it me old chin but a new report is
    calling for a new definition of cotney
    all right Jeremy me old
    China treat go when JK Rowling says
    let’s just be honest it’s all she’s
    saying let’s just be honest when a man
    goes out and kills we should talk about
    them as what they are a biological man
    transwoman not a woman woman is a man
    lee would have to go much further than
    his statement I mean he did say that he
    spoke clumsily and he understood the
    prime minister’s position but I think
    he’d need to say that he got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from P city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed
    an email just saying um that yeah I’m
    going to be getting a badge right quite
    right too it’s that time again to get
    the violins out that’s right Prince
    Harry has lost his biid for UK security
    after moaning he’d been singled
    out might as well be discussing an
    invasion of darx for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my8 pound
    noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
    I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
    probably know what are you doing I’m
    just about to do it oh it’s carry on
    what just happened were
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know it’s I know what’s coming
    and I can’t stop laughing so he
    suggested Alternatives there’s a sweet
    potato that’s quite small statue then
    wasn’t there also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker you don’t really need
    one of those in choga square you just
    got a walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything uh was just unlucky getting
    that question with an ice cream or is it
    a sign of something more seemed like he
    was on a late night show to attract a
    young demographic and U they put him in
    an ice cream store I read the St this
    morning from the family and if any
    police officer reads that statement if
    you don’t cry for what you read from
    what the family is saying is
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry like a
    feminist fa supposed to another she was
    22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
    that don’t hon back on something you did
    that was wrong to TV it’s the only place
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    welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
    and you’re with talk TV and if I just
    reach into my pocket here I can pull out
    a matchbox and find the smallest violin
    in the world that I can play for the
    Republic of irland who are apparently
    complaining because the Rwanda policy
    that became law only this week is making
    people leave Northern Ireland and go to
    the Republic I say that’s proof that
    this policy is a big dis incentive and
    will work but what I say may be
    completely wrong in fact it often is and
    that’s why we want to hear from you at
    home 0344 499 1,000 make sure you get in
    touch with this really interesting point
    we’ve got today another thing which I um
    really fascinated by is you think with
    the Euros approaching this year what is
    England actually good at well apparently
    we’re not very good at football rugby or
    Cricket but we have topped a global
    league and that is for young people
    people drinking alcohol and also
    particularly for young women vaping now
    you may say that isn’t a league that any
    of us should be proud of being top of
    and I guess that you’re probably right
    but that’s why I’m joined by Molly
    Kingsley who is co-founder of us for
    them which campaigns on behalf of
    children to keep them safe from just
    these types of perils now Molly all
    joking aside this isn’t good news for
    Britain is
    it no it’s not good news um and you know
    I think we know that alcohol has a huge
    impact on the NHS so the direct cost of
    alcohol related health issues in this
    country is 3.5 billion but the indirect
    costs in terms of crime loss
    productivity all that kind of thing have
    been estimated you know close to 30
    billion so it is a serious problem and
    of course at an individual um child
    level it speaks to a generation who um
    perhaps are struggling with mental
    health who are not happy all of that
    said I do think we need to be a little
    bit careful about decrying you know
    Calamity in these figures because
    actually if you look at some of the
    detail here you know really what this
    very big World Health Organization
    report is saying is that you know by age
    11 one in three kids have tried a drink
    now that in itself is not alarming I
    think the figures get worse and a bit
    more alarming when you look at
    drunkenness figures so how many children
    are drinking regularly but the
    percentage of children and adolescents
    drinking regularly are much lower than
    that 30% so when I was growing up it was
    sort of standard advice to parents put
    you know introduce your children to
    alcohol have a sip of your father’s beer
    at quite a young age to try and
    normalize alcohol to take away the
    mistique to try and Tackle things like
    drunkenness it was often labeled as the
    approach that the French would take to
    alcohol I’m not sure that’s actually
    correct um what is the right advice to
    parents in terms of trying to ensure
    that they keep our children safe and
    model
    a little bit of a back a little bit of a
    backpedaling on that if you look at what
    the World Health Organization and other
    you know alcohol groups are saying is
    perhaps don’t give your children you
    know drinks at a very young age but you
    know ultimately it’s parental Choice
    isn’t it and alcohol is a product that’s
    around in the real world and at some
    point kids are going to come into
    contact with it and you know personally
    for my own kids I would rather they
    first came into contact with it perhaps
    a bit younger in the safety of the home
    under parental supervision I don’t see
    anything wrong with that I will probably
    be told off for saying that I think you
    know the comments that have and the kind
    of hyperbole that have attached to this
    report are quite interesting so you know
    we had the World Health
    Organization um saying you know
    adolescent need to be protected against
    the effects of toxic and addictive
    products now that is certainly true but
    I’m sure we can think of many more
    products that arguably are more toxic
    and more addictive for children or the
    majority of children than alcohol so you
    know smartphones obviously a big debate
    going on there at the moment what about
    junk food you know junk food is
    disastrous for
    child don’t I hope richy soon ACD he’s
    already he’ll be on this I tell you he’s
    Banning tobacco for all young people
    apparently you’ll never be intelligent
    enough to decide whether you want to
    enjoy a puffer or uh some form of
    tobacco product he’s Banning that the
    labor party have already said that if
    they get into government they’re going
    to ban junk food advertising targeted
    specifically young people they’ll be on
    the they’ll be on Al Le I was just said
    to our caller just before the break
    Benedictine and hot water one of my
    favorite drinks a Benny and hot it’s
    good it’s a good hot toddy it looks
    after you got a C what is wrong with a
    drop of alcohol in moderation surely we
    should be encouraging that yeah look for
    adults absolutely absolutely I think you
    know you can be and I class myself as
    someone who you know is libertarian
    probably by Nature I think it is very
    different equation for children so I
    have no issue actually and in fact I’m
    very supportive of State in intervention
    to protect children um you know as long
    as it is shown to work it is sensible
    and it’s needed you know I think they’re
    very many examples where actually it’s
    not needed and where information
    different though is that is different
    than Banning people forever so I have no
    problem with children not being able to
    smoke for example I gave a speech in
    Parliament last week about it what I do
    believe is freedom if you believe in
    Freedom it is the freedom to make bad
    decisions as well as good decisions
    let’s pick up on something else in this
    which I think is worrying particularly
    for young girls in this country this
    huge increase that we’ve seen again
    we’re a global leader in it not sort of
    a league that we may want to top of
    young girls vaping now what do you
    think’s driving
    that yeah I would say it’s interesting
    you picked that up Jake because when I
    read this report I thought that was
    actually potentially the more alarming
    part of it um what is driving it I mean
    you know again this the headlines have
    attributed this to lockdown now you know
    I will be as quick and Keen as anyone to
    call out the harms of lockdown but I
    think we have to be a bit careful
    because really what we have seen over
    the last I mean probably 15 or more
    years is real underinvestment in
    children’s services in Youth Services in
    play areas for kids so you know at a
    time we are making the quality of our
    children’s lives worse I don’t think we
    should be surprised that they turn to
    cigarettes and well I guess it won’t
    cigarettes but Vapes to fill of void and
    of course you know the the Vapes and
    this government were warned about this
    you ban cigarettes and what comes to
    fill that whole well VES well look they
    were warned not least by me in
    Parliament last week look it’s privilege
    to share talk TV with a fellow
    libertarian thank you so much for coming
    on and talking to us about it i’ I’ve
    absolutely loved hearing from you so
    thank you um let me turn to my panel now
    still with me are Stella and zo I feel a
    bit guilty Stella because I didn’t give
    you the opportunity to get just back at
    me before the break so let’s start on
    this um do you have real con concerns
    about the uh amount of alcohol that
    Anglo-Saxons uh you know put in their
    system I do I do and I’ve always had
    because the problem in the UK is that
    you have a beans drinking culture and
    you you you have really normalized
    abusing alcohol so you can’t really
    compare the tactics that the parent in
    France or in Greece takes where they
    will give I had the same thing when I
    was growing up my dad the first the
    first glass of wine I had was given to
    me by my father how old were you um I
    was like 16 15 15 was that was that
    really the first drink yeah it was
    actually I was a big nerd I was very
    lame in high school and yeah sorry I
    didn’t I didn’t I wasn’t really first
    drink at 16 I wasn’t much F when was
    your first I’m afraid I’m going to prove
    Stella’s Point probably had my first
    drink when I was really quite young I
    mean my parents were you know they would
    let me try a sip of their wine or try
    sip of their beer when I was quite young
    and I’ve actually I would say I have a
    pretty healthy relationship with alcohol
    I don’t you know I do enjoy drink I
    enjoy going out with my friends but I’ve
    never had one of those terrible you know
    blackout drunk situations and I do
    believe that’s because my parents have
    always trusted me with alcohol but this
    was the advice wasn’t it this was the
    advice to parents I WR three kids was
    introduce your children in a controlled
    way at home like your parents did like
    Stella’s parents did as well at the age
    of 16 to sort of normalize take a bit of
    the glamour away from alcohol is it’s
    something social you do with your
    friends it’s not about getting full down
    drunk although I wish I could say I’d
    never blacked out but I can’t but the
    difference between what you do here in
    the UK and what they do in other
    countries is that in France or in Greece
    for example you will drink with your
    food you will have a meal alongside your
    drink you will not you will not down a
    you these you know that there there are
    very few places in Greece where you can
    find like a full Pint They Don’t Really
    Greek people don’t really buy a full
    Pint when they will have like a smaller
    one that would be one drink Greeks the
    half pints of Europe well you know I
    don’t know what your viewers about this
    but it is nice occasionally to see
    Britain topping the tables even though
    if people think it’s not for the right
    reasons but in a way kind of makes you
    proud to be British so when I go to the
    pub later on tonight up in Rosendale I
    will be raising a glass to this news
    although kids stick off the booze uh I’m
    going to see you coming up in the next
    hour hey very good morning to you thanks
    for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
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    now you ain’t going to AB an eve it me
    old chinina but a new report is calling
    for a new definition of cotne all right
    Jeremy me old China o
    Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
    be honest when a man goes out and kills
    we should talk about them as what they
    are a biological man transwoman not a
    woman transwoman is a m Lee would have
    to go much further than his statement I
    mean he did say spoke clumsily and he
    understood the prime minister’s position
    but I think he’d need to say that he’
    got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
    quite right too quite right too it’s
    that time again to get the violins out
    that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
    bid for UK security after moaning he’d
    been singled out
    you might as well be discussing an
    invasion of DARS for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my 8 pound
    noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
    I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
    probably know what are you doing I just
    about to do it oh it’s carry on what
    just
    happened
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry
    I know what’s I know what’s coming and I
    can’t stop laughing so he suggested
    Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
    that’s quite small statue then wasn’t
    there also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker you don’t really need
    one of those in chaga Square he just got
    to walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything uh was he just unlucky
    getting that question with an ice cream
    or is it a sign of something more seemed
    like he was on a late night show to
    attract a young demographic and U they
    put him in an ice cream store I read the
    statement this morning from the family
    and if any police officer reads that
    statement if you don’t cry for what you
    read from what the family is saying is
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry I think the
    feminist did fa supped to another ER she
    was 22 we’re supposed to have moved on
    from that don’t hon back on something
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    shunka good afternoon two men have been
    charged with immigration offenses after
    after the deaths of five people
    including a child in the English Channel
    on Tuesday the 22-year-olds from Sudan
    and South Sudan are due in court today
    the Scottish first Minister’s political
    career hangs in the balance as the
    greens are set to back a no confidence
    Motion in Hamza usf’s leadership he’s
    cancelled a speech he was due to give at
    SL trth University on Independence well
    as of yesterday the greens are no longer
    government Coalition partners with the
    SNP political correspondent for the
    Times John boothman told us he thinks
    his days are numbered there’s not many
    people even in the SNP predicting that
    even if he gets through all that that
    he’s going to last beyond the general
    election where everybody is expecting
    the SNP to go
    backwards several Hollywood stars have
    responded to a court overt turning
    Harvey Weinstein’s 2020 rape conviction
    the actress mea svino says she’s
    disgusted while Ashley Jud has labeled
    it as an act of instit tional betrayal
    well it means there’ll be a new trial in
    the landmark me to case after a ruling
    said he was tried on past behavior and
    not solely on the crimes he was charged
    with founder of the me too movement Tana
    Burke says the legal system has let them
    down I’m disappointed I’m angry I’m sad
    because no matter what work we do they
    still keep getting it wrong so we can’t
    do this by ourselves they have to join
    us in this fight if they say if they
    believe what they say
    you all said this if you believe what
    you say and do the work show up and show
    andove these are the moments when you
    can do it and when the moments come to
    do it they fail us a 13-year-old girl
    has been charged with three counts of
    attempted murder and will appear in
    court today after two teachers and a
    pupil were stabbed at a school in
    Southwest Wales the teenager was
    arrested at the scene in Ammon for those
    who were stabbed have since been
    released from
    hospital and a trial of the world first
    personalized vaccine against the
    deadliest form of skin cancer melanoma
    is now underway in the UK it works by
    telling the immune system to hunt down
    the patient specific cancer cells and
    prevent the disease from coming back
    among those taking part is Steve Young a
    music teacher who had a bump on his head
    for around a
    decade I could have just chosen to sit
    back have a scan every 3 months and just
    see what you know see what happen
    and I just felt that you know at least
    by being on a trial I’m actively doing
    something that you
    know is I’m having a fight basically I’m
    I’m I’m having a fight with my with
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    I’m Jake Barry and you’re with talk TV
    and today we are asking you after the
    deputy prime minister of Ireland the
    Republic thereof said that people being
    worried about the threat of being
    deported from Rwanda to Rwanda and let’s
    not forget that went through Parliament
    this week it’s about to become law of
    the land here in the UK that if you come
    to the UK illegally you can be taken
    away put on a plane and sent to Randa
    rather than stay in the UK that the the
    deputy prime minister of Ireland is
    saying well that is already
    causing an influx of migrants from the
    United Kingdom maybe mainly Northern
    Ireland into the Republic of Ireland
    that leads me to ask you isn’t this
    evident surely that this Rwanda policy
    is working almost before it’s even
    become law here in the UK now you may
    think that is completely wrong or you
    may agree with me but whatever you think
    we want to hear from you on 0344 499
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    talktv still with me to run through all
    of the stop to stop top stories is
    political journalist zo gomal and former
    labor advisor Stella chander kiddu
    thanks for staying with us um so people
    are this issue of whether Rwanda it
    divides opinion I I’m not saying
    everyone agrees with me but there are
    some people who do people are getting in
    touch via text we do the joy of text
    here on Friday on the Jake Berry show
    Stella what’s jumping out from you from
    correspondents yeah so Jake William says
    here that’s not our problem really they
    can deter to any other country in Europe
    it’s not our problem they choose Ireland
    who don’t want a border with the UK
    great Point William so if I extend your
    point what I’m hear you saying is that
    the people who pass through France to
    come to the UK because they’ve picked
    the UK should also be allowed to stay
    here this is The Logical expansion of
    this argument do I have it right Jake
    well I mean I think poor old William
    poor William I think William might be
    right um but I think the point he is
    picking up on is this anger of the
    British people who say Britain is a
    welcoming country we had this discussion
    earlier Britain welcomes we’ve got a
    great history of welcoming migrants and
    and and Asylum Seekers but you know you
    can’t these people coming over on these
    small boats they are jumping the queue
    they are stopping the pregnant woman in
    a war zone coming through a safe and
    legal route because we are dealing with
    these people coming to our country
    illegally it’s a low bar I think I agree
    with William it’s a low bar every
    government should defend its borders Zoe
    I just I I mean you keep reading text
    and then I’ve got to disagree with them
    well I just I just think it’s a really
    um difficult it’s really tough because
    you I just I’m going to go back to the
    point I made I just think if we keep
    passing the buck if we keep saying not
    our problem different countries’s
    problem we’re never actually going to
    get to grip with the root of the problem
    we’re never actually going to stop um
    this kind of problem sweeping the gravee
    where we’re going to see millions of
    people over the next few years trying
    toart their homes trying and leave to
    different countries as as War increases
    as there’s much more kind of Economic
    and environmental turmoil what we really
    need to do is to think much more
    longterm and much more globally about
    how we tackle this crisis but isn’t John
    in Burnley right I think it was John who
    called him from the wisdom of East
    Lancashire called in he said look it
    worked on Australia why would it work in
    Australia not in the UK well I think
    Australia is a different country with a
    different set of problems I mean we have
    a very yeah you’re right Australia is
    definitely different country am I right
    because you know Congo and Rwanda
    they’re quite um now
    now I’m just trying to get this right in
    my head but um yeah I think are you on
    question time next time um Australia’s
    different okay has a different set of
    issues the very particular problem we
    have is that we’re very kind of
    geographically close to France and
    people are making this trip across the
    channel that’s the specific point I’ve
    yet to see evidence that people are
    going to stop coming over on small boats
    that’s the metric by which richy accept
    the success of this policy what we’re
    hearing is people are now
    depart days it’s only just become law
    and surely what this point so people who
    want there are lots of people who want
    this policy to fail right there are lots
    of people who just say I fundamentally
    disagree with the principle I want this
    policy to fail but I understand that’s
    perfectly legitimate view to take one I
    completely disagree with but I
    understand that view point but those of
    us who want this policy to succeed and
    it is designed to try and stop people
    being exploited Ed by these vile people
    traffic GS people losing their life in
    the English Channel this is you know
    those of us who wanted to it to succeed
    could look at this and say look if the
    idea of this is that people will be put
    off being in our United Kingdom because
    they think they might be taken to aanda
    surely this is good news the idea that
    the Irish Deputy Prime Minister is
    saying look we’re already seeing that
    this threat of people being cental
    rander is such a disincentive for
    wanting to be in the United Kingdom
    people are leaving the United Kingdom
    and to Island now you hope that that
    message may be heard in France and
    people will stop making the Journeys in
    the first place surely that’s what the
    prime minister is aiming I I just don’t
    know if that’s going to happen I think
    if I you know these criminal gangs
    they’re still going to be telling people
    you’ve got a really good chance of
    getting to England you can always Lodge
    a legal case they’ve not got it sorted
    in the courts you know you can say all
    these know we’ve still got all those
    things to come all those uh legal and
    logistical hurdles don’t knowe Minister
    we don’t know how many people are going
    to get on those planes we don’t know if
    there were going to be last minute legal
    challeng is we don’t know if rwanda’s
    going to act as a deterrent we really
    really don’t if you’re desperate enough
    to come to the UK and get on a really
    perilous boat um across the SE where you
    know hundreds of people have died why
    would being deported the the threat of
    being part of the 2,000 people being
    deported to Rwanda the the plan the plan
    of the government is to to make it a
    very big scheme I appreciate it’s going
    to start small but look let’s wait and
    see but I say I’m one of those people
    who wants us to succeed and we want to
    hear from you at home actually on 0344
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    1,000 uh if you wanted to succeed or
    maybe you just think it is doomed to
    failure I’m joined Now by John
    McAn former adviser Tony Blair we’re
    sort of slightly moving subject here
    John because you are knowledgeable and
    want to talk to us about this situation
    facing Hamza yussef up in Scotland
    surely is hang hanging but by a thread
    is he going to hold
    on uh not a
    chance uh and the reason uh why he won’t
    be able to hang on uh is there’s one
    voice in the balance one person uh who
    could save him and that is Ash rean who
    he defeated in the leadership election
    who’s an MSP who defected from the uh s
    SMP to Alex Salmon’s party Alba and when
    she
    defected Hamza didn’t say it was a sad
    day well we normally say it’s sad to
    lose colleagues I think you will have
    felt it was sad to lose Lee Anderson I
    think it’s sad when we lose people in
    our parties he crowed and he said that
    she wouldn’t be missed and having given
    her a kick uh through the door when she
    left she is likely to return the favor
    to him because she sent him a letter um
    asking him for assurances before she
    pledges her vote and she’s done um she’s
    um she’s she’s made him an offer he’s
    going to have to
    refuse well I mean I think it probably
    speaks to the fact that ham YF isn’t a
    very good politician the fact that he
    sort of uh thought he was moment of
    optimum political power to end the
    Coalition with the greens people have
    told me that it was going to end anyway
    and then to do that sort of spiteful
    sort of you know goodbye don’t get your
    backside trapped in the door on your way
    out to his former leadership contenders
    they make come back and bite him so if
    he doesn’t survive what is the likely
    outcome going to be do you think the S&P
    will manage to scratch together another
    Coalition of sorts that has the
    confidence of the Scottish Parliament or
    are we heading towards uh national
    elections in
    Scotland that that’s the real question I
    think Hamza um is not just on life
    support uh hums is about to have his
    life support unplugged the question is
    the vote that’s going to be next week uh
    T by the Scottish conservatives is a v
    no confidence in ham USF himself
    technically he doesn’t need to do
    anything as a result of that but I think
    politically he will have to resign the
    S&P will try to find uh another
    candidate for first Minister that will
    cause them problems there are deep
    splits in them between their uh their
    left and their right uh people who
    believe in a more fiscally conservative
    approach to Scotland and people who
    believe you can just splash the cash
    everywhere the problem is if you don’t
    have majority you can’t appoint a first
    Minister if the other parties simply
    oppose what you’re proposing and that
    that is where this thing hangs in the
    balance again which is that um there is
    there are 65 people in total oppos the
    S&P when you counting Ash rean and the
    two greens um who Hamza has pushed out
    there are there are 63 um SNP msps who
    can vote in that situation if all the
    opposition parties decide they want to
    push hard for 28 days all they need to
    do is vote down whoever the S&P put up
    they don’t need to get involved in
    proposing a first Minister because in in
    in Scotland unlike in England if you
    cannot oppose is you canot appoint a
    first Minister the election general
    election automatically happens after 28
    days and I would have thought uh the
    Alex Sam’s party see advantage in a vote
    because it hurts the S SMP at the very
    least and maybe brings them in some
    candidates uh labor definitely because
    they’re riding high in the polls the
    liberal Democrats definitely because um
    they uh they see advantages here the
    greens simply for Revenge um and the
    Scottish conservatives because acting
    against the p is showing it be one of
    the few areas at the moment where the
    government the governing party I should
    say the governing Party conservatives
    can act in a way which actually is
    aligned with a lot of where voters are
    in Scotland I think most most Scottish
    voters are looking at this show and
    looking the say what a shower um it’s
    time for a change and I think that sense
    uh sense that across the country maybe
    it’s time for a general election I think
    that will come out in Scotland in the
    politics so Hamza is is a goner um
    there’s a there’s a really high chance
    of of of an election the only way
    through um is for Hamza to bring back
    his two greens not going to happen um to
    bring in Ash Reagan not going to happen
    or to do a deal with the Scottish
    conservatives and that that doesn’t feel
    like it’s in the interests of uh
    Scotland and I I think we’d be on a
    skiing Holiday In Hell before uh they’re
    together maybe we I don’t know whether
    you’re a ski but maybe we could go to
    aymore uh but uh maybe skiing Holiday In
    Hell before uh the went into Coalition
    with the which probably means it’s about
    to happen because my my my my powers of
    prediction are about as bad as anyone
    else of uh moving away from Scotland to
    a more uh sort of nationally focused
    issue interesting news from the labor
    party yesterday about their plans to
    renationalize rail franchises as of when
    they come up for Renewal uh all polling
    shows is quite popular with the general
    public do you think this will lead to
    improvements in Services uh and will we
    seeing improvements on our rail ra
    because of it um obviously as a loyal
    labor party supporter and strategist I
    would like to believe it would lead to
    improvements um I think the danger in
    the railways is to think that any Simple
    Solution will will create a simple uh
    result the issue with a lot of service
    disruption is the ongoing industrial
    action so labor what is doing is not
    just nationalizing the railways it’s
    nationalizing industrial conflict uh and
    I think unless the labor party can see a
    way in which they can stop the
    industrial action uh where ASF drivers
    are refusing to work overtime uh and
    therefore creating vacancies uh for
    drivers um they’ll they’ll be stuck with
    the same situation you have to deal with
    the industrial issue um I don’t think
    rail staff are particularly underpaid
    drivers almost certainly armed and I
    think you know labor are
    bring to themselves um an industrial
    which the Tory government have been
    unable to resolve and I’m not saying the
    Tories are better or worse at this it’s
    just it’s a really sticky issue because
    to win a strike on the railways you have
    to be willing to close the railways down
    so I think this is a much more Nuance
    piece and I personally uh have been a
    long-term supporter of Railway
    privatization uh I don’t think there is
    an easy solution by national by by by by
    nationalizing again okay well K ster
    said that their plan will end the boom
    and bust in the rail industry made that
    announcement at uh a rail Factory I
    think it was the Tachi Factory in the
    north of England
    how oh look I think the the the argument
    is stability because we’ve we have had
    one thing which I I think everybody has
    to accept um is the railways are have
    been effectively uh run by Department of
    Transport um since the pandemic they
    couldn’t have been run uh without
    support for DFT and the opportunity
    that’s there is I when I talk to railway
    Chief Executives they say there is more
    interference by civil servants ad
    ministers in the railways than there
    even was in the days of British Rail so
    if we’re going to have the franchises
    brought in I would like to see the
    franchise is run uh by by by City region
    Mayors I’d like see Steve Bram running a
    franchise I’d like to see Andy Burnham
    Andy Street as it is now I’d like Ben
    Hoin perhap look I’d like to see the
    city region Mayors running the transport
    Fran I don’t want to see the DFT
    bureaucrats running it if you can take
    out some of that uh that interference
    and have it more responsive to local
    labor markets local democracy then we
    could see a way to to a different way
    because Steve Rod to to give as you has
    sort out Mery rail in a very imaginative
    way got peace with the unions and got a
    decent service running so I can see that
    if you move from we had we had
    privatization we had the pandemic we got
    big subsidies um let’s move to a to to a
    better more passenger oriented one
    there’s some consensus in the um in the
    industry about where to go the Williams
    review uh I was about to I was about to
    pick up the fact that William that was
    suggested by The Williams review part of
    the government strategic rail review the
    labor party has slightly moved away from
    that though because the reason they say
    they want to renationalize these
    franchises is to stop the fragmentation
    of the service which they say is hugely
    inefficient and leads to this Boomer bus
    of course implementation of the Williams
    review would be the ultimate
    fragmentation of it and does pose
    without going too deeply into it some
    challenges for example how you do smart
    ticketing look I think I think the
    tension in the Willams review and
    without getting too nerd nerdy about it
    is you know you do need a guiding mind
    but who is The Guiding mind going to be
    and
    um the challenge is this has all got to
    be located in the context of
    decarbonizing
    uh our transport of which Railway will
    play a key role but buses will play a
    bigger role um and electric vehicles
    will play an even bigger role so it’s
    part of the you know the broader
    Ambitions of labor for 2030 to
    decarbonize energy generation and to hit
    our Net Zero targets so these things are
    complex because they’re interl um and I
    think that’s why I believe there’s no
    simple solution but done the right way
    we could get faster in the right
    direction okay well John you you all
    right is no symbol solu look finally
    we’ve been discussing on the show today
    that uh the deputy prime minister of
    Ireland complaining that the passage of
    the Rwanda Bill through Parliament has
    has seen the number of migrants going
    from Northern Ireland to the Republic of
    Ireland or even from Wales directly to
    the Republic of Ireland go up by 50% he
    blames fear of the Rwanda bill is that
    evidence that it’s working or evidence
    that it’s going to
    fail um so one the Rwanda Bill isn’t
    going to work um uh because getting 150
    people uh to Rwanda he’s not going to be
    deterrent we’ve seen the tragedy this
    week of five people dying drowning as
    they as as they they tried to cross if
    you’re not deterred by death you’re not
    going to be deterred uh by by the remote
    chance of being sent Rwanda I think the
    issue that the Irish uh government are
    signaling is the government in the UK
    has no solution for the fact that since
    March last year um people cannot apply
    for asylum in the UK
    that means um there are tens of
    thousands uh 75,000 now and growing
    people who have arrived in UK uh they’re
    in the UK they cannot apply they cannot
    be told whether they’ve got a legal uh a
    right to stay because that’s been taken
    away from them um they’re in a limbo and
    if you can travel internally in the UK
    as you can and travel internally in the
    common travel area between between here
    and Ireland why wouldn’t go to Ireland
    and it’s the issue that that that your
    panel were discussing which is this is a
    global challenge we do not have much
    pressure on this the most pressure
    pressurized countries with refugees and
    Asylum Seekers uh are in the global
    South we have to play our part in burden
    sharing and we have to play our part the
    right part for for Britain uh which is
    you know Britain’s not a cruel country
    it’s a generous country and the idea
    that the emblem of our migration policy
    our s policy should be one that is
    designed to be so cruel you wouldn’t
    want to come here um that’s shameful for
    Britain it’s shameful for for our nation
    and it should really be shameful for the
    government we’re a greater bigger
    country than that John thank you so much
    for joining us that’s John murn former
    advisor to Tony Blair still with me is
    Stella chandidu and Zer Grim Stella um
    is the government cruel you think that’s
    a fair analysis I think they are I think
    they are cruel and I think that they are
    using the misery of human beings uh to
    bolster their own electoral agenda I
    don’t want to speak personally I don’t
    want to use such characterizations but I
    think that the policy is completely
    inhumane and anyone who’s seeing it from
    across the world is thinking wait a
    minute I thought that I thought the UK
    was a country to look up to in terms of
    how much they respect human rights they
    respect human life how civilized and
    open-minded they are in fact there is
    data that shows that the UK is one of
    the best places where immigrants
    assimilate the most it is a great
    success story how well immigrants in the
    UK are doing especially after the first
    or second generation and I think that it
    is such a shame that we are playing that
    down because it speaks some of the best
    values of British people how well
    immigrants are assimilating here well
    you know I just I I just can’t
    reflecting that I I think that’s a very
    London view so if you I mean London is
    one of the most Cosmopolitan cities in
    the world it’s certainly much more
    Cosmopolitan than many of the parts of
    the United Kingdom if you know I think
    the government is reacting to a
    legitimate concern of of a lot of its
    citizens and you know most people in
    this country do not live in cities most
    people live outside cities I mean we do
    have lots of big cities but the majority
    you know we heard from our caller there
    from Burnley he thinks this is
    completely the right thing for the
    government to do um but I just wonder
    whether people involved in politics just
    don’t have the the right sort of uh you
    know the the the right the right sort of
    instincts on this I think the government
    isn’t it because you’re saying that you
    know people outside this is a very
    London centered view and you you said
    that you know there are more immigrants
    obviously in London London is a very
    Cosmopolitan City so very often the
    voters who will be the most concerned
    about immigrants will be the ones who
    don’t actually have to live with them
    they will be the ones who have the least
    immigrants in their communities who will
    be the most H worried about them and
    Afraid and I think this is because they
    don’t live next to them they don’t have
    this I disagree with you I think why
    people are concerned about immigration
    to this country because
    they legal migration than legal
    migration which is at a much bigger
    scale is actually if we’re creating the
    a city the size of Birmingham every
    single every 18 months and you know of
    people coming to the UK you look at burm
    it’s got 14 hospitals primary care
    hospitals it’s got a th000 GPS it’s got
    400 secondary schools nearly 600 primary
    schools no government no matter what
    party is no government is building
    hospitals at rate of 14 a year and what
    that means is if we’re not building the
    infrastructure for the The increased
    population of the United Kingdom what it
    actually means is people who already
    live here wherever they’re from in the
    world cannot access Public Services
    maybe you disagree with me at home but
    that’s why we want you to keep getting
    in touch on 0344 499 1000 keep those
    calls coming in because Irene from Essex
    is our latest Star here on talk TV Irene
    um on this issue of Randa do you think
    that it is beginning to work or do you
    think it’s
    hopeless I don’t think I don’t think
    it’s hopeless I don’t think it
    works um for the immigrants and Asylum
    Seekers who are already here but with um
    something else put in place beforehand I
    think it might have an effect on those
    considering coming across on the boats
    I’ve never understood why we take these
    people in we’re very trusting very
    accepting but we don’t know who the
    people are we don’t know what their
    motives are and without really checking
    they’re allowed to just go and live in
    the hotel and then roam pretty freely
    and it’s all done on trust which is
    often misplaced yeah um for me um for
    the for those that do make it to our
    Shores I think they should be picked up
    immediately kept well away from um
    lawyers the clergy and would be do
    gooders
    um taken immediately to a secure base um
    something perhaps along the lines of
    Camp Bastion stuck on stuck on Salsbury
    plane um surrounded by firing ranges
    that would be secure enough and kept
    there and if they’re found to be
    legitimate Asylum Seekers and can go
    some way to proving their case to
    staying then fine maybe consider those
    bit hard for them to do that AR if
    they’re not allowed to see lawyers
    though isn’t it I mean they do have to
    you know they do have to have their
    their right to make their case once
    they’re here I guess well well maybe but
    I think a lot of the lawyers are in it
    for the wrong reason not necessarily for
    the welfare of uh of the immigrants a
    lot of them are thinker there to make
    money that’s well they certainly do get
    paid by by the taxpayer AR do do so do
    you applaud the government for being so
    tough even just using this very tough
    language on immigration or do you think
    do you think maybe they need to go
    further or soften their
    stance that’s a difficult one I do think
    we couldn’t carry on the way that we
    have been there has to be something that
    brings it to a halt um I’ve never been
    completely INF faor of the ruanda idea
    but if it is going to be there if the
    people sort of contemplating coming know
    know that when they arrive they’re not
    going to be put in comfortable hotels
    give pocket money and allowed to go Here
    There and Everywhere but that their face
    with being detained in a secure compound
    until such time is their case all and
    that’s what so many of our viewers
    listeners and callers say is that we we
    had this a few weeks ago on the show is
    is Britain a soft touch and sounds from
    what you say that you you may think we
    are a bit of a soft touch Irene thank
    you very much for calling into the show
    coming up after the break we’re going to
    be talking about tourism fees being
    introduced in Venice I’m Jake Barry and
    you’re with talk
    TV hey very good morning to you thanks
    for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
    on radio online and we’re on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB and
    Eve it me old chin but a new report is
    calling for a new definition of cot name
    all right Jeremy me old China o o
    Tre when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
    be honest when a man goes out and kills
    we should talk about them as what they
    are a biological man transwoman not a
    woman transwoman is a man lee would have
    to go much further than his statement I
    mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
    and he understood the prime minister’s
    position but I think he’d need to say
    that he’ got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from P City councel lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m I’m going to be getting a budge
    quite right too quite right too it’s
    that time again to get the violins out
    that’s right Prince Harry has lost his
    bid for UK security after moaning he’d
    been singled
    out May might as well will be discussing
    an invasion of darx for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my8 pound
    noia reluctantly Kicking and Screaming
    I’m a huge hit on Instagram as you
    probably know what are you doing I’m
    just about to do it oh o it’s carry on
    what just
    happened
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr KH
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know it’s I know it’s coming and
    I can’t stop laughing so he suggested
    Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
    that’s quite small statue then was it
    they’re also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker need one of those in
    chaga Square you just got to walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything uh was he just unlucky
    getting that question with an ice cream
    or is it a sign of something more seemed
    like he was on a late night show to
    attract a young demographic and um they
    put him in an ice cream store I read the
    statement this morning from the family
    and if any police officer reads that
    statement if you don’t cry for what you
    read from what the family is saying it’s
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry like a
    feminist fa supposed to another she was
    22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
    that don’t honk back on something you
    did that was wrong to TV it’s the only
    place where you get the truth
    welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
    and you’re with talk TV and we want to
    hear from you today is the government’s
    rander policy going to work let us know
    0344 499
    1,000 and moving from Rwanda to another
    holiday destiny ation Venice in fact
    where I had my second honeymoon a
    fantastic City but if I went there now
    I’m going to have to pay a day to even
    get through the gate this is new and
    people in Italy aren’t very happy about
    it joining me now is travel correspond
    independent Simon CER who I think is in
    Italy Northern Italy was in Venice
    yesterday I believe um there was Major
    protest yesterday wasn’t there people
    were calling it Venice land like
    Disneyland there certainly were Jake I
    was actually the very first person to go
    across through the checkpoint with my
    five EUR pass I’d applied as I was told
    to do online in advance to get the
    permit anybody going in today for the
    next nine days as well and then all the
    busy weekends up until the 14th of July
    has to have that permit or you can just
    turn up with a 5e note and hand it over
    and they’ll let you in and then you’re
    staying actually in a hotel and I dare
    say on your honeymoon you were in a
    hotel in Venice in which case you’re
    already paying a big city tax so
    therefore they’re not going to charge
    you any more money very controversial on
    all sorts of levels so for example what
    about people who have limited means are
    you going to deprive them of one of the
    Great accomplishments of creativity one
    of the great cultural hubs of the world
    and I’m talking to the chap who brought
    it in the deputy Simone borini he said
    look they can always turn up on another
    day that’s what the whole idea is but
    very controversial and I met a whole
    bunch of people last night from Grimsby
    who were just going in who were I’m
    sorry to say this possibly coming up
    with a a clever way of pretending they
    were staying at the hotel at a hotel but
    they weren’t do not do that it’s against
    the rules and you can’t get a 500 fine
    there we are the Ingenuity of the
    British people makes me proud to be
    British s come on Grimsby we’re with you
    but look a couple of things on on this
    so it’s particularly designed bizarrely
    to discourage Italians from going isn’t
    he because the Italians love visiting
    Venice a fantastic City I don’t see why
    they they shouldn’t do within their own
    country but it is an aim to try and get
    particularly Italian visitors not to
    come at the busiest times that is the
    stated aim of the charge is it not yeah
    it is it’s it’s been really badly um
    reported around the world um as you know
    they don’t want T tourists there they
    know that if you’re spending 500 EUR or
    450s on a trip to Venice then frankly
    you’re not going to make a fuss about
    the odd you know 1% however if you are
    coming in because you happen to live in
    lovely bologna or triest or Milan and
    you want to come in for the day which
    loads of Italians do because it’s
    beautiful and it’s near so why wouldn’t
    they it’s bit like us you know if you
    live in Manchester going to want to go
    to York because it’s gorgeous um if you
    live in Birmingham you might want to go
    to b or to Stratford or to Chester or
    exactly the same thing so talking to my
    new friend Simone he says yeah here’s
    what we’re trying to do it’s just to say
    to those people you know five five euros
    will make a bit of difference to your
    trip so why don’t you come a different
    weekend um or or ideally a wet Wednesday
    in November when nobody else is here and
    we’ll be delighted to accommodate you
    you’ll have a better experience so will
    the locals and so will all the other
    tourists who are just coming here in
    July and August because they do because
    that’s because they’re tourists the
    introduction of this charge Simon has
    been linked to Venice potentially being
    put on the Red List uh uh by the world
    heritage
    organization uh H how how is this money
    going to be spent is it all going to be
    spent on defending the heritage of
    Venice or is it going to be spent in
    other
    ways it’s mostly going to be spent from
    what I could see on the hundreds of
    student who are enforcing it you come
    out of Santa Luchia station which is the
    main entrance point the railway station
    going across the corway to Venice and
    there’s a line of probably 20 people hi
    his jackets checking your papers
    collecting your five EUR having a look
    at your phone to make sure you got the
    right code actually an awful lot of
    people proving that they were born in
    Venice or they worked there or whatever
    and so there’s high cost there but
    actually talking to the deputy mayor he
    says we don’t want to make any money the
    less money that we make the happier I
    will be because it means that it’s
    acting as a deterrent people are staying
    away rather than just thinking well I’ll
    pay that I’m going to be coming in so uh
    yeah that it’s not a moneymaking thing
    but exactly as you say Jake UNESCO the
    world heritage organization said you
    hang on Venice you’ve got to smarten up
    here they have successfully banned
    cruise ships which used to park you know
    just a couple of hundred meters from St
    Mark Square so you’d have this massive
    ship and 6,000 people getting off it um
    next to one of the most beautiful places
    in the world so they now sort of go f
    around the corner um and and they have
    to get busted in um but ultimately it is
    a really serious challenge what do you
    do with somewhere which is so beautiful
    and so alluring so magnetic to so many
    people and they can do this because
    benice unlike other places you know for
    instance York um
    there’s aund different ways into the
    beautiful city center whereas with
    Venice there’s only a very few finite
    number of ways you can get into Venice
    uh mostly on the railway some on the
    buses um on the road link and then a few
    Ferry services so it’s relatively easy
    to police but um interesting people have
    had enough of tourists like me I’m
    afraid Simon thank you so much I hope
    you enjoyed your trip to Venice with
    your 5os ready thanks Simon still with
    me is Zer and Stella Zer a bit of a fan
    of Venice I’ve I’ve been to Venice a
    couple of times so I guess I’m part of
    the problem I have to say I went uh in
    summer and it was so busy it was
    absolutely heaving um but then I went
    back in winter in January and it was
    just beautiful and it was quiet every it
    was just had a totally different
    atmosphere and I think this is quite
    important I think a lot of people like
    to visit Venice in the summer cze of
    summer holidays they can get there when
    it’s nice and hot actually there’s so
    much charm to this place at other times
    of the year and if if they can do some
    kind of traffic a bit in the winter
    though doesn’t it the W government has
    proposed to introducing said they’d come
    forward proposals to introduce a tourism
    tax in Wales this year we haven’t heard
    anything from them yet do you think
    that’s going to put people off the
    tourism in the there are other towns
    like I think York is actually another
    place that is proposing it do you think
    that’s going to put people off for
    stationing in the United Kingdom I guess
    the point is it makes people think twice
    and it will hopefully manage some of
    those influxes of crowds particular busy
    times I mean I think the thing about
    Wales is I think Wales will always be an
    attractive destination because compared
    to other places in the UK like Cornwall
    for example it’s relatively cheap um and
    you know it’s much closer to the north
    of England than it is easier to get to
    yes was a very long way Stella um are
    you going to be rushing forward with
    your five euros in your hand to uh you
    know stand in Venice and drink an
    overpriced coffee on St Mark Square H I
    hate I hate how much more expensive they
    are than Greece I think that it’s a
    beautiful place but I think that they
    right in what they’re doing because what
    they what they’re saying makes sense if
    you go to Venice until about 6:00 in the
    afternoon I think or something like that
    it’s completely F full with tourists you
    cannot even walk through which makes it
    a hell to live there and honestly it is
    going eventually this place it is going
    to lose a lot of its beauty if we allow
    people to to go there in such large
    numbers it should only be for rich
    people then no it shouldn’t be but I do
    think that because of social media
    because of Instagram everyone is is is
    is looking what what what what beautiful
    photos all these influencers I agree
    with you I agree with you there should
    be there should be there should be some
    kind of rule where you should be able to
    access this place eventually or there
    should be some days that are you know
    only only available for well that that’s
    what they that’s what they do so it’s
    not every single day of the year I’ve
    been to Venice Twice first time fell in
    the canal uh didn’t go well for me
    second time on my honeymoon too it
    wasn’t that bad that time anyway some of
    you have been getting in touch on 03444
    n9100 keep those calls coming in let’s
    go to Michael from Wales who wants to
    talk about the rationalization of the
    alwayss Michael thank you so much for
    calling into to the show hello Jay how
    are you I’m very well good I think
    you’re one of the few that I’ve not
    spoken to okay well it’s my last day
    today so thank goodness you got over the
    line right ariva trains Wales is
    effectively already nationalized is it a
    good service no h and it is I tell you
    what Jake I used to work on the railway
    for 15
    years I worked before it was National it
    was privatized and then after it was
    prived
    sied and no
    comparison well it was a lot better it
    was a lot better it was a lot better for
    the staff I mean it was just overnight
    it was just the end of dirty scruffy
    uniforms we used to get uni I worked um
    on
    catering and H it was you know new
    uniforms it was uh you worked towards
    something I used I I I actually after it
    was privatized work myself but from a
    humble steward
    to the top man in Padington station
    catering wise I I was made up to a a p
    on a first class Pullman wow was
    the all Welsh
    ministers so you think I was just
    interested because you got direct
    experience so you think the franchise
    privatization which run by aanti on the
    west coast Mainline various others gwr
    various other ones has been a success
    look because you live in Wales um what
    what’s reliability like on on Welsh
    Welsh Railways I’m pretty sure it’s yeah
    it’s it’s quite good actually J you know
    yeah you know no complaints early and
    stuff
    um it it’s just I I think if there was
    renationalized there is no incentive to
    do your job properly you know and they
    was always on strike and I think it’s
    the youer younger generation now who
    going oh yeah you know nationalize them
    they don’t remember what it was like
    before yeah quite quite completely agree
    with you Michael thank you so much for
    calling into the show I’m glad you got
    me on my last day coming up we’re going
    to be talking about a a problem
    apparently 14 million Brits have an
    undiagnosed sleep disorder well maybe
    you’re one of them I’m Jake Barry this
    is talk
    TV hey very good morning to you thanks
    for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
    on radio online and we’re on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
    eve it me old chin but a new report is
    calling for a new definition of cotney
    all right Jeremy me old China o go when
    JK Rowling says let’s just be honest
    it’s all she’s saying let’s just be
    honest when a man goes out and kills we
    should talk about them as what they are
    a biological man transwoman is not a
    woman transwoman is a man lee would have
    to go much further than his statement I
    mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
    and understood the prime minister’s
    position but I think he’d need to say
    that he got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ I justed
    an email just saying um that yeah I’m
    going to be getting a badge right too
    quite right too it’s that time again to
    get the violins out that’s right Prince
    Harry has lost his bid for UK security
    after moaning he’d been singled out
    might as well be discussing an invasion
    of DARS for all I really get this but
    but but I am now on social media having
    been dragged off my 8 pound noia
    reluctantly Kicking and Screaming I’m a
    huge hit on Instagram as you probably
    know what are you doing I’m just about
    to do it oh it’s carry on what just
    happened
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put statue
    of the queen on the fourth PL Mr khah
    apparently wasn’t too keen on that I’m
    sorry I know I know it’s coming and I
    can’t stop laughing so he suggested
    Alternatives there’s a sweet potato
    that’s quite small statue then wasn’t
    there also a
    prostitute a
    trans sex worker you don’t really need
    one of those in choga square he just got
    to walk up to
    soos Why do you know this because I know
    everything uh was he just unlucky
    getting that question with an ice cream
    or is it a sign of something more seemed
    like he was on a late night show to
    attract a young demograph epic and U
    they put him in an ice cream store I
    read the St this morning from the family
    and if any police officer reads that
    statement if you don’t cry for what you
    read from what the family is saying is
    heartbreaking then you shouldn’t be a
    police officer the UK I’d say had lots
    of racism within it I don’t NE think
    it’s a racist country but it permeates
    our institutions but for her to say come
    out and vote and by the way when I was
    22 years old and I had an affair with a
    married man that I knew was married the
    feminist failed me I’m sorry the
    feminist did fa supped another she was
    22 we’re supposed to have moved on from
    that don’t hon back on something you did
    that was wrong to TV it’s the only place
    where you get the truth
    welcome back to the show I’m Jake Barry
    and you’re with talk TV keep calling us
    on 0344 499 1000 if you want to let us
    know whether you think the government’s
    Randa policy is working or not after
    news that people are pouring in from
    Northern Ireland to the Republic of
    Ireland apparently in fear of being sent
    to Rwanda coming up next here on the
    show we’re talking about extraordinary
    new statistics that show that 14 million
    Britain are unknowingly living with a
    sleep
    disorder I’m joined now for more by
    Healthcare expert thorner goind hello
    good to see you thank you very much for
    coming on the show today um really
    interesting story this oh I I I I’m
    quite an early riser is is that part of
    the problem why are Brits not sleeping
    properly well there’s a multitude of
    reasons why we’re not sleeping properly
    I am actually the opposite and I cannot
    go to sleep and then uh struggle to get
    up in the morning so I know exactly how
    um my fellow Brits are feeling here so
    you have 14 million with an undiagnosed
    um sleep disorder and we know as well
    that there’s
    multifactorial reasons so things like
    alcohol use we know that people are um
    borrowing other people’s medication for
    example sleep medication to help them go
    to sleep we know that people are
    accessing uh sleep medications from
    their Pharmacy uh more often as well and
    the other problem is that um so
    cognitive behavioral therapy is the key
    treatment that should be given by um the
    NHS for this we know it’s really hard to
    access as well um one of the solutions
    that people have suggested is that the
    government should come up with a sleep
    strategy do you think we’d all sleep
    better if the government was telling us
    what to
    do I think there’s lots of strategies
    that the government should uh be coming
    up with but ultimately this is a little
    bit about access to healthc care isn’t
    it if sometimes people um you know one
    in six have a in an in an insomnia
    problem so we know that if we even know
    that they are trying to access care and
    sometimes they G being given medication
    because that’s easier to access than
    some of the as I say the CBT those um
    talking therapies so really I think
    there’s a lot for the government to do
    but it comes as part of the whole
    healthc care strategy
    really and how important is accessing
    decent sleep to people’s functioning
    throughout the day
    well if you think about it just on a on
    a basis of it can really impact how
    you’re able to be productive so if the
    government wants to make us more
    productive actually they maybe should be
    thinking about sleep a little bit more
    we also know your risk of um Strokes of
    cancers and other conditions is
    increased if you aren’t getting your uh
    decent night’s sleep it makes a big
    impact on the skin for example and
    production of um key uh key uh proteins
    in the skin so I think really U we
    should will be looking at getting a
    better night sleep but it is hard um and
    some so some tips for for viewers try
    and make sure you’re trying to go to
    sleep at at the same time each night if
    you are sat there and you’re counting
    sheep don’t be afraid of getting up
    doing a little walk around and then
    trying again nobody wants to sit there
    staring at the ceiling all night um and
    don’t be afraid of asking for help as
    well this is a condition that Healthcare
    professionals are used to having
    conversations about they’re really
    really good tips and we appreciate you
    give them to our viewers what is a
    healthy amount of sleep we often hear
    people talking about as needing a
    minimum of seven hours is that a
    reasonable rule of thumb or or is there
    another amount we should all be
    seeking I think about 7 to9 hours really
    and we heard Margaret thater ran on four
    didn’t we but um while she did live to
    her an old age I can’t say uh that and I
    know all the prime ministers are
    following that same routine is something
    that I would be advocating um and we
    know children or sleep as well so um I
    think it’s also about the quality of
    sleep not just about the number of hours
    so really getting into um that deep
    sleep which is where our body starts to
    really repair some of the things that
    have happened through the day is Key
    Well we we’ve heard read in this report
    about dangerous consequences for people
    having a lack of sleep it’s all very
    it’s quite easy for people to think that
    this isn’t a serious situation and
    people just need to go to bed a bit
    earlier but there are very very serious
    health issues that have been linked to
    this uh sleep deficit what what are the
    main ones that people should be aware
    of to things like smoking sorry things
    like the risk of Strokes the risk of
    cancer I think the other issue is we
    know that people are self-medicated with
    alcohol so there can be other add-ons
    that are risk factors because people are
    trying to deal with their sleep as
    well um and what what would be your top
    tip then for someone who really is
    struggling with this uh what What’s the
    top tip that our viewers should take
    away with them if they do have concern
    that they are one of those 14 million
    undiagnosed people here in the United
    Kingdom the biggest thing you can do to
    help your healthc care professional is
    to keep a sleep diary so thinking about
    and maybe what time you went to sleep
    and what time you’re waking up and the
    quality of sleep that means that when
    you can then go and access a healthc
    care professional and you shouldn’t be
    afraid of doing that you can provide
    some really helpful insight so they can
    help you with your treatment fantastic
    well thank you so much for joining us
    here on the show to diso discuss such an
    important and unknown issue about
    Britain’s healthc Care thank you very
    much Stella and Zoe are still with me
    really interesting Insight I thought
    there um Stella this idea of a sleep
    diary not something I ever would have
    thought about quite a clever way of
    trying to track the the fact that you
    are getting enough sleep a lot isn’t it
    yeah I mean a lot of people obviously
    will be wearing Apple watches and
    fitbits and things like that so they
    will they will already have an an idea
    of how much they are sleeping or whether
    they’re or you can just ask yourself
    every morning right how how how well
    arrested do I feel but I think there is
    something to be said about not freaking
    out about how much sleep you’re getting
    because this will mean that you get more
    stressed and you sleep less but also I
    think there are some very interesting
    Health insights into how much British
    people sleep because another big problem
    in terms of health in the UK is obesity
    and losing sleep is has been shown to
    increase risk of obesity so I do think
    this is a very interesting angle for the
    government to think about whether they
    should consider tackling people’s uh
    sleep as well as mental health
    implications of course because we know
    that sleeping less is going to
    exacerbate healthy certain mental health
    condition you think so I’ve read in this
    article it says that what one thing the
    government needs to do is have a
    sleeping strategy I mean I you know
    isn’t that part of this culture we live
    in is you something’s going wrong with
    Society what can the government do about
    it I mean I if the government with the
    sleeping strategy number one I wouldn’t
    read it number two even if I did I’d
    ignore it this has got to be about
    better education and access to
    healthcare rather than the government
    telling you how many hours sleep you’re
    going to go I mean I think that it makes
    perfect sense that we would have reports
    and that we would be able to to to gauge
    the the state of the the health of
    people in the UK what I think the
    government should focus on is their main
    priorities need to be you know
    government functions make sure
    government departments work well sure
    the NHS works well yeah rather than
    having rather than like you know I don’t
    don’t think that I don’t think there is
    much the government the alternative
    anything that actually changes people’s
    lives is to say let’s have a strategy
    about isn’t S yeah I think that’s
    absolutely true I mean that the argument
    that you know it could be uh there could
    be a role for the government to
    intervene is the point that the
    healthcare expert made which actually
    does have a knock on impact on
    productivity know the government is you
    know super hot on trying to improve
    productivity trying to get people back
    to work clearly sleep just like any
    other kind of public health issue just
    like mental health they’re all factors
    there but I do tend to agree I think
    really the biggest problem here clearly
    is that people aren’t getting the health
    care that they need because of you know
    NHS backlogs because of problem seeing
    GPS if people have problems with their
    sleep they should go to the doctor I
    think most people do know that I don’t
    think they need to be told not sure they
    do I I don’t think I don’t think I would
    immediately go Trot off to see my Jep I
    guess it would depend how much it’s
    interfering with your health if you were
    really really struggling to sleep you
    couldn’t sleep without self-medication
    you were incredibly stressed it was you
    know having an impact on your mental
    health then you might think about seeing
    a doctor um for example but I absolutely
    think this all kind of goes hand in hand
    it’s a cycle if you’re stressed if
    you’re not accessing Healthcare that’s
    all going to have an impact on your
    sleep as well there you go I I wish you
    all a good night’s sleep don’t don’t let
    it get on top of you sadly we’ve come to
    the end of my last show here on talk TV
    and I wanted to take this opportunity to
    thank every single one of you for
    watching and listening to me over the
    months I have been here on the channel I
    have had a blast and I have loved it but
    none of this could happen without the
    support of a fantastic team so I want to
    take the opportunity to thank Jody Adam
    Mina will Victoria Johnny Lauren Ted
    Alicia Christian and our director Andy
    and every single person who’s been such
    a big part of enabling me to enjoy being
    here on your screens and finally let me
    thank everyone all of the callers you
    are the ones who make it happen here on
    talk TV and next week you don’t need to
    worry cuz Alex Phil will be in this slot
    next is cross talk with JJ and I’m Jake
    Barry and I hope you have a very good
    afternoon thanks very
    much hey very good morning to you thanks
    for joining us you’re with talk TV on TV
    on radio online and on your smart
    speaking now you ain’t going to AB an
    eveve IT me old Chinas but a new report
    is calling for a new definition of cop
    name all right Jeremy me old China o o
    treat go
    when JK Rowling says let’s just be
    honest it’s all she’s saying let’s just
    be honest when a man goes out and kills
    we should talk about them as what they
    are a biological man transwoman is not a
    woman transwoman is a man lee would have
    to go f much further than his statement
    I mean he did say that he spoke clumsily
    and he understood the prime minister’s
    position but I think he’d need to say
    that he got it
    wrong then I had a phone call this
    morning um from PR city council lovely
    woman called Anna and yeah i’ I just
    received an email just saying um that
    yeah I’m going to be getting a badge
    quite right quite right too it’s that
    time again to get the violins out that’s
    right Prince Harry has lost his bid for
    UK security after moaning he’d been
    singled
    out you might as well be discussing an
    invasion of DARS for all I really get
    this but but but I am now on social
    media having been dragged off my eight
    pound noia reluctantly Kicking and
    Screaming I I’m a huge hit on Instagram
    as you probably know what are you doing
    I’m was just about to do it oh it’s
    carry on what just happened were
    missing there was a suggestion by some
    that maybe it would nice to put a statue
    of the queen on the four

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